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2061  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Do I hold? on: July 23, 2017, 10:39:07 AM
I have recently took investing on poloniex serious. Ever since I've invested the alt coins have been down. Do the amount of coins I posses go up if I stay. Also, do I have to wait for the coins to go back to their original price that I bought fo in order to make a profit? What are the reasons to holding if prices are down? Thank-you.

Well for me holding your coin is good idea since you said that the coins you were trading is in dump stage. It is better hold rather than to sell if it is on the stage of dump because there's a possibility for that coin to come back to its price or might even higher on its original value. Panic selling will not have a good effect on earning so you'd better to have a more patience.

He bought on peak, when prices were very high, and after that on poloniex for a week or more everything was red and prices were going down like crazy, thats why OP should keep his coins and panic selling is not a good option now in that way he will just lose the money and he can say good bye to profit.. Patience and waiting for prices to go up again is the best thing he can do, OP didn't share with us which coins he bought but after the August 1 when drama about bitcoin pass I think prices of altcoins will get back where they were and we can count on raise of some of them. At least I'm keeping mine and I don't have plans to sell yet.
2062  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to spot a gambler addicted? on: July 22, 2017, 09:08:29 PM
People who have gambling problems generally try to hide it from the people around them. They start lying everyone around them their closest one, family and friends. If you spot that person is lying about gambling you have addicted person in front of you. They will do anything to find money for casino, they will borrow money everywhere with many stories how they will return that very fast. They fall in so big addiction and they start to lie about everything in their life, and that is the worst thing, its hard to get rid off that, that stays in head for all the times.
2063  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you think billionaires invest in BTC? on: July 22, 2017, 08:03:10 PM
Outside of Bill Gates, I wouldn't be shocked to see someone like Masayoshi Son investing a significant amount, especially with all of the money he just raised. Additionally, Bill Miller, a famous portfolio manager, recently announced he put 1% of his net worth in BTC.

Lets ask a question `what is for one million for a billionaire?` We all know the answer, nothing, thats why they invest in everything a lot in my opinion.
Put 1 million on 10 different places and if just one investment is x100 he earned a lot. I think all of them have some bitcoins, or some other coins also, they sure don`t search for it they have advisers that do that for them, they just give the money and take profit.
If someone is a billionaire and didn`t invest in bitcoins already that man is a fool in my opinion.
2064  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin price Increasing today on: July 22, 2017, 01:59:16 PM
which make people think there will be no two chains and bitcoin price will go not to 4000$ and above.
I also think the chain split are unlikely to happen, seeing that many have supported bip91. After seeing the rising bitcoin prices now I'm pretty sure bitcoin prices will reach 4000$ in the next few months.

That news could inflict on people opinion about bitcoin. After panic about bitcoin splitting people are investing in bitcoin again and that can explain this sudden price rise.
This is nothing new, bitcoin price is capable to move up and down very fast and that don't surprise me anymore. I knew that price will get back on 3,000$, with mass adoption and legalization in many countries its madness that price is going down. Until the end of the year price can go to 4,000$ and maybe even more.
2065  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin heading to $4,000 on: July 21, 2017, 04:03:25 PM
Bitcoin is a blessing to some of us here. We can testify, how since the beginning of this year that, we have make alot of return on our investment in bitcoin. I foreseeing bitcoin touching $4,000 before the end of October this year. Hope you join us in this less risk investment.


It is so difficult at the present time so we can predict what. The price of bitcoin is decreasing as the 1 August event approaches, as more and more Bitcoin sellers cause the market to decline sharply. These predictions are not effective when the market is unstable

You don`t even know what you are commenting... next time before you make a comment try not to be lazy, with very simple check you could find out that price is 2716.15 US Dollars, that is 1000$ in less then one day. If you think that price is decreasing then something is wrong with you.
Just type in google predictions about bitcoin price, news in last one month are giving so optimistic statements about future of bitcoin price that for me is hard to believe in all that. As the demand for bitcoin is going up, price will follow too. Bitcoin will get to 4 and 5 thousands one day, and stay there for sure, but when will it happen is just a wild guessing. I know that I would be satisfied if we go to 3,000$ until the next year and stay there for a while.
2066  Economy / Economics / Re: stable currency on: July 21, 2017, 12:47:12 PM
Expecting stability with bitcoin is something that never happens with the cryptocurrencies as the entire system is purely functional based on the speculation and there is no physical backing. Being a stable currency loses the user base, because majority of the users were attracted by the varying price which is the base for profit. Expect the price to continue to grow in a similar way with fluctuations.

Yes never until now, but that doesn`t mean that something like that can`t happen in the future. I must agree with your statement about future grow, as long as we expect price to go up we can`t count on stability. We know what is the bottom when some drop is happening, but where is the top? Price of bitcoin in next 5 years will hit 5,000$, 11,000$ , 50,000$ are just some predictions from the bitcoin news sites, there are even more optimistic
predictions, but how much we expect bitcoin to worth in the future, when will price stop with rising?
In the end conclusion that we can`t expect crypto currencies to be stable is on the spot, maybe future can surprise us, but I doubt in that.
2067  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What is your biggest regrets in cryptocurrency? on: July 21, 2017, 06:17:29 AM
I discovered bitcoin when it was about $5 per coin and during that time for several reasons I could not buy it. I discovered eth and xmr when they were around $10 per coin and I could not find a good place to buy them. I discovered netko when it was about $0.05 and I could not get the wallet compiled. I probably had around 40 bitcoins and cashed them all out under $800 and I could name more.

You?
Wow that was a huge regret mate, 40 bitcoin if you sell it for the current value i think huge profit you will get.
Me my regret is not investing money in bitcoin and eth, way back 2014 the value of bitcoin is around $200- $350 ranging that time i started to learn and earn in bitcoin i do not invest because i have doubt before but know i am regret but i do not invest even my extra money.

Past is past tell to my self, for now i am happy with my bitcoin also in my earning that can give me additional savings for my future.

We have something in common, we all regret cause we didn`t buy on time! When I think about it now, we missed a great chance to be a millionaires, probably cause we weren`t brave enough to put more money in cryptocurrencies. Past is past, what is done is done, the best thing we can do now is to learn from our mistakes and look forward. Bitcoin is to expensive for my pocket and I try to earn bitcoins, and I finally started to save something, other then that there are many good coins also that are cheap and I`m buying some of them with hope that one day price of this coins will go up significantly.
2068  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Social aspect of gambling - do you ever gamble with a friend? on: July 20, 2017, 04:35:24 PM
Hi guys!
Many people find gambling a bad habit because of many various reasons. One of them is the fact that gambling is considered to be an asocial activity. But are they right? Do you really think that gambling is making you asocial? Or it's the right opposite? Have you ever find new friends while or thanks to gambling? Do you ever gamble with someone else? Would you take part in some kind of a team based tournament? Or can you think about anything that could make gambling more social activity? Maybe we can change this with your help!
Let us know what do you think about that
Yours OshiHugo

Do you really think that gambling is making you asocial?
To some people yes!(which is already proven) but not everyone!

Some Gamblers became asocial because of habits and addiction they got from playing gambling
there are also some gamblers who made friends through gambling(Including me) and actually made
them more sociable.

I have couple friend's on Facebook now that I met on difrent sites. Couple are from my country, and couple from several countries. Usually I talk with people when I play poker, and like you said not everyone is friendly, many don't like to talk at all. But I like to comment hands, to share my opinion and sometimes I click with someone and wr share Facebook, or twiiter and we talk later. We inform each others about some good tournaments, promotiobs.
Even we never met in live we lend money to each other, without any interest, and I never had a problems with them. With one guy I talk almost everyday he is from city close to mine and he is a trader, he gives me tips from time to time.
2069  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can trading be considered as gambling?? on: July 20, 2017, 03:26:15 PM
I want to know what you guys think about this, I have stopped gambling but still trade so does this mean I am still gambling?? I don't trade on basis of luck I trade using my skills would it still be considered gambling??

Please tell me what do you think.

When it terms to the value of risks, trading could be considered gambling since you cannot tell how the market would behave. But, interms of the winning/profit factor, the two became different. In gambling, you strategize, but mostly, you depend on luck. While in trading, you strategize, analyze, plan, and ask for only a bit of luck. You rely more on the figures, charts, facts. But i believe, in investment and finance world,evrything is a gamble.
So yes, youre still gambling but in a more educated, carculated, reasonable and safe way.

Tradeducatedbe very tricky, with that part I can agree, but all your strategies and plans in trading are based on what? Thran air? I say that's cause you follow the news, comments and with all that is easily manipulated. In poker you play against people and their cards andyout strategy, cool head good analytic mind can save you from losing money and give you more chances for making profit.I don't think that trading is more educated, calculated, safe and responsible than gambling, what you talk is approach, with same way you can approach to gambling and have better results.
If you are a day trader then that is very similar to gambling, with buying and holding altcoins for long term holding you are more investor, but in a way that is a low bet now that can bring huge profit in next years, but requires a lot of waiting.
2070  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy before aug 1 or after? on: July 19, 2017, 02:52:26 PM
Hi guys. Im waiting and hoping this dump
Will continue to 1300 or 1500 before i buy
Which do you think is more ideal
Before aug 1 so i can participate if it splits
Or after aug 1 so i can read the market reaction?


Well, if you are going to buy bitcoins, then you can do it before august 1 because it was expected that the value will go down and hold the bitcoin because this coming months the bitcoins value will increase . Well, it happens all the time, sometimes up and down Cheesy So no matter what we say here, still your decision will be done Cheesy

Couple days ago price was under 2000$, that was good opportunity for buying bitcoins. Looks now we are going back on 2500$, and I noticed couple threads here on forum how Chinese are buying like crazy and that is very posoble fornprice to get to 3000$ very soon. I'm saying that cause I'm not so sure that waiting is a good option at the moment, I know that with bitcoin anything can happen, price can go down to 1500$ or up to 3000$ in a day and faster, that would be nothing new for bitcoin price.
If you have money buy when you think it's bottom, my opinion is that 1800$ in one shirt moment was a bottom and now bitcoin price will rise.
2071  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: In Gambling, Money is not everything on: July 18, 2017, 02:44:07 PM
We gamble cause of money, that drive us I think. Without material gain there is no gambling, that is why we get exited, when we lose a lot or win a lot. Gambling without money involved is just a game for kids, for example there is poker in Facebook, slots, there is many free roulettes but that is not interesting for me. I don't know who can find fun in playing this kids games. If I decide to play a game I play league of legends or maybe counter strike, but to gamble or playing gambling games where I can't win anything that is a completely waste of time.
2072  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will bitcoin rise or fall? CONFUSED on: July 18, 2017, 10:05:02 AM
bitcoin is a decentralized currency so it's obviously rise or fall in different times but it has more percentage of chance to rise because bitcoin is made to be like that in 2025 you will gonna see what bitcoin really are it will be the most highest amount of currency in all crypto currency because after all these years bitcoin is the most reliable crypto currency.

yeah if will surely be rise again and will best best crypto currency

The most accurate would be to say that bitcoin will rise in long run, but daily fluctuations will always be present. There is no need for confusion, bitcoin price depends from supply and demand, in long run supply should go down and demand up, we will see halving in 2 years, then again in 4.
But daily fluctuations will never stop, did you ever think about what is panic selling? How many bitcoins should be sold/dumped in very short period of time to force price to go down? A group of people can manipulate market with 100k bitcoins in my opinion, they can create false panic selling and when price touch bottom they buy again and with raised demand price is going up again. This is probably the simplest explanation about bitcoin price movement.
2073  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What is your trading strategy? on: July 17, 2017, 10:17:04 PM
Warren Buffet style, buy the dips, sell the rips. Be Patient. No Fomo.



When we speak about Warren, I saw this picture couple days ago and i cant stop thinking about it. If he is right you shouldn`t buy and sell, you need bots for that, you just need to invest in all that, and make money while you are sleeping. Be patient or sleep and when you wake up just check your wallet? I will try to save money for the first time in my life for some investment, more I`m thinking about Warren Buffet words more I`m sure in fact that if I need to find a way to earn while I sleep or I will be condemned to work whole my life for some cheap money, and I will never have enough. I think this works for most of the people from lower classes, we killing ourselves on stupid works to be paid 200$ monthly, someone spend that money for breakfast. Buy bots and do nothing if you have enough money for trading.
2074  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [BREAKING NEWS]: Wall Street Predicting Bitcoin To Hit $55,000 In 5 Years on: July 17, 2017, 09:34:06 PM
Exciting times in Cryptocurrency market. When more and more investors come into the market there will definitely be more price stability.

Wall Street is a center of power, and if they join in crypto world they can bring a lot of money with them. Its a Wall Street, so if they pump in a lot of money they will be whales in bitcoin world like they are now in real, I don`t like them, but we cant stop them from joining. I think they live from other people misery, they started economy crash 10 years ago, they are responsible for many manipulations, cause that is what they are manipulators, nothing more then that, and cause they are so rich they can manipulate with countries, markets, people.
We will see what kind of investors they are, bitcoin started to attract good and bad people and institutions, and I don`t like that fact. How much money they plan to pump in, and what can they do with bitcoins will be seen, but if they say that price can hit 55k in just 5 years that is manipulation, buying now, pumping the price and dumping and leaving the club, thats how they do business.
2075  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling percentage of the crypto-economy? on: July 17, 2017, 06:51:24 PM
not more than 30% maybe because the biggest percentage maybe held by miners and traders as we can see there are a lot of markets than gambling site. the volume too

Some miners and traders are also a gamblers and 30% is pure guessing, there is no way for us to calculate how much percents of all crypto wealth is in gambling. There is many sites, and probably every site have some high rollers, plus so many little players. Its already mentioned, but some fiat casinos now accept bitcoins, and how to track all that, almost impossible. Even thou 30% is guessing, I must admit that its reasonable assumption, maybe a bit high who knows, 30% out of 70 billion, market value of cryptocurrencies, is almost 21 billion, do you really think that people have so much money in bitcoin gambling? When you put things like this in dollars for me 30% maybe even sounds to high. I tried to find more informations about about this topic but I couldn`t, I doubt that we will hear right answer on this question.
2076  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do Banks fear cryptocurrency on: July 17, 2017, 04:17:04 AM
There is no reason to be afraid of banks. They are doing what they can within there rules and regulations. They have no authority over bitcoin or any crypto currencies as long as government states something about it. The decentralised nature of bitcoin is making it more secure from entities like bitcoin. The bank you speaking about must be afraid of loosing its assets or produce due to insufficient customers base. Lol.

I'm not sure how much you are aware that you also mentioned several good reasons why banks should fear from bitcoin. Bitcoin is a threat to banking system, with bitcoin we can skip bank dominance. Do we need to pay for storing bitcoins in wallet like we need to pay to the bank for having bank account? Do we need many documents for registration and do bitcoin charge us so big fees for money transactions in another country.
Bitcoin is better then any fiat currency, and they know it, that's why bank of Albania is issuing the warning about bitcoin. Its not the first time that we hear something like that from the banks, and I doubt its the last time. Keep calm and continue to earn and save bitcoins, donnkt pay attention on this kind of news.
2077  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin just an asset ? on: July 16, 2017, 06:36:21 PM
A currency is what you can use in exchange for goods and bitcoin can and is doing that perfectly well.It is a currency for me cause I use it to buy and sell goods and services. So the answer to your question is what would you like it to be. People don't understand it is completely decentralised, strong, so it's the best, it's use depends on person to person. it has to be the perfect currency for payments, surpassing the dollar, the euro, and the other big fiat currencies. Smiley

For me bitcoin is also a currency, but bitcoin can be seen as asset too. Bitcoin is universal tool for many things now, for paying, saving, investing, what one individual wish he can do with bitcoins, but its pointless to classify bitcoin.
Use bitcoins as you wish is good suggestion from you, don't pay attention what others say about it, bitcoin is capable to handle our needs for profit, for good earning, to give us fun. For now bitcoin has potential to be that in next decades, if nothing bad happen to blockchain. Bitcoin is perfect you said it right, with possibilities and potential, we must see it as something perfect.
2078  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you set up limits for yourself? on: July 16, 2017, 05:26:24 PM
Its hard to set up limits in gambling, my only limit is with how much I will start gambling. I try to not go with all I have (that happened few times), when I deposit I'm ready to lose all, if I increase my bankroll I change the game and increase bets.
Few times I lost deposited, then deposited again and lose again and third time when I'm all in with last of the bitcoins I have I win back all what I have lost and make double profit. In gambling some times you need to push as hard as you can, with all you have. It doesn't always and positive for me, but that is gambling for me, pushing and challenging the limits.
2079  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Don't do Bitcoin transactions on 30th July and August 1st on: July 16, 2017, 09:45:36 AM
I don't think that. Because Bitcoin is a giant crypto currency. No chance to disappear Bitcoin Transaction. Bye the way, then I will avoid Bitcoin transaction those days. And, Thanks for the sharing.

I also don`t think that, but I learned to be careful and I think its not going to be a big deal to chill couple days without any transactions, just for precaution. Its always better to be safe, then to be sorry later, and its not some long time period of waiting, its just day or two. This should not be a problem for anyone, date is announced, so everyone from here should finish with everything before August, and to have couple days free from bitcoin world, that is what I plan to do, and probably many other. I will live some coins in casino, just to see what can happen with them and to have something to play poker with, around 3-5 mbtc.
2080  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will bitcoin go under 2000 dollars until august 1? on: July 15, 2017, 02:12:03 PM
Just wait for August 1 don't waste any single cents. Sad to say but it seems we can see lower than $2000 earlier than that date. Today 24H low on bitstamp was $2005, almost touching under $2K. So it's better if you will just wait for Aug 1 if you want to buy at a cheaper price.

Looks like people are withdrawing money from bitcoins, panic selling or just a strategy to sell now and buy later while it's cheaper I don't know, but I think we will see bitcoin price under 2000$ mark.
August 1 is just a date, and its just one day, for us to see changes time needs to pass. Week or month, maybe more I can't give some accurate prediction cause I'm not some expert, but I sincerely doubt that everything can happen in just one day and in next day to see price back on 3000$. Patience my dear friends is what we need now, waiting and observing the situation, like last year maybe we will see results in October, November, and that is 4 months from now.
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