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1421  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin becoming the one world currency for the New World Order? on: July 24, 2013, 11:26:46 AM
OP go back to prisonplanet.com where you belong.

probably they belong there, however I don't want to put them off, as one of my life missions is to counteract any possible divide-and-rule strategies that powerful interest groups may pursuit :·>
1422  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Rückbuchungs-Forderung nach Online-Überweisung on: July 24, 2013, 10:33:28 AM
Andererseits wissen wir doch alle, was für Probleme Verkäufer im Internet mit Rückbuchungen haben, dass sie eigentlich immer die Gearschten sind wg Verbraucherschutz etc, und wie scharf die deshalb eigentlich alle auf Bitcoin sein müssten...
1423  Economy / Economics / Re: Detroit Becomes Largest U.S. City To File Bankruptcy on: July 24, 2013, 10:18:28 AM
A house for 5 bitcoins

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ix0a2/a_house_for_5_bitcoins/
1424  Local / Presse / Re: Presseberichte / Bedeutsame Erwähnungen on: July 24, 2013, 09:57:18 AM
2013-07-24 Presse-Schneeballeffekt zu den Piratenschneeballsystem-Nachwehen
1425  Local / Presse / 2013-07-24 Presse-Schneeballeffekt zu den Piratenschneeballsystem-Nachwehen on: July 24, 2013, 09:44:48 AM
Ein Schneesturm an neuen Presseartikeln zu den Piratenschneeballsystem-Nachwehen

http://www.handelsblatt.com/finanzen/boerse-maerkte/marktberichte/schneeball-system-boersenaufsicht-geht-gegen-bitcoin-betrueger-vor/8539272.html

http://www.n-tv.de/wirtschaft/SEC-warnt-vor-Bitcoin-Betruegern-article11047701.html

http://de.reuters.com/article/economicsNews/idDEBEE96N01120130724

http://www.handelszeitung.ch/unternehmen/bitcoin-betrug-us-boersenaufsicht-warnt-472901

1426  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin becoming the one world currency for the New World Order? on: July 24, 2013, 09:09:56 AM
again:

For the same reason I used to think it isn't but now I think it indeed is.

BITCOIN is the Apocalypse!!!  Shocked

But look up what Apocalypse actually means: "disclosure of knowledge, hidden from humanity in an era dominated by falsehood and misconception".

Bitcoin will force all the hidden players to come out and show their true faces. Makes perfect sense to me.  Cool

and:

"Anonymity" in Bitcoin is because it's just a software protocol; it's not a company that can verify identities.

Identity-verifying companies would have to live on top of Bitcoin.

That said, still, Bitcoin and crypto-currencies in general cannot and should not be overly regulated. There certainly is an ideology behind, and it is free speech.

Before, the dystopian scenario of a cashless society had always been that everything can be tracked, and that if you were an "unperson", the central computer would be able prevent you from buying and selling, thus locking you out of society.

However, now, as there exist crypto-currencies that function in a way that's abstracted from real-life identities and accounts, there are ways around this dystopic outlook.

and that...:


...and that is a great achievement in its own right.

Even if Bitcoin does not make it, it altered the way to think about electronic cash. The proof that it is possible to have a decentralized genuineness control is of greatest benefit to the preservation of human rights and individual freedom in the future society.

ya.ya.yo!
1427  Local / Treffen / Re: [BitcoinMUC] Münchner Bitcoin Nutzer Treffen on: July 23, 2013, 10:35:28 PM
ich kann dir auch hier öffentlich sagen wie unanständig du bist  Tongue
1428  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Rückbuchungs-Forderung nach Online-Überweisung on: July 23, 2013, 10:03:41 PM
tja, ein einer perfekten Welt wär's so, und davon war ich auch ausgegangen, drum war ich etwas unvorsichtig.

Ich hab ja auch erst mal die Rückbuchung freundlich verweigert, als die Bank angerufen hatte.

Aber was ich so mitgekriegt hab in letzter Zeit, ist es eben doch nicht (mehr?) so einfach. Für Verkäufer gibt es wie Regeln "Know Your Customer". Der Bankmensch am Telefon meinte, zivilrechtlich ist es so, dass ich das Geld zurückgeben muss, und dafür nun eine Forderung habe gegenüber dem Betrüger, so dass es also an mir hängen bleibt, und ich den Schwarzen Peter habe.

Ich werd aber schaun was so auf mich zukommt, ob es wirklich so ist und was ich tun kann.
1429  Local / Treffen / Re: [BitcoinMUC] Münchner Bitcoin Nutzer Treffen on: July 23, 2013, 09:07:05 PM
Das hier ist ein anständiges Forum.  Angry
1430  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Federal Reserve: "private corporation in which the government has an interest." on: July 23, 2013, 02:18:55 PM
it's like with all "privatization" nowadays, just lip-service, giving former state services into the hands of chosen monopolists, and not a free market. De-democratization is the better word.

The reason is, of course, because states are in debt. So they sell themselves out to their creditors.
1431  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evil Jews regime using money trap to scare Americans on: July 23, 2013, 02:14:45 PM
I think you mean, wiggle their fins...

right, or fizzle with their antennas...
1432  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: PLEASE VOTE! Which altcoins do you consider having a real future value? [OPEN] on: July 23, 2013, 02:11:14 PM
XPM is a hoax

sauce?
1433  Other / Off-topic / Re: I would do anything for Bitcoin on: July 23, 2013, 02:06:55 PM
Like a BTCit out of hell I'll be gone when the morning comes.
1434  Other / Politics & Society / Re: WTF is wrong with America? on: July 23, 2013, 02:05:33 PM
Of what little comparisons I can draw between America and New Zealand (from a time I was researching what it's like to live in different places), they both have a high amount of citizens who despise foreigners and have a tendency to blame their problems on them.

foreigners? u mean all those Englishmen, Spanish, Portuguese, Germans, Italians etc that have been immigrating into both countries for the last couple of centuries?  Huh
1435  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evil Jews regime using money trap to scare Americans on: July 23, 2013, 01:59:28 PM
Yeah, pointing fingers is easy.

Imagine a highly advanced benevolent alien civilization made contact with us, we could tell them about our current issues and problems, and some people of ethnicity A would point their fingers at other people of ethnicity B and say "it's all their fault!". These aliens would just roll their eyes.  Roll Eyes
1436  Economy / Economics / Re: Why are fiat/banks destined to fail and bitcoin to succeed? Explain. on: July 23, 2013, 01:55:03 PM
Bitcoins have been around since 2009, a 1/4 of the Euro's lifespan


That's a rather ridiculous comparison. was introduced (enforced) top-down and large-scale. BTC has to grow bottom-up by grassroots effort.
1437  Economy / Economics / Re: What's wrong with valuing BTC in fiat? on: July 23, 2013, 01:51:56 PM
We could have different baskets of commodities to value things with (without them necessarily being a currency to hold). It's just a matter of popularization.
1438  Local / Deutsch (German) / Re: Sind Bitcoins "echtes" Geld? on: July 23, 2013, 12:20:51 PM

Das mit den Zigaretten kannst du so nicht Argumentieren, warum? Weil Zigaretten süchtig machen. Für den einen Teil der Leute waren Zigaretten absolut wertlos, während andere ihr letztes Hemd dafür gaben um es zu rauchen.


Diese Argumentation ist ein wenig über das Ziel hinausgeschossen. Zigaretten auf dem Gefängnishof werden nicht als Geldform benutzt, weil sie süchtig machen, sondern einzig und allein, weil sie den Eigenschaften eines tauglichen Geldes (begrenzte Menge, Nützlichkeit/Verwendbarkeit/Konsumnachfrage, Uniformität, Unfälschbarkeit, etc) aller Waren dort am nächsten kommen.

David Graeber (der erwähnte links-anarchistische, anti-kapitalistische Anthropologe) argumentiert eher so, dass Warengelder dann entstehen, wenn die Leute es nicht anders kennen, entweder weil vorher ihr Gesellschaftssystem kollabiert ist (s. UdSSR kurz nach dem Fall des Ostblocks), oder weil sie eben wie im Gefängnis in diese Umgebung hineingezwungen werden.

Historisch in Stammes- und Dörfergemeinschaften haben die Menschen in der Tat wohl eher ohne Tauschmittel/Geld gelebt; die Dinge wurden aufgeteilt, oder es herrschten Vertrauensbeziehungen. Du willst diese Kuh? Nimm sie dir; irgendwann wirst du dich schon revanchieren, oder du bist und bleibst halt der Dorftrottel. D.h. zuerst existierten Kreditformen, Metallgeld kam entgegen der Mär von Adam Smith und co in der Tat erst später, um Schuldverhältnisse (meist nach Eroberungen) zu quantifizieren und Unterdrückungsformen zu zementieren (s. Machtinstitution Priesterschaft und Religion, Doppeldeutigkeit von "Schuld" in vielen Sprachen).
1439  Economy / Economics / Re: Anarcho-Capitalistic Dogmatism on: July 23, 2013, 11:01:06 AM
basically, property rights and non-aggression principle my ass.

Land and property historically has always been the source of conflict, which is quite logical, due to the pressure of expansion.

If you see society as a (micro-) organism, like a (bacterial) culture, which is multiplying and expanding within limited space, you'll realize there is no fixed property that a cell can claim, or that it can expect to be protected in a free or even just cheap way.
1440  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do You Think Bitcoin Could Have Existed in the 90s? on: July 23, 2013, 10:57:55 AM
Conceptually, sure.

It would have grown slower, in tune with the growth of the surrounding infrastructure (internet).

The blockchain would soon have been hosted on servers and archival nodes. Just like Satoshi himself describes will happen with our Bitcoin in the future too.
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