I was running a full node until AT&T's new contract throttled me back to 250GB/mo ![Angry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/angry.gif)
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In 2012 my $150 6870 video cards were making 0.2 BTC/day - so they were more ore less paying for themselves (with the current BTC price) in 1-2 days. End users are buying miners because they are stupid and can't do basic math or because they have been lied to about timeframes. I bought from BFL and I was lied to (and I fell for the lie). I spent 208 BTC and only mined back 18 BTC with my Single - that's a loss. I have not seen a single company that avoided shadiness (although KNC started off decent). If BTC goes to $4k per coin then yes we will all come out ahead - but the simple reality is if that was expected why even mine - just buy the damn coins. Some people like tweeking with the hardware - for those people maybe they spend $ on hardware instead of video games and going on dates. The mining manufacturers probably have 1/3 of the hash power to themselves and are mining with the customers hardware. We know BFL and Avalon have most certainly done this (we have proof), and I can't imagine any other company have the moral fortitude to use a testnet. So money is being made, but not buy the end user. Either you get a special hook-up with a manufacturer if you're making a farm or you are the manufacturer and are making pantloads on preorders for something you'll get around to making when you feel like it ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) This is the wild west - do you due diligence. If one person tells you it's not worth it, don't trust him/her. If 20 people say it's not worth it, perhaps their point maybe valid...
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Yep, and you can expect that late December delivery, too (courtesy of a bearded fat old man in red costume with white fur trim + hat on reindeer propelled flying sled)
Only those fortunate few that ordered first,MAY recieve them by December/January..............otherwise I would expect late 1st quarter as the earliest.They have NOT learned a damn thing about delivering on time IMO ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) 600GH @ $4680,will be profitable for sometime,BUT when will you get them,THAT is the question.....................in the meantime your money is locked in & you ain't hashin ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) What still no Monarch? Once again, Bickfailski, the necro king, strikes. Must be sad to have no life other than searching for old threads to revive with the same nonsense. What's even worse is that he lost he old mantra (What, no Monarch hashing?) and now has to be even lamer. Spondoolies must pay him well to bash the competition. What is sad is that you followed your girlfriend into this thread just to bash her. Get a room you two. BTW he's right about BFL not delivering in Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun
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Multipool profit will not be double regular SHA-256 mining. You might get an extra 10 to 20% more on lucky days. You will get about 5% more stales guaranteed. Second, the mining calculator is only accurate when you have the miners in hand since each day is critical in the beginning. http://tpbitcalc.appspot.com/ is a better calculator but requires you to manually add each time period. I guess about 11 days for each period and I increase the difficulty about 18% with each increase. You can also adjust the pool fees. Doing all the calculations after July 4 has you coming out at a loss. I have free electricity and have not bought any miners since my regretted BFL Singles. Thankfully I did not follow that mistake with further mistakes. Mine to support the network if you have BTC and you want to see them secure (decentralized). Chasing profits is currently a lost cause.
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We'll have a 1/2ing in 2016. Any marginal miners will drop out and some may choose that point to exit. That would probably be the next drop (if any).
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No mining equipment out in 2014 has been shown to make ROI (BTC --> BTC back). The rare cases in 2013 were Batch 1 of Avalon and a few KNC orders early on.
Mining is for supporting the network and having fun (and maybe anonymous block rewards if you need that).
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Most of the cheaper wall units are not really rated for consistent 24/7 use, so you might end up with some downtime. At the least I would buy an extended warranty on it.
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It's more like B. You will notice CPUs will still make the same measly KH/s, GPUs still makes the same MH/s. But if you mine on a pool the shares they submit would be worth to nothing, less than 1 satoshi each. Some of the high end ASIC machines are putting out 100k hashes per minutes now which would make your classic 5830 cry ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) An easy anology would be every time the difficulty jumps it's like needing to pick an extra number to win a lottery. Picking 6 numbers is difficult. Picking 7 is even harder.
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I am a newcomer and i think trading is a risky option for newcomer like me. So, i think mining is the best way to earn Bitcion. .I have found a post in this forum on BTC mining, where www.genesis-mining.com is offering to start mining from 0.14 usd kh/s per year. How are they offering such a low price? Are they legit? Here is the link of that thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=602022.0What exactly do you mean "earn". The people earning Bitcoins are the ones selling their goods and services in exchange for Bitcoin. In the case of miners, they are being paid a processing fee for processing transactions, and they also get the subsidized block reward. The cheapest way to acquire coins is to just buy them. Mining and virtual mining are all losing proposition currently (you will guaranteed end up with less coins than had you bought coins directly). Mining is good if you want to support the network or just find mining fun.
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Hi Stunna, I missed my May 17th re-enrollment so to speak ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) Starting posts: 1117 Bitcoin address: 19xpqPCGPtfWLLXnuxQMQwgFnDmAzq32eR
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It's making a tad under 0.02 per day right now with BTCG's horrible luck. Obviously the only people who should be buying this would be people who have dirt cheap electricity - I know some people in WA state have 0.02. It costs me $0.33/KWH here in Los Angeles area so obviously I won't be bringing them back home.
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Another price drop. I'm know I wil be able to mine over 1.5BTC before these become profit neutral (which for me is about $0.04/KWh) but how close to 2BTC I'm not sure ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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So I am the original owner of these 5 SC Singles. I brought the miners down from their nice chilly perch in Seattle, WA for retirement. 3 are using the original BFL PSU bricks, 2 were running off of a PSU. All the Singles run more or less right at 60GH/s except one is a little slouch at 57 GH/s - might benefit from a repaste. I did take the fan grills off all the miners on day one since they run about 4c cooler with the grills off. I am asking $50 for all 5 Singles and the 3 BFL PSUs. Obviously this is for people who have free electricity but the 5 of should be making about $4/day after the next big difficulty bump so they pay off after 12.5 days No trades please - I prefer to sell them as a bundle. If you think $50 is too high make an offer. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi62.tinypic.com%2F2u8f2bb.jpg&t=663&c=hGtPvVDeddGHSg)
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Signing up again for March to April Current post count 1111
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I understand both the miners and eleuthrias points on this.
Eleuthria: Doesnt want to keep hemoraging money due to really bad luck Miners: Most will likely leave the pool now for a PPS enabled one.
While I feel for both the miners and Eleuthria here, one thing we all have to remember is even if we bitch til were blue in the face. Eleuthria will ultimtely do what he feel is right / what he wants to, after all this is his pool. So at this point all we as miners can do is try to make suggestions for maybe a modified PPS method or just forget about it.
You do know there were 2 other major pools that provided PPS payment 1) 50BTC - scammed/hacked their way to bankruptcy and lost user's money off their hot wallet. Their PPS rate was only 3% 2) EMC - has PPS at 5%, but good luck with the reliability there There is a reason people choose to stay with BTCGuild. The good interface, the quality of the pool, and best of all the pool OP has proven to be a honest supporter of BTC above and beyond what would make him the biggest bucks. I'm not saying Eleuthria is a saint, but in a world were malfeasance runs rampant Eleuthria has been one of the brighter stars in the BTC community. People are welcome to leave the pool looking for greener grass in other PPS lands - most with common sense will probably end up back here after a month.
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There has been alot of luck involed with the KNC first batches too. Saturn and Jupiter.
Those that pre-ordered the Saturn and Jupiter early would have lost money on the investments back in September if it were not the price of BTC magically jumping from $110 to $1000 in November.
yeah it was a close thing by 2 weeks..but you all know how it works...someone that is a noob will always in my view ..finding out about bitcoin "buy some hardware to mine coins first" then ..they figure out you may be better off buying btc later in my case with a refund option (and after bfl felt a certain warmth towards knc for giving 555gh rather then 250gh..unlike the sc*m that is bfl) I stuck with it and got the miner also at 150 btc...I figured it would take me 9months to make ROI and maybe if lucky I could make house util payments for the next 6 months mining and then selling the unit on ebay...it was a hobby ...my goals were modest it went to 1250 bucks like 4 or so weeks after I got it oct 18th..then the stress began but yeah everyone new to bitcoin I ever knew bought equip first ....the fear of dropping 5K on equip that makes something outweighs the logic of maybe getting more coin by just dropping usd to coin.....shudder still may be the truth I've refunded the 2nd Neptune will get 13.2k back..i doubt i'll have the 'balls" to dump 13.2k in bitcoin purchases this first week of march ..yet the same scenario of getting my Neptune the 1st week or so of march and mining for the same cash would have thrilled me no end
go figurebut the truth is with all the drama with btc lately a little caution from mow till july may not be altogether a bad thing....the heady times of 1250 usd btc may come back but maybe I should just kinda creep up on the beastie this time .....take a bit of time ......stalk the Wiley bitcoin (sigh Minnesota I'm cold/old/bored and numb..got to do something...should call it "bitcoin the virtual soap opera..imho...) Searing Haha. I know what you mean, and this is what the noobs don't understand. Your head knows buying $13,200USD worth of BTC is low risk (assuming you expect BTC to live). The heart enjoys the thrill of hearing fans, seeing scroll logs of hashes, and seeing microtransactions trickle into your wallet. You would probably never mine back that 26 or so BTC, but it's so much fun.... until your wife sees the electric bill ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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Wait are you a shill for Ripple(XRP) ? Ripple is long since dead.
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