Prove that capitalism won't cook us all to death first.
Proving negatives is fun.
Solar energy, geothermal, nuclear , wind, etc Car emission rates have been declining with new and more sophisticated models coming out, especially hybrid cars or electric cars.
Your turn, tell me how a leftist "utopia" wont become totalitarian, or violent. Communists dont believe in private property, therefore they will steal from those that do, and theft to my knowledge always happens with force and violence. That's not proof of anything, just a haphazard list of potential energy sources and car facts. A knowledgeable person would understand that energy production and transportation is merely a fraction of the climate change problem. Try again. |
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You're not familiar with a resource based economy but you've been trying to debate against it for a while now. Whence the double standard?
You have to prove first that a leftist economy wont become totalitarian, like every single leftist regime that has existed over the course of humanity. Then we can debate the RBE. Because everything too good on paper turns out evil in reality. Prove that capitalism won't cook us all to death first. Proving negatives is fun. |
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Are you kidding? Whoever owns the controlling stake of an enterprise (sometimes it is even below 50%) appoints its top management, be it state, a private investor or an investment group. There is no such thing as private management unless the management themselves have the controlling stake...
Whether this management is up to the task is another matter
I`m not going to debate the corporate structures because i`m not that familiar with it.However if it's a government appointed CEO and director board, then it might not be as efficient than a private one, because it will be subject to international politics influence and other political decisions. They might decide to embargo 1 country from exports, politically, wheareas this would be a poor decision from economic point of view. You're not familiar with a resource based economy but you've been trying to debate against it for a while now. Whence the double standard? |
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Everyone will die under capitalism. It will spare no one.
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My halving day wish is that theymos ends his censorious bullshit.
Satoshi hear our prayers!
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You complain about the historical actions of tyrants but neglect to understand the tremendous suffering, death and destruction wrought by the modern monetary system and the inevitable global consequences of our insane over consumption and pollution, incentivized by the profit motive. If you cared about humans, you'd care about learning how we can live in peace and balance with our environment No pants and diapers - let'em crap in the woods like nature intended, right? It would be unsustainable given human population and density. There are technical solutions to such common human problems. We need only choose to pursue them. |
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You complain about the historical actions of tyrants but neglect to understand the tremendous suffering, death and destruction wrought by the modern monetary system and the inevitable global consequences of our insane over consumption and pollution, incentivized by the profit motive. If you cared about humans, you'd care about learning how we can live in peace and balance with our environment.
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http://panamapapers.sueddeutsche.de/articles/56febff0a1bb8d3c3495adf4/About the Panama Papers Over a year ago, an anonymous source contacted the Süddeutsche Zeitung (SZ) and submitted encrypted internal documents from Mossack Fonseca, a Panamanian law firm that sells anonymous offshore companies around the world. These shell firms enable their owners to cover up their business dealings, no matter how shady.
In the months that followed, the number of documents continued to grow far beyond the original leak. Ultimately, SZ acquired about 2.6 terabytes of data, making the leak the biggest that journalists had ever worked with. The source wanted neither financial compensation nor anything else in return, apart from a few security measures.
The data provides rare insights into a world that can only exist in the shadows. It proves how a global industry led by major banks, legal firms, and asset management companies secretly manages the estates of the world’s rich and famous: from politicians, Fifa officials, fraudsters and drug smugglers, to celebrities and professional athletes. One day you will learn that all politics are immersed in corruption in the context of the monetary system. Please investigate a resource based economy.
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Nothing is fair in a monetary market system.
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Capitalism is what enables fascism.
Guns are what enable murder? Its that capitalism is a tool, depends how it is used. Capitalism in it's core it's blank, it's only if you fill it with unethical practices and uncompetitiveness, is when it's dangerous. If you leave the sheep to be guarded by wolfs , then its bad. If competitiveness is maximal, and power is balanced, then I dont see any harm with it. You can have murder without guns. You can't have fascism without capitalism. |
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I'd like to think of us more as a blank canvas, we can do good things and bad things. If we are bad at the moment of birth there really is no point we might aswell all top ourselves as RBE wont save us either way.
Perhaps our mind is a blank canvas,but not our genetics, we behave in a certain way because we evolved for millions of years to fit this enviroment. And all the emotions and irrational behaviour that humans show are actually making a sense, but only from biological standpoint, and not rational. I dont think humans can be 100% reprogrammed to become better, but with real education, they may show signs of improvement.
Capitalism destroys and pollutes the real environment we all share and depend on for the imaginary and temporary profit of a few.
That aspect of it can be changed if you remove the corporate shield, that aristrocrats put in place in the 19th century. Capitalism (in a very primitive and opressed form) existed since the ancient times, but pollution only started since corporations were born. And that my friend is no longer capitalism, it's called fascism. Capitalism is what enables fascism. |
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Everyone.
And how is capitalism extorting everyone? Capitalism is about creation not about destruction, so I`m confused about this. Capitalism destroys and pollutes the real environment we all share and depend on for the imaginary and temporary profit of a few. |
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Capitalism is extortion.
Who is the victim? Everyone. |
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Everything we feared about communism has come true under capitalism. Prisoners are forced to work for corporations for basically free. Rights, freedoms and liberties are stripped away from people with regularity. The disparity of wealth grows every with every passing moment. The environment and climate become more inhospitable to human life every year. Nothing about capitalism will help humanity thrive. All the big fonts and code blocks in the world won't change that. Appeals to a flawed human nature are absurd. Your naked desire to keep people ignorant and enslaved to a system of death and destruction is contemptible and your ignorant and dishonest ravings are abhorrent. One day soon, I hope knowledge replaces your fear.
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Capitalists aren't humans, nor even animals. They are machines dedicated to destroying everything that enables life. They endeavor in such a way as to extract illusory and imaginary profit from their environment. They are very dangerous and have nearly doomed us to an inhospitable and uninhabitable planet. They should be stopped as soon as possible.
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I can't say I regret my decision. Theymos doesn't kneel, he doesn't sacrifice and is willing to stand up for what HE believes to be true, rather than some external authority. I hold r/Bitcoin would be coddled into a cult of personality worshipping Gavin Andresen without I purposely picking Theymos for the role he has. Would I do exactly what Theymos is doing if I was still addicted to Bitcoin and moderating that hellhole? Nope but I endorse his self-esteem and I endorse the idea of 90% of r/Bitcoin leaving its subreddit and creating new realms of thought. This is I taking responsibility for what I can take responsibility for: Enabling Theymos to be doing what he is currently doing. No, if I did it over again I would not have gave the subreddit to a developer zealot. I would probably give it to Theymos every time because I do not know a more committed person that has a truly spiritual interest in the community. Again, would I do exactly what he is doing? Nope but it is his now and I accept such in great pride. Keep on showing this community who it is through this catalyst. ---- Email me at chairman@vervex.ca if you like art and truly silent meditation. No, I don't have bitcoins anymore but I monitor it. For someone who believes in liberty so much, you sure do lick the heels of that tyrant well. |
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So as you know i`m an intellectual  What you refuse to understand is that there is no free market, there never has been and there never can be. It is the free market that is a fairy tale, told to the masses by charlatans and predators to steal and rob them blind while trashing the planet in the process. Many people are beginning to question and produce alternatives to the monetary market system, which has the charlatans and predators very scared. And they are right to be scared because they are ignorant of the possibilities. They do not know that the world would be a better place for them too. That the stresses and pressures they feel will also go away when everyone lives in a sane and rational economy. But since they've never known anything but the false religion of money, that's all they can think about and push on others. One day soon though, we will all have to decide whether to do away with money, or let money do away with us. |
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Greetings, I was very excited to learn about the Bitcoin currency several months ago, and I am very pleased to see it growing. I am part of an organization called the Zeitgeist Movement, who advocates a resource based economy. We are interested in seeing a radical redesign of society and an associated shift in values. We understand that the major cause of human suffering today is the current monetary system and the warped values and corrupt behavior inherent in its implementation. We know that we can provide food, water, shelter and a highly technological life style to every one on the planet if we chose to do so. What generally prevents us from doing so is the idea of money, which paralyzes us as a society, in terms of technological advancement, quality of education and healthcare, and a sick culture that encourages us to be competitive and cruel to our fellow human beings. Knowing and understanding the underlying mechanics of a monetary system is fundamental to not being abused by it. Currently, the vast majority of people are unaware of the destructive and unfair nature of our current fractional reserve banking system, and that makes them vulnerable to all the abuses we see today. Poverty, war, crime and hunger are the result of inequitable economic practices, and will not significantly change until we end or significantly alter our subservience to this and associated institutions. I believe Bitcoin would make for an ideal transition currency until a full RBE can be implemented. An RBE is basically the realization that there are no arbitrary restrictions on reality. Being bound to the imaginary rules of a monetary game, we limit how much we can accomplish and provide for each other. If we declared all of the earth's resources as common heritage for all the world's people, and used the methods of science to construct and provide all of life's necessities for all people, then there would be considerable reduction in hunger, crime, war and poverty, not to mention unnecessary suffering due to lack of access of medical care or inadequate educational opportunities. If people were given all that were necessary to survive, they could devote themselves to the benefit of all man kind. These would be the values of a resource based economy, not the competitive and acquisitive value based behavior we see today. I encourage you to learn more about these ideas if they interest you. I hope to support the bitcoin system as long as I am able, and I hope to see it become a dominant and thriving ecosystem in the months and years to come. Thank you for your time and attention. I think a radical redesign of society and an associated shift in values is impossible. Money is a necessity for us to live. Every other species lives without money. The vast majority of human history and prehistory, we have lived without money. You are incorrect. |
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