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1441  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should banks offer Bitcoin custody and payment services? on: July 03, 2014, 03:37:01 AM
I strongly expect that some sort of audited, regulated, insured custody accounts will exist in the future.
So do I.

They won't be traditional banks though - they will be new entities which are audited and regulated by cryptography.

http://opentransactions.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Voting_Pools
1442  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How many Bitcoins have been provably lost? At least ... on: July 03, 2014, 12:37:59 AM
fall into the BurtW says never, jutusranvier says maybe with QC category.
I say "probably never."
1443  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How many Bitcoins have been provably lost? At least ... on: July 03, 2014, 12:31:42 AM
QC will not help you go from Bitcoin address to public key at all.
Grover's algorithm helps some, but currently isn't enough.

Currently-unknown weaknesses in SHA and/or RIPEMD might close the gap someday.

On the other hand, invalid scripts will always be invalid.
1444  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How many Bitcoins have been provably lost? At least ... on: July 03, 2014, 12:23:39 AM
No, it won't.
Do we know for certain that Bitcoin's address hash function will never be susceptible to GPQC?
1445  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How many Bitcoins have been provably lost? At least ... on: July 03, 2014, 12:20:39 AM
Back on topic.  D&T are you asking us to supply other known amounts?  If so you should add the 1.8252962 at https://blockchain.info/address/1BitcoinEaterAddressDontSendf59kuE
A general purpose quantum computer might someday find a private key whose public key corresponds to that address.
1446  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How many Bitcoins have been provably lost? on: July 03, 2014, 12:06:48 AM
increasing the block reward a little bit
No.
1447  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I am pretty confident we are the new wealthy elite, gentlemen. on: July 02, 2014, 09:40:20 PM
If they're the wealthiest generation ever, then why are the debt-laden 20 and 30 somethings financing their retirements via unsustainable social security and medicare programs? And why would they willingly elect representatives who back these programs? Seems to be against their own self interests.
Great questions.

Coincidently, isn't it amazing how the age groups which the current system is financially raping are are also the age groups at the forefront of Bitcoin adoption?

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2011/11/07/the-rising-age-gap-in-economic-well-being/
1448  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I am pretty confident we are the new wealthy elite, gentlemen. on: July 02, 2014, 09:10:18 PM
In that case, median net wealth for US adults is only ~$38,000 USD. Which I actually find surprisingly high.
That median is composed of the under 40 crowd who largely have negative net worth, and the over 50 crowd who compose the richest generation to ever walk the face of the earth and whose assets (stocks and house prices) are being propped up via money printing.
1449  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 40 minute BTC block time - No big deal on: July 02, 2014, 08:40:47 PM
Seems a bit of stretch to try to apply political motivations to a technical issue.
It's also a stretch to propose that it's even technically possible at all to force miners to include transactions into blocks.
1450  Other / Meta / Re: ISPs Blocking Bitcointalk with "adult filter" in uk on: July 02, 2014, 08:16:40 PM
Related? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=672827

I can't wait until somebody important sees this and all three of you are permanently banned.
1451  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 02, 2014, 08:01:18 PM
Ripple is the financial establishment's bait-and-switch ploy.

Ripple provides an improvement over the status quo in terms of technology without any inconvenient features like privacy or individual autonomy. They'll throw money at Ripple in order to make it shiny and user friendly as a way of keeping the masses from leaving their pens.
1452  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 02, 2014, 07:56:18 PM
I'm worried by one thing: Volume is approx. at an all time YTD low. Why? Can this affect the imminent moon launch?
vol is fine, vol is more spread out than ever b4 with new exchanges coming online and stuff..
Anyone who cares about accurate volume stats should be using data.bitcoinity.org:

http://data.bitcoinity.org/markets/volume/5y?r=week&t=a&volume_unit=btc
1453  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 40 minute BTC block time - No big deal on: July 02, 2014, 07:43:06 PM
The miners and the pools are under no obligation to include any transactions.  They can, if they wish, and some pools and miners have n the past, just mine empty blocks.  They can cherry pick which transaction they want to include - that is their right.  They can include only transactions that have a profitable fee and drop all other transactions.  They can, if they feel like it, included a certain number of free transactions.  Luckily for "freeloaders" most of the larger pools will include a certain number of free transactions in each block they mine.

I think this is one of the flaws of Bitcoin. 
There are indeed a large number of people who believe that the lack of ability to force other people to do thing is a flaw.

The reason Bitcoin is prospering so well is because they are wrong.
1454  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 02, 2014, 05:11:45 PM
I would recommend you to look at better investment opportunities.
In my idea, the best way would be to invest in yourself. Obtain a needed skill, save up and start your own company. It isn't as easy as buying bitcoins, but it's A LOT more certain and you can have more control of your own wealth.
Because... what good is having control of bitcoin units, if you can't control the unit value? If you can't control bitcoin unit value, then you still can't control your wealth. With holding bitcoins, your wealth is just as much or even more out of your control, then holding your money in the bank. If you want to buy a commodity as an investment and stay in control, then buy something that's value isn't highly speculative. (golds value for instance is also highly speculative)
http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/the-correct-strategy-of-bitcoin-entrepreneurship/
1455  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 02, 2014, 04:53:44 PM
I remember when Slashdot used to be cool.

Now it's nothing buy paid marketers and shills spewing venom and misdirection in the comment sections:

http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/07/02/1546224/investor-tim-draper-announces-he-won-silk-road-bitcoin-auction
1456  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 02, 2014, 02:52:32 PM
I am compiling a list of resources for a person that is totally not up to date and does not get Bitcoin/Crypto currency

The person has a finance background, and a legal background- the person is not technically minded

I have list of resources , videos, text, articles and good places to get key data.

has anyone any works they suggest may be suitable for this gentleman to read ?  (I get the feeling he is more of a reader than a video watcher, plus I have some good videos already- though if you have any amazing links please do share)

I am almost ready to send what I have, but just thought I would ask here if anyone has any good primers to add to my list or rather than me writing it all out again.

The gentleman is a man with very deep pockets and a group of investors, I have meetings planned with the person in question to discuss starting
a Crypto/Bitcoin relegated company here in the UK -

I am looking for good text primers for a person new to crypto but that has a good finance background,  not too basic, not too full on   have you any suggestions that I can add to my ever growing list ?  I do not want to send him everything, I am looking to cherry pick.

Already had one meeting with the chap in question, and before the next one I would like him to do some reading, so he knows more about where
his money is going to be going, before the next rounds of meetings- as the guy is pretty much a crypto newbie.

Thank you in advance.
http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2014/06/20/cash-and-credit-in-a-cryptocurrency-economy-part-1/
http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2014/06/26/cash-and-credit-in-a-cryptocurrency-economy-part-2/

I'd also link part 3 but it's still being written.
1457  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 02, 2014, 08:40:54 AM
Peter R.

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From the feedback control theory perspective, bitcoin seems to represent a pole in the right half-plane of the world's monetary system.

... this was gold Smiley

For those who didn't study control theory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist_stability_criterion ...
Speaking of feedback control theory, it's too bad Satoshi didn't have more experience in that area. If he'd ever tuned a PID controller, then maybe the difficulty formula would have included both a P and an I term.

Not that 8 minutes block intervals are necessarily a bad thing, of course.
1458  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: GHASH.IO + DISCUS FISH >>>51% Possible to death bitcoin? on: July 02, 2014, 12:24:39 AM
I worry that 60% of hash power is in the hands of only two ...
Could be hacked and you lose all your money...
Can you explain the sequence of events between those two mining pools getting hacked and all bitcoin users losing their coins?
1459  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 01, 2014, 09:22:18 PM
The reason is because money (or bitcoin, or gold) is not real wealth, it is only a token that society will accept and exchange for real wealth.  The exchange is so smooth and universal that, for personal or corporate finances, it is justifiable to treat money the same as wealth.  But when considering a whole nation, or the world, one must ignore the money and focus only on the real wealth.
True.

No matter how much  money the government creates of derstroys, confiscates or gives away, the real weath of the country will not change.  Fiddling with the finacial system, the currency, and the money supply can only change the distribution of wealth among the citizens
Tragically, myopically, false.

Wealth is not a static thing - it's a continually produced and consumed on a daily basis.

The amount of wealth that is destroyed, or more accurately: never created, by bad policy decisions is vast. It's just not always obvious.
1460  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 01, 2014, 06:37:03 PM
20 years from now there will be no USD or USA.

Lol.  Thankfully this is virtually impossible.  But if you were right, I suppose you have no idea the sorts of war and chaos you are predicting.

USD could be greatly diminished, but sensible folks should hope this is a gentle transition.  As to the US being gone.  Woof.  That's just reckless and blind.
What did anything you said have to do with whether or not my statement is true or false?

Are one of those superstitious people who believes that if we don't talk about bad things they won't happen?

The USA is following the same historical trajectory as the USSR. Absent some rational explanation of why the same actions that have lead to a failed state in every other historical example will not have the same result here, I conclude that the USA will share the same fate.

I'd call your "I don't like that conclusion therefore it's not true" rebuttal childish, however that's insulting to children.
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