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1881  Economy / Gambling / Re: Best Sports Gambling Website? Legalities of BTC Gambling? on: February 02, 2016, 10:46:15 AM
as Peeps Place explain in table picture here the bitcoin sportsbooks rank based on user reviews regarding lines, support , legalities etc

first , NitrogenSports
second , Betcoinsports
third , Jetwin
fourth , bitcoinrush
...
...
...
i would recommend directbet too as they have a perfect service and supportthe only minor from directbet is yeah the very low odds.
All of what you mentioned and to add some.

It's comprehensive and an overall rating.

1. Nitrogen, Betcoinsports and Cloudbet dominate the bitcoin sports betting market world wide. They are the biggest bitcoin sportsbooks with the most clients and seem to be safe. Jetwin has a clean record as does Bitcoinrush. DirectBet has the biggest backing here at bitcointalk.

2. In order to have a grading of "A" or "B" deposits and withdrawals must be done within a 15 minute window. Exceptions may be given to books with poker rooms. More fraud occurs in the poker rooms and books may need more time. There are also exceptions for large withdrawals and red flagged accounts.

3. DirectBet confiscated a player's deposit and winnings claiming an attempted hack. DirectBet has been made aware that confiscating a players deposit (bet in DirectBet's case) will prevent them from being a "B-" or above. Books rated "B-" and above are recommended. A book will never be recommended when they confiscate a players deposits.

4. Email must be responded to within 1 day. The time frames set for deposit/withdrawals and email response was set with the help of feedback in the rating's thread.

5. Offerings and theoretical hold (margins) are included in the ratings.

thanks for telling us. i am quite happy with directbet until u tell me this which i feel very suspicious on playing on directbet.
you're welcome.

To add one more thing, the Super Bowl is a bad time to try suspect books. If a book is having problems, they normally will close shop after huge events such as the Super Bowl or World Cup. "A" and "B" books are best to play with Super Bowl day.

After the Super Bowl withdrawal times will be checked on all books and upgrades/downgrades may occur.
1882  Economy / Gambling / Re: Best Sports Gambling Website? Legalities of BTC Gambling? on: February 02, 2016, 10:30:53 AM
Quote
"A" rated books
NitrogenSports A+ (2012)

"B"rated books
Betcoinsports B+ (2013)
Jetwin B+ (2013)
Bitcoinrush B (2013)

"C" rated books
Anonibet C+ (2011)
Cloudbet C+ (2013)
DirectBet C+ (2014)
Fairlay C (2014)
Betmoose C- (2014)
OLEBitcoin C- (2013)*
Predictious C- (2013)
Betbtc C- (2014)

"D" rated books

Premiumtradings D+ (2014))

"F" rated books
Asianconnect F ....................accepting deposits but they have confiscated funds from multiple players.
Ball2Win F ..........................accepting deposits. They are under the same license as "F" book gobetgo
BetCas F ............................accepting deposits but they have confiscated funds from multiple players.
BTCBonusBook (2015).......... accepting deposits with no payout history.
Casinoco (2015)...................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Coindrafts F (2014)
Webetcoins F (2014
Bitbm F .............................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Bitcoinsport F
Bitcoinlivebets F
Coinbet F
Gobetgo F (2013)
Sportbet.im F
StakeBTC F
Blockbet F
Bitbook F

NR
altbetfair.com
betbanks.com
betmbtc.com
betinbtc.com
BetVIP - closed 6/12/15
bitcasino.io/sportsbook
bitsportsbook.org
BTCBook
Coin178.com
coinbet24.com
Flutterclub.com
lvaction.com
Planetofbets.com
tdsports.com
xbet.io


* longer accepting cash deposits

Maximum grade based upon time in business:

A - 2 years
B - 1 year
C - 3 months
D - 1 month
F - reserved for books that are scams, slow paying or stiffing players
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.0
1883  Economy / Gambling / Re: Best Sports Gambling Website? Legalities of BTC Gambling? on: February 02, 2016, 10:27:23 AM
as Peeps Place explain in table picture here the bitcoin sportsbooks rank based on user reviews regarding lines, support , legalities etc

first , NitrogenSports
second , Betcoinsports
third , Jetwin
fourth , bitcoinrush
...
...
...
i would recommend directbet too as they have a perfect service and supportthe only minor from directbet is yeah the very low odds.
All of what you mentioned and to add some.

It's comprehensive and an overall rating.

1. Nitrogen, Betcoinsports and Cloudbet dominate the bitcoin sports betting market world wide. They are the biggest bitcoin sportsbooks with the most clients and seem to be safe. Jetwin has a clean record as does Bitcoinrush. DirectBet has the biggest backing here at bitcointalk.

2. Of the three biggest books, Cloudbet has the most hiccups as far as withdrawal times, customer support and other complaints.
 
3. In order to have a grading of "A" or "B" deposits and withdrawals must be done within a 15 minute window. Exceptions may be given to books with poker rooms. More fraud occurs in the poker rooms and books may need more time. There are also exceptions for large withdrawals and red flagged accounts.

4. DirectBet confiscated a player's deposit and winnings claiming an attempted hack. DirectBet has been made aware that confiscating a players deposit (bet in DirectBet's case) will prevent them from being a "B-" or above. Books rated "B-" and above are recommended. A book will never be recommended when they confiscate a player's deposits.

5. Email must be responded to within 1 day. The time frames set for deposit/withdrawals and email response were set with the help of feedback in the rating's thread.

6. Offerings and theoretical hold (margins) are included in the ratings.
1884  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: February 02, 2016, 04:51:24 AM
"Betcoin.ag - Scams, Scandals, and Shadiness Galore" by TwitchySeal

http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showthread.php?11404-Betcoin-ag-Scams-Scandals-and-Shadiness-Galore



The owner of PokerFraudAlert, Dan Druff,  responds:

"...this site sounds shady as hell, and you should stay far, far away."


And:

"Sounds like this place absolutely cannot be trusted."


And:

"Pretty awful.

Anyone who continues to patronize these scumbags is a fool."




Other comments in the thread:

How Quaint discussing the Affiliate Manager and General Manager:

"I came to the conclusion that not only were these guys clueless about poker, that they were also liars. They run a shitty business and use shady tactics. Furthermore, they don't even understand the business they are in, so I can't support them then..."



anchordraw:

"pokerscout says this site has a 7 day average of 28 players, with a 24hr peak of 50.

how are they making enough money to stay open?"



If the management are shady and run a shitty unsustainable business on the poker side, does anyone feel there will be any difference on the sportsbook side?
I don't.


This is from WalkerIVIV
Quote
Hello players,

thisway I'd like to apology to betcoin.ag. I had problem with their poker software ( my own mistake). I solved problem with local betcoin manager that offered me honest compensation and afterall I managed to get my funds back. I am thankfull for their understanding of my issue. So once again thanks.
1885  Economy / Gambling / Re: Best Sports Gambling Website? Legalities of BTC Gambling? on: February 02, 2016, 04:19:28 AM
1886  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: February 01, 2016, 09:00:36 AM
1887  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: January 29, 2016, 10:23:43 PM
Books- Anyone offering Super Bowl squares or specials?

Hey Peeps - We have quite a few going on!!

Super Bowl Blackjack Contest
For this year's Super Bowl, BitcoinRush.io is proud to offer a Blackjack Contest where the user who plays the most hands of Blackjack (min 1 mBTC) between now and the end of the Super Bowl Game will win 1 Bitcoin, and the Runner-Up will win 0.5 Bitcoin - all with no strings attached - you can cash-out immediately!

Checkout the current leaderboard, which is updated real-time, to see how you are faring with the competition!

 
Squares, Props, and the Current Odds

Squares
Just like the past 3 years, we are offering Squares Pools  to our loyal players! At the moment we have 2 pools, a free version where we've added 500 mBTC to the prize pool, and a paid version where the cost to play is just 25 mBTC per square. If we fill up quickly and there is more demand, we'll open up more pools before the Big Game!

The MOST Prop Bets
Right now we have over 500 different Prop Bets available to bet on with Bitcoin. This list will grow as we get closer to the game, so be sure to check them out daily!

Current Odds
It all comes down to just two teams for the Lombardi Trophy with the Carolina Panthers currently 5.5 point favorites over the Denver Broncos. Whether you want to bet the full-game, the first-half, or even the second-half, be sure to checkout the odds at the BitcoinRush.io Sportsbook!


Thanks
1888  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: January 29, 2016, 03:34:14 AM
Books- Anyone offering Super Bowl squares or specials?
1889  Economy / Gambling / Re: Which bitcoin sportsbook? on: January 28, 2016, 08:39:34 AM
For best sportbooks it still directbet because it is instant deposit and withdrawal. There is nothing as good as their fast confirmation but like you said odds is the problem but it is not for all game, mostly is only for soccer. If you want to try other sportbooks you can use jetwin, nitrogensports and betcoin.ag they have good odds
The books you mention, Nitrogen, Betcoin.ag and Jetwin, also have instant deposits and withdrawals.
1890  Economy / Gambling / Re: Which bitcoin sportsbook? on: January 27, 2016, 04:08:11 PM
1891  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: January 26, 2016, 04:32:55 AM
As Peeps has noted in the past, end of NFL season is a good time to withdraw as much as possible from sportsbooks and be super cautious, as shaky books will often wait till NFL season is over before closing down.

This is btc - it costs a few cents to redeposit and it is received almost instantly, so no reason not to play it safe for awhile.


great advice.
1892  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: January 26, 2016, 04:32:20 AM
Hi ,

I am waiting for a withdraw for 0.16 BTC ( not a big amount ) for more than 72 hours on cloudbet.com

As soon as I reiceve the withdrawal in my BTC address I will update my post.

Thanks



If this is true then its really not good but you should add some proofs. Were you playing in casino or sports and were you playing with any sort of promo/bonus (don't know if they have some or not)?

Have you contacted support?

Today in the morning I have received my withdrawals, I think there was a delay because I have tried to withdraw on friday in the morning and it was the weekend , but my problem solved on Monday , so after all everything is ok.

Thanks


Thanks for the update.
1893  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: January 24, 2016, 04:30:26 AM
Surprised not to see flutterclub on here... They get an A from me


Right now they are not rated but they will have an opening rating after the Super Bowl.


"A" rated books
NitrogenSports A+ (2012)

"B"rated books
Betcoinsports B+ (2013)
Jetwin B+ (2013)
Bitcoinrush B (2013)

"C" rated books
Anonibet C+ (2011)
Cloudbet C+ (2013)
DirectBet C+ (2014)
Fairlay C (2014)
Betmoose C- (2014)
OLEBitcoin C- (2013)*
Predictious C- (2013)
Betbtc C- (2014)

"D" rated books
Premiumtradings D+ (2014))

"F" rated books
Asianconnect F ....................accepting deposits but they have confiscated funds from multiple players.
Ball2Win F ..........................accepting deposits. They are under the same license as "F" book gobetgo
BetCas F ............................accepting deposits but they have confiscated funds from multiple players.
BTCBonusBook (2015).......... accepting deposits with no payout history.
Casinoco (2015)...................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Coindrafts F (2014)
Webetcoins F (2014
Bitbm F .............................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Bitcoinsport F
Bitcoinlivebets F
Coinbet F
Gobetgo F (2013)
Sportbet.im F
StakeBTC F
Blockbet F
Bitbook F

NR
altbetfair.com
betbanks.com
betmbtc.com
betinbtc.com
BetVIP - closed 6/12/15
bitcasino.io/sportsbook
bitsportsbook.org
BTCBook
Coin178.com
coinbet24.com
Flutterclub.com
lvaction.com
Planetofbets.com
tdsports.com
xbet.io
1894  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: January 23, 2016, 07:35:12 PM
1895  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: January 18, 2016, 05:50:56 AM
We have already added a ton of extra sports and leagues to BetBTC. (Horse-Racing still incoming)

Positive Feedback keeps coming on our topic like the  deposits, freebet requests and liquidity.
Features like instant deposits, live chat support, API betting, anonymous betting and more were released.
We are operating for more than 1 year.

Our C- rating on this topic keeps unchanged  Sad

The only thing holding you back is liquidity. It's checked often. There will be some upgrades/downgrades in the next couple of weeks.

1 more month have passed, our rank is the unchanged C-

Don't know what to say more, the evidence is everywhere, you should visit our site, topic, or search for "betbtc" anywhere at least once.
http://www.bitedge.co/bitcoin-sportsbook-reviews/betbtc-review/


I like BetBTC. The site is looks great, is user friendly and the hold is low. Here are a couple of reasons why BetBTC isn't being upgraded at this time.

BetBTC offers ML betting in the NFL. Other books offer ML, sread, totals, alt. spreads, alt totals, HT betting and prop betting.

BetBTC offers 1x2 betting in soccer. Other books have totals, half time, corners and other prop betting.

BetBTC offers 6 different soccer leagues. Other books may offer more than 50 leagues. Right now Nitrogen has a 6 BTC limit on Iran soccer u23. The limit is much higher in major soccer markets.

In the NFL Nitrogen's max bet is 30 BTC right now and will be 100 BTC on game day.

BetBTC has a total of 10 different sporting events listed. Others may offer cycling, handball, golf to name a few that BetBTC isn't offering.

It's not that BetBTC is a bad book, it's that the books rated above BetBTC are very good.



Ok so I think I got it now, slightly 90% of the rating weight is based on 2 factors: the sport/league offer and betting liquidity volumes; all the rest ( Instant Payments, Anonymous Betting, User vs User Betting, Clean Site Navigation and Menus, etc...) accounts for the little rest of the rating. (luckily we have the c-)

I am sorry but we will definitely unsubscribe from this topic since this rating criteria makes absolutely no sense. You seem to not understand that we are a betting exchange and having more sports and events will only spread the liquidity even more.

We are expanding the offer for some months already but that must be made progressively and not from one day to another.

If any user wants to address us something here, pm us the post directly.

Thanks

What advantages do you have over Nitrogen, the top rated book here?

Can you see the difference between A+ and C-?

A, A-, B+, B, B-, C+ and C
What advantages over Nitrogen (A+), Betcoinsports (B+), Jetwin  (B+), Bitcoinrush (B), Anonibet (C+), Cloudbet (C+), DirectBet (C+)?

All books rated B- and above are instant and anonymous. Jetwin only requires KYC for bonuses.

Always been kind of curious about this.. But where do these sites get their spreads? Vegas? Also, how quickly does the site update their spreads? Because when betting on sports, it gets to a point where spreads are changing pretty rapidly due to last minute betting and finalized injury reports.
Bitcoin sportsbooks open up their lines by copying the lines of a sportsbook in Costa Rica or Europe. Some books will then clone every move. Other books have their own linesman/trader and will move their lines independently.
1896  Economy / Gambling / Re: Are Betcoin.ag and Betcoin.tm gambling sites related? on: January 16, 2016, 08:12:16 PM
i highly doubt that the websites are related in any ways and i honestly think that the owners of those sites are different people, so most probably they are not associated
true. They are separate entities with no type of relationship.
1897  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: January 15, 2016, 02:55:01 PM
We have already added a ton of extra sports and leagues to BetBTC. (Horse-Racing still incoming)

Positive Feedback keeps coming on our topic like the  deposits, freebet requests and liquidity.
Features like instant deposits, live chat support, API betting, anonymous betting and more were released.
We are operating for more than 1 year.

Our C- rating on this topic keeps unchanged  Sad

The only thing holding you back is liquidity. It's checked often. There will be some upgrades/downgrades in the next couple of weeks.

1 more month have passed, our rank is the unchanged C-

Don't know what to say more, the evidence is everywhere, you should visit our site, topic, or search for "betbtc" anywhere at least once.
http://www.bitedge.co/bitcoin-sportsbook-reviews/betbtc-review/


I like BetBTC. The site is looks great, is user friendly and the hold is low. Here are a couple of reasons why BetBTC isn't being upgraded at this time.

BetBTC offers ML betting in the NFL. Other books offer ML, sread, totals, alt. spreads, alt totals, HT betting and prop betting.

BetBTC offers 1x2 betting in soccer. Other books have totals, half time, corners and other prop betting.

BetBTC offers 6 different soccer leagues. Other books may offer more than 50 leagues. Right now Nitrogen has a 6 BTC limit on Iran soccer u23. The limit is much higher in major soccer markets.

In the NFL Nitrogen's max bet is 30 BTC right now and will be 100 BTC on game day.

BetBTC has a total of 10 different sporting events listed. Others may offer cycling, handball, golf to name a few that BetBTC isn't offering.

It's not that BetBTC is a bad book, it's that the books rated above BetBTC are very good.



Ok so I think I got it now, slightly 90% of the rating weight is based on 2 factors: the sport/league offer and betting liquidity volumes; all the rest ( Instant Payments, Anonymous Betting, User vs User Betting, Clean Site Navigation and Menus, etc...) accounts for the little rest of the rating. (luckily we have the c-)

I am sorry but we will definitely unsubscribe from this topic since this rating criteria makes absolutely no sense. You seem to not understand that we are a betting exchange and having more sports and events will only spread the liquidity even more.

We are expanding the offer for some months already but that must be made progressively and not from one day to another.

If any user wants to address us something here, pm us the post directly.

Thanks

What advantages do you have over Nitrogen, the top rated book here?

Can you see the difference between A+ and C-?

A, A-, B+, B, B-, C+ and C
What advantages over Nitrogen, Betcoinsports, Jetwin or Bitcoinrush?

I won't keep arguing here about this, its pretty obvious the advantages a betting exchange can have against a regular bookmaker when it is fully adopted.

Just look at betfair and compare to other bookmakers for example and see all advantages: from better odds (good opportunities), bet trading allowed, to no account locks for high winnings, etc

You are too focused comparing the sports and leagues on betbtc with other bookmakers, that you can't see anything else. There's nothing else we can do here.

The ratings are comprehensive. There isn't much liquidity at BetBTC. Offers aren't being matched as is and there isn't an offer of 1 BTC or above out there now that I see. You can't compare Betfair to BetBTC.

As I said, your rating isn't a knock on BetBTC. It's just that the bar is set high for B- and above.

1898  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: January 15, 2016, 02:43:38 PM
We have already added a ton of extra sports and leagues to BetBTC. (Horse-Racing still incoming)

Positive Feedback keeps coming on our topic like the  deposits, freebet requests and liquidity.
Features like instant deposits, live chat support, API betting, anonymous betting and more were released.
We are operating for more than 1 year.

Our C- rating on this topic keeps unchanged  Sad

The only thing holding you back is liquidity. It's checked often. There will be some upgrades/downgrades in the next couple of weeks.

1 more month have passed, our rank is the unchanged C-

Don't know what to say more, the evidence is everywhere, you should visit our site, topic, or search for "betbtc" anywhere at least once.
http://www.bitedge.co/bitcoin-sportsbook-reviews/betbtc-review/


I like BetBTC. The site is looks great, is user friendly and the hold is low. Here are a couple of reasons why BetBTC isn't being upgraded at this time.

BetBTC offers ML betting in the NFL. Other books offer ML, sread, totals, alt. spreads, alt totals, HT betting and prop betting.

BetBTC offers 1x2 betting in soccer. Other books have totals, half time, corners and other prop betting.

BetBTC offers 6 different soccer leagues. Other books may offer more than 50 leagues. Right now Nitrogen has a 6 BTC limit on Iran soccer u23. The limit is much higher in major soccer markets.

In the NFL Nitrogen's max bet is 30 BTC right now and will be 100 BTC on game day.

BetBTC has a total of 10 different sporting events listed. Others may offer cycling, handball, golf to name a few that BetBTC isn't offering.

It's not that BetBTC is a bad book, it's that the books rated above BetBTC are very good.



Ok so I think I got it now, slightly 90% of the rating weight is based on 2 factors: the sport/league offer and betting liquidity volumes; all the rest ( Instant Payments, Anonymous Betting, User vs User Betting, Clean Site Navigation and Menus, etc...) accounts for the little rest of the rating. (luckily we have the c-)

I am sorry but we will definitely unsubscribe from this topic since this rating criteria makes absolutely no sense. You seem to not understand that we are a betting exchange and having more sports and events will only spread the liquidity even more.

We are expanding the offer for some months already but that must be made progressively and not from one day to another.

If any user wants to address us something here, pm us the post directly.

Thanks

What advantages do you have over Nitrogen, the top rated book here?

Can you see the difference between A+ and C-?

A, A-, B+, B, B-, C+ and C
What advantages over Nitrogen (A+), Betcoinsports (B+), Jetwin  (B+), Bitcoinrush (B), Anonibet (C+), Cloudbet (C+), DirectBet (C+)?

All books rated B- and above are instant and anonymous. Jetwin only requires KYC for bonuses.
1899  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: January 15, 2016, 02:41:02 PM
We have already added a ton of extra sports and leagues to BetBTC. (Horse-Racing still incoming)

Positive Feedback keeps coming on our topic like the  deposits, freebet requests and liquidity.
Features like instant deposits, live chat support, API betting, anonymous betting and more were released.
We are operating for more than 1 year.

Our C- rating on this topic keeps unchanged  Sad

The only thing holding you back is liquidity. It's checked often. There will be some upgrades/downgrades in the next couple of weeks.

1 more month have passed, our rank is the unchanged C-

Don't know what to say more, the evidence is everywhere, you should visit our site, topic, or search for "betbtc" anywhere at least once.
http://www.bitedge.co/bitcoin-sportsbook-reviews/betbtc-review/


I like BetBTC. The site is looks great, is user friendly and the hold is low. Here are a couple of reasons why BetBTC isn't being upgraded at this time.

BetBTC offers ML betting in the NFL. Other books offer ML, sread, totals, alt. spreads, alt totals, HT betting and prop betting.

BetBTC offers 1x2 betting in soccer. Other books have totals, half time, corners and other prop betting.

BetBTC offers 6 different soccer leagues. Other books may offer more than 50 leagues. Right now Nitrogen has a 6 BTC limit on Iran soccer u23. The limit is much higher in major soccer markets.

In the NFL Nitrogen's max bet is 30 BTC right now and will be 100 BTC on game day.

BetBTC has a total of 10 different sporting events listed. Others may offer cycling, handball, golf to name a few that BetBTC isn't offering.

It's not that BetBTC is a bad book, it's that the books rated above BetBTC are very good.



Ok so I think I got it now, slightly 90% of the rating weight is based on 2 factors: the sport/league offer and betting liquidity volumes; all the rest ( Instant Payments, Anonymous Betting, User vs User Betting, Clean Site Navigation and Menus, etc...) accounts for the little rest of the rating. (luckily we have the c-)

I am sorry but we will definitely unsubscribe from this topic since this rating criteria makes absolutely no sense. You seem to not understand that we are a betting exchange and having more sports and events will only spread the liquidity even more.

We are expanding the offer for some months already but that must be made progressively and not from one day to another.

If any user wants to address us something here, pm us the post directly.

Thanks

What advantages do you have over Nitrogen, Betcoinsports, Jetwin and Bitcoinrush?
1900  Economy / Gambling / Re: #1 RATINGS of SPORTSBOOKS. Please post any payout delays. Input wanted from all. on: January 15, 2016, 02:32:23 PM
BetBTC - My goal isn't to shed a negative light on BetBTC but here are some of the features and markets of top books.


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