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1461  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the critical point above which bitcoin is officially mainstream? on: July 01, 2014, 06:15:27 PM
Bitcoin will be mainstream when the last central bank closes its doors.
1462  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 01, 2014, 05:59:50 PM
WalMart will start accepting bitcoin when their Chinese suppliers start asking for payment in btc instead of dollars.
1463  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 01, 2014, 05:53:49 PM
In 20 years, maybe.
Change that to months and at least you'll still be in the right order of magnitude.

20 years from now there will be no USD or USA.
1464  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 01, 2014, 04:09:21 PM
that's not a theory.  it's a fact.
I heard a rumor that's how Max Keiser ended up with his bitcoins.
1465  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 01, 2014, 04:03:56 PM
There was a theory floating about that said, using bitpay etc. actually does nothing for the bitcoin community, as it creates selling presure whenever a merchant accepts bitcoin as a means of payment, the btc is converted almost immediately into fiat.
There's another theory floating around that says that payment processors are a way for new investors get into the market.

In this theory, investors who want to accumulate bitcoins without going through the exchanges instead underwrite a payment processor with their fiat, and take the received bitcoins as it comes in. By and large, the bitcoins the payment processors handle does not reach the exchanges.
1466  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 01, 2014, 07:15:35 AM
glad to see you're healing up!:
Thanks.
1467  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Attempted Bitcoin extortion! on: July 01, 2014, 03:06:00 AM
Apparently somebody sent messages to businesses threatening to post negative reviews on Yelp, complaints to the BBB, and mess with their phone systems if the businesses didn't send him/her one BTC by a certain deadline and three BTC after that! http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikamorphy/2014/06/29/you-know-bitcoin-is-mainstream-when-your-extortionist-requests-it/

Problem is, there are those who will fall for the scam.................................
Scam? This is exactly what the IRS does.

Those extortion letters are nearly identical to an IRS letter in terms of font, wording, overall design, as well as the tactics.
1468  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 01, 2014, 02:57:34 AM
It may just be me but “I’m not at liberty to say why" implies something went wrong.
They lost the private key or accidentally sent the funds to the Bitcoin Eater address.
1469  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 01, 2014, 02:55:45 AM
Germany has decided its gold is safe in American hands.

fucking german pussies!

(I'm german, so I'm allowed, right?)

This is what an IRL goxxing looks like:

1470  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: July 01, 2014, 12:14:58 AM

Yes, and interestingly, the square of the number of unique bitcoin addresses used per day has historically tracked the market cap.  


Metcalf's Law FTW.
1471  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does anyone keep money in their checking accounts anymore? on: June 30, 2014, 10:13:21 PM
What's a checking account? :p
What's a bank?
1472  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Counterparty and Coloured Coins on: June 30, 2014, 09:58:09 PM
What's your take on the problem I discuss in my piece about ensuring inevitability of settlement once two orders have been crossed?

i.e. regardless of how assets are represented or issued, my take is that anybody wanting to trade two assets will want certainty that a validly matched order will lead to the assets actually being exchanged on whatever platform they happen to be represented on.

Ultimately, this means those making bids/offers need to relinquish some control at the point they make their bid/offer....  in other words, there needs to be a way for them to be "compelled" to exchange if their order is validly matched. And you can't do that if they have the ability simply to send the asset/coin somewhere else... that freedom has to be relinquished.

Counterparty et al do it through the protocol (and my distaste stems from the pollution of the blockchain but I also accept having app-specific coins is troublesome) - but I don't see any way of achieving something similar with a colored coin system...  unless you're prepared to put your assets into escrow at the time you post your bid/offer.  And that might be fine - but it does require you to trust an identifiable entity rather than "the protocol".

Is this an issue you recognise?  Is it only a problem in theory or are you perhaps arguing there is something in OT that can help here?  (I don't know enough about OT but it's on my to-read list)
I'll answer this in very general terms.

Centralization is not a problem, and decentralization is not a virtue.

Thefts are problems.  Fraud is a problem. Counterfeiting is a problem.

Some people are proposing to solve those problem by blindly throwing "decentralization" at them like it was some kind of holy water. A more rational approach is to:

1) Develop a threat model.
2) Collect a variety of potential solutions
3) Examine the trade offs present with each potential solution
4) Select the most solution that best set of tradeoffs for the given problem.

Given that, the first question to ask is, "What are the benefits and downsides of performing order matching and settlement in a blockchain rather than in a traditional matching engine?"

Anyone who answers, "Downsides to using a blockchain? What are those?" doesn't have anything useful to contribute to the discussion.

So far my experience has been that includes most of the "Bitcoin 2.0" people and projects.
1473  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Counterparty and Coloured Coins on: June 30, 2014, 09:33:08 PM
On the colored coins systems, there is a decoupling between exchange and settlement.  There is no in-built mechanism that will inevitably lead to an exchange of assets as a result of a successful match on whatever exchange platform is used.
The word you're looking for is "modular".

Colored coins are just smart property tokens, that could be used in a wide variety of systems. There's no reason to weld them to a particular settlement system. The best results come from teaching an existing settlement platform to benefit from the features colored coins provides.

Note that this solution in no way requires anyone to invest in appcoins, which evaporates the entire value proposition for appcoins.
1474  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Greenaddress uses deceptive buissness practices, could cost users millions. on: June 30, 2014, 08:58:28 PM
Amen, This is always an option. Infact this is highly recommended .
I should have mentioned that I also meant using a solid, tested Bitcoin client that is drama-free, like Armory.
1475  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Greenaddress uses deceptive buissness practices, could cost users millions. on: June 30, 2014, 08:11:03 PM
Solution: just manage your own Bitcoins and avoid the drama.
1476  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 40 minute BTC block time - No big deal on: June 30, 2014, 07:53:23 PM
Does anyone know what led the devs to 10-min block times instead of shorter ones?
Bitcoin was designed to grow into a universal currency, used all over the world.

This means it needs to be able to reach consensus among miners located on every continent.

There unavoidable communication delays inherent to that process.

Satoshi picked 10 minutes to give blocks and translations time to propagate globally to reduce the amount of wasted work that occurs when somebody starts mining a block that has already been found.
1477  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 30, 2014, 07:42:37 PM
I am bullish.. and I love Bitcoin.

But I feel a red candle coming up shortly.
Kinda feel the same way, this don't look real to me.  But hell, 7 solid months of a skittish, panicky bear market can begin to make even the most diehard bull feel pessimistic.  So what do I know.  Tongue
7 months is nothing.

Summer 2011 until February 2013...
1478  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Counterparty and Coloured Coins on: June 30, 2014, 06:15:06 PM
In order to use Counterparty, you've got to buy special tokens.

Anyone who has bitcoins can create and use colored coins without that restriction.

Other than that, they are identical.
1479  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: June 30, 2014, 06:10:13 PM
I'm not here to argue with you..we both believe bitcoin will continue it's epic rise but central banks do not = civilization. If the $ loses support how is the massive gap on their balance sheets going to be filled? Does it make sense for the to all go bankrupt or bid for gold and force their asset column above their liabilities?

I simply don't see Cb's going bust prior to cleansing their balance sheets via a revaluation of gold.

I could be wrong, but I don't think I'm wrong about where the $ is heading..if right, it's in the CB's best interest to increase the worth of their assets column
Do we know for sure that all the central banks actually have gold?
1480  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Shills paid to try and subvert Bitcoin - real? on: June 30, 2014, 06:18:10 AM
Someone has been hiring at least since late Spring of last year.
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