The bible is a joke for stupid humans  like reading harry potter then make it out to be real  watch that movie if got time and not seen it before looks good .. Be careful on what you are saying about God's word and don't even try to mock God. There are celebrities did try to mock God and they died because of it like John Lennon. The bible is true, and if you are saying we are stupid about believing what the bible says because we are following God. Then believe what you believe. You may laugh today but when God returns to judge this world, I don't know if you can still laugh that time. There's always time to repent. The is no God. You are deluding yourself. Bible is a collection of myths, stories, bronze age justice written by PEOPLE for the PEOPLE. Over the course of 1500 years!!! And yes, you are stupid believing this bronze age nonsense. God will not return anywhere because he does not exist. So stop worrying about afterlife, enjoy this life. This is only life you got. |
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Is the 8 week old baby more complex than 2 weeks old baby? Answer Yes or No please.
You understand the question, don't you?
... But I will answer it anyway. Yes. ... Thank you. You proved yourself wrong. 2 week old baby is less complex than 8 week old baby. More complexity from less complexity. There goes your "proof" of God, out to the dumpster. Your Honour, I rest my case. Witness is excused. Since you didn't include my whole answer, your case in entirely inadmissible.  You have been excused. Good Luck with your imaginary proofs and your imaginary God. I think you need it. |
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Is the 8 week old baby more complex than 2 weeks old baby? Answer Yes or No please.
You understand the question, don't you?
... But I will answer it anyway. Yes. ... Thank you. You proved yourself wrong. 2 week old baby is less complex than 8 week old baby. More complexity from less complexity. There goes your "proof" of God, out to the dumpster. Your Honour, I rest my case. Witness is excused. |
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The Bible is even truth when it tells lies. Why? Because it says that they are lies, or it attributes the lies to people other than God. God did not write it. I think we established that. God wrote it by establishing in the hearts and minds of the people who did the penning, the literal things He wanted written. No he did not, bronze age people wrote it. Cause and effect. At worst, God programmed it into them. Do you even think before you write something? Or you just write first thing that comes to your mind? |
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The Bible is even truth when it tells lies. Why? Because it says that they are lies, or it attributes the lies to people other than God. God did not write it. I think we established that. God wrote it by establishing in the hearts and minds of the people who did the penning, the literal things He wanted written. No he did not, bronze age people wrote it. |
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It is still a human being that was set up by the conception process, which is way more complex by being able to set the whole thing going through pre-programming that is in the genes of the egg and sperm. Is the 8 week old baby more complex than 2 weeks old baby? Answer Yes or No please. You understand the question, don't you? |
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...nonsense...
All complexity that we see, was made by greater complexity, or else we haven't seen what made it at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence or observation to the opposite.
...more nonsense...
...end of nonsense.
WTF are you talking about? Sperm+egg are less complex than a grown human. But you don't get a sperm and egg from the same person. Sperm and egg are far greater complexity that the result it produces. Don't you get it yet? A sperm together with an egg produce a person. The person can't produce another person. It is only when the person gets together with another person of the opposite sex that a new person can be produced. Two people/ sperm and egg. are more complex than one person who can't do what they do. Sperm and egg are not more complex than a grown human being. Sperm is not a man. Egg is not a woman. By the same token, just conceived baby is more complex at 8 weeks than it is at 2 weeks.nonsense follows: Grown man, or grown woman, or baby all alone cannot make new baby. Why not? Not complex enough. Must join to get complexity of sperm and egg to make new baby....just conceived baby is more complex at 8 weeks than it is at 2 weeks. |
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The real reason why atheists hate religion is, the devil has blinded their minds to the truth. Except there is no devil. |
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...nonsense...
All complexity that we see, was made by greater complexity, or else we haven't seen what made it at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence or observation to the opposite.
...more nonsense...
...end of nonsense.
WTF are you talking about? Sperm+egg are less complex than a grown human. But you don't get a sperm and egg from the same person. Sperm and egg are far greater complexity that the result it produces. Don't you get it yet? A sperm together with an egg produce a person. The person can't produce another person. It is only when the person gets together with another person of the opposite sex that a new person can be produced. Two people/ sperm and egg. are more complex than one person who can't do what they do. Sperm and egg are not more complex than a grown human being. Sperm is not a man. Egg is not a woman. By the same token, just conceived baby is more complex at 8 weeks than it is at 2 weeks. |
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The Bible is even truth when it tells lies. Why? Because it says that they are lies, or it attributes the lies to people other than God. God did not write it. I think we established that. |
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The Holy Bible is written by men inspired by God and diligently followed by illumined people!
Except there is no God. There is absolutely no evidence for one. So "inspired" my ass. The guys who wrote these books were frantically trying to copy from other myths. That is why there is so many mistakes and off the wall stories as they tried to change the original myths. The end result is more nonsense. Garbage in, garbage out. Who are "illumined people"? |
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...nonsense...
All complexity that we see, was made by greater complexity, or else we haven't seen what made it at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence or observation to the opposite.
...more nonsense...
...end of nonsense.
WTF are you talking about? Sperm+egg are less complex than a grown human. |
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The fact that I don't know everything about entropy doesn't have anything to do with it. Why not? Because nobody but nobody knows everything about entropy. The things that we DO know about entropy show that nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex than both.  BADecker, we had this discussion before and I explained in detail why entropy is not the same as complexity, and why what you just wrote is wrong. Should we have that discussion again, or just link to the relevant thread? You are so silly. For example, if I point out the sky to you, and then explain that the sky is blue, this doesn't mean that I am the sky, right? In a similar way entropy expresses basics about complexity. But that doesn't mean that entropy is complexity, right? But go ahead. Knock yourself out (Sean Connery said that in "Medicine Man"... the Knock yourself out, part). Explain some more that entropy isn't complexity if you like. Your statement: "nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex" is false. Do you have an example of things as you say? After all, you can see cause and effect all over the place. Certainly there is complexity all around us. Everything wears out and disperses and dissipates as entropy predicts. Takes two people to make a child - greater complexity making lesser complexity. People make cars - greater complexity making lesser complexity. What is your example regarding the reverse, lesser complexity making greater complexity? Say whaat? Child is a lesser complexity? Assuming your Christian logic is correct, when child grows up he/she becomes greater complexity, the parents were greater complexity as you assumed. So using your own logic, child is an example of something of lesser complexity as it grows up it becomes more complex. Most people evolved from much simpler life forms. Except you, I guess. You know we evolved, don't you? Or you don't believe in that either? |
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| Creator(s) of the universe | A single God, YHVH. | A God battling a Goddess. |
I'm curious where it says YHVH created the universe... the first verse of the bible refers to Elohim, plural for gods, creating the universe  In the beginning created gods, the heaven and the Earth.
Bereshit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'arets. Bereshit (בראשית) = In the beginning bara (ברא) = created Elohim (אלהים) = gods et (את) = the hashamayim (השמים) = heavens ve'et (ואת)= and the ha'arets (הארץ) = Earth IIRC, YHVH (יהוה) means lord... so, lord = gods? Now I'm confused Fixed it. |
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Looks like Bible stories were taken from other, earlier myths. Comparison of Genesis' first Creation Story with Enuma Elish, a Babylonian creation story The Babylonian creation story is called by its first two words "Enuma Elish." According to archaeologists, it was originally written circa 1120 BCE. It was discovered in 1875 CE. It bears many points of similarity to the first creation story in the Bible: | Item | Ancient Israelite Creation Story | Babylonian Creation Story | | ------------------------------- | ------------------------------- | ------------------------------- | | Source | Genesis 1:1 to 2:3 | Enuma Elish | | Date of writing (liberal belief) | 8th or 9th century BCE | Late 12th century BCE | | Date of writing (conservative belief) | 13th century BCE, the time of Moses | Late 12th century BCE. | | Author (liberal belief) | "P," authors of the Priestly tradition. | Unknown. | | Author (conservative belief) | Moses. | Unknown. | | Creator(s) of the universe | Multiple Gods, Elohim. | A God battling a Goddess. | | Initial state of the earth | Desolate waste; covered in darkness. | Chaos; enveloped in darkness. | | First development | Light created. | Light created. | | Next development | Firmament created - a rigid dome over the earth separating the earth and heaven. | Firmament created; also perceived as a rigid dome. | | Next development | Dry land created. | Dry land created. | | Next development | Sun, moon, stars created. | Sun, moon, stars created. | | Next development | Creation of men and women. | Creation of men and women. | | Final development | God rests and sanctify the Sabbath. | Gods rest and celebrate. |
source: http://www.religioustolerance.org/com_geba.htmAccording to Christian History, the Earth is 7330 years old. Bible (66 books) was written by 40 writers over 1400 years period. source: http://www.bible.ca/b-bible-timeline-religious-history.htm |
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Just a question: why is Hell (ruled by satan) a bad place? As Satan is opposed to god why would he torture the ones disobeying him?
That is an excellent question. If I were Satan, I'd run his shop in competition with heaven. You know offer better accommodation, free drinks, all the sex and drugs you want, whatever you want, all the sinful, good stuff. Party all night long, if you like. Best entertainment etc. I think it is their carrot and stick game. Heaven is the carrot, hell is the stick. |
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I interested in the first few books, as the rest is the same nonsense. Wiki says: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus and Numbers[edit]
From the late 19th century there was a general consensus among scholars around the documentary hypothesis, which suggests that the first four books (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers) were created c.450 BCE by combining four originally independent sources, known as the Jahwist, the Elohist, the Deuteronomist, and the Priestly source.[9] This approach has since seen various revisions,[10] yet while the identification of distinctive Deuteronomistic and Priestly theologies and vocabularies remains widespread, they are used to form new approaches suggesting that the books were combined gradually over time by the slow accumulation of "fragments" of text, or that a basic text was "supplemented" by later authors/editors.[11] At the same time there has been a tendency to bring the origins of the Pentateuch further forward in time, and the most recent proposals place it in 5th century Judah under the Persian empire.[12]
I'm really interested what are these four sources above. Who combined it together? It is clear it was all made up by people. I'm more interested in who did this. |
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Major difference is that atheists are doing their own murder. What murder are we doing? I think he means: we are killing our chance for eternal, imaginary life. We are committing murder of our future life in heaven. You have to read the Bible and read thorough BADecker religious babbling posts to understand his disorder. It is is all Christian logic, hard to follow for a sane person. |
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I always wondered about the historical roots of the books in the Bible. Who wrote the books of the Bible? When were they written? Why someone wrote them? Were they inspired by God? Wikipedia does not list the author(s): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_BibleIt seems weird that 2 billion people in the world follow this book but nobody knows who wrote it. Comparison of Genesis' first Creation Story with Enuma Elish, a Babylonian creation story The Babylonian creation story is called by its first two words "Enuma Elish." According to archaeologists, it was originally written circa 1120 BCE. It was discovered in 1875 CE. It bears many points of similarity to the first creation story in the Bible: | Item | Ancient Israelite Creation Story | Babylonian Creation Story | | ------------------------------- | ------------------------------- | ------------------------------- | | Source | Genesis 1:1 to 2:3 | Enuma Elish | | Date of writing (liberal belief) | 8th or 9th century BCE | Late 12th century BCE | | Date of writing (conservative belief) | 13th century BCE, the time of Moses | Late 12th century BCE. | | Author (liberal belief) | "P," authors of the Priestly tradition. | Unknown. | | Author (conservative belief) | Moses. | Unknown. | | Creator(s) of the universe | Multiple Gods, Elohim. | A God battling a Goddess. | | Initial state of the earth | Desolate waste; covered in darkness. | Chaos; enveloped in darkness. | | First development | Light created. | Light created. | | Next development | Firmament created - a rigid dome over the earth separating the earth and heaven. | Firmament created; also perceived as a rigid dome. | | Next development | Dry land created. | Dry land created. | | Next development | Sun, moon, stars created. | Sun, moon, stars created. | | Next development | Creation of men and women. | Creation of men and women. | | Final development | God rests and sanctify the Sabbath. | Gods rest and celebrate. |
source: http://www.religioustolerance.org/com_geba.htmAccording to Christian History, the Earth is 7330 years old. Bible (66 books) was written by 40 writers over 1400 years period. source: http://www.bible.ca/b-bible-timeline-religious-history.htmSome disturbing verses from it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367154.0 |
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