Do you have personal experience with what happens? I'm assuming you don't. As someone else said, you're not as wise as you think.
I've never claimed to be the slightest bit wise, else I wouldn't ask questions. However, I am certain America isn't going to sit around and let its citizens simply not pay taxes; after all, if evading or altering your taxes was legal, what use do we have of the IRS? Let's get rid of them, since taxation is not enforced. |
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I've noticed most people here don't like Apple. I am proud to be one of you all  |
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Hendrickson's site is full of people who have traded some mails with the IRS and ended up with a check (One of the links I posted - "Every which way but loose" aaEWWBL). It's also full of people who didn't have to trade any mails - they just made an "educated" filing and the IRS handled it properly the first time (Another link, "More victories", which has several pages of scanned refund checks).
I studied the EWWBL pages for a while to conclude that the government is not as depraved as (I assume) you show in your video. Or perhaps they are, but they aren't (yet?) willing to go public with the "violate the law because we need revenue" strategy to all their peons. They have an image to protect, and that means we can still get them to follow the laws.
I've seen a few stories about people battling the IRS and eventually winning, without having to resort to lawyers. Right, it's that image which keeps anyone from questioning the government; because most everyone pays their taxes (or at least, pays whatever taxes that are automatically swallowed by sales, property and whatever's taken out of their paycheck), the government hasn't generally been open about forcing their citizens to pay up. Rather, they use the schools they own to beat the idea into children that "everyone pays their fair share" etc., so by the time your brain's been fried and out of high school, you're ready to go to work (sometimes college, but in my area, most people stick with working.) Nobody really questions why they pay taxes; they mostly just know it goes into roads and pays for ambulances. My personal beef with it stems from paying for war and social security; I wouldn't mind paying taxes, if I could control how those taxes were spent. I have no control over that, nor do I control how much I pay. Even if one disagreed with complete anarchy, I don't believe the system we have now is preferable or functional long-term. (We could refer to ancient Rome as an example of a powerful society which stumbled and fell.) Anyway, it's easier when your citizens aren't well versed in politics or tax law. Just so happens, public schools will never mention anarchy or even bother with alternatives to our current system; communism is painted evil and the military can do no wrong. It's a cycle, and one that's being broken through the Internet. |
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omg dude. I know you want to be right in an argument with me and I'm frustrating the piss out of you but you don't get it. it's much easier to live off the grid than you think. I do pay taxes, but I have also spent time living off the grid. if you can grow food or acquire it and you can find shelter it's really not as hard as you think. homeless can be a lifestyle choice, but it is most often used to describe mentally Ill men a large percentage of whom were Vietnam era soldiers and sailors. repeat after me: Mike Christ still has much to learn
I do have much to learn. However, because you've failed to learn when you were my age, and thus decided you would stop learning because you've "had enough", you're now completely disconnected with the real world. I take pride in knowing I have much to learn, and I never want to stop. You, on the other hand, will never get it. I don't need to prove I'm correct; I don't think there's anyone here who considers your arguments worthwhile. Everything you've said has been a reflection: hell, there's even one here. I know you want to be right in an argument with me All you must do is shut your eyes, close your ears, and proclaim you are right before ever having been shown why you're wrong at almost every level. Why? For stupid reasons. Mostly bigotry, but I assume the rest is because you're too high to care. Repeat after me: Ignorance is bliss. It is apparent that neither Mike nor Viceroy has read the links I put in my post. You have to pay taxes IF you use federally connected activities to earn your "income". That's a pretty narrow definition. FUD and deceit play a big role in financially supporting the US government.
Really sorry; I was caught up in a pointless fight. Thing is, battling the IRS, even when they're wrong, is time-consuming and can be costly. I've recently learned of a prospective governor of Nevada who plans on severing ties with the IRS; this is the first time I've heard of anyone actually confronting the IRS and telling them to stay out of their lives. |
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Bitcoin a currency disassociated from any nation, might have to build it's own and not necessarily with physical borders.
Wouldn't mind it if Bitcoin dropped all these imaginary borders. |
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it depends on what you want in life. if you want a bank account, car loan, mortgage or a job... you'd better learn to pay the taxman. if you can live off the grid then you probably pay little to no tax.
Really? No tax? So no sales tax? No property tax? No SS tax? No taxes at all? The only way you can accomplish that is by going homeless, or living off welfare. If homelessness and welfare are your idea of an American dream, kudos. You've been successfully brainwashed. |
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what he said, ignorant one
Point remains: do you, or do you not, have to pay said tax? And if you do not pay it, will the IRS act, yes or no. the IRS can and does do nothing
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yes you are right... your opinion lacks value too but at least you are an American and your vote might actually mean something... as misguided and naive as it is.
and mike, feel free to move on down to mexico if you dont like it here.
Uh huh. Feel free to prove me wrong here. |
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The biggest collection of morons in history.
let me finish your sentence... "believe this was a false flag op." hey sev, why you still here if you hate this place so much? I hear Afghanistan is nice this time of year... Quite frankly, I am disgusted with the boston people.
and as a non American we I should care about your opinion because? There is no we. There's only you. |
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We're all moving into the same neighborhood |
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Ooo la la  No need, the whole point of this thread existing was to expose how much of an idiot Viceroy is. I've succeeded. |
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when will you say something interesting?
When your interests don't revolve around your wet American dream. |
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you are so conflicted, young one. you said I am a fool because I feel a duty to pay tax (to support the military, education and old people) and then you say anyone who doesn't pay taxes is a fool. which will it be?
What the fuck are you talking about? the IRS can and does do nothing
Answer this direct conflict, first. You can begin with the following words: "I am wrong about the IRS because" |
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Not my fault you're oblivious to satire Then again, you're oblivious to anything that isn't painted red, white, and blue, so I'm not surprised. |
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nonsense, you just like to hear yourself talk. the IRS can and does do nothing, wish and want as you may America is not the amerika you dream it to be. and you are always welcome to leave (when you turn 18, that is). follow my link young naive one... the article from great Britain.
Anyone and everyone who is an American citizen can tell you that the IRS is nothing to fuck with. You cannot be a born American if you don't even know this; I won't believe it. Are there no schools in Connecticut? How the hell do people like you happen? Help me understand how you happened. Anyone, anyone, on this forum who is American, can back me up on this: the IRS can and does everything it can to the extent of the law, and then beyond the law. Simply because you have not experienced this yourself does not mean it doesn't happen. There are a plethora of examples online describing what a nightmare the IRS is: I made it easy for you, see here. |
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Mike Christ is short for Mikalai Christensen
Snapsunny was this weird little thing where I was Snap, another friend was Crackle, and a third was Pop. For some reason, I thought it appropriate to mix it with "Sunny", a nickname I'd gone by when I was younger.
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dude I know a scoundrel who owes the fed more than 50 million and he walks around free. so what's gonna happen? it's been more than a decade... come on what are they gonna do?
I, on the other hand, pay my taxes because I feel a duty to do so.
and in a few decades I'll still be able to wipe my own ass just fine. I may be here another 5 decades based on genetics. modern medicine might add another decade or more. and if I'm really really lucky the new age drug will be out in 5 years and I'll live another 11 decades.
Doubtful, but, at least you're hopeful. I assume you have no background in genetics, medicine, or medical machinery, if you believe any of that is true. The point is, the man you refer is a "scoundrel", implying he has done wrong by not paying taxes. Certainly, some people get off the hook, but how many people will avoid taxes before the IRS starts taking names? It's because of people like you, Mr. Patriot, he who has been brainwashed into this duty (for I assume you were serious earlier when you said you were), that taxation continues, and the "scoundrel" walks free until the IRS deems it appropriate to take him on. After all, the average man earns a measly 1 million during his life time; unless this "scoundrel" is already a millionaire, nothing anyone can do will extract that money from him. What's he gonna do? Nothing. He can do nothing in his life if he owes the IRS 50 million, for any significant amount of cash he owes will be swallowed. If not, the IRS need to get on their game. "Come on what are they gonna do?" Watch the video again. It explains exactly what they do. First they'll ask nicely. Then they'll demand. Then they'll threaten. Then it's jail time. If you resist the police, you die. You saw what happened when someone resists police force, did you not? For any reason, whether you killed a guy, or avoided taxes. What do you think will happen if this "scoundrel" is caught? What do you think will happen if people realize nothing happens to this "scoundrel"? You may taxes willingly, but if enough people decided not to, or if enough wealthy people decided (which they already have, by putting most taxes on people like you), then it's the use of force. It doesn't matter if you feel it's your duty or not. Taxes will be paid. |
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If you feel so strongly about it, I urge you to do something before it is too late. Start your own exchange now while you still can. Relying on other people to solve your problems for you is ineffective, and crying about it won't solve anything.
True. However, more exchanges have been made, and nobody is using them in lieu of the Gox. It's not a problem any one individual can solve. So, the problem then is not Mt. Gox. The problem is the people using it. Then, it seems that getting rid of Mt. Gox is trying to solve the wrong problem. Agreed. Instead, people need to understand why centralization is bad, and understand the repercussions of what will happen if Mt Gox remains the most popular exchange (that being, incredible volatility and an easy source to, for lack of a better term, fuck with Bitcoin and its value.) Mt Gox is only providing a service; outside from providing a less than quality service, they're doing no wrong. |
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that was quite possibly the most naive presentation I've ever seen. the cloud is an idiot who keeps suggesting that if you don't pay your taxes and a policeman comes to the door and you draw a gun you will die... therefore if you don't pay your taxes you die. holy shit boy, do you really think it's that simple? we stopped jailing paupers hundreds of years ago.
are you going to privately fund a highway? ROFL!
how about getting some cops to lock up Jeff., guess you'd need taxes for that huh?
I was waiting for the skeleton to tell the idiot to leave and then he broke down and asked what if the Indians want their land back? oh my fucking god boy, do you actually subscribe to this nonsense?
look me up in a few decades after your mommy stops wiping your ass and paying your Internet bill!
In a few decades, someone will be wiping your ass. That's not a joke. Here's a fun experiment: stop paying taxes, stop filing taxes, ignore the IRS when they ask to audit, and see what happens. Have fun! |
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