Waylon James My Gawd.
Just shut the fuck up, Direct Bet. You are embarrassing yourself. Go jack off on Skype or do something else that might help keep your dignity. |
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DirectBet uses many ghost accounts to shill for DirectBet and bash competitors. He was completely banned from this current thread but I let him post to defend himself. DirectBet uses ghost accounts in all polls. If he goes off topic one more time, all posts will be deleted by DirectBet.
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hybershire Yes! I really think you should restart it as a moderated thread so visitors don't need to wade through literally tens of pages of posts from Directbet. |
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@ peepsplace why do you keep deleting directbet.eu posts? Not cool unless you have something to hide.... I was just about to reply to something they posted, but can't find it.
directbet.eu this back and fort between yourself and peepsplace is just diversionary. Why are you finding it difficult returning the stake back to hungerstyle? Is it because of the amount involved? If it were a few cents , would you let it play out this long? It is just plain wrong. Sort this out asap. None of my business but I think you should be called to order. Other users should be made aware that you potentially could arbitrarily confisticate their funds whenever you choose to. The evidence so far points to a potential double spend attempt. But it is not conclusive, you cannot say for sure. You received the funds afterall.You already agreed to pay back the money, how about acting in good faith and doing just that instead of shifting the goal post @ every opportunity?
DirectBet knows the rules of the thread. Posters can say anything. Books must stick to their own book. |
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DirectBet - Please keep your discussion to DirectBet only. As per thread rules, discussion on other books is not allowed and will be deleted as so not to clog up this thread. It's not fair for other books to have to come in to defend themselves.
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i can send emails from that address only cloudbet sees a scrambled address so they have started ignoring me. How is it that i have all the emails they sent me if it is not my email address? How hard is this to understand? i hate to just give up here.
i am no stranger to being screwed over by offshore bookies. i lost $1500 when Betislands went down.
PM sent to Cloudbet. Keep us updated. Thanks |
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Are there anymore Cloudbet issues?
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Today I gave A+ to Directbet because a few days ago they successful running of the competition that the 6th time
Many users participated there and it was very enjoyable, Another reason is so far I have found no problems while playing at their site
Thanks Peeps Place
Thanks for the input. |
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Sometimes attempted double spend show without a person trying to double spend. That's true, but we have developed extensive knowledge, experience and tools that allow us to tell the difference. Here in this incident hungerstyle did it on purpose. There is evidence in the payout address. You may have noticed that for several days now we are asking hungerstyle to post the payout address used for this bet, and he avoided doing it before eventually disappearing. There is a reason why he didn't want to post the payout address for this bet. He knew that once he posts it, it will be clear to all that he is a criminal and that this was a fraud attempt. Even if he is a criminal, you can never confiscate deposits. He may play at many books. DirectBet shouldn't be the only book allowed to confiscate funds without repercussions. There must be a substantial downgrade in ratings. |
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In this case they are not just confiscating the funds, they are offering to refund the funds if user perform 2 simple actions.
I may be missing something here but I as others have previously said we need to check also from the bookmaker perspective, ]if not all bookmakers would go bankrupt in 2 weeks. Attempted hacks occur daily at sportsbooks. DirectBet is the only one to confiscate funds. |
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I give A+ to Directbet! They are #1!
they are A+ for most of bitcointalk community members i know it, but we can't ignore current directbet case about a double spending attempt and confiscated funds worth thousands dollar. complicated case and still no solution to solve the problem. Sometimes attempted double spend shows without a person trying to double spend. If DirectBet confiscates the $16,500, it sets a precedent that DirectBet can confiscate money any time attempted double spend shows. |
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you guys should add sportsbet.io to the list it opened today and currently is holding massive promos ! havent had any problems on my end for the site so far !  Thanks |
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If a site is going to accept 0 confirm deposits they should expect players to try and exploit this. They should also expect innocent double spends to happen. There are two ways on handling these situations.
A) Make sure they are never scammed and seize any bets with suspicious double spend attempts.
Result: Scammers will never succeed but inevitable innocent players will not be paid causing damage to DB reputation.
B) Pay out every bet unless they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a wager was made with the intention of exploiting the house.
Result: They will end up losing funds to scammers, which will encourage more scammers to scam more, but DB will maintain their exceptional reputation for being trustworthy.
Of course, there could be other ways to prevent these situations (accepting action from 0 confirm deposits from only established players for example) . If I were them, that's what I would be focusing on.
great post. I can tell you we are trying to be hacked, attacked, stolen-from, on a nearly constant basis (daily), and it's the reason we (and most other established players) require 1 confirmation. Thanks for checking in. Anything new at Bitcoinrush? Oh yea man, we're always lurking here! Brand new sportsbook coming to BitcoinRush.io... then a lot more advances in our Casino with some 3rd party integration! Right now - giving away Free Bitcoin, just play now up until the Belmont... More details here: https://www.bitcoinrush.io/leaderboardNice. |
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<snip>
If a site is going to accept 0 confirm deposits they should expect players to try and exploit this. They should also expect innocent double spends to happen. There are two ways on handling these situations.
A) Make sure they are never scammed and seize any bets with suspicious double spend attempts.
Result: Scammers will never succeed but inevitable innocent players will not be paid causing damage to DB reputation.
B) Pay out every bet unless they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a wager was made with the intention of exploiting the house.
Result: They will end up losing funds to scammers, which will encourage more scammers to scam more, but DB will maintain their exceptional reputation for being trustworthy.
Of course, there could be other ways to prevent these situations (accepting action from 0 confirm deposits from only established players for example) . If I were them, that's what I would be focusing on.
great post. I can tell you we are trying to be hacked, attacked, stolen-from, on a nearly constant basis (daily), and it's the reason we (and most other established players) require 1 confirmation. Thanks for checking in. Anything new at Bitcoinrush? |
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Peeps Place, I suggest that you consult with an independent Bitcoin security firm before making ill-informed calls and spreading false allegations on DirectBet, because it sounds like you lack the knowledge and understanding of Bitcoin security. He placed this bet using Bitcoins that he already spent in another transaction as you can see here : https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/In addition, the transaction was sent with significantly low fees, more than 20 times lower than recommended ! Now why would anyone send $16,500 bet and not be willing to pay even 1 cent in fees ? There is only one reason. This was done on purpose to give him the option not to pay for this bet in case it loses. No one is sending $16,500 transfer without even 1 cent in fees and with coins that were already spent elsewhere, unless their intentions are fraudulent. When you bet on our website you accept our terms and conditions. In our terms and conditions we clearly state that if your bet transfer is double spent, it may be confiscated. This is no hidden secret. The above clearly shows that this was a fraudulent double spend attempt. These kind of double spends do not occur by mistake. They are done on purpose and we have zero tolerance in such cases because it threatens our business. If we follow your suggestion to return the coins without a signed agreement, he will keep doing it and we will go out of business in no time. DirectBet - RHaver did an excellent job in replying to your post above. goxcroft and Twitchy Seal also made excellent posts. A quick summary of what happened is that a player deposited 36 BTC, approximately $16,500 at the time, with Directbet. Without losing a bet, DirectBet is keeping his 36 BTC. No top book will ever confiscate a player's deposit. this double spend case really confusing , but for simply example can you imagine if the bet were lost and (he) hungerstyle voided the bets by double spending the transaction? you must look at 2 sides , player and bookmaker. if everytime double spender provided a payout like what you suggest all bitcoin bookmakers will declared bankrupt! Not all double spend attempts are intentional. It could happen to anyone. Many sites require at least one confirmation (or more) to prevent being exploited by double spend attempts. I assume DirectBet knows this and chooses not to require 1 confirm in hopes it will attract more players. If a site is going to accept 0 confirm deposits they should expect players to try and exploit this. They should also expect innocent double spends to happen. There are two ways on handling these situations. A) Make sure they are never scammed and seize any bets with suspicious double spend attempts. Result: Scammers will never succeed but inevitable innocent players will not be paid causing damage to DB reputation.B) Pay out every bet unless they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a wager was made with the intention of exploiting the house. Result: They will end up losing funds to scammers, which will encourage more scammers to scam more, but DB will maintain their exceptional reputation for being trustworthy.Of course, there could be other ways to prevent these situations (accepting action from 0 confirm deposits from only established players for example) . If I were them, that's what I would be focusing on. great post. |
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Peeps Place, I suggest that you consult with an independent Bitcoin security firm before making ill-informed calls and spreading false allegations on DirectBet, because it sounds like you lack the knowledge and understanding of Bitcoin security. He placed this bet using Bitcoins that he already spent in another transaction as you can see here : https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/In addition, the transaction was sent with significantly low fees, more than 20 times lower than recommended ! Now why would anyone send $16,500 bet and not be willing to pay even 1 cent in fees ? There is only one reason. This was done on purpose to give him the option not to pay for this bet in case it loses. No one is sending $16,500 transfer without even 1 cent in fees and with coins that were already spent elsewhere, unless their intentions are fraudulent. When you bet on our website you accept our terms and conditions. In our terms and conditions we clearly state that if your bet transfer is double spent, it may be confiscated. This is no hidden secret. The above clearly shows that this was a fraudulent double spend attempt. These kind of double spends do not occur by mistake. They are done on purpose and we have zero tolerance in such cases because it threatens our business. If we follow your suggestion to return the coins without a signed agreement, he will keep doing it and we will go out of business in no time. DirectBet - RHaver did an excellent job in replying to your post above. goxcroft and Twitchy Seal also made excellent posts. A quick summary of what happened is that a player deposited 36 BTC, approximately $16,500 at the time, with Directbet. Without losing a bet, DirectBet is keeping his 36 BTC. No top book will ever confiscate a player's deposit. this double spend case really confusing , but for simply example can you imagine if the bet were lost and (he) hungerstyle voided the bets by double spending the transaction? you must look at 2 sides , player and bookmaker. if everytime double spender provided a payout like what you suggest all bitcoin bookmakers will declared bankrupt! It's DirectBet's fault for employing this type of system. Other's have stated that attempted double spends can show up even at no fault of the player. I'm far from an expert on the subject, but they stated that it has something to do with the wallet used. Others feel free to correct me. DirectBet feels that they can confiscate money, even though they have the BTC in their wallet, because the blockchain states attempted double spend. DirectBet accepted the wager, they have the money and the bet won. DirectBet then refused to pay winnings and took the deposit. Edit - I didn't see Twitchyseal's post. He knows more about double spends than I do. |
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I'm wondering why DirectBet is classified as a D-class sportsbook. For me that's the best : largest choice of events, quickest payment, altcoins, most comprehensive support...
i guess it's because of 36btc confiscated from hungerstyle case , and peepsplace "one sided" rated it as D . if you take a look to the accusation thread here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1481406.0 looks like the case isn't finished yet and peeps downgraded DB to "D" just for a warning maybe , if the case solved and DB found a good solution for both hungerstyle and DB i think they could recovered to B+ or even better. Unresolved issue but give bad ratings, I mean the decline in ratings Directbet.eu ? do you think that's fair? it should be if the problem has not been resolved no one harmed not Directbet.eu also not hungerstyle , OP should give a sign that the site was to have a problem unresolved not unilaterally lower the rating Directbet.eu. If the OP do this can be said he supports hungerstyle privately not publicly. just my opinion This is the second time that DirectBet has confiscated funds. This thread is for the benefit of the players. We need poster input to determine the grades. It's obvious that some of the posters in disagreement with DirectBet have been around the block. Their opinions cannot be ignored and their posts are appreciated. |
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Peeps Place, I suggest that you consult with an independent Bitcoin security firm before making ill-informed calls and spreading false allegations on DirectBet, because it sounds like you lack the knowledge and understanding of Bitcoin security. He placed this bet using Bitcoins that he already spent in another transaction as you can see here : https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/In addition, the transaction was sent with significantly low fees, more than 20 times lower than recommended ! Now why would anyone send $16,500 bet and not be willing to pay even 1 cent in fees ? There is only one reason. This was done on purpose to give him the option not to pay for this bet in case it loses. No one is sending $16,500 transfer without even 1 cent in fees and with coins that were already spent elsewhere, unless their intentions are fraudulent. When you bet on our website you accept our terms and conditions. In our terms and conditions we clearly state that if your bet transfer is double spent, it may be confiscated. This is no hidden secret. The above clearly shows that this was a fraudulent double spend attempt. These kind of double spends do not occur by mistake. They are done on purpose and we have zero tolerance in such cases because it threatens our business. If we follow your suggestion to return the coins without a signed agreement, he will keep doing it and we will go out of business in no time. DirectBet - RHaver did an excellent job in replying to your post above. goxcroft and Twitchy Seal also made excellent posts. A quick summary of what happened is that a player deposited 36 BTC, approximately $16,500 at the time, with Directbet. Without losing a bet, DirectBet is keeping his 36 BTC. No top book will ever confiscate a player's deposit. |
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Is anyone still waiting on a withdrawal from Cloudbet?
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