Even if you disregard Nefario (GLBSE) and Intersango (libbitcoin), there's Tony Gallippi from BitPay, the guy from Butterfly Labs, Stefan Thomas (bitcoin-js), Pieter Wuille (core dev team), Jan Moller (BitcoinSpinner), Jim Burton (MultiBit), Vladimir (Bitcoin Magazine), Juraj Bednar (he's been promoting Bitcoin in Slovakia), the guys from Bitcoin Austria, and tons of people I didn't have time to meet or whose names I forgot. That'd count as one (juraj). Get something straight: you're not in the WOT, you're not in bitcoin.  There's a lot more to bitcoin than this forum/wot. |
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I remember one of the very first posts when he brought this idea up being to get someone more business savvy to help him out, which he declined. Probably would've been a good idea.
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It could be argued that not accepting bitcoin as a form of payment is also a tyranny.
But I agree that my ideas are wrong. It is good have people making me think it better.
No it's not, you have a choice to either patronize that business or not. |
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Choosing not to do business with X because they don't accept Bitcoins is freedom. Trying to prevent others from doing business with X because they don't accept Bitcoins is tyranny.
Agreed. And I knew before I even saw the sig this must be the same guy that posted the DDoS thread. |
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I'm just wondering why the first one has fake cleavage.
Prove it's fake!  |
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I'm just wondering why the first one has fake cleavage.
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I think you need to make 5 posts here in the Newbies forum before you can venture elsewhere.
This is true, but you only need 1 post before you can PM someone. |
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Lol at the thread hi guys  Question why does it exit when i make a reply ? That's an option in your profile, to return to thread or forum after replying. Newb Limit is 10 posts & 4 hours login time, just as a reminder for all of those who dont feel like fishing through previous pages of posts.
and there's me thinking it was 5 posts  It is 5, like it says in the OP. |
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Just to check the rules, are people allowed to show up in a thread an post a reply of "SCAM" without anything more thoughtful or even any other words in their post?
There's no rule against that no (it would probably fall under no spam/insubstantial posts clause if I did apply it), and I don't really have a problem with it, but there should probably be more substance to a post like that. Depends on the poster and the thread, if a poster is doing it excessively for no discernible reason I would probably pm them and ask them to add some reasoning at least. |
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I'm not gonna censor/moderate people who were wronged and want to discuss it or who need help. Talking about it can help to bring about more ideas to combat it, how to be more aware, and remind people not to drop their guard. Attempting to suppress it would do the exact opposite, and allow new people to be even more easily scammed. I do try to keep threads on topic and in the appropriate subforum though. It's annoying to have people complaining about a specific service or person in bitcoin discussion, or derailing threads over it. Also, what is the purpose of a "scammer" tag? It certainly doesn't stop these people from posting and in many cases it seems to have been misapplied (on Matthew N. Wright for instance). Why not simply eliminate this silly punishment and let the freemarket do its job and make it so people have to avoid "scams" the old fashioned way: by doing their research and not making bad decisions?
It's not intended to stop people from posting, just to warn people dealing with them. Scammers can still be productive. I do kind of agree with you, but it's kind of necessary because with the large amount of posts on the board, the many pages within threads, the different subforums and subforums for those, and relative anonymity, a user can be scamming many people across multiple markets and via pms as well, so just having a thread about it in scam accusations doesn't do much. Especially if they don't even respond to it so it doesn't show up in their latest posts. Think of it as baby steps for people who've relied on others for decades. Most people expect scammers to be banned, so the tag is an alternative. And no it doesn't really fit Matthew, more appropriate term would be fraud. I can understand all of this. But I still think it should be somehow limited as it seems these days everyone is very quick to cry out "SCAM" at any opportunity and it starts to make it look bad around here. Maybe a warning-ban system to stop the more obvious trolls like Micon and others who go into so many marketplace threads and start derailing them as soon as they can. I don't think Micon is a troll. He has trolled and derailed threads in the past, but that was resolved. I'm also hesitant to censor posts like those, because even if I fully believe he's wrong and trolling, what if I'm wrong, he's right, and I just helped a scammer by hiding legitimate accusations? If a "business" can't answer his questions and allegations, then there's probably a reason for that, and it's up to the reader to make up their own minds based on all the information, without being misled by moderators on a power trip. If Micon is being unreasonable, then people will see that on their own. That's not to say people who cry scam can't also be trolls, I banned someone just a few days ago for "SCAM!" trolling. So it isn't entirely unchecked. |
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I'm not gonna censor/moderate people who were wronged and want to discuss it or who need help. Talking about it can help to bring about more ideas to combat it, how to be more aware, and remind people not to drop their guard. Attempting to suppress it would do the exact opposite, and allow new people to be even more easily scammed. I do try to keep threads on topic and in the appropriate subforum though. It's annoying to have people complaining about a specific service or person in bitcoin discussion, or derailing threads over it. Also, what is the purpose of a "scammer" tag? It certainly doesn't stop these people from posting and in many cases it seems to have been misapplied (on Matthew N. Wright for instance). Why not simply eliminate this silly punishment and let the freemarket do its job and make it so people have to avoid "scams" the old fashioned way: by doing their research and not making bad decisions?
It's not intended to stop people from posting, just to warn people dealing with them. Scammers can still be productive. I do kind of agree with you, but it's kind of necessary because with the large amount of posts on the board, the many pages within threads, the different subforums and subforums for those, and relative anonymity, a user can be scamming many people across multiple markets and via pms as well, so just having a thread about it in scam accusations doesn't do much. Especially if they don't even respond to it so it doesn't show up in their latest posts. Think of it as baby steps for people who've relied on others for decades. Most people expect scammers to be banned, so the tag is an alternative. And no it doesn't really fit Matthew, more appropriate term would be fraud. |
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Side topic: why is this paper work taking weeks when it should be days?
For the record, I have pleaded with the Intersango trio, both in person to Patrick Strateman, and electronically to all three of them to sign something like this.
All three of them have refused to date.
I hope they reconsider, and do the right thing.
I still want my 23,000+ Bitcoins back!
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if dank is just looking for a loan then it doesn't matter what he does with the money.
Of course it matters, nobody is gonna loan money to start a business without seeing a lot more information than Dank is willing to provide. And seeing how he shits all over anyone willing to help him, I doubt he's gonna get it. And dank, if you think MonsterAnts is being rude, go and show your business plan/proposals to anyone who has any business experience and they'll laugh you out the door. At least he's trying to help. He had some really good advice for you (god knows why he's wasting time on you), you should at least read it instead of just dismissing it. I would say wait another week or until I'm ready to actually put the funds to use. I talked to my lawyer today, received his support. Will talk to agent this week, hopefully and work on my business plan over the weekend.
Are you serious? Do you really think you are ready to move forward on this within a week with hardly no research done? Do you have any idea what it actually takes to start and run a business? |
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New suggestion: Leave everything the way it is except change the domain name to "bitcoindrama.org"
LOL, I like it. |
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As far as mods talking about banning for personal attacks. Really? Most of the threads I've read have personal attacks back and forth for pages and pages.
Personal attacks are OK when used occasionally as parts of larger posts. Someone who posts constant ad hominem attacks is probably a troll, and posts consisting mostly of ad hominem attacks are probably off-topic. Thank you for the clarification. Yeah I don't care about the occasional ad hom if the post makes good points or is substantial in other ways, no matter who it's about. Posting just to insult someone is a useless post/trolling and leads to more of the same. |
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Getting very frustrated at admins not doing anything about posts in this forum.
This isn't a trading forum. Not their job. +1, nobody is getting paid for this. If you want investigations expedited you should pay for the services, just like any other. Dont people donate to this board? By everybody posting here, we're contributing, raising the profile, making it active, so more people join, and as a net, more donators What's the fee to post here / request a scammer tag? Sent 0.25 to 1DTTbweFx89CFxNX6N91y21VwgmpWKLrFi, that's your address I guess? ( http://blockchain.info/tx/0f2571edf7be80e27e1ed2e742259572329b6681eb18cb156c8d058f867163c6 ) Let me know if that's enof or if we should be paying you more? Donations go to the forum only, for new software for the forum, legal defense fund, etc. Moderators don't see any of that. As far as I can tell your specific case is settled yes? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=108697.msg1181138#msg1181138 |
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