What exactly was the TXT Coins Now "fiasco" if it wasn't a scam? Seriously, I'd like to know. People lost a lot of money over it. You know as well as I do that the post that was on NXT Forum about Lee contained links and quotes from companies complaining about his "business" practices. I remember he scammed one company for ~$5800. I'm sure anyone willing to do a google search for "Lee Gibson Grant" will find evidence of his prior behavior. Do you really think just because Lee supposedly got scammed by John M. of Cointropolis that it clears him of any suspected wrong-doing? There is no honor among thieves. I also wouldn't be surprised if John and Lee were working together to mislead everyone.
Here is where the NXT community is being naive. Didn't it occur to you guys that they could both be in on it?  Yeah, we're not stupid. I did consider that John and Lee could have been working together, in fact we considered every option, up to alien abduction. It was a pretty simple bit of scamming; John and Lee were both at the 2014 PayExpo, representing Nxt. During Johns flight back to the US from London someone posted using his forum account to offer ' an incredible investment opportunity' if people threw BTC at him right now. Some people did, like Lee, before others got suspicious and shut it down. When John got off his plane, he claimed that his forum account must have been hacked.....tbh, I still have no f**king idea what the truth is. Seeing as Nxt had just hired John and Cointropolis as PR consultants, it seems suicidally dumb for John to scam like that, and take the chance on blowing his reputation completely. But: he never offered any evidence in his defence, and faded away pretty quickly from the Nxt community after that. If anyone ever figures out what really happened, I'd love to know. On Lee, here's the Google search link. I got bored at page 5...... https://www.google.nl/search?q=lee+gibson+grant |
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NXT is still very much decentralised, DE. I don´t know why you have to insist that your viewpoint is the only possible legitimate viewpoint, but you´re behaving exactly like....well, a Communist dictator. The irony, eh ? Farl4Bit is getting paid €2052 (+sales tax) to do the site, with a years maintenance/updates. Another reason (apart from the list earlier) to give the job to his company is that we can find him the in the real world if there are any problems. Sure, we could probably have got cheaper from a random guy on BTT, but we can't completely trust random people we find on BTT, John M proved that. Anyway: here's an idea. Why don't you ( and/or any likeminded 'White Male Libertarian Bros') get it together and do some stuff based on your vision of Nxt ? Up until now, I thought we were on the same page and the same side, but apparently we aren't.  Here's a last point...the NXT Foundation isn't a control mechanism for NXT. It's a support/contact/do stuff system for Nxt, and Nxt needs someone to step in and do the dull as shite basic stuff, like buying SSl certs, getting code signed, updating exchanges, dealing with arguing devs....... the reason that I'm doing this is because I was one of very few people who stepped up and actually did this sort of crap for Nxt, instead of talking about doing it. @btcsatan...mmm, that Lambo is so shiny. Everyone should get to drive something like it at least once  |
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The same small group of con individuals continue taking the idiots for a ride. Maybe there's some kind of poetic justice there after all.
"Never underestimate the levels of idiocy in large groups of people".
Amazing. Simply amazing.
I wouldn't be surprised if they were. But we need to research who these individuals really are. So it would really be a public service if someone out there knows something and kindly make a post here. Not really. Waste of time, not service. Here's the indisputable reality for you: 1.-The same small group of people has gazillions of NXT that they need to keep unloading, regardless of the price -as slowly as they can, not to kill it completely-, and have been doing so for many, many months. And continue. These too, Dave and Bass are part of the group. Nope. This bit is wrong. I don't have gazillions of NXT, never did. Would be nice, though. This is just conspiracy theory thinking/FUD with no basis in fact.
2.- These guys, the group with Dave and Bass leading, decided to give the idiots (those are people like you, who "believe") what they were asking for ("marketing and PR"). Mind you, you (the idiots) were asking for that to keep alive the fable or your own creation rather than admit you have been taken). So they organized the collection for that purpose. 10 million NXT. They were not going to give a cent of it to professionals, of course. So they kept it and assigned to themselves and such professionals, to keep on sucking from the same tit, only now in the open. And, of course, they gave the contract for the website to another of the group. Mind you the cost of the website is absurd since anyone can do it with wordpress for free. So the 10 million will quickly disappear and you will have the same things to show for it that you have now, two months since assigned: ZERO. I 'm not the leader of anything, B, other than being co-lead on Tennessee for the last 2 months. Nxt is a decentralised organisation, which means that anyone can step up and do stuff. DE is as much a leader as I am, and there are plenty of other guys who are filling distributed leadership roles.
If you'd read anything about the Tennessee project to date, you'd see that we are bringing in professionals for marketing/website construction:
http://www.farlawebmedia.nl/
taking care of webdesign, and we have a media consultant on a 3 month trial contract.
So, again, nope. 50% of the 10 million NXT is going to pay me and Bas a part time salary for the next year (206,000 NXT per person/month, $1300 right now.)
The rest is getting spent on people and tools. 3.- All of this doesn't slow down, in the least, the dumping of NXT. They did it at 9000, at 5000, at 2000 and will continue doing it -as much as there's ANY demand at ANY price-. 4.- Do you still have some reservations? let me spell it for you: Y O U H A V E B E E N T A K E N. About the business with BK, Nautilus and that other guy... are you kidding me??? Brian Kelly comes out on TV one every blue moon and DOES run an investment fund. Have you taken a close look at who these guys, Dave and Bass are, really are? They would KILL for being mentioned with Kelly on the same sentence. No matter the price. Taken. You have been taken. Another great post, B. @DE.....you're totally welcome to disagree with me, mate. Not a problem. I do still feel that you are blowing this completely out of proportion, and by doing so causing a lot more damage to Nxt than my advice to wait and research the alt-coin world before investing in anything. We obviously have different approaches to promoting Nxt: you seem to want me to relentlessly shill at every opportunity, and I like to be a lot more honest and open. Right now, Bitcoin is the market leader, and all other crypto-currencies (including NXT) are still highly speculative investments. I know that Nxt is superior to BTC in a lot of ways, no argument, and I'm pretty certain that we'll be one of the dominant crypto systems over the next decade. But: I'm not a fanatical maximalist for any side, I think that we will see a crypto market with multiple currencies for a very long time, and that there will probably never be a completely homogenous crypto currency ecosystem. Like it or not, BTC and NXT will exist alongside each other for a while yet, barring disasters for either system. And on the Ford/Mercedes thing: I used to be a motorcycle riding instructor, and my advice was always to start out on something slow and shitty as a first bike. Get used to the basics on something basic, then move up to serious motorcycles.  Anyhow: last point coming up, 'cause this is taking time up that I could better spend on Tennessee: Tennessee is an initiative from the Nxt Foundation, not from the Nxt community as a whole, because decentralisation. We came up with a plan, presented it to the community, and asked for funding. https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/%28marketing-business-and-development%29-the-tennessee-project-fundraiser/ We are now implementing this plan (to the letter, check the goals list) under mine and Bas' leadership. Naturally, we're open to input from the community, but at the end of the day, this is our project. Nxt is a decentralised organisation, and TNSSE is just one element, there is plenty of room for others to step up and run marketing (or whatever) initiatives if they don't like any aspect of our approach: https://nxtforum.org/nxt-promotion/nxt-revitalization-plan/I'm not going to toe a party line imposed on me by anyone who thinks that we should only have one way to promote Nxt, and I'm also not going to force people to follow my way of doing things. Follow me if you like, but if you don't want to.....not a problem  Decentralisation is not just a word, it's a principle. |
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http://techcitynews.com/2015/11/23/digital-currency-ecosystem-tested-on-island/Explains the whole Agistri/Nautilus project pretty simply. You can look on Brian Kelly as the creator of Nautiluscoin, and the backer for the Drachmae project on Agistri. Lee GG (as part of Coinstructors) put much of the project together, with some help from the Nxt Foundation, mostly tech and community support. These 2 articles are also worth reading: https://www.zapchain.com/a/NqFT37iLglhttp://coinstructors.com/?author=2As for the allegations against Lee: I researched his Scottish arse when he first showed up in Nxt, and couldn't find any proper naughtiness. Someone did post a list of Lee's supposed evil-doing, but didn't have any solid evidence, apart from one very old (i think 2009) post on a telecoms forum claiming that Lee was a dodgy git, again with no proper evidence. If DE can come up with some real evidence, or even semi-real, I'm happy to listen. The ironic bit here, btw, is that Lee was pretty much the only guy who got ripped off by whoever used the (hacked?) John M. forum account to scam BTC, year and a half ago.
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@DE: you notice the words 'for a while' in my post ? And: do not invest in anything (except Bitcoin) for a while....do lots of research first. Don't want to scare you off, but crypto is still the Wild West, and there are some bad guys around. You have to protect yourself. No-one else will. 'For a while'......my advice was to wait and do some research, not to only invest in Bitcoin. Bitcoin is still the gateway into crypto, and a fairly reliable short term investment. I'm giving unbiased advice there, to take some time to do research before he jumps into any alt-coin, even to NXT. People need to start somewhere, and the more people using any kind of crypto, the better. Just means more NXT users in the long term.......... So, you jumped on me for one tiny point, and blew it up into something completely distorted, for no frigging reason. For the rest: Yeah, we gave the job for the www.nxt.org site to Farla for several reasons, including, but not limited to : He's a pro, and should give good results. He'll take payment in NXT for 80%..... No-one else in the community stepped up to do it, and we need a better site pronto. Lastly, on Lee: we've worked with him for a long time, as you say. He's not a scammer, imho. I've searched long and hard far any dirt on him, and all I could find is one person (possibly trolling him) from a long time ago. If you have evidence of Lee's scamminess, let's see it. All I see from Lee is lots of useful business connections, all of whom regard Lee as a mostly trustworthy guy. He did balls up TXTCoinsNow, though. I think you're just trying to have a go at the Nxt community in general, as a result of your ban from www.nxtforum.org. Don't get why you chose me in particular, but, hey, feel free. BTW: could you change the title to read something like: 'NXT Foundation/Tennessee is a Joke' or 'EvilDave has a magnificent cock' ? The Nxt marketing committee hasn't existed for over a year now, and I was never a member (Damelon was, though). |
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Enough words. Just follow Brian Kelly and do some research on him and Nautiluscoin. He could be another 'John' for all we know.
Edit: But if something bad happens, or it fails, it's on Tennessee too. It's only fair.
Yeah, BK could be anything, but he's got enough of a rep to be on CNBC, runs a reputable investment fund, and has access to enough cash to underwrite the Agistri/Nautilus project, so I'm going to take him at face value. (and, yeah, if something bad and Tennessee-related happens, it's on me. But there is a hell of a lot more to the Nxt/SuperNET ecosystem than just Tennessee) BTW; sockpuppet, moi ? TheNoticer has precisely sod-all to do with me. I have enough trouble finding time to post here under my own handle, so no socks for me. @barabass: nice to see showing such concern for the health of Nxt, mate. I get the feeling that nothing I can say will make any difference to you, so.....meh. Can't please all the people all the time. Did you like my lazy truck driver in a Lambo routine, at least ? (thanks, btcsatan) |
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I won't argue with you on this one. But hopefully all my doubts will be proven wrong.
Not sure if all of your doubts will turn out to be wrong, Toke, but myself, Damelon and the Nxt community are acting in good faith and with as much transparency as possible. We're not here to scam, and I had hoped that we'd proven that over the last 2 years....  Anyway, people are free to not like what we do, but there is no hidden agenda. We genuinely believe in Nxt and want it to be successful, that's pretty much it.  |
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Jeez...where to start ? Let's kick off with barrabas: Wait a minute... so they collected 10 million NXT and gave it to EvilDave and Dandelion to pay themselves a (part time) salary and a "marketing campaign"? Well that is just, simply funny... I mean I have heard of stupid things but this one tops everything else... until I hear of someone making Kim Kardhasian a good will ambassador of Nuns United. Wow, simply wow.
Independent of the more than relevant fact that these two are as qualified for the job as Ms. Kardhasian would be, only less so, what are the expectations of the "nomination commitee"? Number one, 10 million NXT is, roughly, 58.000 UNREALIZED dollars (assume less than half in realized, real money). Number two, these two bozos are unknowns, anonymous individuals that, obviously know absolutely nothing about PR... hence the fact that Evil here considers a fucking website "...pretty much the most important element in any Nxt marketing..." And number three: You guys have been, again, TAKEN. For a ride, that is. Evil and Dandelion will be paid for their website design -something easily obtainable gratis-, a pretty penny. The rest, their (part time) salaries. But who the fuck did ever think that this would be anything else at all? Brilliant minds, indeed.
No wonder the price of NXT continue nosediving. It is, after all, a monument to raw, pure idiocy, first and foremost. A brilliant one at that...
Here's the full thread for the Tennessee fundraiser: https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/%28marketing-business-and-development%29-the-tennessee-project-fundraiser/Next time, before you accuse people of anything , do some research: http://nxtfoundation.org/about/We're not even slightly anonymous, and both myself and Damelon (though mostly Damelon) have worked/work in marketing/PR. We're not getting paid for the website design, Farla Webmedia got the contract for that, though we will be creating much of the text/content, and that work will be covered by our amazingly generous salaries of €1500 per month (before taxes) For the rest of your diatribe....meh, no real information there On to tokeweed:What NXT should do is open up development and welcome coders build features and services and look for bugs in the system. The interest should come from the builders first and foremost. Until this happens, nothing will ever happen to NXT.
Also have the current features (there are a lot created in a short time span!) been used in a massive scale? How do you know they aren't buggy if they haven't been used in a massive scale? I'm pretty sure the problems will arise when users count in the millions... So how are you gonna market a buggy, unproven decentralized financial system to banks and corporations?
Then there's also the NXT stigma of the unfair initial distribution. I'm pretty sure the banks will be asking 'Why should we allow you to make money out of us, when we're making money out of you right now.'
Think hard about Tennessee before commiting on what direction to take it. I think the only reason why the NXT community is allowing this is because they're getting desperate. I say don't. Relax and get back to your roots. So what if you get a smaller piece of the pie. At least you get to change the world in your own capacity. That will always count for something.
Edit: And all that marketing to banks and corporations for a budget of 10m NXT... You must be kidding yourselves.
Nxt is a completely open system...anyone who wants to work with Nxt can, providing they stay true to the open source ethos. Nxt features get used, and get tested. Here's the crowd test of the upcoming CoinShuffle feature on TestNet last Sunday: https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/shuffling-sunday-!-%28testing-nrs-1-7-2e-coinshuffle-13-12-2015-%29/msg203684/#msg203684 On the banks and corporations; again, we're marketing Nxt to everyone with a project, not just to b+c. It's going to be medium to small scale businesses that drive Nxt adoption, big players will just create their own blockchains. They are welcome to license Nxt, of course........ Distribution....after 2 years, Nxt is pretty well shuffled, but you'll always have whales, in any system. Tennessee direction....TNSSE has a set mandate; to provide marketing/PR for Nxt core stuff, and to improve the user experience for Nxt adopters. We've done a lot in the 7 weeks since we started, including getting the website sorted, a helpdesk set up, PR/media contact guy has been hired...and more, including lots of talking to devs. TNSSE might not change the world, but it will improve Nxt, and whatever we do is probably better than doing nothing. 2 months ago, everyone was bitching about having no Nxt marketing, now people are bitching about having some marketing. Can't win sometimes..... This is getting to shady land. EvilDave and Damelon to support Nautiluscoin projectAt the end of an eventful weekend, we would like to end on a more positive note. ****CUT**** http://cryptolife.net/scam-alert-nautiluscoin/Who's Brian Kelly? And what's his background? Nautiluscoin is now a Nxt-based Monetary System currency, so it's essentially a coloured coin running on the Nxt blockchain. The original BCNext outline for Nxt development explicitly stated that the main value of the Nxt eco-system would eventually be in the subsidiary currencies/assets running on Nxt.....and Nautilus is the first successful example of a PoW coin migrating to Nxt. So we're supporting/helping to organise the Nautilus project. Here's all the info on the Nautilus/Agistri project: https://www.google.nl/search?q=agistri+nxtBrian Kelly is: http://www.cnbc.com/brian-kelly/http://www.briankellycapital.com/Nautilus thread from BTT: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=591114.0The Cryptolife article is pretty much completely wrong about most of it's claims. Agistri was a small-scale trial, and it worked Lastly, DE; Thanks, mate. I've done nothing but work my ass off for Nxt, and this is how you act ? Stab me in the back, why don't ya? |
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Dave,
Quick question, are the people behind Tenessee gonna bite the bullet and sell a majority of the NXT outright (may cause a further fall in price), or are they gonna hold most and sell little by little (losing value in funding BTC-wise as NXT is trending down)?
I ask because the latter was what Ethereum did reducing their war chest by 50% in USD value.
We're selling as needed, via the OnDemand service from LiquidTech: http://www.liquidtech.info/ondemandSo, yeah, little by little. So far, we've liquidated around 1 million NXT in the first 6 weeks that Tennessee has been running for, and the NXT price has remained (semi-)stable, so we're still pretty much on budget and on plan. |
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Thanks, DE....you don't think that you might be over-reacting a bit on this ? Would you like me to grab every single wet behind the ears newbie kicking and screaming into Nxt, before they even understand properly what crypto-currency is ? Sure, Nxt is f**king brilliant ( ) but ramming that message unsubtly down everyones throat as soon as they turn up on BTT isn't what I'm going to do........it's what you do, and I'm fine with that. Why don't you start a newbie welcoming committee ? And: it's not 'my' 10 million NXT in any way....that 10 million is paying for the new website, setting up the helpdesk, paying our PR guys, getting conferences organised.....lots of stuff that directly benefits Nxt, as well as paying me and Damelon a (part-time) salary. |
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Time for a swift eyeball roll and some information, though it's probably wasted on iCE and BT: Nxt roadmap has pretty much been constant: http://www.nxttechnologytree.com/over the last 2 years, with a few tweaks here and there. Nxt has always had a plan, and has gone a long way to implementing that plan. John M. was involved with Nxt for about 4-5 months almost 2 years ago, and his (supposedly) hacked forum account was involved in stealing about 50 BTC from a couple of Nxt community members. Not good, but not relevant to anything to do with Nxt technology (except to prove once again that crypto is full of scammers, and that Nxt needed to be a lot more careful about choosing external contractors) Anyway: lets move on to the fun stuff. We're testing the Nxt CoinShuffle implementation today: https://bitbucket.org/JeanLucPicard/nxt/issues/325/coin-shufflinghttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587007.msg13235179#msg13235179 Shuffling Sunday NxtForum Thread Anyone who wants to play, feel free to join in. |
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Shuffling Sunday !Come and test out the 1.7.2e CoinShuffle feature this Sunday, 13-12-2015Ladies and gentlemen: the core devs have asked me to organise some serious testing (on TestNet) for the CoinShuffle feature in NRS 1.7.2e. The target is to get as many participants into shuffles as possible, and to generally stress test and bug hunt in 1.7.2e. What else do you have to do on a Sunday, eh ? What you will need to do:Set up a TestNet node using NRS 1.7.2e Set up a TestNet account, and get some TestNXT on the account. Start your TestNet node up early on Sunday, and at 16.00 UTC, log in to your accounts and get shuffling. Leave your nodes running for as long as possible, preferably 24 hours at least. Report your experiences with the shuffle system. What you will get :The devs will give you some love, CoinShuffle will get some serious testing that we can document and use for PR. We may even find some problems and get them fixed before CoinShuffle goes live.....and the NXT Foundation/TNSSE will provide a very slightly generous bounty pot to be divided among the CoinShuffle testers. Shuffling Sunday NxtForum Thread 
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It's 10,000,000.......can you not get anything right, BT ?
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Back to the point: until Craig W. (or someone) comes up with proof that he has access to the Satoshi addresses containing the BTC pre/ninja/early-mine, there's nothing to see here.
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Bitcoin needs a leader figure like it needs a hole in the head, tbh, and I don't think any sane person would want to admit to being Satoshi N.
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If I cannot sell them, what should I do?  Put it down to experience. The first lesson is, dont involve yourself with people who publish unachievable returns. The second lesson is, if a company replies to standard business info requests, and/or requests to justify said unachievable returns, in the manner that Banx does (threats, dismissiveness, not answered, victim mentality, doxing, etc.).......run for the hills. The third lesson, is to understand the above two lessons. I have been trying days to sell my Banx but it seems that I can't ever sell them since Banx won't allow me to sell them cheaper than market price Any suggestions on how should I get rid of my Banx? Try asking Mark L for your money back. |
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As expected!  That's the reason why majority of online wallets removed NXT from their lists including Shapeshift.io It's a shame that the developers had a mere intention of dumping the coins rather than pushing it's ability a lot further.  I already smelled something fishy when they skipped the question of future road-map towards NXT! You seem to be thinking of another currency, maybe......or you're just trying to make FUD up. Here's ShapeShift, with Nxt (as of a minute ago); https://shapeshift.io/And here's a roadmap site and some roadmap discussions: http://www.nxttechnologytree.com/ [NXT] Development Discussion - The dev plan that keeps on delivering |
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