Opcja c. Binance sam skupuje BNB, żeby kurs za nisko nie spadał. Zmniejszony tydzień temu limit wypłat dla kont niezweryfikowanych do 0.06 BTC też nie wróży dobrze. Kolejne kroki to pełne KYC dla wszystkich wypłat i spowiadanie się skąd ma się każdego satoshiego.
Oni zarabiają głównie w BNB. Raczej mało kto nie używa BNB do redukcji fee. A już na pewno nie duzi market makerzy dla ktorych redukcja fee to miliony oszczędności, a którzy stanowią większość wolumenu. Poza tym wątpię, by chwilowe podtrzymywanie kursu przy 300$, przy sporym ryzyku końca hossy i korekty całego rynku o kolejne 70% ma sens. Jakby faktycznie było gorąco, upadek binance blisko, plus niepewna przyszłość całego rynku to insiderzy by wyprzedawali a nie wykupywali, a kurs szorowałby już przy 60$. 0.06 BTC przyznam, że to faktycznie mało, ale znam giełdę, która jest zarejestrowana w USA i maja limit 4k$, czyli zbliżony, a i tak wymagają podania danych osobowych, bez pełnego KYC - bez wysyłania skanów dowodu. Mówią, że był to wymóg, który musieli spełnić i który muszą pilnować. "Kolejne kroki to pełne KYC dla wszystkich wypłat i spowiadanie się skąd ma się każdego satoshiego." - niestety ale to jedyna droga do bycia w pełni uregulowanym podmiotem. Exante - uregulowany broker do obrotu akcjami wymaga pełnego KYC, z dowodem zamieszkania i przelewem 10k euro z rachunku bankowego, którego jesteś właścicielem byś ... mógł zobaczyć wykresy  Dodatkowo musisz poświadczyć skąd masz te środki (jak je zarobiłeś) i zastrzegają sobie prawo do konfiskaty jeśli wyjdzie, że pochodzą z przestępstwa. Niestety ale taka będzie droga uregulowanych Cexów, nie ma powodów dla których Cexy miałyby mieć łatwiej niż brokerzy. Jedyna droga dla cexów, które chcą się rozwijać a nie być spychanym do podziemi ... nieuregulowane cexy też będą, ale będą mieć odcinane bramki wyjścia do fiatów (a niedługo będzie to jedyny powód używania cexów, resztę wyprą pewnie dexy) i ścigane pod najgłubszymi pretekstami. |
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First, your math is wrong. It would take you 20 years to lose 40k on 200k at this inflation rate, but if you had the $200k 20 years ago, you already would have bought the house and not experienced the inflation loss. Which is my whole point. Who holds $200k in cash for 20 years? Nobody, because if you do that you're not very smart.
My math is correct. 20% in 10 years from 200k= 40k, not in 20 years! I was describing 20 years period. So if you started with 0 ended with 200k after 20 years you hold 100k on average - 40% in inflation during 20 year period = 40k. Situation when you started saving when you were 25 and buying house when you are 45. thats not an uncommon situation. Then the math is correct, the logic is wrong. If you need $200k to buy the house, then you buy the house when you have $200k. So you wouldn't have $200k when you're 25 and then wait 20 years to buy the house for $200k and you wouldn't suffer $40k of inflationary losses. If you are trying to save $200k and it takes you 20 years to do it, your actual losses are significantly less, because it takes you 20 years to get to that point. You're calculating it as if you have $200k from the start but for some reason wait 20 years to spend it. You're so focused on the inflation rate you're ignoring the impracticality of people holding vast amounts of cash for decades at a time, which they don't do. You're arguing against a hypothetical situation that doesn't practically exist in the real world. You still dont get it. When you started with 0 and have 200k after 20 years you hold 100k on average dont you? And I take this 100k into calculation. 40% from 100k = 40k To end this nonsense calculation discussion: When you start with 0. Save 10k$ annually. Than you hold 10k for 19 years, another 10k for 18 years (20k in bank account), another 10k for 17 years (30k in bank account)... another 10k for 1 year (190k in bank account). This sum up to ~40k lost in inflation. "of people holding vast amounts of cash for decades at a time, which they don't do" Because they desperately tries to run from inflation. Buying things they dont need. Investing without proper education. Give people fair interest rates - much higher than inflation and people will stop buying 5th house. Will save money in bank account for son, grandson. This ignores the fact that you're arguing that 2% annually is too risky to accept but ignores the fact that the likelihood of being down many times more than this in any given day with bitcoin is several hundred times higher, if not more.
It was 2%. Now its 5% in US. 3-10% in europe. Average lifespan of currency is 27 years. In my country (central europe) last time people lost all their fiat savings in 1995. After hyperinflation and redenomination. While BTC had only 1 red year and is the most asymmetrical deal in the history. Means that if your goal is diversification and safety ... 5% in BTC is a must have. And don't say about intra day volatility. This dont matter. Answer a question. Where will be your 10k$ of present purchasing power after 50 years. Somewhere around 1 familly dinner. Where will it be invested in BTC? 0 (you are 1 familly dinner short) or 1 mln$? I agree. Not worth to put there 5% of your wealth? |
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Straszny FUD wylewa się na binance. Praktycznie codziennie jakiś zły news. Praktycznie codziennie jakieś państwo nakłada jakieś zakazy/sankcje/nagany. Ostatnio najpowazniejsze wydaje mi się to:
"We're continually evaluating our products and working with our partners to meet our users’ needs.
Today we’re announcing that we plan to wind down our derivatives products offerings across the European region, commencing with the Netherlands, Germany, and Italy."
Co dziwne ... kurs ciągle się umacnia, a ostatnimi dniami umacnia się nawet w stosunku do BTC - 0.0076 do 0.0082. Czyżby inwestorzy byli zaślepieni nie dostrzegając zmasowanego ataku na lidera krypto? Czy może wyprzedają się do silnych rąk wiedzących, że piepszenie z Malezi nie ma znaczenia, bo już karty zostały rozłożone i binance za kilka lat będzie NASDAQiem krypto? Ciężko mi powiedzieć.
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First, your math is wrong. It would take you 20 years to lose 40k on 200k at this inflation rate, but if you had the $200k 20 years ago, you already would have bought the house and not experienced the inflation loss. Which is my whole point. Who holds $200k in cash for 20 years? Nobody, because if you do that you're not very smart.
My math is correct. 20% in 10 years from 200k= 40k, not in 20 years! I was describing 20 years period. So if you started with 0 ended with 200k after 20 years you hold 100k on average - 40% in inflation during 20 year period = 40k. Situation when you started saving when you were 25 and buying house when you are 45. thats not an uncommon situation. Second, -20% in 10 years is appropriate for an asset that is ]designed to slowly depreciate over time. Compare that to bitcoin which loses 20% in less than a week on a regular basis and there's no comparison.
Dolar is losing in value ... only. Bitcoin is mainly gaining. If you only don't shit your pents seing -5% 5min candle, relax, zoom out you will see that bitcoin had only 1 red year!: From 2013 to 2014: $94 -> $600 (538%)
From 2014 to 2015: $600 -> $292 (48%)
From 2015 to 2016: $292 -> $624 (113%)
From 2016 to 2017: $624 -> $2,700 (332%)
From 2017 to 2018: $2,700 -> $8,100 (200%)
From 2018 to 2019: $8,100 -> $10,100 (24%)
From 2019 to 2020: $10,100 -> $10,900 (7.9%)
From 2020 to 2021: $10,900 -> $40,000 (266%)
Third, the handcuffs on macro economic prosperity created by the gold standard is much greater than the current system, which is why the world changed. I'll take the current system over the former 100 out of 100 times.
Elites strive for the greatest possible power over a crowd of sheeps. Thats why world changed. |
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That's really irrelevant for all practical purposes because people don't hold cash for 100 years, so nobody suffers the inflation rate this chart shows. Anyone with significant assets have their wealth in assets other than cash; equities, real estate, alternative investments, etc.
 https://wolfstreet.com/2018/06/12/dollars-purchasing-power-drops-2-9-in-may-from-year-ago/-20% in 10 years No one hold cash that long? So if you were about to buy a house from your own savings (not using a mortgage) ... saved 200k$ in 20 years ... you just lost 40k on inflation ... The present system puts handcuffs on our hands. It makes us unable to go beyond a certain level. If you have 1 mln $ on your bank account you are paying 4000$ monthly in devaluation of your savings ... If you earn 6k$ monthly, spend 2k$ monthly on everyday spendings, rest 4k covers inflation ... that's pretty much your limit. You will not have more than 1 mln$ in present purchasing power. And the dollar will never suffer the type of volatility that bitcoin suffers on a daily basis, so how bitcoin is going to be a "safe haven" for inflation when it has greater price volatility than the USD by several hundred times is something that bitcoin maximalists never have an answer for.
Gold pumped 2x in 10 months. Dumped 20% right after. Is gold a bad safe haven because its more volatile than dollar? no because dollar continusly goes to 0. Short term volatility does change anything. |
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No, I don't think he thinks he is smart. He sounds quite humble. He always uses "What I believe it is more likely.." and similar sentences to make his predictions.
Morover, the difference in nuance between deflation and disinflation does not invalidate his argument.
When inflation drops from 10% to 5% we have disinflation but prices still goes up. Just a little bit slower. During deflation prices goes down. May we see disinflation in next few years? It is possible. Will we see deflation? I dont think so. And when he shows disinflation on chart and call it deflation and based on this he assumes that we will see deflation .. it invalidate his argument.  Paper mark after WW1. They also had moments of disinflation, 2 years with 0 inflation, even moments of short term deflation. But in total after 5 years all savings were devaluated. What about recesion argument? Adam Fergusson in "When money dies" book describe a situation when a group of protesting people tore a policeman off his horse to kill the horse and tear off pieces of meat in the middle of the square to have something to eat. I agree that fiats wont collapse in 1 day. We may see a inflation of 5-10% for 2 years. Then disinflation for another 2-3 years. And than massive inflation for another 2 years. Short term disinflation or even few months of deflation does not change the fact that being bullish on fiats is not the best idea. Being bullish on this chart:  -95% in 100 years. He brings DXY chart saying that as long as DXY chart looks good, he is bullish on dollar. Well inflation is not only US problem. Its all around the globe. Everyone prints. USD crash will not end in America. Whole word will crash because USD is a reserve currency and, what is also important ... almost every asset is evaluated and mostly traded against dollar (starting from gold, bitcoin, silver, oil, wheat, gas ... everything) Excessive strengthening of the currency in relation to other currencies affects the economy of the country and its competitiveness in many industries. So gouvements wants its money to be as bad as others. So if few big prints because they need to, others print because they have to. So DXY chart has nothing to do with inflation. He bring japan that fight with deflation saying that it is printing a lot since decade. M2 money supply in japan pumped by 20% in 10 years. M2 money supply in US pumped 20 % in 7 months... from 02.20 to 09.20 ... so what are we talking about here. |
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Oh... This guy is smarter than anyone ... predict deflation ... wihtout knowing what deflation is? on this picture we had 1 deflation in 2009. All this drops are not deflation. Its disinflation (decrease of inflation) ... not deflation. So if he bets on short term disiflation ... i can agree with that but I would not expect long term deflation. In a recession or a depression, the banks usually cut the supply of credits. We have to bear in mind that for inflation to ocurr we need and increase in the supply of credits. Do banks like to lend money to people during a recession? No. They know people are more likely to default and not pay them back. In those kinds of situations (recessions and depressions) they reduce the supply of credits, they make it more difficult for people to borrow and that kind of action causes falling prices.
Inflation depends on money supply and how fast money circulates. And banks like to lend money all the time. No matter if its deflation of inflation time. Inflation is not that bad when we have interest rates higher than inflation. What is sick is that we have real interest rates equal -5%! Thats the lowest since 1980!  https://www.longtermtrends.net/real-interest-rate/ |
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We take it for granted that currency should be issued by the government not by any private institution.
abolish the central bank's monopoly on currency creation, private currency and free competition are permitted. In this competition process, the best currency will appear.
We did not take it for granted - we were forced to accept it, forced to use it. And lack of economic education (there is no economic education in school - guess why. Why we have religion, art in school and not economy? Why no one teach us how interest rates affect loan installment? Because it is easier to manipulate population that dont know how money works) No one will abolish the central banks. No on will stop governments from issue and control the money of a nation: Mayer Amschel Rothschild: "Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws!" |
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Yea we finally look strong again. China FUD is dead now, no more China affecting the price of bitcoin. Short term pain has eased & we’re moving back up. I don’t know about anybody else but it was horrifying seeing the price drop so hard in May. Looks like we’re back on track now & the bull run is alive & kicking. $100,000+ this year is happening  Not only China FUD. Yesterday we had very bearish news: "We're continually evaluating our products and working with our partners to meet our users’ needs. Today we’re announcing that we plan to wind down our derivatives products offerings across the European region, commencing with the Netherlands, Germany, and Italy. With immediate effect, users in the Netherlands, Germany, and Italy cannot open new futures accounts on Binance." https://cointelegraph.com/news/binance-to-shut-down-crypto-derivatives-trading-in-europeFallowed by 3.5% dump with decent volume and break of short term support (39-41k consolidation) making it a stron bearish event and ... no cotinuation. Scared people sold to strong hands. Being bad news resistant - best bull run indicator. Last time I called it at 5k$ during a run from 3.5k to 14k. I'm very bullish for bitcoin since finally it is bad news resistant. That's the first indicator of the end of bear market
We had CBOE delisting news without any dump (i know its not bad news but look at it from lambo investor perspective. All of them was waiting for bakkt and btc etf and ... bum bitcoin is being delisted from cboe) It was, in my opinion, fud producing news and should dump bitcoin).
We had "bitfinex print 850 MM" news and only 3% dump? Under resistance? We should see dump at least 10% without this news simply from TA (fighting with very strong resistance, resting from 60% pump) had we had 3% dump with this news.
We had binance 40MM hack and next day we have break 6k resistance.
We are growing constantly with bad news hitting the market one after another. Guess what will happened when good news will hit market.
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Archegos was not a hedge fund..... It was a single family office, run by one individual. Why did Banks give money to such a risky financial operation? (Question is ..... Can we trust Banks to make the best decisions with the money that we deposit?) You thought your money deposited in the Banks are the safest option? Guess again........  Because "risk" is a word that does not appear in the banks' dictionary. They can put money on "safe" investments and get small returns or gable on "risky" assets and get big returns or bail out from government. So there is not risk for them. Are my money safe in banks? Yea. If bank will lose them government will print them back causing inflation and everyone will pay for it in devaluation of their savings. No matter where you store your money. If its Fiat - you will pay for all mistakes made by elites. |
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Now i want to know your opinion guys about this topic. I hope you guys share your feelings too.
"Is this guy still alive" "alive but dead inside" than @bitcoin makes laught at him - his response "  " Now its our time to make laught at him" I dont think we should. Its easy to look back at people at laught their decisions. BTC in @2.7$ had marketcap around 20 mln $, easy to manipulate by random guy with 1 mln$, secured by few nerds PCs. Investment that day was super risky. Its easy to call someone "inexperience expert unluckiest trader i have seen ever in my life." when you take someone words after 10 years without knowledge how it was to be here 10 years ago. Basically, bring it on. Let's encourage Wikileaks to use Bitcoins and I'm willing to face any risk or fallout from that act.
No, don't "bring it on". The project needs to grow gradually so the software can be strengthened along the way. I make this appeal to WikiLeaks not to try to use Bitcoin. Bitcoin is a small beta community in its infancy. You would not stand to get more than pocket change, and the heat you would bring would likely destroy us at this stage. Satoshi about BTC in dec 2010. In next year BTC did 100x pump from 30 cents to 30$. and dumped 90% right after. Tell us your story. Where will BTC be in next 20-50 years. I can only partly imagine that kind of feelings and I'll tell you why.
There were plenty of opportunities in bitcoin. Ok, he missed one. Or two. Or three. But missing them all is something I cannot understand.
We only know that he did not buy on 30$ pump and he is happy about that seeing BTC at 2.7$. We dont know anything about his future moves. |
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" Bitcoin is still the Investment Exposure of Institutional Investors. " Thats the topic of this thread while you did not say anything about Institutional Investors in your post. Leverage tokens are nothing new. They are available on many trading platworms such as binance - far more legit/reputable/reliable/safe than MEXC. How they works is explained everywhere. For example here: https://academy.binance.com/en/articles/a-beginners-guide-to-binance-leveraged-tokens-blvtWhat is worth to say is that those tokens are ment for intraday trading. Not for long term investments. It is explained in the link you already provided: https://www.binance.com/en/blog/421499824684901079/Why-you-shouldnt-hold-leveraged-tokens-longterm-"Leveraged tokens are built to multiply the underlying asset's daily return-the main component to remember here is DAILY. The leverage factor of a token will be reset every day. As a result, the performance of a token and its underlying asset can differ over the long term." If BTC will dump 30% in one day you will lose 90% (100$ left from 1000$ investment). Next day BTC will do +50% (back where it was), you portfolio will do +150% from 100$ (250$). BTC recovered the dump but you are still 75% under water. In long run it sum up to be the worse long term product. |
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Are you one of the few that believe that BTC can bounce back to 40k without any help from good news ? You are wrong pal BTC needs adoption and Amazon implementing crypto payment will bring right justice for bitcoin and crypto world entirely
Are you still in 2017? Man its 2021 now... BTC does not need adoption. No one think it will replace FIATs anymore. BTC does not need to be used by all human population. That's 2017 bubble paradigm. Its 2021 bubble where BTC is a digital gold. Means that it is store of value... means that it is an asset that 5% of reachest people allocate 5% of portfolio to headge against crash of current monetary system. We dont need amazon here. Thats enough to push btc to 1 mln $. Bitcoin's short-term upward trend began before Amazon's job advertisement was announced, and the pace of the trend does not seem to be affected by news reports.
Thats how it works. Insider buy (this fake news creator) market pump, hype train, price pump even harder, insider sell. The fact that someting started to pump before news does not prove that it was not caused by news... But at the end of the day i agree with you. Its only short term volatility with 0 long term value. |
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One sort of people earn from this, well aside from the whales who create these conditions : long term investors.
Long term investors don't earn on short term volatility. And short term volatility is what this topic is all about. And pretty much you said it by yourself in next fragment of your post saying that you, as long term hodler, don't care about whales manipulations. So I do not care if the whales want to manipulate it to make it bad,
So first part of your post contradicts the next part of your post. |
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it was an orchestrated FUD to start the negative news right as price hits $40k. it wasn't some random coincidence, they are desperately trying to keep the price from going up but the momentum is still strong so all they could do was to postpone the rise and we are headed for $40k again.
If amazon accept btc was a fake news, and they corrected it at the 40k price target means that their goal is not to "desperately trying to keep the price from going up". They would not create fake bull news before. It means that their goal is to drive market price right where they want it to go ... meanwhile shaking out professional traders. Short/long ... everyone. If chart is unchartable, price moves hysterically based on fake news, pro traders stops trading. Gamblers always stays to lose all money on high, random volatility. Characteristic in key moments on BTC either before bear market start or bull market start. Recovery is nice... I agree. Its not like I'm sure about this 30k retest. I just don't like how market moves hysterically based on news with negligible long-term value. It usually doesn't end well |
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Is it because of rumors about Amazon? I heard that they are going to accept tokens according to the news and I heard they are looking for crypto developers who has experienced on crypto payment gateway?
I hope it's true and let's see the price coming in few months.
Fun fact. "Ebay is 'seriously considering' accepting bitcoin" https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ebay-seriously-considering-accepting-bitcoin-164410989.htmlGuess the date. ... .... 12 december 2017 - right before final push from 15k to 20k ... right before beginning of 3 year bear market. After few months thay said that the demand is negligible and they give up on this idea. Hope that this Amazon news won't end up same way Final push to catch last bulls into bull trap. Damn. Didn't expect this post to age that well. Few ours after my post we see spam of articles "Amazon denies report of accepting bitcoin as payment" - https://ph.news.yahoo.com/amazon-denies-report-accepting-bitcoin-215220333.htmlAnd dump 9% in 2.5h. Looks like this time "big company accept bitcoin" news was used like during 2017 bubble. After such strong rejection ... I think we may retest 30k once again. |
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Is it because of rumors about Amazon? I heard that they are going to accept tokens according to the news and I heard they are looking for crypto developers who has experienced on crypto payment gateway?
I hope it's true and let's see the price coming in few months.
Fun fact. "Ebay is 'seriously considering' accepting bitcoin" https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ebay-seriously-considering-accepting-bitcoin-164410989.htmlGuess the date. ... .... 12 december 2017 - right before final push from 15k to 20k ... right before beginning of 3 year bear market. After few months thay said that the demand is negligible and they give up on this idea. Hope that this Amazon news won't end up same way Final push to catch last bulls into bull trap. BTW Thats my #3000 post "Total time logged in: 129 days, 1 hours and 33 minutes." |
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Today we had 2k$ ... 1 min candle XD That was insane. Insane performance.
My bet is that we are going to attack 45-55k zone after what market will show us true direction. Either we are continuing bull run or it is only a bull trap (If that's the beginning of bear market ... we did not have bull trap yet)
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The only thing that stops me from being super bullish is that this major move have being done during weekend low volume days. Without institutional investors on board. Most likely in Monday big players will come back to the market and short the top to scare everyone out to be able to jump in much lower.
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Those massive spikes of shorts (10-20k BTC) looks like being done by single identity. When you look at a chart at low time frame (5m candles) you can see he is using some sort of algo that is dumping few btc each time frame. Each 5m candle looks almost exactly the same:  To be honest i doubt that someone is opening a 20k BTC position using exchange that has 15 times lower volume than binance. IMO he is using this chart to convince market to do what he want it to do. For example he short BTC on binance, when his bags are full he is starting to show on finex that he is shorting to push market in the direction he wants market to go. That would justify why we see so much fud - "finex whale is shorting" articles all around the space when he opens position. But even if this is his real position... I would not say that he is loosing "many shorters losing money over the past month". Each short is being opened at higher price and closed at lower. He is not breaking major support but he is winning each time. Most oftern he grab price close to resistance and push it below closest support where he closes shorts. |
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