You are a good person if you follow the moral code that your society accepts.
Here is a thought experiment for you af_newbie. Say the Nazi's had won WWII and gone on to kill anyone who disagreed with their ideology. Standing triumphant over the hundreds of million dead with the whole world in submission how would you judge the Nazi executioners who led the innocent to their doom in the name of racial superiority and suppression of dissent. Would they suddenly become good men according to you? After all they are only following the code that society now accepts. Those who opposed them no longer live. Or would they be evil men who triumphed and in process dragged the world into darkness and evil. The answer to the question matters a great deal. I judge them evil men despite their victory and despite the fact that they follow the new "moral code" of society would you? As for the hypothetical situation about the Nazis, I am afraid I would not be able to experience this as I would be killed opposing their supremacist ideology.... How many Germans died opposing Hitler? So stop fabricating this notion that all Germans supported Nazism. I would probably end up like August Landmesser: ... If you had to put a label on me, call me a materialist humanist, moral relativist but nihilist? Fuck, I value life (including human) more than you ever will, you deluded, sadistic prick. I know we have ONE, fucking life to live, so it is more precious to me than you. To you, this life means shit, as you look forward to 'unite' with your imaginary friend after you die and decompose. It is to your credit that you would stand up in opposition to evil in that scenario af_newbie. That fact that enough people did is why that particular evil failed. However, you dodged the question. I did not ask you what you would do or if you would be among the living I asked you if following victory the Nazi's would suddenly become good men. If evil becomes good by popular consensus simply by killing the opposition. The problem with your moral standard is the answer is yes they would be good men. In your own words "You are a good person if you follow the moral code that your society accepts." That is moral relativism in a nutshell. August Landmesser was certainly an exceptional German he was exceptional because he did not follow the moral code his society accepted. He opposed Nazism and paid dearly for it. He was forced to fight in a penal battalion and was killed. His wife was killed. His children were placed in orphanages and fortunately survived. Hitler was elected into office via a democratic vote. He was given emergency dictatorial powers by a democratic vote in the legislature. Opposition existed but was not widespread there was no civil war in Germany or anything like it. His rise to power was legal. You disagree with the term nihilism I will stop using it to describe you. It was not meant as a pejorative. You value life and that is good. It means you have kept at least a part of yourself free of relativism. There is no scientific reason to value life. There are billions of other humans very similar to you and probably many other planets with other life out there somewhere. Valuing life is probably necessary to reproduce and propagate but there is no scientific reason to do that either. The real reason to value life is not because it is rare or common or practical. The reason to value life is that each individual is an end in and of themselves. You can certainly build a coherent worldview on moral relativism. It turns into a philosophy of power and the necessity to seek power over yourself and others at all costs. The following theoretical discussion between Kant and Nietzsche is a little deep but it highlights this last point. Kant and Nietzsche talk it out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHJFWJgXuXg you deluded, sadistic prick.
I understand deluded but sadistic? I take no pleasure in inflicting suffering, humiliation, or pain on others. If I have done any of those things to you in the course of our discussion I apologize for it was unintentional. You have no empathy for gays and transgender people. You think they are mentally ill. If you had your way, you would remove them from society and lock them up in mental institutions and subject them to psychiatric treatments. Electric shocks from the 1950s come to mind. You support discrimination. Discrimination causes harm. Do you enjoy inflicting harm? BTW, the Nazi party supported racial laws, the German society at large did not. Hitler instituted dictatorship in Germany. Learn history before you speak on the subject. Even in the 1933 elections, Hitler only got the support of 43.9% of eligible voters, and that is after a good decade of political intimidation and violent suppression of any opposition. Majority of Germans did not support Hitler. In the 1920s, his support was in the low teens. You say that I would have to grab pussies by a truckload because Trump does it. 50% Americans support Trump, it does not mean that if you live in the US, your moral code is the same as Trump's moral code. |
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^^^ But do consider talking to others from both sides. Because many others find the Bible to be talking in an orderly, organized, coherent fashion. And you just might be wrong about the Bible. If you seriously talk to others from both camps, you can at least tell God in the Judgment that you tried.  Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity."
Creator of the universe just had to put that scenario in, LOL. Enough said. |
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There is a non-zero chance (see Drake eq.) that there is life elsewhere in the universe. How does this make me a nihilist? Do you even understand what the term means? - Bit you see what you just did, don't you? Non-zero means exactly squat when you show the odds. Quantum Mechanics is about the odds, not the possibility or impossibility. The odds against life elsewhere are so great that the improbability makes it realistically impossible... at least in any way that we can figure out without God. Even life on earth is impossible in any way we can figure out... without God.
As for the hypothetical situation about the Nazis, I am afraid I would not be able to experience this as I would be killed opposing their supremacist ideology. Just like I am opposing Islamist and Christian supremacist ideologies. I guess you do not even know German history. How many Germans died opposing Hitler? So stop fabricating this notion that all Germans supported Nazism. - Atheism and its like are religions and ideologies that have been around for thousands of years. So, what's the point? You believe your religion/ideology just like others believe theirs... even to the point of having a non-religion religion.
Like I said before, the world is in constant change, laws change as we learn more about animal/human psychology and biology. - The changes come about from atheistic sciences... kids being born without arms and legs more than ever in the past. It's called medicine, and vaccination.
If you had to put a label on me, call me a materialist humanist, moral relativist but nihilist?
Fuck, I value life (including human) more than you ever will, you deluded, sadistic prick. I know we have ONE, fucking life to live, so it is more precious to me than you. To you, this life means shit, as you look forward to 'unite' with your imaginary friend after you die and decompose. - If you valued life, you'd turn and save yours for eternal life in Heaven.
You can fantasize all you want about your holy trinity (or whatever irrational entities you desire), but it will not change the fact that we were not created by some imaginary entity from dirt 6000 years ago, the entity that is more concerned with the sex life of one species of primates, than anything else. - We can barely date pottery that goes back less than 5,000 years. And you think that our dating of nature can correctly conceive of the multitudes of past potential happenings that can throw off our calculations? You have a religious cult in the idea of billions of years of universe existence.
Where is the bitcoin ECDSA algorithm described in the Bible? Nowhere? So just shut the fuck up about your Christian cult, Bronze Age, 'moral' values. - Were you mentioned in the Bible? Indirectly, just like everything else that exists.
Ask your imaginary friend to post here. If he does not respond, take the Bible and wipe your ass with it.
As for ass-wiping, wasn't that what he was doing when he responded to you? 
God answered you in the Bible long before you asked. It's your fault if you don't accept the answers.God answered? WFT are you talking about? Bible is an incoherent bunch of nonsense. What God are you talking about? 45+ authors over the course of 2500+ years. Are you serious? There is nothing to discuss. I am appalled by the sheer stupidity of the religious apologetics. |
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When did I say that our life has no meaning or purpose?
When did I say that human life is worthless?
Not those exact words but similar ones perhaps? The life on Earth is not special
The purpose of life is to survive and reproduce
You are a good person if you follow the moral code that your society accepts.
Here is a thought experiment for you af_newbie. Say the Nazi's had won WWII and gone on to kill anyone who disagreed with their ideology. Standing triumphant over the hundreds of million dead with the whole world in submission how would you judge the Nazi executioners who led the innocent to their doom in the name of racial superiority and suppression of dissent. Would they suddenly become good men according to you? After all they are only following the code that society now accepts. Those who opposed them no longer live. Or would they be evil men who triumphed and in process dragged the world into darkness and evil. The answer to the question matters a great deal. I judge them evil men despite their victory and despite the fact that they follow the new "moral code" of society would you? You truncated my sentence about life on Earth. (I said: "The life on Earth is not special, there is probably life elsewhere in the universe. ") There is a non-zero chance (see Drake eq.) that there is life elsewhere in the universe. How does this make me a nihilist? Do you even understand what the term means? As for the hypothetical situation about the Nazis, I am afraid I would not be able to experience this as I would be killed opposing their supremacist ideology. Just like I am opposing Islamist and Christian supremacist ideologies today. I guess you do not even know German history. How many Germans died opposing Hitler? So stop fabricating this notion that all Germans supported Nazism. I would probably end up like August Landmesser:  Like I said before, the world is in constant change, laws change as we learn more about animal/human psychology and biology. If you had to put a label on me, call me a materialist humanist, moral relativist but nihilist? Fuck, I value life (including human) more than you ever will, you deluded, sadistic prick. I know we have ONE, fucking life to live, so it is more precious to me than you. To you, this life means shit, as you look forward to 'unite' with your imaginary friend after you die and decompose. You can fantasize all you want about your holy trinity (or whatever irrational entities you desire), but it will not change the fact that we were not created by some imaginary entity from dirt 6000 years ago, the entity that is more concerned with the sex life of one species of primates, than anything else. Where is the bitcoin ECDSA algorithm described in the Bible? Nowhere? So just shut the fuck up about your Christian cult, Bronze Age, 'moral' values. Ask your imaginary friend to post here. If he does not respond, take the Bible and wipe your ass with it. |
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You often resort to calling people nihilistic. However not believing in anything doesn't make you a nihilist, my point of view is simply that I don't know, I don't know if there is a purpose or an afterlife, they could exist, we don't know, that's not nihilism, that's realism.
God logically makes no sense and your argument was already debunked by the fact that it uses Godel's theorem wrongly.
Only when they are. We should always call things for what they are. Calling someone a nihilist is not an insult just a descriptions of belief. I have never said you were a nihilist for example. I don't really know what your beliefs are other then not Christian. Af_newbie, on the other hand has more or less stated his agreement with the nihilist worldview. In the course of our multiple discussions we have gone over all of the various postulates of nihilism and as far as I can tell he agrees with all of them. Thus I think it's fair to call him a nihilist just as it is fair to call me a theist. If I have misjudged him he is welcome to tell me so and outline which principle of nihilism he believes to be false and why. Readers can look at our contrasting worldviews Nihilism vs Theism and decide for themselves. You dislike my argument because you don't like the way it used Godel's theorem. I have no problem with that. I disagree and think the way I used it is sound but at least we have isolated the point of divergence. Others can look at that branch and decide for themselves. When did I say that our life has no meaning or purpose? When did I say that human life is worthless? |
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You are a God-obsessed, delusional individual who thinks that every materialist is a nihilist.
No not every materialist just you. LOL. ok, you 'win'. Take your medication NOW. |
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In your world, free will might be an illusion based on your grandiose God Delusion (GGD).
In the real world, unknowns remain unknowns until they become knowns. And there is no such thing as God entity 'painting his work of art'.
There is no free will, things are either determined by the physical laws (neurons firing in your brain) or non-deterministic randomness outside of our control. Both cases push the concept of free will into notbatman's la-la-land.
We disagree so strongly on every single issue because of of your delusion. Let’s call it your grandiose nihilistic delusion (GND). In your world life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value, morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are arbitrarily contrived. Human or even the entire human species is essentially insignificant, without purpose and of no importance in the totality of existence. http://www.arasite.org/WL3/nietnihil.html#_ftn1It is the continued destruction of all meaning and signification. It is the belief that nothing really matters any more, because nothing really has any meaning. We have no system of beliefs or values which could orientate us. The old systems of belief, like religion and morality, still exist, but at best we only follow them half-heartedly, and at worst, think that they have no meaning whatsoever. They exist only the edges of our lives and consciousnesses. But it isn’t just the world that doesn’t have any meaning anymore. We ourselves don’t have any meaning to ourselves. Why should we choice one course of action over the other? What does it really matter anymore, since no-one’s individual life really has any significance in the grand scheme of things...
Nothing is worth much anymore, everything comes down to the same thing, everything is equalized. Everything is the same and equivalent: the true and the false, the good and the bad. Everything is outdated, used up, old dilapidated, dying: an undefined agony of meaning, an unending twilight: not a definite annihilation of significations, but their indefinite collapse.
By rejecting intrinsic value as you do, your are not abandoning the quest for value but certifying the absence of value. What is the antithesis of nihilism? It is faith. Faith holds that life has inherent meaning. It proclaims that there is an objective status for ethical ideals grounded in the very bedrock of creation. It teaches that man is created "in the image of God," and therefore has inherent dignity and immense value. It offers mankind a purpose in this universe. Faith demands we not accept the world as it is. Faith provides an ideal and asks us for ethical perfection. It is a goal we fall far short of a world to strive for. Your nihilism provides none of these things for at its heart it is a philosophy of emptiness. Free will may be an illusion so might time and indeed the entire universe as we perceive it. These possibilities, however, are irrelevant. We have the freedom to express who and what we are by living life. Who and what we are is ultimately determined by what we ‘choose’ to be. Maybe there is some higher order perspective that is capable of knowing the entire structure of our neuronal wiring or is not limited by time as we are and capable of knowing with certainty what our future choices will be. Even in that scenario we are still ‘free’ in the sense that we shout out to the universe what we fundamentally are via our lived lives. In your world the murderer had no choice on his actions he was compelled to kill by his neuronal wiring the killer is a victim compelled by cause and effect. In my world the murderer made a conscious choice to commit a horrific evil and informed us of who and what he is. We will not agree because our world views are fundamentally incompatible. We will have to leave it to the readers to ‘choose’ which of our two world views they believe true. In your example, the murderer does not live in a vacuum. His thoughts (neurons firing in his brain) are the result of what has happened in his life and/or around him at the moment he is making his decision. The 'choices' that his mind produces are the result of causality that preceded his thoughts. The conscience itself is an effect, not the cause. As for your babbling about nihilism, well, you just proved my point. You are a God-obsessed, delusional individual who thinks that every materialist is a nihilist. |
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You really don't have control over your thoughts and actions as you think you do.
If the universe is deterministic, you have no control over your actions, they are the result of causations that preceded them.
If the universe is non-deterministic, there must be some randomness inside or outside of your brain over which you have no control.
i.e. there is no free will.
That is why the notion that God created evil but gave homo sapiens 'free will' does not make any logical sense.
We either have free will or we have such a perfect illusion of free will that the difference from our frame of reference is moot. ... Because you say so? Where is your logic, went out of the window? I gave you a logical conclusion about why there cannot possibly be free will. Your assertion is baseless. My assertion is most definitely not baseless. We cannot know higher order perspectives of reality for they are outside of our frame of reference. From a sufficiently high Godlike perspective time itself may not even exist and everything may appear as a four dimensional structure consisting of the present past and future simultaneously. See: TIME is an ILLUSION https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VYZQxMowBswIf that were the case then from that Godly perch not only do we not have free will we don’t even have a future. We would be more akin to God’s finished painting a fixed image or work of art. Say for a moment that is the nature of reality. Would the simultaneous existence of our fixed future change anything? No because it is totally outside of our perceived reality. From our perspective that future is yet to come and will be brought into existence by our actions. For us it may as well not yet exist. Free will is the same problem. Free will may indeed be an illusion but if it is the illusion is perfect for the determinism is undetectable to those of us living under it. Thus from our limited perspective of we either have free will or we have a perfect illusion of free will. The difference between the two are undetectable for us and thus moot. In your world, free will might be an illusion based on your grandiose God Delusion (GGD). In the real world, unknowns remain unknowns until they become knowns. And there is no such thing as God entity 'painting his work of art'. There is no free will, things are either determined by the physical laws (neurons firing in your brain) or non-deterministic randomness outside of our control. Both cases push the concept of free will into notbatman's la-la-land. |
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^^^ God perfectly controls the thoughts and actions of us all according to the free will directions we would move if we had control. But He controls, also, according to His desires for the universe, and the order He has placed herein. ...
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You really don't have control over your thoughts and actions as you think you do.
If the universe is deterministic, you have no control over your actions, they are the result of causations that preceded them.
If the universe is non-deterministic, there must be some randomness inside or outside of your brain over which you have no control.
i.e. there is no free will.
That is why the notion that God created evil but gave homo sapiens 'free will' does not make any logical sense.
We either have free will or we have such a perfect illusion of free will that the difference from our frame of reference is moot. ... Because you say so? Where is your logic, went out of the window? I gave you a logical conclusion about why there cannot possibly be free will. Your assertion is baseless. |
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The problem with your argument is that ignores god. God is all knowing and powerful, there was never any ''need'' of any of those laws, god could have made moral laws from the beginning and there would have been no ''primitive'' civilizations at all since they all of them would have followed God's rules, was it really that hard?
Yes he could have but then we would be slaves. Why Does God Allow Evil?Awful argument. First it talks about babies dying from horrible diseases and then proceeds to say there is evil in all of us and that's why god can't get rid of evil because he would have to wipe humanity. However, a baby is not evil and has done nothing, he/she didn't even have time to do anything and yet they still die for absolutely no reason of horrible diseases, suffering. Another important flaw in your argument that we would be ''slaves'' is the FACT that god himself already wiped the whole humanity once, remember? With the flood? I'm not sure your brain functions correctly mate. Ignorant points. All people die. Or do you know of someone who is 200 years old, and still wildly young? The differences are how old they are when they die, and everything else when comparing people... like the different locations they hold in space, and the different atoms that make up their respective bodies. The point is that God provides salvation in simply understanding that Jesus removed the curse of death. There will be a resurrection. If you say there won't be a resurrection, how do you know? After all, life the first time is impossible, except that it is here. So, if impossible life can miraculously happen once, why would you think it can't be brought about a second time? Turn while you have the chance, and accept the salvation offered. But if you won't accept, it isn't because you didn't know. Rather, it's because you made your choice.You really don't have control over your thoughts and actions as you think you do. If the universe is deterministic, you have no control over your actions, they are the result of causations that preceded them. If the universe is non-deterministic, there must be some randomness inside or outside of your brain over which you have no control. i.e. there is no free will. That is why the notion that God created evil but gave homo sapiens 'free will' does not make any logical sense. |
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^^^ Not that I agree with notbatman...... but the substance of a scale inside a Faraday cage will be affected by the change in EM influences so as to reflect the same weight for the object when it and the scale are outside. And if the scale is outside, but the object inside, and the whole cage is weighed, the cage, itself, transmutes the EM influences as they are passed from inside to outside. That's why we detect no difference. LOL, you are about the same IQ. So I am not surprised. Magic is everywhere. LOL. |
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^^^ Relativity/Gravity has been falsified by Sagnac and Dufour & Prunier, the rug has been pulled out from under your counter-argument of muh grabity; you've got no valid explanation for why objects fall/sink. As a bonus Sagnac confirmed experimentally the existence of a static aether, it's this aether (a superfine gas-like material) that gets displaced in a vacuum and pushes on objects.
A compass works inside a Faraday cage so clearly it doesn't remove all electromagnetic influences.
So you agree that it removes some 'electromagnetic influences'? If so, the objects should weigh less inside the Faraday's cages, according to your 'electric field pushing objects down theory'. |
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You agree with their tenets, why don't you call yourself Satanist? You do believe that Satan/Baphomet exists, don't you?
Do you prefer Christian mass theatrics? You know, cracker turning literally into the body of Christ and wine into the blood of Christ, all at once in all churches across the US, every Sunday. Is that why you are a Christian?
I don't agree with any of their tenets they are flawed. I agree with what I wrote immediately above which might sound superficially similar to their tenants to a non discerning reader but if you look closely you will see they are different each and every one. Symbolism is important. It's carries meaning both purpose and principle. That is why the rituals of Christianity matter they are important. It is also why the rituals of the Satanist matter. I believe evil exists as objective reality. How you want to envision that evil and reduce it to a form the human mind can grasp is up to you. I don't see any difference between Christian and Satanist symbolism. They both deal with blood, murder and human sacrifice. They are equally insane, IMHO. |
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Which if their seven tenets do you personally disagree with? The Satanic Temple has seven fundamental tenets: 1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason. 2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. 3. One's body is inviolable, subject to one's own will alone. 4. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own. 5. Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs. 6. People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused. 7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_TempleI disagree with economic egalitarianism, everything else looks good to me (maybe 2 is a bit radical, first change the laws, don't go over them). The Devil as they say is in the details. The most dangerous lies mix truth and falsehood. I lack the time or desire to go into a point by point refutation of these but perhaps the following will enable a quick understanding of my thoughts. Satanic Temple tenets fixed by CoinCube 1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures. 2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit. 3. One's body is inviolable from the moment of conception. 4. The freedoms of others should be respected unless they unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another. 5. We should take care to ensure that our beliefs conform to reality. Scientific observation and theory is a powerful formalized tool that helps us achieve this. 6. People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we have an obligation to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused. 7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. There is no logical way to go from the above tenants to: “And despite the fact that they claim that they “don’t worship Satan”, the group does celebrate the black mass, it does conduct Pentagram rituals, and it does seek to put statues of Baphomet up in prominent public locations.” You agree with their tenets, why don't you call yourself Satanist? You do believe that Satan/Baphomet exists, don't you? Do you prefer Christian mass theatrics? You know, cracker turning literally into the body of Christ and wine into the blood of Christ, all at once in all churches across the US, every Sunday. Is that why you are a Christian? |
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'The Satanic Temple' Has Evolved Into An Anti-Trump Movement, And Leftists Are Flocking To Ithttps://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-25/satanic-temple-has-evolved-anti-trump-movement-and-leftists-are-flocking-itThe Satanic Temple is the perfect religion for progressives. You can believe anything you want, as long as you hate what Donald Trump, Christians and conservatives believe. Unlike the Church of Satan, the Satanic Temple doesn’t even believe in a supernatural entity called Satan. Instead, they celebrate Satan as “the ultimate rebel”, and they relish in using the symbol of Satan to greatly upset Christians. The Satanic Temple was founded in 2013, and from the very beginning it was clear that they were primarily a political movement. In fact, they openly tell prospective members that the only real requirement for joining is to believe “in the political and secular actions” of the group…  “If there’s a local chapter where you are, to join you do have to be accepted, but there’s no initiation or anything. You don’t even have to be a Satanist, you can just be a strong ally who believes in the political and secular actionswithout being super stoked about all the aesthetic aspects.”Previously, Satanism in America had always been a shadowy underground movement, but the Satanic Temple has changed all that. Instead of avoiding the public eye, they believe that their rebellion against conservatives and Christians “requires a level of political participation”… 'black metal music, but with the Satanic philosophy being where Satanism represents rebellion against arbitrary authority, we believe it requires a level of political participation. I think that we need to go into the public sphere and announce ourselves without shame.’The organization grew rapidly after it was founded, but if Hillary Clinton had won the 2016 election that probably would have put a damper on their political activism. But once Donald Trump won the election, interest in the group absolutely exploded…
“The Satanic Temple attracted ‘thousands’ of new members in just the first 36 hours after the election of Donald Trump,” the group reported. “The 4-year-old temple, which had a pre-Trump membership of around 50,000, has never before seen a spike in registration nearly this big.”
“We’re definitely a resistance movement,”spokesperson and co-founder Lucien Greaves said after a speech outside the University of Colorado Boulder. “We stand in stark opposition to this idea that we must unify under a single religious banner.”Thanks to a favorable new documentary about the group, it is getting a lot of attention right now. And even many leftists that have absolutely no intention of joining the Satanic Temple are saying very positive things about the organization. For example, the following comes from a Huffington Post article entitled “Satan Is Having A Moment”… "Satanists, it turns out, are everything you think they’re not: patriotic, charitable, ethical, equality-minded, dedicated to picking up litter with pitchforks on an Arizona highway.
That much is clear in the fantastic new documentary “Hail Satan?” — which chronicles the rise of the Satanic Temple, a movement that has little to do with its titular demon. Founded in 2013, the organization is equal parts modern-day religion, political activist coalition and meta cultural revolution. By reclaiming the pop iconography that has long frightened evangelical America ― devil worship, ritualistic sacrifice, horns, pentagrams, the so-called Black Mass ― the Satanic Temple aims to catch people’s attention and then surprise them with messages of free speech, compassion, liberty and justice for all."Positive articles like that make members of the Satanic Temple sound like civic-minded do-gooders that just want to make a positive impact on society, but the truth is that they absolutely loathe everything that conservatives and Christians stand for.They really hate President Trump, and they really, really hate Vice-President Pence. Just consider what one of the co-founders of the Satanic Temple recently said about Pence… “[President Trump] is too stupid to predict; the guy has no concept of his own limitations. The thing that makes me most comfortable with Trump is the fact that he has no vision. Mike Pence really scares me,” Lucien Greaves told The Daily Beast in an interview published on Wednesday. “Pence has a clear, theocratic vision for the United States.”And despite the fact that they claim that they “don’t worship Satan”, the group does celebrate the black mass, it does conduct Pentagram rituals, and it does seek to put statues of Baphomet up in prominent public locations.As the group continues to grow, their national influence undoubtedly will as well. Perhaps it is appropriate that the Satanic Temple has gained such prominence. In our society today, we are literally locked in a battle of good vs. evil for the future of our nation, and it seems quite fitting that Satan has become a key symbol for the other side. To me, the Satanic Temple is more than just a little bit hypocritical. They claim to not believe in any supernatural entities, and yet they were just granted tax-exempt status “as a church” by the Internal Revenue Service… "The Satanic Temple has been officially recognized as a church by the Internal Revenue Service, three months after taking Sundance by storm as the subject of the documentary “Hail Satan?” According to an announcement from “Hail Satan?” distributor Magnolia Pictures, the temple is now eligible for the tax-exempt status given to other religious institutions." Either they are a “faith” or they are not. Unfortunately, I have a feeling that there is a lot more to the Satanic Temple than meets the eye. Just like their hero, the leaders of the Satanic Temple appear to be experts in deception, and they are leading thousands upon thousands of people down a very dark path. Which if their seven tenets do you personally disagree with? The Satanic Temple has seven fundamental tenets: 1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason. 2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. 3. One's body is inviolable, subject to one's own will alone. 4. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own. 5. Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs. 6. People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused. 7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_TempleI disagree with economic egalitarianism, everything else looks good to me (maybe 2 is a bit radical, first change the laws, don't go over them). |
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@af_newbie, a Farday cage blocks some radiated EM waves and static electric fields, it doesn't block all electromagnetic phenomenon. A magnetic compass for example will continue to function inside a Faraday cage and, electric displacement current (such as in a capcitor) can also pass through the cage.
Look at the phenomenon of electromigration, this effect is akin to how the force pushing you down works. It's not a direct push from the electric field, the less dense particles push on the more dense particles as they're attracted to the positive anode. With Earth and the buoyant forces pushing you down it's the action of displacement current acting on the atmosphere, however just a current of charged ions is usually involved with the example of electromigration.
You could imagine for simplicity's sake that we're all inside a giant asymmetric capacitor with the negative plate being the surface of the Earth and, the positive plate being the surface of the dome above. The apparent or fictitious force we all know and love as gravity is all but an electrical action that mediates density and buoyancy between the plates of this electrical device.
Faraday's cages block both static and non-static ELECTRIC fields.You said the electric field is 'pushing' objects down. Inside the Faraday's cage, there is no electric field, yet the objects weigh (pushed down) the same as outside of it. Clearly, it is not the 'electric field' that is responsible for objects' weight. I caught you red-handed, up to your knees in your own bullshit (aka 'notbatman's Earth's electric field theory). Do you want to switch your 'theory of gravity' to magnetic fields now? Let me know, I will fucking bury you in your own horseshit. |
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^^^ You and I (average people) might talk honestly with a Jew and a Muslim. But the Muslim won't talk honestly, because he has Islam larceny in his heart. And the Jew is simply too shrewd to be honest, except when it is clearly to his advantage.You mean like Jesus and his message, LOL |
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^^^ Nobody is telling you that you have to be interested in finding out, enough to search. The reason you don't do your own research is that you think you know already. But if it isn't this, the only thing that is left is that you are trying to hide the truth from others (and maybe clarification from yourself). How do we know this? Because if you simply weren't interested, you wouldn't respond. But I did my own research and I was a believer too, how we know this? Because I know myself and I read the bible and God didn't answer, ever, so I stopped believing, it's quite simple really. The Bible says in at least two places that God answers before we ask. God answered before you asked by having the Bible written long before you picked it up to read it. And yet he failed since I'm no longer a believer, is he stupid? The answer to that, of course, is: "God works in mysterious ways." The religious apologetics remind me of telemarketers and their scripted questions and answers. I always try to take them off the script just for fun. String them along and then hit them hard with facts and their own logical inconsistencies. Hard to find any religious idiot worth debating. |
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The only one in checkmate here is anybody using gravity or relativity to argue their point, why do you think Astargath is trying so hard to discredit and ignore Dufour & Prunier's 1939 replication of Sagnac experiment.
The force acting on an object is from the displaced medium, that being aether (vacuum), air, water or whatever the object is surrounded by. Aether flows through all matter with little to no resistance and can't be shielded against.
My point here is that the force pushing you down is ultimately electric in origin but it's not a direct action like how they claim gravity works. There's an entirely different process involved akin to what's known as "electromigration", this effect like the force pushing you down will continue to act even inside a Faraday cage.
LOL. Electric fields do not go inside Faraday's cages. Migration my ass. You and your 'electric field theory' are a toast. Checkmate. Done deal. BTW, nobody is talking about gravity in this argument. You invent shit as you go. 'Electromigration', WTF? Hey, 'electric field' there is a nice Faraday's cage over there, let's go inside to take a look around. But I cannot, every time I try I just get stuck to the surface of the cage and go to the ground. Well, you just 'migrate', ask notbatman, he 'knows'. But how do I get out? Well, you 'migrate' again. LOL. Like I said. Checkmate. 'Electromigration' does not exist. If it did, all telecommunications equipment would never work, some tuner circuits are using Faraday's cages to block electric fields. Sorry. You are done. |
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