I am invested in a number of coin/token projects, and always interested in diversifying. But the behaviour and community of a particular coin is a very big factor in my decisions. Maidsafe and SEC I am all over.
Monero looks interesting and would probably be on my list of investments but I see the same individual trolling in numerous threads I'm in, and that has shut me down to investing into Monero. Probably there is a great community over at XMR but I just am not interested in checking it out as it has left a bad taste in my mouth.
I have no time, energy, or passion for debate, but it is possible that you (Icebreaker) might be doing your Monero community harm. Or I could be wrong, but just my 2 cents....
Cool story bro. I like the part where you deflect criticism of Maid's failure to launch by preemptively rage-quitting a completely unrelated project. We can't expect a noob like you to be aware of it, but I was speaking my mind long before Monero existed and won't stop just to appease some whining pleb nobody. Wow, Maid is still struggling to implement Kademlia on TCP. And you think they have a chance of reinventing a New & Improved UDP layer? Good luck with that. What the world really needs right now is yet another entry on this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_P2P#List_of_anonymous_P2P_networks_and_clients  |
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I think tha Classic movement is fading day after day.
Classic's last hope died when the Buttcoiners working among the Gavinistas decided to block segwit using 5% of the hashrate. Classic couldn't survive the stunning hypocrisy of whining about delays in a tps bump, then suddenly committing to prolonging that delay. |
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Here's the latest Dev-Update: MaidSafe Dev Update 5th April 2016Follow the development through GitHub/Maidsafe. getting the MVP out is taking a bit longer than we all expected
the decision has been taken to slightly change direction with the MVP and initially release a TCP only MVP.
Another Fail and yet more delay? What a surprise! I'm shocked to find out one does not simply reinvent TCP.  Putting Kademlia on TCP was done successfully 14 years ago. It's called eDonkey and Skype and Limewire and Freenet. So much for Maid's blue sky dream of making (and collecting rent from) their own pay-to-play TAWP SEKRIT internet with blackjack and hookers. Unbelievable it would take Maid 10 years to make yet another 2nd gen p2p platform, with some trendy NOW WITH MOAR BLOCKCHAIN stuff pasted on for fundraising and marketing purposes. |
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I don't know what any particular country does, but the idea of countries claiming jurisdiction over those doing business with their own residents, even if the business is located elsewhere is not unique to the US. It is very widespread if not nearly universal. Most countries would not stand up to the US over this not only because the US is powerful and gets away with laws like FACTA and strongarming everyone into MLATs, but just because they want the same powers for themselves. US companies have been on the receiving end here in several high profile cases and probably many smaller ones. Any nation with rudimentary securities regulation will have issues with crypto-scams offering a quasi-legal boiler-room prospectus like this one: http://www.digitalcatallaxy.com/report2015.htmlor an elevator pitch like these: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg14418341#msg14418341https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za7JxaSYfQQ(Sucks to see Amanda jump the shark so quickly. Her show could have done better than suffering Certain D000M as The DailyDash. She could have been a contender.  ) |
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Well thanks for admitting you have no shred of an argument remaining, as you are now resorting to complete nonsense.
Now we've determined that another likely reason for your inability to comprehend the trouble you are in, is because you simply lack sufficient IQ (or are so disingenuous and deluded into thinking people are stupid enough to not understand you just stated nonsense).
33% ever of 84mn = 27.7mn 33% ever of 21mn = 6.93mn Neither of these are even possible 26 months later (because the coin supply is still less than 33% of 21mn - currently at 6.3mn). And you continue pretending I don't make sense? Seriously...? Can you continue pretending you didn't read (or comprehend) my rebuttal to that. Ask someone with sufficient IQ to translate this for you: But that is not even needed. You are totally disingenuous. The masternode scheme pays out the new coins proportional to the holdings percentage of the coin supply at inception. Duh!
Icebreaker's argument was: Dash's fiasco of a ninja-launch, featuring an "accidental" 33% of all coins ever going to the dev and a handful of insiders more or less right away, is the functional equivalent of a premine.
Your attempt to patch it up is pathetic at best. Instamine + compounding Masternode payments + control of Dash budget = 33% of all Dash ever Perhaps my estimate is too low. Did you get a higher number?  |
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People who make the first letter of their nick lowercase and capitalize the rest:
dEBRUYNE
iCEBREAKER
Am I missing anybody?
cAPSLOCK You guys really get bored when XMR is only up 3%.  |
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The price rise is a good thing for Monero from many perspectives:
1) As you said, more businesses get interested
2) When a whale needs to buy some expensive drink he doesn't need to crash the price in doing so (only a small number of coins spent will buy anything)
3) Increasing price encourages adoption - better than any advertisements on television or newspapers
4) The development will become more rewarding, thus hurrying things up.
5) No more whining on threads as nobody is underwater (I have not been underwater for loong time)
Perhaps you can come up even more arguments why increasing price trend (bull market) is better than bear market (which is the problem with fiat money in form of inflation).
6) As we are sitting on profits, it becomes more feasible to invest in further XMR project funding and Superbowl halftime ads. 7) Space yachting. |
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An instamine is a premine...
What? Say again. Technically instamines are different than premines because of differences in esoteric coinbase origin stories. Premines must be created by the devs, while instamines are slightly more democratic in that there could be any number of participants. A well advertised instamine with many participants may be just a coin with an unusually large early emission, so they are not as necessarily centralized as premines. In Dash's case, technicalities about genesis blocks aren't sufficient distinctions to make a difference, especially when the terms normally apply to coins that (accurately/honestly) pre-announce intention to have insta/pre mines (usually for funding purposes). Dash's fiasco of a ninja-launch, featuring an "accidental" 33% of all coins ever going to the dev and a handful of insiders more or less right away, is the functional equivalent of a premine. Dash conspicuously lacks a strictly and successfully mathematically defined emission curve, which is the basis for any legitimate Bitcoin-like e-cash/digital hard asset. Dash is whatever Duffield feels like doing this week. In the Evan's Gate cult, there is no social contract other than "Obey Supreme Master Duffield; He is our Satoshi." Dash has nothing like BTC's 21 million coin limit, which makes it even more implausible that Duffield couldn't burn the instamine or relaunch with fair notice and a patch for the "accidental" instamine-causing "bug." With Masternodes being sold as a HYIP, THE DARKCOIN FOUNDTION INC's entire cockamamie scheme reeks of malfeasance. |
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On freenode people are talking about cachecoin being official currency to buy scrypt asics. As I want to invest in asics soon enough I wonder if this are only rumours or this is official? Any idea? Where can I buy the coins, is there any shop or similar accepting USD or BTC?
Sorry if this question sounds like a total idiot posting, I'm still new to all this.
Supposedly, the above was penned by Kyle Hagan, Evan's business partner for ~10 years. Evan's name is on the original Mt Gox dump circa 2012(?): 17948,eduffield,eduffield82@gmail.com,$1$IX8XnTys$G.gMzWBuZ0Lv.PjBL7ogU0 Kyle and Evan would've gotten involved in Bitcoin at virtually the same time. Reference:
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i left because i disagree darkcoin or however it will be called next year is not a decentralized entity. it never was but i ignored it as long as darkcoin was following the same path i was following. the path to total financial privacy. and thats why i am so upset about how this currency is lead by a single person. darkcoin is like an old conservative company with strong hierarchical comamnd structures and a single person on the top of the pyramid. evan duffield. the rebranding using a detergent name was just a step forward in creating something like apple or paypal. fuck this i tell you. what we need is a trustless, decentralized and anonymous currency. darkcoin is not decentralized as it still relies on a single person. and this reaches deep into the code base.
the core devs were just a bunch of volunteers exploited for the big thing. the extended darkcoin team was the same with even a lower place to sit on that pyramid. and what was the darkcoin foundation again? right, something to reserve some rights on some names and collect money. who nominated and voted for the foundation board? who does even know who are these guys? how did we learn about the foundation? from local news papers! the team listings kept counting names of people nobody ever noticed before. and they never committed anything visible to the community or the repository. and i was spending 25 hours a day monitory everything that happened in the darkcoin community for more than a year. the things going on here are fishy, intransparent and rely on a single entity.
i will get out and and will contribute to something decentralized and anonymous. i always hoped darkcoin could fill that void. i cant blame anyone to stay with this project. you are probably investors trying to win a gold donkey. or you are simply trying to exploit every possible vector of profit in the coins space. whatever. you are not here because darkcoin is something it claims to be.
if you disagree with my statement above, i dont care, but answer that simple question: what if evan duffield suddenly announces he quits the project tomorrow morning?
good luck
Wow. Vertoe unmasked as Kyle Hagen is one damn fine plot twist! Here's more context and proof of the DashHole's bad faith. First, they threatened Kyle's family when he left. Second, Greg Maxwell confirms Duffield had no interest in technical discussion (only using the BTC core dev's name for Dash marketing). https://dashtalk.org/threads/kyle-hagan-is-no-longer-part-of-the-development-team.3225/#post-33461I understand that this is a personal issue but the tone of the language used by Kyle in IRC made many people in the community including myself upset and angry. Kyle needs to understand that many have invested their time and money in this technology and any threat to this investment will not be taken lightly nor will be ignored.
A person who has a known location, known identity, young children and other responsibilities should act smarter and avoid making unwanted attention by getting drunk and talking shit. That's all I can say publicly about this issue and urge Kyle Hagan be smart about what he does and talks in the future. Wow, the Evan's Gate cult enforcers act like Scientology when it comes to threatening anyone that dares to leave the compound. WTF is with a community that threatens young children because they don't like a parent's "tone?" The FBI should be having a very frank discussion with Evan and that Light creep.  Did you hear just what I said? Please read it again. RATIONAL DISCUSSION
You are a disgrace even for the trolls
I gave you a link to RATIONAL DISCUSSION, in the form of #Bitcoin-wizards analyzing the various factors which make Dash "bad crypto." That's what you asked for. Anyway, lurkers are free to read it and decide for themselves: https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/2014-11-27/?msg=26349785&page=4Oh look, gmax says Team DashHole was never interested in ACTUAL TECHNICAL DISCUSSION: |
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Don't get what this coin is? But it was released in 2014.
Why anybody say maidsafe has been around for 10 years?
Am I mistaken it for something else?
From their web site, if they can get Dropbox kind of app working will be good milestone to pump and dump, I guess.
Yeah I know, it sounds like a whole bunch of bullshit but I keep hearing about it. I just can't imagine any other coin gaining any real traction in the altcoin world. I think the new trend is going to be ETH clones and spinoffs. Maid is a bunch of bullshit. Only the noob millennial kids are impressed with yet another attempt to make a new internet (with blackjack and hookers). Maid's window of opportunity closed ~10 years ago, when i2p/Freenet/TOR/VPN became things. And now we have better (ie blockchain-based) alternatives, such as SIA and STORJ and zeronet. Why pay for Maid's centralized formal legal structure and organizational overhead (and share their counterpary/firm risk) when zeronet, i2p, and TOR are free? Maid is like a shabbier version of Kim Dotcom's MegaNet. And the same basic critique applies: "Having a branded net seems like a massive step backwards."Hey MaidSafe, 2002 called and wants you to give back it's lame attempts at creating branded Internets!  |
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Stop spamming your crap in here. Check your trust level, you are only busy with spamming and trolling. Like i said, it is getting bored
See what I mean? We can't talk about Maid's lack of a working version (10 years and millions in IPO $$$ later) or the hand-waving intensifies. It's on-topic to discuss alternatives to Maid. You're just whining because those alternatives (Freenet, SIA, STORJ, i2p, IPFS, zeronet, etc.) are free, actually work, and aren't centralized IPO trash. I love the irony of being accused of "spamming" by some noob with a commercial advert not only in his sig, but personal text as well. I'll be sure to not use that VPN, and recommend nobody else does either. Why don't you answer Shunak's pertinent question? If you are getting bored, try finding a new hobby. Maybe start knitting or volunteering at the nursing home or homeless shelter.  |
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[logical fallacy]
Using an appeal to the supposed hypocrisy of Dash's critics to deflect their criticism of Dash is a logical fallacy. I won't confuse you with the fancy Latin term, but you can learn more about it here: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque"Pronounced too-kwo-kwee." Hope that helps. Dash, by the way, is an instamined coin with bad crypto and sold using HYIP snake oil marketing. It's obvious to everyone. Not sure why Gleb has a soft spot for Duffield, who hasn't risen to the occasion by coming here to defend the instamine, shameless pumping, cargo cult crypto code, etc. Maybe this has something to do with Gleb's fondness for Duffield's long con: They've used pretty girls in bikinis all my life to sell cars, so what the heck is it with everyone getting so damn prude in Miami of all places? Whatever...!
A rowdy, boozy car show is a completely different atmosphere than a calm, professional cryptography conference. Investment and tech people are mostly there to be serious during business hours and don't expect crude, gimmicky, hard-sell techniques like a stripper in a thong. Do you think every venue in Miami is appropriate for sleazy come-ons, just Because Miami? Have you been to Miami? It's a huge city, and not at all 100% titty bars, clubs, and beaches. The "damn prude" defense of this incident shows how far you will go to rationalize anything negative about Dash. Instead of letting it go and supporting an apology for the embarrassed conference security guards/organizers, you deflect with your normal attack-the-attacker strategy. The 'Dash can do no wrong' act is getting old. This is what we are supposed to believe is some neckbeard's "girlfriend."  Sorry, not buying it. Those shoes say "paid by the half-hour" not "Bitcoin widow." I feel sorry for the guys in the next booth. They paid to exhibit at BTCMIAMI only to have Dash make it look like they are selling lap dances. The hooker sex worker cameo was completely unprofessional, and (exactly like the unprofessionalism/incompetency of the Instamine) you just refuse to accept that fact. Cars are "visual" they are in front you shiny and glamorous...it is normal to boost the image by adding some pretty girls there because it is "visual" "Digital" "currency" that exist inside the internet is "not visual" so adding some "sexy" "real" person there is really a desperate move whoever is responsible here??? is really quiet LOL |
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Gleb is usually so eager to pounce on almost anything as conclusive evidence, yet still isn't convinced Duffield is a PoS? WTF? Here, maybe some BTC core devs' low opinions of Duffield's XCoin-->Darkcoin-->Dash scam will persuade him. Your pump and dump dance would probably be more effective if you were less transparently dishonest in your approach.
From what I can tell the only purpose DarkCoin serves is to depress me about the state of humanity.
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 Now that Lightning is being tested on Segnet4, there is no future for Dash's silly attempt to scale Layer 1 using Masternodes (especially when InstantX lacks the malleability fixes segwit provides). Exmo  Dash  |
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Debruyne, Smooth, Icebreaker... the monero dream team came here, out of pure altruism, to show the world how big of a scammer eduffield is...
How about some actual victims where Evan took their money. Oh you have none... I see... So the only thing we have is butthurt altcoin competitors, trying to destroy the functionality of a thread that is intended for a very specific and very important purpose, down to the level of an altcoin mud contest-thread.
The Monero dream team is Shen, fluffypony, and the rest of the people at https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/graphs/contributors. As for your assertion about Evan's lack of actual victims, we already debunked that months ago by showing you an actual victim. Did you forget this? Lol so a Dash Defense account and a Dash Core team member "see no scam here". Is that your fake account Ghostplayer? This guy got scammed:  Great find! I hope that victim of the Dash scam has contacted the appropriate LEA and regulatory bodies. So much for the DashHoles' 'absence of evidence is evidence of absence' defense! These cultist fucktards don't even understand basic logic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying_the_antecedentP.S. Anyone know how many Masternodes Cryptsy is/was running with their customers' coins? There are TLAs pulling at the string of their Paycoin Master Controller scam (which is basically the same thing), so I expect the rest of the sweater will unravel eventually.... |
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What was that massive sell?
Instamine being dumped. Evolution, Exmo, and 2MB blocks aren't impressing the market. Lightning is being tested on Segnet4, but we don't hear a thing about Bitcoin's amazing new features (CLTV/CSV/SEGWIT/RBF) being added to Dash. Payment channels like Lightning are what will enable crypto at Visa scale; trusted Masternodes using InstantX is a nonstarter for anything less trivial than vending machines. |
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Until Evan makes FULL DISCLOSURE of the truth, then he is scammer. There is no other valid sentiment.
Even if disclosure were made now, there have been two years of deception, obfuscation, and spin (not only by Evan but by the other useful idiots like AlexGR who, assuming no more explicit involvement, got in early and allowed themselves to be recruited by their own greed as accomplices). That can't be erased from history any more than MtGox would cease to be a scam if Karpeles showed up and told us the missing coins, that he misled people about for possibly years, was all just a big accident. Anyone who bought Dash on the basis, in whole or part, of misleading statements from Evan or the others and then lost money has been scammed.Thus a correction is needed: Evan Duffield, along with AlexGR and the rest of the Dash shills who continue to scam investors (DASH) Now where is that Reddit post by the guy who was scammed by Evan? I think it's in one of these links... So much proof of scam, so little time. Here's the TLDR: What evan did was;
1) Released Darkcoin/Dash
2) Put the block reward at 500 coins per block
3) Make it only available to the extremely small pool of linux users(So his buddies and himself could get the majority of coins)
4) Instamine darkcoin with a few of his buddies
5) Cut Darkcoin's block rewards over 50% from 500 to under 100
6) Cut Darkcoin's max coin supply by 50%
7) End the instamine within 40 hours and go on his merry way
What makes that even worse, was that he made the masternodes as a way to continue enriching himself, so he could gain even more $ from the coins he instamined. Within 40 hours over 2million Darkcoins were mined by Evan and a few others at darkcoins/DASH's release.
If this isnt a scam, then I dont know what is.
Longer version: Good news everyone! A whistleblower has emerged from within the Dark-Coin scam. This insider, vertoe, was a core dev and thus in a position to speak with authority on specifics of the scam: So yes there is ideology behind this coin : privacy, liberty, freedom, try to make the world less directed by "power" and more with the heart...
I hope that changing the name will not make the ideology behind it change too, otherwhise it will failed.
There's no ideology in something that nobody uses. The ideology's in the design, not the name. Vertoe is justified in leaving over not being consulted but less so over 'ideology'. It's not a rock song that's being built here it's electronic money. The name can easily be compromised without any loss of principle but the functionality can't. So Evan has got his priorities right in that regard. no.
i left because i disagree darkcoin or however it will be called next year is not a decentralized entity. it never was but i ignored it as long as darkcoin was following the same path i was following. the path to total financial privacy. and thats why i am so upset about how this currency is lead by a single person. darkcoin is like an old conservative company with strong hierarchical comamnd structures and a single person on the top of the pyramid. evan duffield. the rebranding using a detergent name was just a step forward in creating something like apple or paypal. fuck this i tell you. what we need is a trustless, decentralized and anonymous currency. darkcoin is not decentralized as it still relies on a single person. and this reaches deep into the code base.
the core devs were just a bunch of volunteers exploited for the big thing. the extended darkcoin team was the same with even a lower place to sit on that pyramid. and what was the darkcoin foundation again? right, something to reserve some rights on some names and collect money. who nominated and voted for the foundation board? who does even know who are these guys? how did we learn about the foundation? from local news papers! the team listings kept counting names of people nobody ever noticed before. and they never committed anything visible to the community or the repository. and i was spending 25 hours a day monitory everything that happened in the darkcoin community for more than a year. the things going on here are fishy, intransparent and rely on a single entity.
i will get out and and will contribute to something decentralized and anonymous. i always hoped darkcoin could fill that void. i cant blame anyone to stay with this project. you are probably investors trying to win a gold donkey. or you are simply trying to exploit every possible vector of profit in the coins space. whatever. you are not here because darkcoin is something it claims to be.
if you disagree with my statement above, i dont care, but answer that simple question: what if evan duffield suddenly announces he quits the project tomorrow morning?good luck |
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