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221  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: November 06, 2019, 07:17:48 AM
The Court is aware, settlement has failed and new witnesses have been summoned with the agreement of the Court.

Nov 5, 2019

PAPERLESS ORDER granting 290 Expedited Motion for out of state deposition. Plaintiffs are permitted to take the deposition of Mr. Wilson on November 8, 2019 in Washington D.C.. The Plaintiffs shall provide Defendant's counsel with the ability to attend the deposition via videolink. Signed by Judge Beth Bloom (BB)



I was not referring to the new motions.

I was referring to the specific statement stating that Craig was in no way involved with the negotiations.
To me that appears in contradiction to what the motion stated.

222  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: November 06, 2019, 06:59:05 AM

https://twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1191284725920542720?s=19



https://coingeek.com/calvin-ayre-passes-on-buying-dave-kleiman-estate-because-it-holds-no-assets/

Perhaps someone should advise the court of this. I distinctly see CSW name on the court documents stating that "the parties" are negotiating a settlement.

So it is just a play of words. Craig may not have been present but  Ayre and his lawyers were not negotiating on his behalf ?


If they were NOT representing Craig - then did they inform the court ?  Were the plaintiffs aware that they were specifically not negotiating with Craig or anyone representing him ?

How does that work with privileged information in the USA ?

The motion granted by the court was for "the parties" to negotiate a settlement.

Latest order for more time:




223  Other / Meta / Re: [POLL] The Official Dirty Turds Poll - Which DT needs flushing first ??????????? on: November 06, 2019, 04:08:53 AM

So enough delays - last chance to answer the questions so I can write a far more entertaining piece of fiction than what you are going to write :

Were you aroused when you buried the the corpse of the kidnapped invisible giraffe ? - yes or no ? (This is a yes or no answer question only ! Everything else will be ignored)

Your homo erotica involving small bears witnessed by everyone on here. Were they midgets or underage ? (Choose one or both of the two)

Failing to answer immediately will be considered an undisputed, undeniable admission of guilt.

Sorry for not indulging your kidnapping giraffes theory, perhaps when you present observable instances that demonstrate that it is undeniable that I did kidnap a giraffe I may indulge you further. For now that avenue of derailing desperate garbage is being closed down.

Everyone can witness that The-One-Above-All saw my allegation. Refused to answer yes or no. Refused to confirm whether the "little bears" were midgets or underage.

Failing to answer immediately will be considered an undisputed, undeniable admission of guilt.

He had ample opportunity to reply and the consequences were clearly stated if he didn't answer immediately in the format that I demanded. Therefore I present it as an undisputed, undeniable admission of guilt.

I will now set up a self moderated parody thread "exposing" this filthy pervert. Creating local rules preventing him (also known as "we" or "us"), his alts or his cronies from replying to it. It will be an edutainment guide named: "How to spot the fallacies of a pigeon pooper."

I archived this whole disgusting thread. All the sick perverted references and insults you made. So I have plenty of material - even if you shut up, make another alt or swallow the tampon.

Dirty turds (especially when on "official" dirty turd list by the self appointed coprophile) will be invited to make their faecal vocal contributions

You have more balls ( and less brains).

We are pleased you are not that kind of pussy and weasel.

This perverted testicle voyeur that "likes" little talking bears to "watch" is under false the impression there is more than one of me.

Sorry - there is no pussy and weasel - just me (human). Too busy stomping on your sexy fluffy slippers that you mistook for me.
224  Other / Meta / Re: [POLL] The Official Dirty Turds Poll - Which DT needs flushing first ??????????? on: November 06, 2019, 03:00:39 AM
Any further attempt to just derail this to... homo erotica of small bears, giraffe kidnapping and burial, hilarious and co's marking as BAD posts that simply state " shut up you used tampon" , or ton of other shit you are trying to derail with will NOT WORK. But is good filler for your new thread.

1) Where did you prove it was Hilarious&co that marked it as bad ?
2) It is clearly stated that:
Q: Someone insulted me. Why aren't you deleting his post/thread?
A: Possible (since we don't have the time or resources to check) insults are also allowed as long as they contain any kind of constructive opinion, info or something else substantial and aren't off-topic. For example, posting something like "you are dumb" will be deleted as it contains no meaningful content. However, if the post is somewhere along the lines of "You are dumb. This is wrong because this website/thread/etc. has explained it's not right", it's in most cases accepted.
Quote
shut up you used tampon
was actually good advise. You should learn to shut up. "Used tampon" should not be taken literally - it is an insult.

You have claimed he didn’t enforce rules - rules that are actually don't exist. (The invisible giraffe) You didn’t present any verifiable evidence directly implicating Hilarious. (no proof of killing)

The only thing you can prove is that he has publicly ridiculed and insulted you, yourself and your alt.
(insulting the cat)

The reason I used an absolutely ridiculous analogy is because you are dishonest enough to try and use it as anything other than an analogy if I used a more realistic example.

So enough delays - last chance to answer the questions so I can write a far more entertaining piece of fiction than what you are going to write :

Were you aroused when you buried the the corpse of the kidnapped invisible giraffe ? - yes or no ? (This is a yes or no answer question only ! Everything else will be ignored)

Your homo erotica involving small bears witnessed by everyone on here. Were they midgets or underage ? (Choose one or both of the two)

Failing to answer immediately will be considered an undisputed, undeniable admission of guilt.
225  Other / Meta / Re: [POLL] The Official Dirty Turds Poll - Which DT needs flushing first ??????????? on: November 06, 2019, 02:03:53 AM

It is undeniable now that xtraelv is a scammers supporter.

You've repeatedly said that all along. If it is undeniable then why are we even talking ? You are wasting my time.

What is undeniable is that you did not keep to the agreement to get Theymos to be an arbitrator and used every excuse not to follow through with it.
 
This is merely the first fun stage. We will make a compilation of your finest statements here for your own personal thread.  This is just the start.

Whatever. You were always going to do that anyway.

I'm sure you will arrange it in a false and defamatory way so it says what you want it to say and obscure what I actually said.




OH YEAH, XLDIV HAS RUN AWAY because he claims getting his specious excuses and arguments correctly called out for scammer supporting and double standards garbage they are   is like being bested at chess by a pigeon apparently.


It appears you have taken it as a compliment.  Grin


FYI - It appears that most of the references and information is probably too difficult for you to understand. I post it so anyone rational reading it has an understanding of the issues and logic followed.

If you vote for a politician to trust you don't necessarily agree with all of their conduct or decisions. You choose them because you think they can do the job well. Same applies with DT.

I've long ago realized that "The One Above All"  is just another way of saying "Angry delusional pigeon flying overhead with chronic diarrhea".



226  Other / Meta / Re: [POLL] The Official Dirty Turds Poll - Which DT needs flushing first ??????????? on: November 06, 2019, 12:49:25 AM

DELIBERATELY AND BLATANTLY trying to divert and side track from presenting his reasoning on

Why XLDIV will you NOT DARE to present an explanation of the observable and verifiable auction scamming and explain why it is NOT SCAMMING and why you will not say it is financially high risk, give a red tag BUT WILL RATHER CLAIM HE IS ONE OF THE MOST TRUSTWORTHY MEMBERS OF THIS ENTIRE FORUM??



Don't attribute things to me that I did not say. Learn how to use quotes properly.



Tman is undeniably an auction scammer

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1931778.msg19286369#msg19286369

People can read the comment and judge for themselves.
Commenting on an auction is not auction scamming.

If I had to tag every shill on this site I'd have no life left.

In some countries vendor bidding is allowed. (Although bidding on your own auctions I find scammy)

Some of the old DT's have some bad habits. By setting a good example those bad habits  -or those that continue with those bad habits will disappear over time.

Some of the old DT's also have an invaluable amount of knowledge and skill.

The only person running away is you. Your posts consists of insults and assertions of your preconceived ideas You don't answer any questions or directly reply to any points made.

You may produce walls of words but you don't participate in any discussion. You don't interact - you just throw words at people.

You don't understand the rules (proven)
You don't understand how the trust system works (proven)
You don't understand how merits work (proven)
You don't know how to look up information on this site (proven)

It is just plain lazy. You demand and expect people to act as your unpaid servants. Take initiative and learn how things work before complaining about them or participate in the conversation by listening. Stop ranting and read what I've actually said with an open mind. You might learn something.

You can continue with your ranting and raving but it is your loss. The only one you are deluding with your nonsense is yourself and perhaps one or two others.

You don't address any of the points I've made - including the guidelines set by the forum administrator.

You are talking at me. You should be talking to me and listening to me. That is how normal people communicate.

I believe my moderate views and rational discussion has resulted in others taking on some more moderate views as well. The people I respect the most on this forum and whose views are most in line with mine are Suchmoon and Hilariousetc. If you categorize me the same as them then I have no problem with that.

I've proven that you don't understand the forum rules and try to censor people.

It also appears that you are unable to justify your conduct or position given the guidelines provided by Theymos. So you are attempting to hide it by hurling insults and distracting from the reply. Literally burying the evidence in bullshit birdshit.


227  Other / Meta / Re: [POLL] The Official Dirty Turds Poll - Which DT needs flushing first ??????????? on: November 05, 2019, 11:17:35 PM
<snip>

Your accusations against Hilariousetc and Flying hellfish are as reliable as the accusation against you about kidnapping the invisible giraffe and starving it to death.

Photo of the missing giraffe:



Your homo-erotic fantasies involving bears is witnessed here:





" that's it xldiv, keep ramming your face into his heel like that over and over" " that's it now you're almost unconscious and looking like you have been hit by a train , you are certainly winning, look at him not a single scratch"    the little bears chant...hahaha

WTF was going on in your head when you wrote that !!!???



Proof of pleasuring yourself:


LOTS MORE COMING SOON


Insults to cats here:

Well, where does one start with this filth bag.

In the meantime - not one denial about the kidnapped invisible giraffe. You've had ample time to deny it and didn't- surely that is plenty of proof of guilt ! It must have pleasured you when you buried the corpse - you sick fuck !

Were you aroused when you buried the the corpse - yes or no ? (This is a yes or no answer question only ! Everything else will be ignored)

In addition to that you have tagged no scammers what-so-ever or excluded any scammers from your trust list. You are the most corrupt of all ! By your own logic you support every scammer that has ever been on this forum !


On a more serious note:

I debunked it here and proved you made untruthful accusations and attempted to censor comments you didn't like:

It shows a complete lack of understanding of the processes here:

After marking bad our reports from this thread ranging from -

1. telling people not to reply on thread and ADMITTING they never read the initial post
2. making false accusations
3. admitting they don't read the OP before making random insults
4. strange speculation on what we look like (suchmoon taking her wig off to post a picture of herself)


Three (2-3-4) of those things you mentioned are not breaking the rules.

If (1) you bait someone with insults but create a local rule stating that they cannot reply it is very likely that it will not be enforced.

Reporting someone for those things is called attempted censorship

You'd know that if you had read the rules. Very important: If you report someone for breaking the rules - make sure it is a rule

If it is not a rule - then it is a false report.


Q: Why haven't you banned <insert scammer username here> who is an obvious scammer?
A: Possible (or real, not for me to decide) scams are not moderated to prevent moderator abuse. If we start picking out which ones we call "scammers" and ban, we would make a lot of decisions based on biased opinions.

Q: Do you moderate/delete (possible) FUD, accusations and untrue information?
A: No. We don't have enough time to check every single piece of information and verify the validity of the sources. Also, just like scams - too much room for bias and abuse.

However, trolling isn't allowed. If a user is habitually posting obviously false nonsense ("obviously false nonsense" to an outsider, NOT to someone who follows or is involved in the discussion) just to stir up trouble, then it's considered trolling, which is prohibited. Such cases should be thoroughly documented in the report though (There are tons of reports that just say "trolling", but moderators don't have time to look through each user's post).

Q: Someone insulted me. Why aren't you deleting his post/thread?
A: Possible (since we don't have the time or resources to check) insults are also allowed as long as they contain any kind of constructive opinion, info or something else substantial and aren't off-topic. For example, posting something like "you are dumb" will be deleted as it contains no meaningful content. However, if the post is somewhere along the lines of "You are dumb. This is wrong because this website/thread/etc. has explained it's not right", it's in most cases accepted.

Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ



So our DT has been taken over by a bunch of people that are OBSERVABLY DIRTY.

Most of the people on your list were on DT already with the old system.
There are currently 100 DT1 of which 3 are excluded. There are many more DT2
So it hasn’t been “taken over”.

1. They mostly all cycle merit to each other

None of the people in the OP have any benefit from receiving merit. They all had Legendary or Hero accounts when merit was introduced.

Some of them are merit sources and by giving merit to people whose judgement they trust it is spread to other users via the sMerit system. The way it was designed.

A legendary account receiving merit = no benefit.
Receiving more than 1000 merit = no benefit to recipient.

2. They mostly  all vote to include each other on DT (via their foolishly given right to be the ones to decide on WHOM is eligible for DT)

That is way the system is supposed to work.  People vote for people that they trust. There were no instant changes but I worked hard to ensure that DT’s were endorsed in the Russian and Turkish communities. Local knowledge and native language speakers from different countries greatly assist in detecting scams and cultural understanding and diversity.
Both Tman and Lauda listened to what I had to say and both modified their viewpoints but
I also recognize that they also have the right to have a different opinion than me.

I have not seen any evidence that the majority of people (excluding spam and alt accounts) disagree with the selection of DT. Only a small minority voices disagreement. Some refer to themselves in plural format and some of them are alts.

This is a good start.

The Russian locale is quite upset with what they consider manipulation of the DT system.

They believe what they did is consistent with what Theymos instructed:

TMAN, you're coming across as a real asshole here. AFAICT, that topic is highly analogous to the English discussions. The main addition is that they're looking to get more local representation in DT1, which is very reasonable. I'd prefer if people not treat trust lists as an election, but if I had wanted nobody to ever think/talk/strategize about how trust lists affect DT1 selection, I would've kept the DT1 criteria secret.

They quickly found a quote from me where I previously documented that usernames starting with tildes are handled:
"If you want to trust someone whose name begins with a tilde, prefix their name with a backslash."   тe ecли вы xoтитe выcкaзaть дoвepиe юзepy ~XXX  в cвoй cпиcoк пpямoгo дoвepия зaпишитe \~XXX, ecли жe вы xoтитe выcкaзaть eмy нeдoвepиe зaпишитe ~\~XXX.
So they knew right away that the ~DefaultTrust account was harmless.

I see nothing concerning with xandry's actions there. Nothing there comes close to warranting deletion. Even if someone was openly talking about trying to form a strategic DT1 manipulation group for the express purpose of undermining the system, such a topic should not be deleted; rather, I'd look to handle this within the DT1 selection criteria.

While I don't understand Russian that well and I am not that often on their pages I have been chatting with a couple of the people involved.

I'd like to see this de-escalate. For the sake of everyone involved.

I do think that some Russian members have been treated unfairly. For instance for being tagged for merely posting in a thread that according to Theymos is their right to do.

What you are complaining about is exactly how the system is supposed to work.


3. They mostly all seem to be creaming off the best paying (in btc) sig spots via their pals who are campaign managers.

I’ve never participated in a signature or bounty campaign. I don’t like signature campaigns and recently when I audited a signature campaign it became apparent just how prominent spam and bounty scammers are.

I imagine that a reputable bounty or sig manager will give preference to people who they know to be reliable posters.

Being a business they have the right to choose who represents them.  
Anyone can become a bounty manager.

4. The central cluster of Dirty Turds also seem to exclude the same people from dt.

That is because they don’t trust those people. Local rules you made prevent discussing those people individually.

Local rules - this is a discussion regarding the observable instances of DT members engaging in clearly negative and untrustworthy behaviors only. Those on default trust DT1 DT2 DT3 may be discussed and nobody else

5. They will use the "TRUST" system to punish whistle blowing of their prior observable wrong doing.

There is a right and wrong way to approach a situation. If you are relatively unknown and use abusive and emotive language to attack a prominent forum member using a method that does not follow the normal protocols then it is likely that that person will be ignored or ostracised.
That is how social norms work. Those that yell and shout abuse at those that enforce the rules generally get cast out.

228  Other / Meta / Re: [POLL] The Official Dirty Turds Poll - Which DT needs flushing first ??????????? on: November 05, 2019, 02:58:46 PM
WOW we really thought you would be running away by now, but we see you still left yourself a little excuse to run away at any time...the old still waiting for theymos to hold my hand. COME ON MAN UP ... you have come this far. You will stay until the end right??? or what excuse will you give for vanishing??

TOAA weaseling out of the agreement and gone back to being obnoxious.....what a surprise...yawn


So since we are claiming YOU are CORRUPT or that you are UNTRUSTWORTHY and that YOU are posing a DIRECT FINANCIAL danger to members by DELIBERATELY allowing your "friends and fellow DT scum" to Undeniably commit scamming or admitting they are willing to facilitate scamming for a PRICE and refuse to red trust them and EVEN SUPPORT THEM TO POSITIONS OF TRUST then you need to answer questions to demonstrate this is NOT TRUE.

Nope. I don't have to do anything. You have not kept your part of the agreement that we made.

I could easily do what you are doing.

I can claim you have kidnapped an invisible giraffe and starved it to death. Prove me wrong ! I can twist your words and eventually settle on that you insulted a cat and therefore you are still cruel to animals. I won't play that stupid game.



I will try to extrapolate your answers for the reader in red.


I gave the answers. You are just changing what I said.

Let me demonstrate the importance of emphasis and how easy it is to alter the meaning.

I never said you stole my money – I didn’t say it but I’m implying someone else may have.
I never said you stole my money – I am strongly objecting to the implication I accused you of stealing.
I never said you stole my money – I may not have said it, but I imply that I think it.
I never said you stole my money – I am not accusing you, but someone else has stolen my money.
I never said you stole my money – I don’t think you stole my money, but you did do something with it.
I never said you stole my money – You didn’t steal my money but I suggest you may have stolen someone else’s.
I never said you stole my money – You didn’t steal my money but I suggest you may have stolen something else.
https://factinator.com/i-never-said-she-stole-my-money/

You are clearly changing the emphasis, context and content of what I said while being rude and obnoxious. Doing so is outright dishonest.












<snip the bullshit>
229  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How would an Economy based on BTC look like? on: November 05, 2019, 01:20:43 PM
I believe bitcoin will eventually become a settlement layer. It will be developed further to use sidechains that link back to the value store of bitcoin. Settlement between entities or chains will occur periodically valued in bitcoin.

Symilar to what happened with banks in the past. Funds are transferred between banks by ledger.  Physical transfer occurred later.

A token currency may be Tethered to bitcoin (or tethered to a number of assets - e.g bitcoin, precious metals and land).

Crypto still has a long way to evolve. Exchanges are still falling over, hacks are prominent, transfer is cumbersome and relatively complex (try teaching grandma) , values fluctuate wildly and the code is still a work in progress.

Current phase - surviving legislation.
230  Other / Meta / Re: Which corrupt moderator deleted our last 4 posts? calling you out in public NOW! on: November 05, 2019, 11:08:23 AM
After marking bad our reports from this thread ranging from -

1. telling people not to reply on thread and ADMITTING they never read the initial post
2. making false accusations
3. admitting they don't read the OP before making random insults
4. strange speculation on what we look like (suchmoon taking her wig off to post a picture of herself)


Three (2-3-4) of those things you mentioned are not breaking the rules.

If (1) you bait someone with insults but create a local rule stating that they cannot reply it is very likely that it will not be enforced.

Reporting someone for those things is called attempted censorship

You'd know that if you had read the rules. Very important: If you report someone for breaking the rules - make sure it is a rule

If it is not a rule - then it is a false report.


Q: Why haven't you banned <insert scammer username here> who is an obvious scammer?
A: Possible (or real, not for me to decide) scams are not moderated to prevent moderator abuse. If we start picking out which ones we call "scammers" and ban, we would make a lot of decisions based on biased opinions.

Q: Do you moderate/delete (possible) FUD, accusations and untrue information?
A: No. We don't have enough time to check every single piece of information and verify the validity of the sources. Also, just like scams - too much room for bias and abuse.

However, trolling isn't allowed. If a user is habitually posting obviously false nonsense ("obviously false nonsense" to an outsider, NOT to someone who follows or is involved in the discussion) just to stir up trouble, then it's considered trolling, which is prohibited. Such cases should be thoroughly documented in the report though (There are tons of reports that just say "trolling", but moderators don't have time to look through each user's post).

Q: Someone insulted me. Why aren't you deleting his post/thread?
A: Possible (since we don't have the time or resources to check) insults are also allowed as long as they contain any kind of constructive opinion, info or something else substantial and aren't off-topic. For example, posting something like "you are dumb" will be deleted as it contains no meaningful content. However, if the post is somewhere along the lines of "You are dumb. This is wrong because this website/thread/etc. has explained it's not right", it's in most cases accepted.

Here are the rules:
This is from a reference/educational/informational thread - it is NOT a rock solid list of rules.

The highlighting indicates how it is usually enforced:
Standard = usually discretionary / thread moved
Bold = deletion
Red = user ban
Blue = advisory rule

NOTE: This is meant to serve as a reference/educational/informational thread, NOT a rock solid list of rules.

1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads.

2. No off-topic posts.

3. No trolling.

4. No referral code (ref link) spam.

5. No link shorteners that require users to view an ad.

6. No linking to phishing or malware, without a warning and a valid reason.

7. No begging.

8. No threats to inflict bodily harm, death threats.

9. Discussions in the main boards must be in english. All other language discussions should be posted in the appropriate Local board.

10. No embedded NSFW images anywhere. NSFW content must be marked accordingly.

11. No linking to illegal trading sites.

12. No duplicate posting in multiple boards (except for re-posting it in the local language boards if it's translated).

13. Bumps, "updates" are limited to once per 24 hours.

14. All altcoin related discussion belongs in the Alternate cryptocurrencies and it's child boards.

15. No on-forum altcoin giveaways.

16. Do not have more than one active sales topic in the Currency exchange board.

17. Trading of goods that are illegal in the seller's or buyer's country is forbidden.

18. Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.

19. Possible (or real) scams and Trust ratings are not moderated (to prevent moderation abuse).

20. There are restrictions when selling accounts and invites for invite-only sites.

21. Old bumps should be deleted.

22. Advertising (this includes mining pools, gambling services, exchanges, shops, etc.) in others threads' is no longer allowed, including, but not limited to, in altcoin announcement threads.

23. When deciding if a user has broken the rules, the staff have the right to follow their interpretation of the rules.

24. Advertisements (including signatures within the post area) in posts aren't allowed unless the post is in a thread you started and is really substantial and useful.

25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.

26. Local thread rules, if stated properly when the thread was started, specific enough and don't conflict with the forum rules, have to be followed.

27. Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed.

28. Exploiting bugs or flaws (even if the result is harmless) in the forum's software is not allowed.

29. Sending unsolicited PMs, including but not limited to advertising and flood, is not allowed.

30. Similar marketplace items must be listed together.

31. User avatars must not contain NSFL or NSFW content, infringe on copyright or attempt to impersonate a user.

32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed.

33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.
231  Other / Meta / Re: [POLL] The Official Dirty Turds Poll - Which DT needs flushing first ??????????? on: November 05, 2019, 06:43:15 AM
Remember you have come this far, don't run away now. Stay until we have finished the public debate.

Still waiting for confirmation of Theymos as arbitrator.

But I don't mind answering those three questions.


1. Do you or have you in the last 3 months included on your trust list  lauda, tman or nutildah and do they include or have they included you in the last 3 months?  Please answer in full


All publicly viewable:
https://loyce.club/trust/2019-11-02_Sat_07.33h/897509.html
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

Nutildah and Tman are on my trust list.

I don't know Lauda well. Lauda has never been on my trust list and Lauda has not trusted me.
I do communicate with Lauda at times and the information they have sent to me has always been reliable.
There have been times I have strongly disagreed with Lauda but I don't expect everyone to always agree with my opinion.
Everyone is responsible for their own actions.

Tman was added to my list around August. I had issues with the zeroaxl issue (I did not follow it completely) which was very poor judgement but in my opinion not with malicious intent. His work on resolving the Russian issue made me regain faith in his ability to work through issues.
A lot of things happen behind the scenes that determine whether I do or do not trust someone.

I believe that Tman has always had me on his trust list but I didn't check.

Tman is a dick sometimes. But I believe his heart is in the right place and he is sometimes exactly what is needed.

I consider myself to be a moderate libertarian with liberal tendencies. I try to work with other opinions. Sometimes I learn new things from people with different opinions. Sometimes we just agree to disagree.

And the trust system is only going to work if there's some level of forgiveness and de-escalation.

Nutildah has been on my trust list since January. I did not know Nutildah at the time he offered his account for sale.

2. Do you accept that the purpose of negative trust is to place a warning of " financially high risk" or  " scammer"  ( since those are the 2 messages you get at the top of your threads if you meet certain thresholds theymos has set here for negative trust (old system) or flags (new system)). This is the PRIME and central reason for the negative trust and flagging systems. These are clearly theymos's intentions since they are his own words on the warning banners?

I agree with the wording used by Theymos. This is what Theymos said:

You should give these ratings for anything which you think would impact someone's willingness to trade with the person, but you should not use trust ratings to attack a person's opinions or otherwise talk about things which would not be relevant to reasonable prospective traders.


3. Is someone that lies or intentionally  deceives others for their own direct financial gain ..  a scammer and financially high risk? yes or no?

Whether something constitutes a lie or is deceptive is sometimes subjective.
Each situation has to be judged on its merits.

For instance -  having an alt account(1) and denying that it is an alt account (2) if that account has negative trust (3) that is a form of scamming.

In my opinion placing negative feedback require several important factors to be considered:

1) In my opinion - is this person involved consistently in deceptive conduct.
2) In my opinion - is this person unlikely to stop their conduct.
3) In my opinion - could this conduct result in the financial harm to other forum users. (Includes scamming and defamation)
4) In my opinion - can a rating potentially prevent such conduct.

My tagging principles are based on my interpretation of   Discussion about acceptable and unacceptable behavior. Community values. DT

We have so many threads like this nowadays, people twerking for merits.

There are a lot of pointless "summarize something obvious" posts, but IMO btcsmlcmnr's summary added something.

Forgiveness and de-escalation are key to getting Trust working smoothly:
 - Forgiveness: Often people make fairly small mistakes, but then they seemingly get red-trusted for life. This isn't really fair, and it discourages participation due to paranoia: if you think that you have a 1% chance of running afoul of some unwritten rule and getting red-trusted for life, you might just avoid the marketplace altogether. Red trust should mostly be based on an evaluation of what the person is likely to do in the future moreso than a punishment/mark-of-shame.
 - De-escalation: If some people end up locked in a feud where they're only really giving negative trust to each other in retaliation for negative trust, then one of them should propose burying the hatchet and removing the negative trust. Otherwise it never gets resolved, and everyone is worse-off for it.

I do not view it as appropriate for trust ratings to relate primarily to non-trust matters. By giving someone negative trust, you're basically attaching a note to all of their posts telling people "warning: do not trade with this person!". If we can get DT working well enough, in the future I'd like to prevent guests from even viewing topics by negative-trust users in trust-enabled sections, so you have to ask yourself whether your negative trust would warrant this sort of significant effect.

In particular, in my view:
 - Giving negative trust for being an annoying poster is inappropriate, since this has nothing to do with their trustworthiness. If they're disrupting discussion or never adding anything, then that's something for moderators to deal with, and you should report their posts and/or complain in Meta about it.
 - Giving negative trust for merit trading and deceptive alt-account use may be appropriate, but you should use a light touch so that people don't feel paranoid.
 - You should be willing to forgive past mistakes if the person seems unlikely to do it again.
 - It is absolutely not appropriate to give someone negative trust because you disagree with them. I'm disappointed in the reaction to this post. Although H8bussesNbicycles is perhaps not particularly trustworthy for other reasons, the reasons many people gave for neg-trusting him are inappropriate. You can argue that what he's advocating is bad on a utilitarian level, but he would disagree, and his advocacy of a certain Trust philosophy doesn't by itself mean that he's an untrustworthy person. DT selection is meant to be affected by user lists, and it is totally legitimate to try to honestly convince other (real) people to use a list more in-line with your views.
 
I'm not going to blacklist people from DT selection due to not following my views, since a big point of this new system is to get me less involved, but if a culture somewhat compatible with my views does not eventually develop, then I will consider this more freeform DT selection to be a failure, and I'll probably get rid of it in favor of enforcing custom trust lists.







232  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Game-Protect.com did not refund my money and stopped replying to my emails on: November 05, 2019, 01:21:06 AM
@ 1982dre, actmyname, addarmstrong, alexrossi, asphyxiate, Astargath, Avirunes, BigBoy89, bL4nkcode, bob123, bones261, cabalism, Captain Corporate, CASIO, ChiBitCTy, crwth, CryptopreneurBrainboss, DaveF, DiamondCardz, DireWolfM14, DreamerBT, eckmar, efialtis, examplens, Foxpup, Hakorede, HCP, Hhampuz, hopenotlate, iasenko, iluvbitcoins, Initscri, jimmyhate, JSRAW, Kalemder, Kevinn22, kruglikov, LeGaulois, LeonGhibli, LFC_Bitcoin, lighpulsar07, Lutpin, marlboroza, mindrust, Mirae, mocacinno, morvillz7z, mosprognoz, mu_enrico, NeuroticFish, nutildah, o_e_l_e_o, Pamoldar, pandukelana2712, PassThePopcorn, passwordnow, RHavar, rhomelmabini, robelneo, Rodeo02, Royse777, ScamViruS, sheenshane, Slow death,  squatz1, stompix, subSTRATA, suchmoon, SyGambler, TECSHARE, The Parmasist, TheUltraElite, TMAN, TwitchySeal, whitcher_sense, WinRateCasino, yahoo62278, yazher, yogg, Zwei

Your partner in crime xtraelv investigated that a legally binding agreement, let alone a written contract, does not exist! Smiley

1) UK law is similar to the law in most commonwealth countries.

For contracts to be legally binding, five essential elements must be present. There must be:

An offer;
Acceptance of the offer;
Consideration (i.e., some form of payment);
An intention to be legally bound by the contract; and
Certainty as to what the parties have agreed.

https://businessadvice.co.uk/business-development/business-planning/are-emails-legally-binding/

Consideration (i.e., some form of payment);
Does not exist!

Game Protect only takes donations without any legally binding agreement.

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https://game-protect.com/donate/

If you appreciate our worldwide only real and unbiased online gaming consumer protection service, your donation is welcome!

Real world legal aspects: Donations are given without return consideration.


An intention to be legally bound by the contract
Does not exist!

Game Protect does not make any contracts.

Deliberately misleading. I already posted a full rebuttal to your denials.

Game Protect does not make any contracts. Contracts are only made with the enforcement foundation. Smiley

This is where you are wrong.

You deceived the h4ns by stating that he would get a refund by 30 June 2019.

Whether you believe this is a contract is irrelevant.

h4ns believed he was making a contract with you and as a result of the promise made by you transferred the funds.

Whether you like it or not - you made a contract with h4ns to send the 210 euro to the foundation.

Whether you get the 210 euro back from the foundation is irrelevant. You owe h4ns 210 euro.

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How does Game Protect make money? What are the numbers?
The site is barely making enough money to cover expenses, with the monthly profit being about 300/month. The sites makes money from:

– Affiliate commissions.

– Monthly/yearly contributions.

– Individual orders for investigation and assistance.

How big is your team? What do they do and what are their backgrounds?
The number of participants varies depending on the cases and whether it includes lawyers, private investigators and IT experts.

I personally have good knowledge with regards to civil laws, criminal laws and private investigations.
Source: https://bitcoin-millionaire.com/business-gameprotect/
Archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20191104234928/https://bitcoin-millionaire.com/business-gameprotect/





233  Economy / Reputation / Re: Please make your vote for the flag created against game-protect on: November 05, 2019, 01:05:35 AM
234  Economy / Reputation / Re: Please make your vote for the flag created against game-protect on: November 04, 2019, 11:51:09 PM
Game Protect does not make any contracts. Contracts are only made with the enforcement foundation. Smiley

This is where you are wrong.

You deceived the h4ns by stating that he would get a refund by 30 June 2019.

Whether you believe this is a contract is irrelevant.

h4ns believed he was making a contract with you and as a result of the promise made by you transferred the funds.

Whether you like it or not - you made a contract with h4ns to send the 210 euro to the foundation.

Whether you get the 210 euro back from the foundation is irrelevant. You owe h4ns 210 euro.

Quote
How does Game Protect make money? What are the numbers?
The site is barely making enough money to cover expenses, with the monthly profit being about 300/month. The sites makes money from:

– Affiliate commissions.

– Monthly/yearly contributions.

– Individual orders for investigation and assistance.

How big is your team? What do they do and what are their backgrounds?
The number of participants varies depending on the cases and whether it includes lawyers, private investigators and IT experts.

I personally have good knowledge with regards to civil laws, criminal laws and private investigations.
Source: https://bitcoin-millionaire.com/business-gameprotect/
Archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20191104234928/https://bitcoin-millionaire.com/business-gameprotect/


235  Economy / Reputation / Re: Please make your vote for the flag created against game-protect on: November 04, 2019, 10:24:45 PM
Quote
https://game-protect.com/donate/

If you appreciate our worldwide only real and unbiased online gaming consumer protection service, your donation is welcome!

Judgements by extremely mentally ill and or brain dead bitcointalk accounts do not have any validity in the real world! Roll Eyes

Please show the judgement by a real world court that my emails are a written contracts Huh


2) It is in writing.
Really, emails are written? Cheesy


3) You did ruin your reputation because you breached the conditions of the contract by not returning the 210 Euro on 30 June 2019.
Thank you for confirming that this false and misleading scam accusation ruined my reputation. Smiley

Game-Protect.com did not refund my money and stopped replying to my emails


1) UK law is similar to the law in most commonwealth countries.
For a contract via email to be legally binding under UK law there needs to be:
An offer;
Acceptance of the offer;
Consideration (i.e., some form of payment);
An intention to be legally bound by the contract; and
Certainty as to what the parties have agreed.

https://businessadvice.co.uk/business-development/business-planning/are-emails-legally-binding/

Under USA law
https://www.icaew.com/archive/library/subject-gateways/law/legal-alert/2018-02/case-law-court-confirms-emails-can-create-legally-binding-contracts

2) Yes - they are a written form of communication.

3) Your reputation - by your own conduct - was already absolutely rubbish.  I cannot imagine how this could ruin it even more. What this claim proved was that you go to extreme lows to deceive people from their funds. The only person that has a fantasy that you have a "good reputation" - is you.

4) By making the claim that it is a donation and by falsely claiming that "there is no contract"  you make it absolutely obvious with your current argument  to everyone that:

If we were to accept your argument then using your own logic and terminology:

a) You made a written statement that you had no intention of keeping in an effort to get a non refundable "donation".
b) You used your "reputation" to convince him to accept that "promise".
c) You have now clearly and publicly stated that you had no intention of keeping that promise because you consider it a "donation".


236  Economy / Reputation / Re: Please make your vote for the flag created against game-protect on: November 04, 2019, 03:20:28 PM
@ 1982dre, actmyname, addarmstrong, alexrossi, asphyxiate, Astargath, Avirunes, BigBoy89, bL4nkcode, bob123, bones261, cabalism, Captain Corporate, CASIO, ChiBitCTy, crwth, CryptopreneurBrainboss, DaveF, DiamondCardz, DireWolfM14, DreamerBT, eckmar, efialtis, examplens, Foxpup, Hakorede, HCP, Hhampuz, hopenotlate, iasenko, iluvbitcoins, Initscri, jimmyhate, JSRAW, Kalemder, Kevinn22, kruglikov, LeGaulois, LeonGhibli, LFC_Bitcoin, lighpulsar07, Lutpin, marlboroza, mindrust, Mirae, mocacinno, morvillz7z, mosprognoz, mu_enrico, NeuroticFish, nutildah, o_e_l_e_o, Pamoldar, pandukelana2712, PassThePopcorn, passwordnow, RHavar, rhomelmabini, robelneo, Rodeo02, Royse777, ScamViruS, sheenshane, Slow death,  squatz1, stompix, subSTRATA, suchmoon, SyGambler, TECSHARE, The Parmasist, TheUltraElite, TMAN, TwitchySeal, whitcher_sense, WinRateCasino, xtraelv, yahoo62278, yazher, yogg, Zwei

Please show the written contract?

Quote
h4ns alleges: game-protect violated a written contract, resulting in damages, in the specific act referenced here. game-protect did not make the victims of this act roughly whole, AND it is not the case that all of the victims forgave the act. It is not grossly inaccurate to say that the act occurred around July 2019. No previously-created flag covers this same act, unless the flag was created with inaccurate data preventing its acceptance.

You've been told numerous times now.

Based on what is published here:

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183189.0

1) It is a contract. (Yes - I did actually study contract law at University)
2) It is in writing.
3) You did ruin your reputation because you breached the conditions of the contract by not returning the 210 Euro on 30 June 2019.

I don't know what makes you so stupid, but it really works.

237  Other / Meta / Re: [POLL] The Official Dirty Turds Poll - Which DT needs flushing first ??????????? on: November 04, 2019, 01:53:02 PM

What a total idiot and embarrassment.


Of course I talk like an idiot ! How else would you understand me? You are embarrassed for me ? How cute !  


What is it with these little bears? look you can bring them to the fight and let your mommy hold them and do their little voices to support you from the ring side hahaha


Yes - the bears make me feel at ease in such a combative environment. Whats wrong with that ?

Crushing minds, stomping boots. I only have the cuddle of a care bear to offer to such a macho brute. Obviously I'm under-resourced for the job.

This is probably about as tough as I can manage without the aid of more bears :



In your wall of words you complain about account sellers.

I dislike account sellers and account buyers. Selling accounts often leads to scams. But generally I have only ever tagged them if the account was used in a proven scam, proven bounty cheating where the manager complains or symilar conduct . However I do not disapprove of others that do tag sold accounts or account sellers.

So no double standard there. I'm also not about to change my personal criteria for tagging.

Also I have never been a merit source.

So many wrong assumptions from Mr The One. If you spend more time reading and less time rambling....then you might actually learn something.


" that's it xldiv, keep ramming your face into his heel like that over and over" " that's it now you're almost unconscious and looking like you have been hit by a train , you are certainly winning, look at him not a single scratch"    the little bears chant...hahaha




"look the fact he is not actually giving you the death blow and allowing you to survive proves he is a total wussy and knows you would kick his ass xldiv, you are still our hero " says the little  care bears from meta...haha


Ewwwww that sounds like you are having a wet dream. I hope you didn't make a mess.

I'm sure that sounded much better in your head.

238  Other / Meta / Re: [POLL] The Official Dirty Turds Poll - Which DT needs flushing first ??????????? on: November 04, 2019, 01:15:41 PM

<snip> irrelevant wordwall


One moment claiming to be crushing my mind. Next backing out just the simplest agreement that you suggested and I accepted.

Didn't take long for you to try to weazel out of this one. I thought so much. Just cheap talk. Nothing to back it up.



Lets see the sequence of the conversation :


I'd be happy to do it if it is with an independent arbitrator to ensure the debate is an actual debate and not just one of your circus stunts where you dance around naked claiming victory. DO YOU ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE ?  YES or NO ?

The ONLY arbiter we would accept is THEYMOS

I accept Theymos as arbitrator.

<snip>
2) It is up to you to convince Theymos to judge it and to prove he will be judging it. He is your suggestion. I accepted. Theymos decision will be final.
<snip>
4) If you back out - it breaks the agreement that I just accepted.



239  Other / Meta / Re: Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny on: November 04, 2019, 05:22:55 AM
This thread has some amusing quips
Do not make me laugh! Who should I complain to? To the Lord God?
I wrote complaints 2 years ago to the Forum Administrator, but he doesn’t give a damn about it!
I think this is one mafia! Moderators support forum fraud, and share revenue with the Administrator!
I have no other explanation!

So what do you expect is going to be different now? The Lord God is probably not reading this and thou hast evaded thy ban 26 times.

I think it's time to write about this forum, in other places! It's time to punish the existence of this fraudulent forum!
I will write a complaint to American Cangres!
240  Other / Meta / Re: [POLL] The Official Dirty Turds Poll - Which DT needs flushing first ??????????? on: November 04, 2019, 12:51:32 AM

NOW he comes crying about ad hominem straight after his own derailing ad hominem gender and identity crisis speculations and fungi jibes. What a total idiot and embarrassment.


So after stomping xldivs mind into the dirt in public and pulling part all of his pathetic low functioning blathering and excuses for his friends undeniably dirty deeds and making fun of them to the degree he simply abandons them and moves to the next one.

You were boasting about it. Now you are whinging that I pointed it out ? You, yourself and I - please make up your mind !

FAILING TO MEET OUR CHALLENGE MEANS YOU ARE AFRAID UNDER SCRUTINY YOU WILL BE FOUND TO BE CLEARLY CORRUPT .

non sequitur

Failing to take action when there is no obligation to act is not proof of anything. Corruption requires "Mens rea".

The ONLY arbiter we would accept is THEYMOS

I accept Theymos as arbitrator.

However I see some issues for you.

1) Theymos has already outed you as Cryptohunters alt.


You (cryptohunter) might've had some case for the trust system being broken if you had handled your initial trust issues with rationality and patience instead of absolutely losing your mind and throwing lies around, and even now I could imagine your red trust eventually being cleared if you were able to attain a stable mindset.

2) It is up to you to convince Theymos to judge it and to prove he will be judging it. He is your suggestion. I accepted. Theymos decision will be final.

3) Theymos is on DT1  and has not tagged any of the people you complain about.

4) If you back out - it breaks the agreement that I just accepted.






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