Here's a thought guys:
There's really no point in trying to argue with the investors/supporters of BlockNET or any associated coins about the shady nature of this whole thing. No matter how much proof or logic is used, they will either refuse to believe it or come up with something to disprove it because they are financially invested. It's a very strong bias. No investor will admit (at least publicly) that what they are invested in is scam/shady. It just doesn't happen.
The real goal should be to better inform the people who have not yet invested or people who are deciding whether to invest or not (i.e. the newbies or the unaware). That's really how these guys profit from their pumps anyways. At the moment, I do not have an answer of how to best achieve that. Maybe someone here has ideas.
Honestly, if the admins and mods of this forum were truly decent, they would sticky warnings about this type of stuff. Like a "must read" thread before investing and perhaps keep a running list of known/confirmed scams and/or coins and projects under questioning. But I suspect that will never happen around here.
how convenient it is of you are a SuperNET investor. If BlockNET is considered a scam, than so is the very foundations of SuperNET. I can easily dig up just as much fud about jl777 as you with the current BlockNET fiasco. XC has always remained on point with their tech and timeline, investors do expect BlockNET to release. I know you will try to discredit this by backing up your statment with FUD but that is the game of cryptos. You can call this and that a scam, but in the end of the day, SuperNET will have a competitor in BlockNET, and its quite obvious that SuperNET folks will take a stab at XC whenever they can without knowing any legitimate information. You just proved my point. I never said BlockNET was a scam. All I'm saying is the people behind it is quite shady. And it's something that newcomers need to be aware of and come to their own conclusions before they invest. Also, yes I am invested in SuperNET, but did I even mention SuperNET in my post or try to compare SuperNET to Blocknet, saying one is better than the other? I think you failed to see the point of my post. Honestly, if there wasn't so much shadiness and controversy surrounding Blocknet, I would have probably invested a little bit in it myself. shadiness... http://www.jl777scam.cok/(im not questioning the authenticity of this) its just a matter of filtering through the bullshit as best as you can, and if you cant then thats your fault Hmmmm.... the difference I'm seeing is that BlueMeanie (originator of the above jl777scam.com) spent literally weeks of his time attacking Nxt and SuperNet, going so far as to offer fairly large rewards for information. Even with all that effort......he couldn't come up with any evidence or any real support for his FUD. On the BlockNet controversy, I'm seeing a fair amount of evidence (like the chatlogs) and also a lot of sane people weighing in against BlockNet and associated currencies. XC's response to the FUD so far has also been more than a little weak.......ffs, Nxt has been under constant attack since it's inception, with a massive campaign being waged against it recently. Did Nxt shut down and run away? If BlockNet is legit, they should simply stand their ground and let the results of their work speak for themselves. Good tech and the truth will win out in the end. (and, yeah, I'm invested in SuperNet, but I also have a fairly big handful of NHZ and am running a public NHZ node, so if BlockNet does go to the moon, I'll stand to make some profit there, just for disclosure) |
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Interested.......!
@gaws....If you think that some Labatts-powered troll is griefing your beloved project, could you actually try to present some counter arguments or evidence and engage said critic in some actual debate ?
Posting big fat blank spaces doesn't really give me the feeling that you have anything useful to say. If BlockNet is the real deal, getting a FUD thread just gives you guys a chance for some free advertising, with guaranteed views.
Counter arguments to what? LOL Get serious already While you play this games on formus, I make money This new "FUDDER" job is already well known... - Yo, got a bitcointalk account? - Yeah, why? - Go FUD this project, I'll pay you! - How much? - Enough to buy you a sandwich! - DONE! You should all see yourselves  Dude: I've seen a few red flags on BlockNet and it's associated currencies, but I'm also very aware of how even legit currencies and projects can get FUDded. I'm gonna assume you have some f**king clue about my involvement with Nxt, so I'm kind of an expert on kicking FUD into touch........just present the truth to everyone. LOUDLY! Posting whitespace just makes you look like you want to hide instead of fighting to show everyone the truth. But on the other hand: was it a good sandwich? I am feeling kinda hungry..... |
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James Blocknet scam?!  SuperBlock scam? SewTaun scam? BTW: why are almost all devs (dodgy or not) called either Lee or Dan ? |
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Good that we finally have FinCEN trying to regulate altcoins. It will be harder for these kind of people to make any new shitcoins.
Wow...when I read that, my "writer's bug" went into overdrive. I know the full-bore libertarians and ancaps won't like the following, but the proliferation and durability of scamcoins do show how unready we are for economic liberty. (Confession: I'm very much part of the "we.") We came in here with habits resulting from us being sheltered by the protective and controlling Regulatory State, and those habits have been a lot harder to break than rationalists would have us believe. We came in here, protected in normal life by the Regulatory State, and we thought we were shrewd...only to find that we were sheltered. Again, I'm very much part of the "we." Here's a word-to-the-wise glimpse of the kind of smarts needed to thrive in a completely unregulated economy, courtesy of the early Benjamin Graham from the tail-end of the laissez-faire days. When he started off teaching security analysis he said flatly that if you have your eyes on a capital gain - any amount of capital gain - you are a speculator. You're not an investor until you keep your eye on income and the avoidance of capital losses (i.e., safety.) That's a glimpse of the kind of habitual hard-headedness needed to make your way in laissez-faire. By the normal standard of those days, we are living in an Age of Fools - or an Age of Recklessness. Here's another quick glimpse: back in the laissez-faire days, lotteries - and even gambling - were considered immoral by mainstream opinion. Period. Back in those days, "quick buck artists" were considered shady, or at the very minimum contemptible because they set a bad example. It's been one heckuva field test we've been living through: an all-out field test of the anarcho-capitalist ideal. Sadly, one of the results of this here field test is that we're far more creatures of habit - Regulatory-State-inculcated habit - that we realized. (Once again, I'm very much part of the "we.") The only people who've emerged unscathed are those who are suspicious by nature: the ones who take red flags far more seriously than most of us. tl;dr: In this day and age, it's too early to implement the ancap ideal. We have a lot of habits - lost except to specialized histories and historical snippets here and there - to build up before we're ready for laissez-faire. And the irony of it is, Bitcoin's sudden success actually cut us off from the amount of time we need to discover and cultivate those habits of hard-headedness. + 10, mate. Whatever it's faults, the crypto-scene is an amazing social experiment in action. Back in the 19th century we had the Gold Rushes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_rushAnd it's amazing how closely the crypto world resembles those Gold Rushes. Round about now (one year after a major gold discovery/Bitcoin rise) is the moment the cops/sherriff/Mounties are gonna ride into our boomtown and clean it up, hopefully chasing most of the bad guys out of town, but making it in the process a very much more boring and restrictive place. I'm a slightly dedicated anarchist, and it saddens me pisses me off that so many people can't deal with the personal responsibilities that freedom from law brings. |
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I think the NXT loser miss you eh LOL
You need to do a refresh of trading advice on how to avoid NXT me thinks.
It's pretty simple, Spoetnik: Don't buy any. See how simple that was ? Of course, you'd then be missing out on one of the most stable, long-running, thriving, sorted and scam-free 2nd generation cryptos, but no worries, ey? Nxt is gonna be one year old soon, might be party time. You and kolin are, ofc, invited, but wtf is he? Someone said he'd got perma-banned, but no more detail than that. |
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cue sales pitch
NXT is cool as far as minimal protocols go, however I can't find a client besides the java one (which is obviously not embeddable). Is there sourcecode for nxtsolaris somewhere? Ummm....probably. If you're serious about this, I can chase some devs up for you. Marcus03 was the dev for NxtSolaris: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=201588but (AFAIK) he hasn't had a chance to update it recently. I suggest you post your needs here: https://nxtforum.org/general/Most of the nxt devs are to be found there, and we're a friendly bunch mostly. |
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A comment by pookieklax (who the XC guys despise and have "banned") caught my eye. I don't know why he didn't post that comment earlier when he was in the know and it could save a lot of people continuing to fall for all the scams that Metcalf is involved in. halcyondev = https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=367138atcsecure = https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=88818Apparently atcsecure did a review (lmao) of the HAL coin which was using some component of the XC shitcoin. Only they are apparently the same person which one can easily find by comparing the posting style, format etc. pookie knew this but never said anything up until today and posted in the XC thread which was deleted within seconds. I am convinced that all the other shitcoins of this Blocknet shit is also same group seeing as some of them have also being "reviewed". A detailed XC thread needs to be started which explains all the charades these guys have been playing since the launch of XC. Surprised no one knows the story behind xc. Hint: Not all that legit. Interested.......! @gaws....If you think that some Labatts-powered troll is griefing your beloved project, could you actually try to present some counter arguments or evidence and engage said critic in some actual debate ? Posting big fat blank spaces doesn't really give me the feeling that you have anything useful to say. If BlockNet is the real deal, getting a FUD thread just gives you guys a chance for some free advertising, with guaranteed views. |
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Can't decide whether to puke or drool  |
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somebody owes me a new scroll wheel.....
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The mods have perma banned me and threatened to have the forum guy ban me from btctalk if I post there again. Just didn't think it was worth a possible account ban to keep yelling at the top of my lungs at the hodlers who like to abuse me yep......get a warning, get your head down. No point banging your head against the brick wall of one of BTTs very few rules. Heres a Spoetnik quote, just in case anyone missd it first time round:
People out there you get it yet ?
HOW MANY times do you have to be told there are groups here fucking you over time after time ?
I think some of you don't want to believe facts when they are shown to you and choose to play cheerleader games.
You are all being told this kind of stuff for a reason.. and not it is not to destroy some coin it is to get you guys to smarten up and watch your ass around here.
I get it you all want to make money but rewarding the sleazy pieces of shit here with your support time after time is not helping things.
For me, I'm open to being accused of FUDding BlockNet (as I'm both invested in and doing some work for SuperNet).....but shits not looking very good, tbh. (BTW: I'm also a fairly large NHZ holder, and I do believe NHZ to be a reasonably legit project) |
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Cool beans...not a big Quark lover, but any step into the mainstream (by any reasonably sane crypto) is a good thing.
Nice one, Quark dudes!
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If you need a blockchain implementation....use Nxt. You can easily create and asset/colored coin using eithe the Nxt AE or the upcoming Monetary System, so it's pretty much a complete package ready to go. Nxt gets loads of stupid FUD on BTT, if you believe even half the BS round here then Nxt is Satan itself, but that's actually untrue, funnily enough. I'd suggest that you take a good look at the main Nxt community forum: www.nxtforum.orgEven if you have issues with investing in Nxt, everything is open source, and you won't need to make any heavy monetary investment to get a closed Nxt-based system up and running. The Nxt devs (+community) will be happy to answer any questions or give you some help. Just for the last bit of shameless Nxt advertising: pretty soon, the Nxt blockchain will have been running stably and securely for a year ! Happy birthday, us! Currently the Nxt network has an average of 270-290 active nodes at any one time, with approximately 2500 nodes in use. |
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from reading your post
summary:
NXT is a scam, and not to throw valuable bitcoins or time at it.
well most know this already but thanks for explaining it to the uninformed.
hey Frank, listen I had to go though unbelievable levels of BS due to these NXT people and in particular jl777. My story deserves to be heard. I had someone asking me a day or so ago if I have a murder record. I have no criminal record at all and I would never do something like that. Edward DeLeon Hickman not only defamed me for payment, he continued to do it. agreed and you need to come back and dish out some more spankings because these scammers have shifted from one scam coin back to NXT again. they are pushing a new wallet and trying to do some advertising (and Trolling) and i think the public deserves to know about their scammy bullshit ! The whole team of devs and bag holders from NXT are lying thieving back stabbing crypto-terorists !I know where you are headed. and i completely agree with what you wrote among the lines there. I would not be surprised that they are behind Moolah also. Did you know that a team of hardcore Nxt time-commandos travelled back to 2001 in order to set up 9/11 ? And, you remember those Kennedy dudes ?...yeah, that was us. Come and check out Nxt's other evil plans at: www.nxtforum.orgI think we're planning on staging a zombie apocalypse sometime next week, so buy lots of NXT. The undead are scared of Nxt..... The only unbelievable levels of bullshit round here are the amazing accusations against Nxt. It's a fucking crypto-currency, not the Illuminati. |
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You're mixing up Lin and Dom P, Spoetnik, with Twins help.... Lin is freeworm: https://nxtforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1673Owner/operator/CEO of BTER. He started negotiations with the hacker, but made a slight mess of it. Dom P : https://nxtforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=554Upstanding Nxt comunity member....and the guy who took over most of the negotiating from Lin, and got most of the NXT back. Don't forget, everyone was shitting multi-coloured bricks during the whole event, so some details are always gonna be a bit hazy, no matter how wonderful your memory is. Dom P is a security dude, and a big holder of NXT on BTER.....so his getting involved ain't exactly strange. Come clean about what, btw? This topic has been done to death in the last 3 months, there's nothing more to find, except the identity of the hacker. Find him/her/it, you'll be on for a tasty reward..... Want a kitten? I got a few left, mustards running out though. EDIT: This is what a scam looks like: https://bitcomsec.true.io/bitcomsec/tracking-a-bitcoin-thief-cryptorush-hack/ |
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Heres a swift kick...good work, guys.
EDIT: Just spent a long time reading, the lesson I think we should ALL take away from this (and other hacks/thefts) are:
Do not re-use passwords. Make a new password for every platform that asks.
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Raw....with a little mustard, of course.
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Hi thank you for input, you actually added some value to this thread. I didn't meant NXT is scam (I don't now much about NXT to say that) but that Manglaviti performed something dirty on NXT. But as you wish, I will change NXT to Cointropolis instead  Thanks, man. I'm just being a bit over-sensitive on the Cointropolis/Nxt thing. Nxt has had loads of FUDding about it, even though the scammer actually targeted Bitcoin using the good old 'amazing investment opportunity' routine and netted something like 50 BTC from members of the Nxt community. Here's the original scam thread: https://nxtforum.org/news-and-announcements/incredible-opportunity!/ Please note that I'm not at all certain about who the f**k was being most scammed here. The whole 'my account got hacked' excuse is getting thin by now, but John probably stood to gain a lot more from playing legitimate Nxt PR dude than by pulling this scam....and he was in mid-Atlantic at the time. One thing is almost certain, though: this job was pulled by someone inside the Nxt community, not some random drive-by hacker. |
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Isn't it too late to do that temporary roll back or whatever?
That means it is too late for NXT as well. I wonder what the hacker will do, manipulate the market or sell off.
LaudaM, you love to spread your shit all over the forum. I didnt read yet any comment from you that shows a minimum of intelligence. Although you know that the hacker gave back most of the NXT to Bter, you continue spreading FUD and lies....  How much did they give back? I heard they got back the 5 million. Anything else did they get back? the hacker gave back 42M of the 50M NXT to BTER in exchange for 330btc(440btc total) that was given by BTER. Hacker left before the last 8M NXT was given back, but that won't hurt NXT anywhere near as the 45M NXT that was stolen. Hacker "thesir" stated he believed in NXT and would hold it at least a year, before thinking of selling. what ? you said.. "the hacker gave back 42M of the 50M NXT to BTER in exchange for 330btc(440btc total) that was given by BTER." 330 or 440 Bitcoins paid to the hacker ? WOW ! i bet a whole lot MORE hackers are busy digging for exploits right now LOL they can prob already smell that pay check ahhaha BTER i am assuming you have been honest with us over what happened so i feel bad for you guys.. sorry to hear about you troubles  If i hear anything of use to you guys i will pass it along to you although i am not actively hunting for a hacker though. Good luck BTER ! Yup. we've been here before, kids. This is Spoetnik in this thread from August 17....... |
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