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2021  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Bitcoin 24.com SMS Service down? on: April 12, 2013, 01:22:24 PM
nich nur der SMS Service...
2022  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2011-04-11 AmericanBanker.com - Bitcoin and the Rebirth of Financial Safe Havens on: April 12, 2013, 01:05:41 PM
two years old already?  Huh  Shocked
2023  Bitcoin / Press / 2013-04-12 Introducing MigCoin on: April 12, 2013, 01:04:42 PM
http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2013/Apr-12.html

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Introducing MigCoin

Non-government controlled currency systems are now in vogue. Currencies that are not controlled by some government that might devalue your preciously earned pesos at the blink of an eye.

BitCoin is powered by powerful cryptography and math to ensure a truly digital currency. But it poses significant downsides, for one, governments can track your every move, and every transaction is stored on each bitcoin, making it difficult to prevent a tax audit in the future by The Man.

Today, I am introducing an alternative currency system that both keeps the anonymity of your transactions, and is even more secure than the crypto mumbo jumbo of bitcoins.

Today, I am introducing the MigCoin.

Like bitcoins, various MigCoins will be minted over time, to cope with the creation of value in the world.

[...]

be gentle guys  Wink
2024  Economy / Speculation / Re: If anything, we are here: on: April 12, 2013, 12:31:25 PM
That's right, we're both in bear trap and in bull trap, we're everywhere and nowhere, everything is fractal.  Smiley
2025  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Die Grundsatzfrage on: April 12, 2013, 10:18:05 AM
bin der meinung cryptocurrencies sind schon gekommen um zu bleiben und sie werden so schnell nicht mehr verschwinden. nur im moment verfehlt der bitcoin seinen urnutzen als zahlungsmittel für güter und dienstleisung. atm haben wir ein  anonymes hochspekulatives finanzprodukt innerhalb eines wirklich freien marktes mit geringen fees für börsenhaie, super!!! wüsst auch nicht wie sich das in nächster zeit ändern könnte. unter diesem aspekt wird der bitcoin nie und nimmer im mainstream akzeptanz finden.

tjo wie willste das verhindern, nich wahr... wer reguliert die regulierer? wer beaufsichtigt die börsenaufsicht? klappt heut ja auch sehr gut sowas  Angry

dieser ansatz is aber sowieso nich möglich bei einer dezentralen kryptowährung, drum ist das ganze hier auch ein experiment.
2026  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin on Wikipedia: You guys need press coverage. on: April 12, 2013, 04:05:22 AM
was briefly mentioned in an heise.de article if it helps

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Bitcoin-trotz-Hackerattacken-auf-naechstem-Rekordhoch-1837180.html

2027  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: April 11, 2013, 10:00:22 PM

So maybe that's what Vladimir was speaking about. Can't decide whether it'll be good or bad news for bitcoin though.

This is fantastic news! Bitcoin, as endorsed by the Winkelvoss twins... Very bullish.

Really so bullish? Hmm I'm not so sure.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173890.0
2028  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-04-11 blogs.reuters - Learn from bitcoin's mistakes - The promise of Ripple on: April 11, 2013, 09:59:25 PM
I've wondered also. I'm testing Ripple and I find it great.

But I also don't know how they would do that. Maybe there will be identification required after all? Maybe via a gateway you'd have to establish a connection with anyway? Maybe the free XRPs will be the incentive to provide ID?

It's surely a much less anonymous system then. And that connected with your social graph of the trust relationship... A heaven for datamining.

2029  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: April 11, 2013, 09:48:35 PM
Auf bitcoinity gab's jetzt auch schon länger keine lustigen gifs mehr.  Embarrassed
2030  Bitcoin / Press / 2013-04-11 blogs.reuters - Learn from bitcoin's mistakes - The promise of Ripple on: April 11, 2013, 09:28:26 PM
http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/04/11/the-promise-of-ripple/

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The promise of Ripple
By Felix Salmon



This is a chart of the value of bitcoin yesterday, Wednesday. It’s hardly a secret that bitcoins are a highly volatile asset class, so relatively few eyebrows were raised when the price soared from an opening level of $230 all the way to a high of $266. An intraday swing of more than 15% is pretty much par for the bitcoin course, these days. But then came the crash: within a few hours, bitcoins the world over had lost well over half their value, and were trading as low as $107 apiece. That’s not normal — and it just goes to underline how bad bitcoin is at doing everything it’s meant to do.

Bitcoin is clearly not an effective store of wealth — just look at how quickly that wealth can be evaporated. Neither is it a useful payments mechanism, given how fast its value can fluctuate. Currently, it can take an hour for a bitcoin transaction to clear, which means that the value of the transaction when it clears can be radically different from its value at inception. Bitcoin only works for payments if you can be reasonably sure that its value will remain reasonably steady for at least the next hour or so.

At the end of my big piece on bitcoin, I conclude that we need “a universal payments system with no friction or interchange costs”, which can learn from bitcoin’s mistakes. And this morning, the company responsible for one possible such system — OpenCoin, which is responsible for developing Ripple — announced that it has closed its angel funding round, with support from the likes of Andreessen Horowitz, Lightspeed, and Founders Fund.

I’ve been playing around a bit with Ripple, and I think it’s extremely promising. It’s very early days yet, but Ripple already has clear advantages over bitcoin, and if various merchants and developers start to converge on the Ripple ecosystem — which, like bitcoin, is all open-source — then I think it could genuinely become the first real way for anybody in the world to pay anybody else in the world, immediately and about as frictionlessly as possible.

Ripple was founded by geeks, including Prosper founder Chris Larsen and Mt Gox’s Jed McCaleb. As a result, right now it has a bit too much functionality with too little ease of use. It supports an effectively infinite number of different currencies, for instance, including bitcoin; and although it’s easier to use than bitcoin, it’s still not particularly user-friendly. But that will come, with time — and in fact I would be happier if the people developing the easy-to-use front ends for Ripple were not OpenCoin. OpenCoin is a for-profit company, which will make good money if Ripple takes off; I’ll come to that bit in a minute. So it’s very important that a lot of the rest of the Ripple ecosystem not be built by OpenCoin: so long as OpenCoin is the only company to really buy into Ripple, the whole scheme will go nowhere.

Ripple has a lot of resources on its website which explain how it works in various levels of detail; I won’t attempt to duplicate that effort. But the end result feels a bit like bitcoin in many ways. Users are anonymous (or, technically, pseudonymous), for instance: if you want to send me money via Ripple, right now you have to pay racoLWuh2GtC72i1gV7ib14Jqgx3SLmwKc rather than just Felix, or my email address, or my Twitter handle. It’s all open-source, too: OpenCoin has no privileged access to the way in which people pay each other. The fees are de minimis, just enough to prevent DDoS attacks and the like. There’s even a built-in crypto-currency, the Ripple, with a fixed money supply. But the great thing about the Ripple system is that individuals don’t have to pay each other in Ripples. Instead, they can pay each other in pretty much any currency in the world: Ripples, yes, or dollars, or yen, or euros, or even bitcoins.



Here, for instance, is a screenshot of my Ripple wallet: it shows that I own, 3,052 Ripples, 13 dollars, and 0.0284 bitcoins. If I want to send a payment in any one of those three currencies, I can do so pretty much cost-free; if I want to send a payment in some other currency, then the system will select for me the best exchange rate, based on various companies which are offering currency-conversion services on the Ripple platform.

Any time you deal in currencies other than Ripples — which, in practice, is going to be all of the time — you have to go through “gateways” to the Ripple system. Eventually, those gateways could be PayPal, or Citibank, or Western Union, but that might take a while; for the time being, they’re smaller institutions, and you probably don’t want to be moving large amounts of money through them.

Everybody using a Ripple account will have some Ripples in their account, just to get them on the system, and there will always be people making a market, converting Ripples to real currency and back again. The good news, however, is that Ripples are not (fingers crossed) going to become speculative investment vehicles, in the way that bitcoins are. That’s because all the Ripples in existence — 100 billion of them — have already been created, and, to a first approximation, they’re all owned by OpenCoin, which is essentially the central bank of the Ripple economy. OpenCoin is going to be giving away billions of Ripples for free, to anybody opening an account, just to get the system seeded and get people transacting with each other. There’s little reason to hoard a few thousand Ripples if there are 100 billion of them just waiting to flood the market at any time.

It’s in OpenCoin’s interest, then, to carefully calibrate the rate at which it’s introducing Ripples into the active money supply, and to keep the value of a Ripple relatively stable. Right now, there are about 750 Ripples to the dollar, which means that theoretically OpenCoin’s 100 billion Ripples are worth something over $100 million. OpenCoin is going to want to see that number rise, slowly, as Ripple becomes more popular — but it doesn’t want to encourage hoarding: quite the opposite. It wants as many transactions to happen over its network as possible, so that it can really become, in Larsen’s words, “http for money”.

Given the Andreessen Horowitz connection, and a lot of shared interests between the two companies, the first place I’ll be looking for third-party ratification of the Ripple idea is the hot payments startup Stripe. I’ve had long conversations with Stripe CEO Patrick Collison about bitcoin and international payments and frictionlessness, and in theory there’s no reason why he shouldn’t build a pay-with-Ripple option into Stripe alongside its more conventional credit-card and debit-card payments.

As with all such things, there’s a first-mover problem here: there’s no point in building Ripple-based infrastructure if no one is using Ripple, and no one’s going to use Ripple if there isn’t any infrastructure. OpenCoin’s solution to the problem, which I like a lot, is to simply give away billions of Ripples for free, all of which are worth real money, thereby giving people an incentive to use it. I hope it works, and I hope that the number of gateways into the system will soon expand from the current list of relatively obscure sites like Bitstamp. Ripple hasn’t succeeded yet. But at least — unlike bitcoin — it has a genuine hope of doing so.
2031  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Die Grundsatzfrage on: April 11, 2013, 06:10:52 PM
Ich sehe Bitcoin durchaus zunächst mal als Spekulationsobjekt.

Bitcoin ist ein quelloffen und transparent entwickeltes System, das globalen Werttransfer ermöglicht, ohne Bürokratie und zentrale Registrierung. Als solches konkurriert es mit PayPal, Western Union, Kreditkarten usw., und hat damit einen Marktwert. Aus technischen Gründen kommt es mit eigenen Werteinheiten, den Bitcoins daher, die ihrer Menge auf 21 Millionen limitiert sein müssen, um überhaupt Marktwert zu erzielen und damit die Funktionalität des Transfers einer Wertsumme bereitstellen zu können.

Durch den Besitz eines Teils dieser Werttransfereinheiten kann man am Gesamtwert des Systems teilhaben und bestimmt ihn mit. Man hat somit einen Share, einen Anteil an einem Open-Source-System, was eine völlig neue Form von Anlage oder Asset Class ist.

Es kann und wird sich allerdings nur mit der Zeit rausstellen, ob dieses System erfolgreich sein wird und eine hinreichende Durchdringung erreicht. Erst wenn ein Großteil der Menschheit dieser Welt mit Zugang zu Internet oder mobilen Netzwerken zumindest schon mal von Bitcoin gehört hat, kann man bessere Prognosen über den zukünftigen Gesamtwert des Systems wagen, und erst dann wird sich der Kurs stabilisieren.

Und erst dann kommt schließlich auch das Regressionstheorem des Ludwig von Mises zur Wirkung: Die besten Tauschmittel setzen sich durch und etablieren sich als Geld, so wie es etwa mit Gold und Silber war. Die Bitcoins sind im Moment bedingt geeignete Tauschmittel, die in der digitalen Welt zuhause sind; durch Stabilisierung ihres Tauschwertes werden sie sich auch als Währung etablieren, so wie es wohl einst von den Erfindern angedacht wurde.

2032  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: April 11, 2013, 05:52:06 PM
Der Bitcoin Drop könnte auch eine geziehlte Werbeaktion sein.

geziehlt? vom wem? vom der Bitcoin Holding AG?
2033  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: April 11, 2013, 03:01:10 PM
Fascinating how the LTC price is "pegged" to BTC after all. Who'd have thunk...
2034  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: "Market cooldown, order placing suspended until 2013-04-12 02:00:00 UTC" on: April 11, 2013, 02:43:28 PM
but people can still withdraw their bitcoins and sell at another exchange right?

so it's not the Central Bank of Bitcoin.
2035  Economy / Speculation / Re: verification queue is NOT a good indicator on: April 11, 2013, 02:12:41 PM
After verification, they'll just follow the trend, or whatever they'll think is best to do.

It's true it's not a good indicator, but it for sure as hell is a great amplifier.
2036  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: April 11, 2013, 01:51:31 PM
ich will endlich was 2stelliges sehen !!! ($)

bittschön:

2037  Economy / Speculation / Bitfloor 180 USD/BTC, Bitstamp 144 USD/BTC on: April 11, 2013, 11:52:14 AM
Why is that?
2038  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BTC Billionaire on: April 11, 2013, 11:34:08 AM
robinhoodat40  Cheesy
2039  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: STOP using MtGox - the Bitcoin Central Bank on: April 11, 2013, 11:31:58 AM
I admit I have pegged my exchange rates on localbitcoins.com to MtGox's. Shame on me.   Embarrassed
2040  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-04-10 Great, now engineers think that they are economists too on: April 11, 2013, 10:35:45 AM
Economists who like inflation and are terrified of deflation are not being rational. Both hyper-inflation and hyper-deflation are terrible. Both high inflation and high deflation cause economic problems. Both low inflation and low deflation are tolerable, but are not ideal. The ideal is no inflation and no deflation.

Or abolish any central monopolistic "official" currency.  Cool

Let people decide what to use as a currency. Then basically everything is an asset. Like Hayek's free market of currencies, but today it would be more than that, it would be more like a rich eco-system. There'd be different exchange and value systems which are native to different main use cases. There'd be regional currencies, metal currencies, internet (crypto-) currencies, business-to-business clearing, company-issued vouchers, and so on. As there'd also be some overlap, they'd all balance each other out.
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