Yes I was surprised to learn this recently, and actually those early transactions are from his personal friend to his personal accounts and he decided to use that address for CFS. In any case, anyone feeling charitable is certainly welcome to contribute to a good cause. This is an effort sympathetic to the Zeitgeist Movement and a resource based economy. |
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http://www.cyberfarmsystems.com is now actively soliciting Bitcoin donations. They are trying to feed the world through innovative use of technology. I have been asking then go accept Bitcoin for a long time and they've finally done it!
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Wish I could make it out there. I'll be happy to celebrate the day when we abandon the concept of money all together though.
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How big can the precious numbers market possibly be?
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...but it's all a pump and ponzi pyramid dump scheme!...
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Bitcoin, being as near perfect a money as man has yet created, will succeed only when we recognize just how useless and backwards money really is and abandon the concept entirely.
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I couldnt stand thro the garbage spew out by Peter after 10min of watching.
The idiot doesnt understand bitcoin, i'm sure he tried to but its hard when hes followed Gold religion.
All money is a religion. |
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Probably the same as you did, engaging in the eco-genocidal death spiral of capitalism. Because I didn't know any better. I may have to one day. Undoubtedly, but unfortunately no one can survive all on their own.
What if society itself is actually the ideal venus project central computer? Want a house? Call a home building expert. Want food? Go to restaurant. Imagine that. Maybe your central computer can make a burger like five guys, but I doubt it, since the 5 guys would be lounging on the beach all day in the venus project world instead of figuring out how to program a computer to make great burgers. WE are the experts, so we call on EACHOTHER to do things that we can't do ourselves.  Unfortunately, we tossed physical slavery a while ago, and slavery to a central computer isn't much better, so the only catch is that you'll have to get off your ass develop some skills of your own, or have someone else support you with their skills. It all boils down to the fact that life requires work to stay alive, and to suggest that it's anyone's responsibility but your own is to endorse slavery, be it to other humans or a central computer. We are all slave to physical reality, whether we recognize it or not. |
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Actually I would give away my stuff but I cannot because I must pay to live, so I am forced to accept money in trade or die in the streets.
How did you get the stuff in the first place? Why did you work to get stuff if you're just going to give it away? Why not work to find your own food, clothes, and shelter? Surely there are better hunters, clothes manufacturers, and home builders, but you're free to do it without that "forced voluntary trade" you talk about. Probably the same as you did, engaging in the eco-genocidal death spiral of capitalism. Because I didn't know any better. I may have to one day. Undoubtedly, but unfortunately no one can survive all on their own. |
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I am forced to engage in "voluntary trade" with others, each of us seeking to gain advantage over the other in order to obtain more than what is being offered by the counter party, a form of mental combat.
Actually by definition, "voluntary trade" always benefits both parties. You provide a service that I value more than these bitcoins (which I received for my unique service), and you value these bitcoins more than the time and effort it takes to provide your service. Win/Win. Otherwise it would be coercive / involuntary trade - which is what we have today in many areas (healthcare, taxation, subsidies, etc.) Actually I would give away my stuff but I cannot because I must pay to live, so I am forced to accept money in trade or die in the streets. |
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I don't "hate" capitalism, I understand it and am pointing out its absurdity.
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I'm selling a motherboard!
I see you're selling a motherboard. It's free right? Under RBE, there is no currency and the price of everything is $0 and requires a central planner. I have contacted the central planner and we have established that I could use the motherboard, and you obviously don't need it since you're trying to sell it. Men with guns will come to pickup the motherboard from you in the morning. I wish we were living in an RBE right now, but as it is, I must advertise unwanted goods in my possession to others who might be interested via the unfettered chaos of the "free market" and since I am forced to compete with others for the basic necessities of life by an invalid economic monetary game, I am forced to engage in "voluntary trade" with others, each of us seeking to gain advantage over the other in order to obtain more than what is being offered by the counter party, a form of mental combat. Or, you know, capitalism. |
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Person A: This string of bits is worth more pieces of worthless paper!
Person B: This shiny rock is worth more pieces of worthless paper!
Person A: At least we can agree that these pieces of paper are worthless!
Person B: Yes, but we all know that we must use those worthless pieces of paper to live.
A and B: CAPITALISM!
 I don't "hate" capitalism, I understand it and am pointing out its absurdity. |
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And still no details. Nothing about how it will actually work, or how to transition to such a system  By the way, do you know Peter Joseph personally? It will work by working with nature instead of against it. I do not. |
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Person A: This string of bits is worth more pieces of worthless paper!
Person B: This shiny rock is worth more pieces of worthless paper!
Person A: At least we can agree that these pieces of paper are worthless!
Person B: Yes, but we all know that we must use those worthless pieces of paper to live.
A and B: CAPITALISM!
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It's a sad state of affairs when we have to argue which is worth more, a shiny rock or a string of bits. Let's investigate a resource based economy. |
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LightRider's idea of capitalism makes me think of trying to defend the idea that all sex should be banned, because while some people may be having sex for lovemaking or procreation, sex also involves rape, and rape is apparently just as much a part of lovemaking as everything else is.
In this case, making love, the voluntary exchange, is capitalism, and rape, which may have the same result (procreation, or in other sense profit), is corporatism and plunder. I and other pro-capitalists here are doing the equivalent of trying to point out that sex, and making love, has many uses and is the best way to progress forward, while Lightrider is doing the equivalent of saying that rape and making love are all the same thing, and that sex should be completely abolished.
Madness!
Now you're just trolling. I for one, already pointed out several times that trade is mostly not voluntary. Neither is sex. We either have sex, or our species dies out. So let's ban sex, along with all it's involuntary coersion and rape and stuff *trollface*  Capitalism will kill us sooner than sex will. |
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