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2261  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] BitcoinStore.com (Beta) - Electronics super store with over 500K items! on: December 30, 2013, 07:03:02 AM
You haven't received your order because the NSA is busy intercepting the packages and inserting backdoors.

Maybe.
2262  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Micro funding platform to allow startups to raise seed capital with Bitcoin on: December 30, 2013, 05:29:51 AM
If you're in the US you can use AngelList's syndicates now, which means you can effectively invest in startups with 100$. To build this on Bitcoin will be difficult or impossible, when you want integration with the law. To make Bitcoin effective there will be a lot of political work to be done, besides the technical work. Pretending laws don't exist is not at all the right attitude IMO. I'm not sure in how far courts/the legal system can be "replaced" with software. I haven't seen a good theory of how that would work in practise (and I've been involved with this on a practical level).
http://bitcoinism.blogspot.com/2013/12/lex-cryptographia.html
2263  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 30, 2013, 12:18:59 AM
Placeholder variable/function.
2264  Other / Meta / Re: Stop a thread from appearing in 'Show new replies to your posts' on: December 30, 2013, 12:17:51 AM
You can't and the admins aren't going to help except tell you to use the Watchlist.
2265  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 29, 2013, 11:33:27 PM
[sarcasm]This means that we will eventually approach a singularity where the bitcoin price becomes infinite.  The only way for this to happen is for the USD to go to zero as well.[/sarcasm]
There are two possible outcomes for Bitcoin.

Either it fails completely, or else this happens. There is no stable equilibrium between those two extremes.
2266  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 29, 2013, 11:24:36 PM
You composition actually makes the rate at which BTC increases dependent on the rate at which USD decreases. Was that what you had in mind?
The BTC exchange rate depends on two related but independent factors: it's inherent utility growth due to increased adoption, and the simultaneous degradation in the USD which it is referenced to.
2267  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What will you do when the Bitcoin ecosystem SHRINKS? on: December 29, 2013, 11:13:06 PM
What will you do when a new wave of trolls attacks the forum by starting bullshit threads all over the place?
2268  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 29, 2013, 11:05:05 PM
f(h)=eh
h(x)=ex

f(x)=eex

That's a double exponential instead of a double-log S curve, but the same transformation applies there too.
2269  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2013-12-28] New York Times (Paul Krugman's blog) : Bitcoin is Evil on: December 29, 2013, 11:00:37 PM
The government, or "they" refers to the larger system itself, and not directly to the individuals that make up the system.  The system takes on a life and personality of its own.
Recently I've tried to stop using "the government" in favour of using "government" as a plural noun.
2270  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 29, 2013, 10:56:26 PM
Errrm, nothing? Not super exponential growth at least, if that's what you mean.

And I honestly don't know what function would even look S like when mapped to log.
A constant purchasing power line would look exponential when graphed in USD terms.

If Bitcoin is increasing in exponential purchasing power terms, then the graph of Bitcoin compared to the USD should be "double" exponential.

We're looking at a composition of two functions, not a single standard function.
2271  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 29, 2013, 10:43:07 PM
[I know, I know Smiley I participated in the previous discussion of that idea. Didn't we conclude that the well known S shaped "tech adoption" curve would still be a straight line when mapped to log. Why does BTC deserve a "super S", if I may ask?
Maybe Bitcoin "true" adoption curve is straight on a log scale (until the inflection point).

The long term trend line of USD purchasing power is exponentially decreasing.

What happens when you graph the value of an exponentially-increasing currency in terms of units which are exponentially decreasing at the same time?
2272  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2013-12-28] New York Times (Paul Krugman's blog) : Bitcoin is Evil on: December 29, 2013, 10:40:11 PM
I am frustrated by the number of posters here who see "the government" (aka "they") as some monolithic, Borg-like entity, with a single purpose and perfect coordination.  The truth is that "government" is a bunch of individuals with various viewpoints and ideologies.  The current system sticks together right now because, on the whole, its working for the people involved.
The one thing you can say about government is they share certain common features in terms of goals and ways of achieving them - otherwise they would not all work in the same organization.

So it's valid shorthand most of the time to treat them as a single entity.
2273  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 29, 2013, 10:37:19 PM
A log trend line (more precisely: linear regression on log charted price history) is a nice little tool to get a feeling for where we are at any point in time compared to the historic trend, and where we're going to be, very very roughly, in a few months or a year from now.
I don't think Bitcoin's long term trendline is going to be straight on a log graph - I think it's going to trace an S curve graphed in log space.

http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#igDailyzczsg2011-11-01zeg2013-12-30ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zl

Throw away the data from before November '11, while the exchanges were trying to figure out how to operate, and what do you see?
2274  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 29, 2013, 10:19:53 PM
My opinion is it will drop suddenly, or go up suddenly, or stay the same. I know this because of teh research.
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.
2275  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Man w/ pink tutu at Bitcoin Conference "It all started on the Bitcointalk forum" on: December 29, 2013, 10:02:54 PM
Great to hear that conferences regarding bitcoin are being held.
Yeah, actually there have been one or two Bitcoin conferences...

Seriously, the conferences are almost non-stop all around the world now. The only thing that has increased faster than the frequency of Bitcoin conferences is the exchange rate.
2276  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin In India Under attack :- global community please help on: December 29, 2013, 09:23:48 PM
Now they have started calling us gangs

http://www.thehindu.com/business/Economy/bitcoin-gang-gets-67-new-ecurriences-value-grows-to-13-bn/article5515128.ece

I am starting to re-think why i would want to stay in such an ignorant country.
That's pretty much what you should expect.

Central banking and the people who control it are at war with the rest of humanity, or at best see everybody else as subjects to be ruled over or livestock to be harvested.

The clash between Bitcoin and central banking will be violent, not because Bitcoin is violent, but because they are ready, willing, and able to bring violence against anything that threatens their monopoly.

Why do you think Krugman said "The US Dollar is backed by men with guns"? That wasn't simply a quip - it's as clear and honest a warning as you're going to get from them.

You're not talking about fundamentally honest people who will gracefully step aside when something better comes along - these are ruthless mafiasos who don't care who they have to crush to maintain their position.
2277  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you really think governments will allow a 500 billion dollar crypto-economy? on: December 29, 2013, 09:21:39 PM
This is a fundamental fallacy shared by many bitcoiners. Governments can easily 'not allow' bitcoin (for all intents and purposes) by simply passing a new law saying any ISP relaying bitcoin related traffic will be shut down.

That move alone vastly reduces the number of miners and nodes probably to the point where a 51% attack becomes easy, and the currency crumbles.

Don't get me wrong, I'm extremely positive about bitcoin but you have to understand how vunerable it is.
Oh, no. An attack for which we couldn't possibly deploy any countermeasures. I'm scared now.
2278  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: btcd: a bitcoind alternative written in Go on: December 29, 2013, 09:18:57 PM
Unfortunately, even if a spec is written, unless the majority implementations (realistically this is only bitcoind currently), it is meaningless.
I am confident there is sufficient willingness in the community to fund the development time it would take to push the required cleanups upstream. The only problem appears to be that the organization which you'd naturally expect to be taking that effort on does not consider it to be a priority.
2279  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin will *not* attack/fight/etc central banking and fiat currency on: December 29, 2013, 09:15:29 PM
Whether Satoshi sat down to create an explicity weaponised technology is up for debate.
Sure, there's a bit of room for ambiguity, but not much:

Quote from: Nick Szabo
While the security technology is very far from trivial, the "why" was by far the biggest stumbling block -- nearly everybody who heard the general idea thought it was a very bad idea. Myself, Wei Dai, and Hal Finney were the only people I know of who liked the idea (or in Dai's case his related idea) enough to pursue it to any significant extent until Nakamoto (assuming Nakamoto is not really Finney or Dai). Only Finney (RPOW) and Nakamoto were motivated enough to actually implement such a scheme.

The "why" requires coming to an accurate understanding of the nature of two difficult and almost always misunderstood topics, namely trust and the nature of money. The overlap between cryptographic experts and libertarians who might sympathize with such a "gold bug" idea is already rather small, since most cryptographic experts earn their living in academia and share its political biases. Even among this uncommon intersection as stated very few people thought it was a good idea. Even gold bugs didn't care for it because we already have real gold rather than mere bits and we can pay online simply by issuing digital certificates based on real gold stored in real vaults, a la the formerly popular e-gold. On top of the plethora of these misguided reactions and criticisms, there remain many open questions and arguable points about these kinds of technologies and currencies, many of which can only be settled by actually fielding them and seeing how they work in practice, both in economic and security terms.

Here are some more specific reasons why the ideas behind Bitcoin were very far from obvious:

(1) only a few people had read of the bit gold ideas, which although I came up with them in 1998 (at the same time and on the same private mailing list where Dai was coming up with b-money -- it's a long story) were mostly not described in public until 2005, although various pieces of it I described earlier, for example the crucial Byzantine-replicated chain-of-signed-transactions part of it which I generalized into what I call secure property titles.

(2) Hardly anybody actually understands money. Money just doesn't work like that, I was told fervently and often. Gold couldn't work as money until it was already shiny or useful for electronics or something else besides money, they told me. (Do insurance services also have to start out useful for something else, maybe as power plants?) This common argument coming ironically from libertarians who misinterpreted Menger's account of the origin of money as being the only way it could arise (rather than an account of how it could arise) and, in the same way misapplying Mises' regression theorem. Even though I had rebutted these arguments in my study of the origins of money, which I humbly suggest should be should be required reading for anybody debating the economics of Bitcoin.
2280  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Micro funding platform to allow startups to raise seed capital with Bitcoin on: December 29, 2013, 09:00:06 PM
But you will not get to rewrite corporate law anytime soon. Perhaps somebody will establish a cayman island bitcoin company and then you can register online via BTC. But still your local tax authority will have to say something about that.
If our software tools don't make it impossible to enforce those laws in practise, they aren't good enough.
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