In reality, it has little to do with it. It's the dividend of being at the opposition during the difficult time of the COVID and energy crisis. But good luck to Giorgia Meloni and his friends this winter, when things will inevitably heat up! (pun intended!). Not sure how many other countries going neo-fascist due to covid response? Are you sure it's not just social and financial pressures leaving majority confused and looking for answers, opening a door wide open to any populist that claims to have a simple solution to everyone's problems preferably which can fit on a cap? In other news, The pound’s slide works to the benefit of American tourists, as it allows their dollars to go further.
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The greenback is up more than 19 percent against a basket of foreign currencies so far this year, which should help reduce U.S. inflation by making imported products more affordable. But at the same time, the stronger dollar is causing problems for U.S. trading partners.
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chancellor of the exchequer, or finance minister, announced a package of cuts worth 45 billion pounds ($48 billion) — amounting to the biggest shake-up to the British tax system in 50 years.
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Under Truss, the government has slashed the top income tax rate of 45 percent for those making more than 150,000 pounds ($160,000) a year and scrapped the cap for banker bonuses — moves that will predominantly help more-affluent citizens in hopes that they will increase their spending.
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In a broader-reaching measure, the government will cap energy bills starting in October — at a cost of 60 billion pounds for six months.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/09/26/uk-gbp-pound-falls-usd-dollar/So borrow more to subsidize energy bills of the poor, cut taxes for the bankers, and make American tourists happy tada! everyone wins right, surely no category of people somewhere in the middle is left out of this great plan? At least the queen doesn't get to see GBP-USD parity. |
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So this is real interesting. Remember the GBTC arbitrage trade that no longer works : from bloomberg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-10/-slam-dunk-bitcoin-arbitrage-fizzles-for-biggest-crypto-fund "When that happens, hedge funds swoop in to take advantage. They borrow Bitcoin, deposit the coins with GBTC in exchange for shares that are more valuable than the coins they bought, and they pocket that profit by selling the marked-up shares after a six-month lockup period expires. Thanks in part to the trade’s popularity, GBTC’s assets have swelled to over $35 billion from about $1.5 billion a year ago." Now we are at just under 12 Billion AUM. Did some greedy as fuck hedge funds get fucked ? 35% discount, no one wants to buy GBTC ? So they "arbitraged" thinking no risk for 34 billion probably as a group, making UNHOLY amounts of money (at first). 6 months is a long time in bitcoin. Once unlocked I guess they have shares that the market can't absorb. There just isn't any hecking liquidity, or demand for that kind of bitcoin stuck in a 2% fee vague-regulation-wise fund. The Discount will keep discounting as they try to unload. Else they are stuck with the gbtc paying 2%. So the guy who made GBTC is making bank even in a bear market. genius. lure em hedge funds with an arbitrage trade, then use the steam roller to make them stuck in their trades and collect that percentage. maybe i read this wrong but finance is fun. get too greedy you'll get eaten by smarter people. edit: is this guy for real making 200 million a year in fees. Its ALMOST, ALMOST as good as stablecoin scams (every single centralized one) where they reinvest proceeds to generate returns, and when their chinese commerical paper goes belly up they can just say it didn't happen and apparently that works. Pretty much, but the other way to look at this is the probability of getting an ETF any time soon. They're the first in line to convert to an ETF and the discount would go to 0 the second they're approved. Looks like market is not pricing in an ETF for another 10yrs or so (2% yearly fee at a current 35% discount cost of money locked etc) |
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Looks to be a bloody Monday on wall st, GBP is in a nosedive, parity to USD soon?
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Is UA's goal still to take Crimea? If so they must start doing work to manage expectations, "we tried to take Crimea, so we ended up loosing 20% of UA"
Ukraine didn't try to "take" anything. If Putin hadn't invaded Ukraine in February, likely eventually some sort of solution could have been reached that did not involve Crimea going back to Ukraine. But now that's less likely as it was proven quite comprehensively that any kind of territorial (or any other kind really) compromise with Putin is impossible. Just like Finland/Sweden staying neutral is no longer an option, great geopolitical victory. I just stated my personal opinion if Z stays in power and continues to hold Odessa I will fully admit that it won't be a full win for RU. See you can do these things when you're not just pushing propaganda, and always forced to claim that whatever happens is actually somehow good for your side. Putin's claimed goals of denazification and demilitarization are pretty amorphous so don't really see a point in changing them.
Meanwhile in the real world, Ukraine is more militarized than it was in February, and nazis are fighting on Russian side. Another goal of "special operation"... achieved? I guess it won't "become RU" just as Donetsk and Crimea didn't became RU, doubt people living there care much about semantics.
People who can remember and compare Mariupol before and after "RU" came to town - they might care. Did a quick search on UA leaders in USSR and came up with the following: Leon Trotsky-leader in the Bolshevik faction, headed the Red Army - Born in modern Ukraine, Nationality Ukrainian Lazar Kaganovich-one of the main associates of Joseph Stalin, known for helping Stalin come to power, given the task of implementation of the collectivization policy that influenced the 1932–33 famine (known as the Holodomor) - Born in modern Ukraine Nikita Khrushchev-Soviet leader, transferred the Crimean Oblast from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR - Ukrainian wife Leonid Brezhnev-Soviet leader - Born in modern Ukraine, Nationality Ukrainian Mikhail Gorbachev-Soviet leader - Half Ukrainian (mother's side) Stalin was from Georgia, doesn't mean Georgia wasn't/isn't oppressed, attacked, or otherwise negatively affected by Russia. I'm sure there were soviet leaders on many levels from many nations that suffered from the soviet regime. This proves nothing and surely doesn't mean that those nations now would want Russia to impose another regime on them, whether they call it soviet, "novorussia", or whatever. 730 million people in Ukraine... that explains why Putin's invasion is failing. How did he miscalculate so badly. A "yes UA's goal is still to take back Crimea" would suffice, so do you personally agree with the "even though we lived fine up to 2014, we're now going to suicide everyone in order to prove a point to the world of just how bad Putin is" strategy? After RU escalates with mobilization and US backs off and doesn't make any new significant military aid commitments to the UA, what exactly is the point of sending UA military to the front lines? Is it to become a bigger victim? Have you considered that people who can remember and compare Donetsk before and after the coup came to town and replaced their duly elected president (who they overwhelmingly voted for) might care too? But i guess that's where you say if they didn't resist and accepted the coup they'd be totally fine?  So you agree that Soviet leadership was fully diversified and represented with different nationalities all the way to the top. So Soviet famine that killed millions of Russians under non ethnically Russian leader is not that leader's nation fault, yet famine that killed millions of Ukrainians under non Russian leaders i still somehow Russia's fault? I know that maths can be hard sometimes so let me help you out, 17% of Ukrainians support Stalin * 43mil population of UA = ~7.300.000 million of Ukrainians support Stalin. Now for your homework try to count how many Georgians support Stalin yourself Georgians display alarmingly high levels of admiration for Stalin—45 percent of them express a positive attitude toward the former Soviet leader. https://carnegieeurope.eu/2013/03/01/stalin-puzzle-deciphering-post-soviet-public-opinion-pub-51075 |
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Blah blah, and we're back to defining what a win and a loss means for both sides. Already 20% of Ukraine are set not to just go under RU's sphere of influence but will become RU!
There is nothing to define, at least for Ukraine - they have a very clear goal. If you're referring to Putin's constantly changing goals of the "special operation" - that's what you get for believing kremlin. And no, it doesn't "become RU". That's not how it works. RU can justify their losses by gained territory, but i still don't think if it's a victory unless they get Odessa. But I'm perplexed by UA, what do you say when someone asks how we went from being mostly under RU's sphere in 2013 with some exposure to EU, and now after colossal looses, to completely loosing at least 20% of our land, potentially becoming a landlocked country, and now being fully reliant on RU/EU?
That may have made some sort of sense before February 24 but no one really takes this seriously in Ukraine anymore. There is no 20% with Putin, there is no treaty he won't break, there is no peaceful coexistence, so it's not really a choice most Ukrainians waste time concerning themselves with. Either beat Putin and his mobilized cannon fodder or suffer another 70 years of holodomor/genocide/rusification/deportations/I'm sure I'm forgetting some other imperial "benefits". Is UA's goal still to take Crimea? If so they must start doing work to manage expectations, "we tried to take Crimea, so we ended up loosing 20% of UA" just won't go down in history books for its great strategy. We protected NATO from RU sounds a tiny bit better. I just stated my personal opinion if Z stays in power and continues to hold Odessa I will fully admit that it won't be a full win for RU. See you can do these things when you're not just pushing propaganda, and always forced to claim that whatever happens is actually somehow good for your side. Putin's claimed goals of denazification and demilitarization are pretty amorphous so don't really see a point in changing them. I guess it won't "become RU" just as Donetsk and Crimea didn't became RU, doubt people living there care much about semantics. I heard things were so terrible in 2010-2014 under RU leaning Yanukovych that 250% of population died from 3 holodomors and the other 1350% died from genocide in gulags just in the first year alone! In fact some say that, in 8yrs under RU people in Crimea, DNR, LNR were forced to eat raped Orc babies just to survive the winter! Did a quick search on UA leaders in USSR and came up with the following: Leon Trotsky-leader in the Bolshevik faction, headed the Red Army - Born in modern Ukraine, Nationality Ukrainian Lazar Kaganovich-one of the main associates of Joseph Stalin, known for helping Stalin come to power, given the task of implementation of the collectivization policy that influenced the 1932–33 famine (known as the Holodomor) - Born in modern Ukraine Nikita Khrushchev-Soviet leader, transferred the Crimean Oblast from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR - Ukrainian wife Leonid Brezhnev-Soviet leader - Born in modern Ukraine, Nationality Ukrainian Mikhail Gorbachev-Soviet leader - Half Ukrainian (mother's side) It's literally easier to find a Soviet leader without UA connection (UA source) in 2016 17% of Ukrainians have a positive attitude towards Joseph Stalin's activities, 1% of them admire. that's about 7,3million people in Ukraine
Blah blah, and we're back to defining what a win and a loss means for both sides. Already 20% of Ukraine are set not to just go under RU's sphere of influence but will become RU!
There is nothing to define, at least for Ukraine - they have a very clear goal. If you're referring to Putin's constantly changing goals of the "special operation" - that's what you get for believing kremlin. And no, it doesn't "become RU". That's not how it works. Take Kiev (Take 1,000 tanks to be blown up outside Kiev, retreat) Decapitate the UA Government. (Zelinsky is now a global super star) Stop Nato Expansion. (Nato Expanded almost instantly) Denazify Ukraine. (Putin trades a bunch of Azof fighters for an oligarch buddy) DaRube: "Blah blah, and we're back to defining what a win and a loss means for both sides." Not following what you're alluding to here
Blah blah, and we're back to defining what a win and a loss means for both sides. Already 20% of Ukraine are set not to just go under RU's sphere of influence but will become RU!
And no, it doesn't "become RU". That's not how it works. Especially the fact that after retreat from Kharkiv oblast it already not like 20 %. A little bit less, around 12-15 %/ 7 months of ''special operation'' and now Russia announced mobilization third time (After WWI and WWII). Everything is going fine. But why the hell it was needed if according to Russian data they have just about 6000 troops killed? Where are these 200k troops who went to this war initially? You're planning to take Ukraine with quantity, but quality also matters. I think there is big difference between contract army which was prepared for this ''operation'' and transcripts without experience in war and questionable motivation.
You're not doing very well with your future predictions. I hope I don't have to remind about 9th May parade in Kyiv.
As I know, russians will not train their conscripted "mobiks" because they have only one NATO-standard army polygon - in Mulino (it can train around 5-10k per month). So only few amount of mobilized people will get proper training. Russia has a NATO-standard army polygon ?? But i'll leave these speculations up to you guys
Is that a process where you elect your representatives
Exactly. toppled in colored coup if not favored by USA?
Unlike dictators, elected officials are supposed to have accountability, and may even be forced to resign if they try sketchy shit like passing authoritarian laws. If USA doesn't favor authoritarians that's probably a good thing but to each their own. A bit of whattabout, but US has favoured and favours any regime that is prone to let them do business on favourable terms. There is no moral superiority on how the US goes about supporting or not a certain government and that has been clear for decades (perhaps a century now) in Latin America. Now, for me this is about the people of Ukraine. They need to be able to choose their destiny and my take is that they would rather not be under Adolf Putin and the army Chief Psychos. But isn't it funny how things always work out like this. After being the most vocal on this, handing out freedom cookies and then buying 8yrs to prep UA while not even attending Minsk agreements and tarnishing their reputation like Germany and France, since Feb 2022 USD is up around 17% against EUR, and up 23% against GBP  not too bad considering things didn't developed the way you wished. When someone looses money someone else must gain money, how many "freedom LNG" deliveries can Europe afford?  |
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So US is sending million 155mm shells, EU depleted their military stock reserves and about to loose heat during the winter, and Russia declaring mobilization. Like literally, what else needs to happen for people to stop pretending and start questioning that maybe, just maybe, this is much bigger than Ukraine?? Uhh, nobody is pretending that. Ukraine is receiving aid from the rest of the world because they know what happens when a psycho gets away with invading another country. If Putin were able to steam roll Kiev without any consequences, he wouldn't stop there. That's literally why NATO exists - to stop the next ass hole that wants to see how many countries he can conquer. If you remember before this all started Russia drew up it's security concerns and requested written reply from US, think it's now safe to assume what kind of finger was drawn on a paper that U.S. ambassador, John Sullivan handed back to Moscow. Oh boo hoo. The US wouldn't let Putin dictate who was allowed to join an alliance that Russia is not a member of. That's how alliances work. Clearly US didn't take Russia's concerns seriously, as a final attempt to show that this is an existential threat for Russia Putin did more posturing, he sent a column of tanks directly to Kyiv. At that point all of EU knew just how serious the situation was, that this is an existential threat for Russia and RU is willing to make it's last stand over this, thus no one in EU expected for US to enable UA to just start taking out that column.
There was no existential threat for Russia. There might be now though. You can put 100% of the blame on Putin for that. And what is "this" Russia needs to annex a piece of Ukraine and then what? You think Ukraine won't continue on the path to joining the EU and eventually NATO? You think NATO won't continue to be more unified than almost any other point before February? How about the two countries that joined NATO in direct response to Putins decision to attack Ukraine? You think the rest of the world will just forget the weaknesses in the Russian military that have been exposed in the last 6 months? Putin already failed. Let me try to summarize your arguments into bullet points, and you can tell me know how close was i to getting them right: - NATO is not a defensive pact for its members at all, but literally?? exists as sort of a world police to use its military power to stop any conflict around the globe it deems beneficial to it? Yemen? Kosovo blah blah blah etc etc etc
- NATO's Article 5 is useless in protecting NATO members because in reality it's a non-EU non-NATO Ukraine that truly protects NATO (what will happen to NATO if Ukraine goes back under RU's sphere like with Yanukovych, did NATO not exist in 2013
 ) - Even though NATO can claim protection over non-NATO or any country in the world, and a non-NATO country somehow protects all NATO countries we should still care when a country officially joins NATO
- There was no existential threat to Russia at all. It should continue to sit there quietly and watch how US assistant secretary and ambassadors bring even larger cookies to Belarus, Kazakhstan, Chechen Republic... that say property of Venezuela/Iraq/Libya/Yemen... surely those people deserve those democracy cookies just as much as Ukrainian people do right?
- Somehow in similar circumstances Cuba was an existential threat to US to justify the blockade even today, just don't think about this one? And don't even think about bringing any cookies to Cuba?
I mean I get that that's what the propaganda wants you to believe, but surely you must see how the rest of the world just might have some issues with such logic. Regardless whether you agree with Russia, Russia indicated it's red lines and US decided to cross it. Selling the idea to population that somehow UA can take back Crimea without RU mobilizing, surely EU leaders knew that such idea was ludicrous now everyone is trying to figure out what was US's grand plan. At this point UK and EU is almost guaranteed to slip into recession, but US might stay flat by selling freedom gas and freedom oil to them.
Russia's existence depends on it's resources and few allies it has left
Then maybe Putin shouldn't be invading (Ukraine) and refusing obligations towards (Armenia) potential allies, and fucking his resource export by walling the country off the rest of the world. everyone in EU is dumbfounded about this great American plan, tons of dead people, EU in recession, UA will be back under RU sphere of influence
Ukraine will not "be back under RU sphere of influence". The cost of that remains to be seen but your assessment of what EU "thinks" is absurd. Aside from Orban, the rest of Eastern Europe knows very well what Russia's sphere of influence means and that giving Putin (part of) Ukraine won't stop him from wanting part of Poland, Germany, or Portugal. That's an existential threat. Edit: Markets opened higher on a day Russia announced mobilization. If market is of any indication (as it has always historically been), no one is pricing in any serious escalation or mobilization of "western" economies to war footing.
Don't quit your troll farm to become a market analyst just yet. Blah blah, and we're back to defining what a win and a loss means for both sides. Already 20% of Ukraine are set not to just go under RU's sphere of influence but will become RU! RU can justify their losses by gained territory, but i still don't think if it's a victory unless they get Odessa. But I'm perplexed by UA, what do you say when someone asks how we went from being mostly under RU's sphere in 2013 with some exposure to EU, and now after colossal looses, to completely loosing at least 20% of our land, potentially becoming a landlocked country, and now being fully reliant on RU/EU? I guess that's where the notion of fighting for Europe comes in, the only way i can think of spinning that is that this was all worth it because we kept Lviv and protected NATO/Poland/UK with our lives from evil Russian orcs. But wouldn't it be easier just to implement Minsk agreements that UA agreed to? STFU everyone forgot about those, insert slippery slope argument here. RU gets to do a victory parade in Odessa and UA in Lviv. As usual, tons of dead on both sides but everyone gets to claim a victory. Your ad hominems always brighten my day  |
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for Russia the stakes are existential
No. For Ukraine the stakes are existential. Not Russia. Russia is invading Ukraine. You're talking about communist utopia kind of world. In real world, there are only select few countries with UN veto power, and they play by different rules. USA didn't see Russia as partner after collapse of Soviet Union, but as defeated side in cold war. We're now looking at consequences, as Russia doesn't seem willing to play that role No, I'm talking about the war in Ukraine. Putin wants Ukraine to be Russia. That's what makes it an existential threat to Ukraine. If Ukraine didn't fight, there would be no more independent Ukraine. If Russia stopped fighting, there would be no more war - but Russia would still exist. Putin fooled you. He claimed there was an existential threat at the beginning of the war, when he thought he had the power to topple Zelenskys government, to justify his decision to invade but the reality is if he wouldn't have invaded NATO wouldn't be expanding as quickly and Ukraine wouldn't be fast tracked to join the EU. Do you really think Russias existence depends on whether or not Putin is able to annex a few regions in the South and East of Ukraine? Because that's all that's left. Use your brain. take solace in knowing that your death will be slow So US is sending million 155mm shells, EU depleted their military stock reserves and about to loose heat during the winter, and Russia declaring mobilization. Like literally, what else needs to happen for people to stop pretending and start questioning that maybe, just maybe, this is much bigger than Ukraine?? Russia's existence depends on it's resources and few allies it has left, financially it just cannot compete with US on "soft power" field especially when US can fuck up almost any country in south America/Africa/Asia/Middle East to get more resources so it can buy up all of the political will it wants in countries directly bordering Russia. Russia knows that if it lets Ukraine slide it will set a precedent for Belarus and Kazakhstan next. If you remember before this all started Russia drew up it's security concerns and requested written reply from US, think it's now safe to assume what kind of finger was drawn on a paper that U.S. ambassador, John Sullivan handed back to Moscow. Clearly US didn't take Russia's concerns seriously, as a final attempt to show that this is an existential threat for Russia Putin did more posturing, he sent a column of tanks directly to Kyiv. At that point all of EU knew just how serious the situation was, that this is an existential threat for Russia and RU is willing to make it's last stand over this, thus no one in EU expected for US to enable UA to just start taking out that column. Now we see the logical conclusion to those events. Sullivan leaves Moscow sept 4, and everyone in EU is dumbfounded about this great American plan, tons of dead people, EU in recession, UA will be back under RU sphere of influence, and China is having a laugh while they get discounted resources from Russia and their manufacturing competitors in EU are wiped out When you read a history book about cold war, how many pages are dedicated to the suffering of Cuban people?
Blah blah blah Russia wasn't perfect, here i found some issues that will convince everyone that Russia wasn't moving towards democracy and freedom in 2013 fast enough. Russia - EU summits were held up to 2014 and this guy just ended his presidency in 2012. Surely the military generals that everyone calls to replace Putin would somehow be much better for everyone Medvedev's "presidency" LOL. BTW have you read his latest drunken ramblings? Not sure what you're still babbling about but you're scraping the bottom of the barrel here. US using their soft power "freedom cookies" to pry Ukraine from Russia is all conspiracy theories because US assistant secretary and ambassadors give out cookies at every coup/revolution Ukraine hadn't been part of Russia for 20+ years at that point. They can do as they please, up to and including not having a pro-Russian president. Try to keep up.
And Cuba was never a part of USA, and thought they could do as they pleased too yet here we are. It helps to know some history
But to your point, if there's a will there's a way. Look I can even help you out and find justification to bring "freedom cookies" to Kazakhstan
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Does anyone even need reasons to justify bringing freedom cookies to Belarus??
Again, relevance? Kazakhstan clearly doesn't want to be friends with Russia anymore (wonder why), and the dicktater of Belarus doesn't need any cookies to be deposed as soon as he loses Putin's support. None of that has much to do with justifying invasion into Ukraine. Ah, Brezhnev propaganda making a comeback. That explains it. Makes totally justifiable for Putin to annex half of Europe because the US is... uhm... what is the point here exactly? or US can go into deescalation stage
What is that magic "deescalation" that would somehow make all Ukrainians love Russia and stop fighting?
Do they have the right to have pro-Russian president?
Yes. Have you heard of elections? Obama Congratulates Ukraine’s Election Winner
The White House released a statement saying that Mr. Obama had called Mr. Yanukovich, the Ukrainian opposition leader, and wished him “success in carrying out his mandate.”
“This peaceful expression of the political will of Ukrainian voters is another positive step in strengthening democracy in Ukraine,” the statement said. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/12/world/europe/12ukraine.htmlHuh, how about that, "peaceful expression" well this doesn't fit your narrative at all! Care to now explain how all presidents are equal but some are more equal than others?Edit: Markets opened higher on a day Russia announced mobilization. If market is of any indication (as it has always historically been), no one is pricing in any serious escalation or mobilization of "western" economies to war footing. |
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They just didn't give it enough time for freedom loving generation to blossom naturally, instead cornering people into a false choice with expected results that we're observing now. Like i previously stated, in 2013 everything was going great, Russia was part of European court of human rights, visa facilitation agreement with EU was in force and there were discussions about visa free entries between EU and RU, plans for Nord Stream2 were being approved etc etc etc. Then somebody felt very uncomfortable with such arrangements and under the pretense of not enough democracy fast enough, decided to attempt to pry the last remaining allies that RU had (while being fully aware of a big chunk of population that still support the ways of Stalin)?!? Kazakhstan was too far east and in China's backyard, Belarus had a crazy leader that managed to hold on to power, and Ukraine was just right to support orange and then maidan revolutions. Even this UA propaganda piece, while salivating over dreams of collapse of RU still blatantly admit that Generals most likely to overthrow Russian regime and not some EU leaning liberals. On top of that they go on to explain how greatly China would benefit from this and following that logic would expedite China's rise to become the biggest global power even sooner! Seriously, this is the best case scenario a military ruled Russia and a stronger China! Who wouldn't want to devastate their own economies for such ingenious plans  Nice attempt at revisionist history... except it's bullshit. Russia wasn't moving towards democracy and freedom in 2013. With a KGB nutjob in power it had bombed Chechnia into submission, had a war with Georgia, and was supporting conflicts and dictatorships elsewhere (Moldova, Belarus, etc). Intervention in Ukraine fits that pattern. Conspiratardery about "somebody feeling uncomfortable" and orchestrating a bizarre sequence of events that manipulated Putin into invading Ukraine makes no sense to anyone except deluded kremlinists. Blah blah blah Russia wasn't perfect, here i found some issues that will convince everyone that Russia wasn't moving towards democracy and freedom in 2013 fast enough. Russia - EU summits were held up to 2014 and this guy just ended his presidency in 2012. Surely the military generals that everyone calls to replace Putin would somehow be much better for everyone  US using their soft power "freedom cookies" to pry Ukraine from Russia is all conspiracy theories because US assistant secretary and ambassadors give out cookies at every coup/revolution  ...I think, to help glue this thing and to have the UN help glue it and, you know, Fuck the EU... Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957BBC must be one of those Russian propaganda sites? But to your point, if there's a will there's a way. Look I can even help you out and find justification to bring "freedom cookies" to Kazakhstan Tokayev’s ex-wife and son are both closely connected to Russia. Indeed, according to media reports, Tokayev’s ex-wife is a Russian citizen. And both she and her son have been linked to pricey real estate in and around Moscow. More recently, their ownership of two apartments in the Russian capital appears to have been covered up in Russia’s federal property database. https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/01/14/meet-the-tokayevsDoes anyone even need reasons to justify bringing freedom cookies to Belarus??  In US One in every 36 Black Wisconsinites are in prison In fact you can name any country and i can provide justification to bring more freedom cookies to it.
So the "people's republics" all announced referendums (on the subject of joining Russian Federation) to take place within the next few days, and Putin was supposed to make a TV appearance, presumably to speak on the subject. The expectation is that of course these territories will be formally annexed by Russia and this will open a legal pathway for military draft/mobilization/special slaughter operation or whatever they will call it. Putin's speech has been postponed though, likely until tomorrow.
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Oh my god what a total surprise...to absolutely no one! How dumb would one need to be to actually believe the propaganda that UA can take Donbas and Crimea from Russia without Russia escalating and calling in it's 2 million in reserves and later fully mobilizing if needed? It's a retarded game of escalation, where as everyone were so happily pointing out, for Russia the stakes are existential. So now Lugansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will all become part of Russia, this will automatically allow Putin to pull 135.000 conscripts into theater to protect new "Russian" territory. Then he'll announce that any country supplying weapons used to attack this new "RU territory" will be considered a party to the conflict with a possible declaration of war to follow. This will free up his hands for further full mobilization, and converting economy/manufacturing on war footing if needed. Stakes are raised, doomsday clock gets closer to midnight. Everyone is now watching US as the ball is now in their court, US can either escalate back, send trillions in military aid and the clock will move into seconds till midnight as the next move for RU would once again be a nuclear stand off, or US can go into deescalation stage. Any bets on what happens next? Everyone on this blue marble gets front row seats to watch if humanity is dumb enough to destroy itself once again. |
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“The U.S.-based investors in Balina’s pool irrevocably committed to the transaction when, from within the United States, they sent their ETH contributions to Balina’s pool. At that point, their ETH contributions were validated by a network of nodes on the Ethereum blockchain, which are clustered more densely in the United States than in any other country. As a result, those transactions took place in the United States.” Airplanes are clustered more densely in the US than in any other country. As a result, US claims custody over everything on all of the airplanes. Geese are clustered more densely in the US than in any other country during their migration. As a result, US claims custody over all geese. Cars are clustered more densely in China than in any other country. As a result, China claims custody over all cars.Oh wait it can go both ways, setting up another abhorrent precedence again, strike the last one. Seems their logic is something like: If you use airplanes in the US to perform illegal stuff, we don't care if you have also used planes for that stuff outside of the US. They see a high enough probability that some of these investments were done through (and in) the US. And at least partially they may be right. However, the thing is their arguments don't have to be fully logical. It's just a matter of being able to succeed with these arguments legally. This kind of loose argumentation might also pose a risk for Bitcoin in the future, when it comes to legal decisions. Problem is the set precedence, if some X blockchain will be mined in China/Russia/Iran more than any other country, does that now mean that Chinese/Russias/Irans laws should be applied to all transactions on that blockchain? |
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“The U.S.-based investors in Balina’s pool irrevocably committed to the transaction when, from within the United States, they sent their ETH contributions to Balina’s pool. At that point, their ETH contributions were validated by a network of nodes on the Ethereum blockchain, which are clustered more densely in the United States than in any other country. As a result, those transactions took place in the United States.” Airplanes are clustered more densely in the US than in any other country. As a result, US claims custody over everything on all of the airplanes. Geese are clustered more densely in the US than in any other country during their migration. As a result, US claims custody over all geese. Cars are clustered more densely in China than in any other country. As a result, China claims custody over all cars.Oh wait it can go both ways, setting up another abhorrent precedence again, strike the last one. |
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proverb says. buy low sell high.
but do you know many out there are confused by this term.
I had to gulp down two beers while explaining in detail about that sentence.
Shit, i always bought when i was high  So... did i do it wrong? Just buy high and sell high, or just hodl and don't trade at all unless high |
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From history, revolutions tend to start for a clear cause and noble motives: depose the king, remove a dictator, "save the country from... nazis, communists, tyrans"... take your pick. French Revolution, aiming to free the people from absolutism ended up in The Terror, Castro's revolution trying to get rid of Batista created Castro's dictatorship, even the peaceful transition from Communism to something else ended up with Adolf Putin grabbing power, Pinochet crimes against humanity,...
They just didn't give it enough time for freedom loving generation to blossom naturally, instead cornering people into a false choice with expected results that we're observing now. Like i previously stated, in 2013 everything was going great, Russia was part of European court of human rights, visa facilitation agreement with EU was in force and there were discussions about visa free entries between EU and RU, plans for Nord Stream2 were being approved etc etc etc. Then somebody felt very uncomfortable with such arrangements and under the pretense of not enough democracy fast enough, decided to attempt to pry the last remaining allies that RU had (while being fully aware of a big chunk of population that still support the ways of Stalin)?!? Kazakhstan was too far east and in China's backyard, Belarus had a crazy leader that managed to hold on to power, and Ukraine was just right to support orange and then maidan revolutions. Even this UA propaganda piece, while salivating over dreams of collapse of RU still blatantly admit that Generals most likely to overthrow Russian regime and not some EU leaning liberals. On top of that they go on to explain how greatly China would benefit from this and following that logic would expedite China's rise to become the biggest global power even sooner! Seriously, this is the best case scenario a military ruled Russia and a stronger China! Who wouldn't want to devastate their own economies for such ingenious plans |
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Can we describe how shady, beautiful and enchanting bitcoin will be in the future, this dream is just a picture of the desire to fight the challenges of achievement, which was initially thought impossible to become more real.
Then where are we, when this achievement is perfectly realized?
Isn't Bitcoin the source of the solution?
The solution does exist in Bitcoin as long as every year there is an increase in enthusiasts to continue to own and use Bitcoin where it is needed. Because what you describe does not materialize easily if all countries in the world have not legalized Bitcoin for payment for any goods or services. So this is what Bitcoin still needs so that the life you describe can soon come true. Because it's about everyone believing in Bitcoin as much as they believe in the fiat currency they use every day. Bitcoin doesn't need or cares about anyone or anything legalizing it. It also doesn't need a yearly increase in enthusiasts, even if we keep current level of enthusiasm (demand) with halfening in supply every 4 years, the price will double or a 25% APY with stable demand |
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I detect some cognitive disorder, do you read what you type? Even if we try to follow your logic, you do realize that "most" means over 50% right?
Actually 'most' just means the greatest amount, which doesn't necessarily mean over 50%. If you have 5 apples, BADecker has 6 apples, and I have 7 apples...I have less than 50% of the apples, but still the most. That being said, I think more than 50% of Russians revere the Soviet Union. Up until recently (when Putin went all Stalin) I believe Stalin had a higher approval rating than Putin, in the high 70% area. That would almost be like Hitler having a higher approval rating than Angela Merkel in Germany with the main difference being their evil sociopath that murdered 10's of millions of innocent people lost the war while Russia won the war. Haha you're really fishing here, you mention it and yet claimed yourself that you don't believe that such definition (for non binary choice) is applicable here "A" for the effort! I mean right, we forgot all about the support for the head of Red army Trotsky (who was Ukrainian btw) Ha you're really fishing there. Trosky died almost 100 years ago. We're talking about Russians still idolizing Stalin today. They died just 13 years apart. But yeah that was sarcasm about Trotsky in case someone else missed it |
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I detect some cognitive disorder, do you read what you type? Even if we try to follow your logic, you do realize that "most" means over 50% right?
Actually 'most' just means the greatest amount, which doesn't necessarily mean over 50%. If you have 5 apples, BADecker has 6 apples, and I have 7 apples...I have less than 50% of the apples, but still the most. That being said, I think more than 50% of Russians revere the Soviet Union. Up until recently (when Putin went all Stalin) I believe Stalin had a higher approval rating than Putin, in the high 70% area. That would almost be like Hitler having a higher approval rating than Angela Merkel in Germany with the main difference being their evil sociopath that murdered 10's of millions of innocent people lost the war while Russia won the war. Haha you're really fishing here, you mention it and yet claimed yourself that you don't believe that such definition (for non binary choice) is applicable here "A" for the effort! I mean right, we forgot all about the support for the head of Red army Trotsky (who was Ukrainian btw)
No fallacy. He meant to say that most Russians revere the Soviet Union and its leaders despite the fact that the Soviet leaders were genocidal maniacs, including the current one.
How can you support the prison of nations, the Soviet Union, or its current reincarnation, the 'Russian' Federation is beyond me.
The 'Russian Federation', is not exactly Russian, and it is not a federation. More like a Russian empire where non-Slavic 'Russians'
are second-class citizens, their populations are systematically destroyed and Russified.
Take down Stalin/Soviet monuments across Russia, then we'll talk. Until then, иди нa xyй co cвoeй PФ.
Your dim-witted reply (however unintentional) brings up a great point, people are quick to call for Putin to step down, be removed, assassinated etc... and they just seem to assume through their ignorance, and are fed by propaganda that the alternative would be some green liberal non-existent party. But as you pointed out yourself there are still a ton of Russians that still revere the Soviet Union, and besides some puppet parties, the next real alternative is a communist party. No one ever mentions how Putin is the centrist as the alternative might very well be a communist party. Who wins then?? “It’s a war, not a special operation. We need a general mobilization,” said Gennady Andreyevich Zyuganov, the leader of the Communist Party https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putins-entourage-demands-full-mobilization-for-the-war-in-ukraine/ar-AA11POYh to eliminate all the unhinged Soviet sympathizers. Dugin or Medvedev types would start a nuclear war way back when they failed to take Kyiv. I agree with you that Putin is a moderate genocidal maniac. I think he is delusional in his assessment of the situation and the pandora box that he unleashed. He still believes that this war was not a mistake. He still feels that he is doing great things for mother Russia. He probably thinks that he can secure a land bridge to Crimea and the whole world will walk away. If I were him, I would ask myself this: "and then what?" This thing will end in a complete breakup of Russia, with or without a nuclear winter. PS. Russia is full of psychopaths who need to be eliminated or heavily medicated, sooner or later. I detect some cognitive disorder, do you read what you type? Even if we try to follow your logic, you do realize that "most" means over 50% right? And then you call for a revolution? So what do you think happens during revolutions where majority supports "genocidal maniacs" as you claim? C'mon count with me, you can do it 2+2 = Or are your mass murdering tendencies implying that you're proposing to physically eliminate half of Russia now?? What happens during revolutions? When they start nothing can stop them, regardless of how many dominos are standing (silent majority). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbjko3M0JT4Swing and a miss, or rather not even a swing. No attempt at addressing the underlying issue at all, bravo! Keep pushing the mantra that revolution in RU can only bring US/EU aligned leadership, all while arguing the exact opposite yourself. |
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No fallacy. He meant to say that most Russians revere the Soviet Union and its leaders despite the fact that the Soviet leaders were genocidal maniacs, including the current one.
How can you support the prison of nations, the Soviet Union, or its current reincarnation, the 'Russian' Federation is beyond me.
The 'Russian Federation', is not exactly Russian, and it is not a federation. More like a Russian empire where non-Slavic 'Russians'
are second-class citizens, their populations are systematically destroyed and Russified.
Take down Stalin/Soviet monuments across Russia, then we'll talk. Until then, иди нa xyй co cвoeй PФ.
Your dim-witted reply (however unintentional) brings up a great point, people are quick to call for Putin to step down, be removed, assassinated etc... and they just seem to assume through their ignorance, and are fed by propaganda that the alternative would be some green liberal non-existent party. But as you pointed out yourself there are still a ton of Russians that still revere the Soviet Union, and besides some puppet parties, the next real alternative is a communist party. No one ever mentions how Putin is the centrist as the alternative might very well be a communist party. Who wins then?? “It’s a war, not a special operation. We need a general mobilization,” said Gennady Andreyevich Zyuganov, the leader of the Communist Party https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putins-entourage-demands-full-mobilization-for-the-war-in-ukraine/ar-AA11POYh to eliminate all the unhinged Soviet sympathizers. Dugin or Medvedev types would start a nuclear war way back when they failed to take Kyiv. I agree with you that Putin is a moderate genocidal maniac. I think he is delusional in his assessment of the situation and the pandora box that he unleashed. He still believes that this war was not a mistake. He still feels that he is doing great things for mother Russia. He probably thinks that he can secure a land bridge to Crimea and the whole world will walk away. If I were him, I would ask myself this: "and then what?" This thing will end in a complete breakup of Russia, with or without a nuclear winter. PS. Russia is full of psychopaths who need to be eliminated or heavily medicated, sooner or later. I detect some cognitive disorder, do you read what you type? Even if we try to follow your logic, you do realize that "most" means over 50% right? And then you call for a revolution? So what do you think happens during revolutions where majority supports "genocidal maniacs" as you claim? C'mon count with me, you can do it 2+2 = Or are your mass murdering tendencies implying that you're proposing to physically eliminate half of Russia now??
From your link: "
In May, when Washington ordered 1,300 Stinger anti-air missiles to replace those sent to Ukraine, the chief executive of Raytheon, the defence company that makes them, replied: “It’s going to take us a little bit of time.”
"So, I assume you mean "Russia to be so effective destroying anti-air missiles with it's own helicopters and jets" And yeah, typical manipulation from you: In your article there no word about destroying, only words that EU has small amount of weapons, so when they sent something to Ukraine, they need a lot of time to restock it. This is main point of the article: "
The Ukraine war has exposed the skimpiness of western defence stockpiles — especially of unglamorous but crucial supplies such as artillery shells that have been the mainstay of fighting. Lack of production capacity, labour shortages and supply chain snafus — especially computer chips — mean long lead times to replenish them.
" So yeah, in near future after EU will start normal amount of military production, you ll see how russian "regrouping" from Belgorod Especially since russian in unable to destroy any of this western systems (as i remember, they destroyed frew m777 and few m109) Yep, here it is: - 9 155mm M777A2 howitzer: 2 155mm M109A3GN: (1, damaged) (2, damaged)
1 155mm AHS Krab: (1, destroyed)Bad result for the "second world's army" You do realize that it's possible to defend a country without calling for mass murders of all collaborators (in a country without capital punishment) right? In fact, thankfully, I don't see anyone besides af_newbie calling for that. Collaborators should be punished. Some with sentence in prison, some with bullets in their heads. A lot of this collaborators hand over ukrainian activists, ato soldiers, government workers and so on on occupied territories. All those people were killed by russians (I have a lot of cases). And now, some redneck idiot like you is trying to tell us that we need to left collaborators in peace. No, this is my answer to you. They will pay for what they've done Ohh i'm a redneck now? This is a personal first Over the past week, Shahed-136 delta-wing drones, repainted in Russian colors and rebranded as Geranium 2, started appearing over Ukrainian armor and artillery positions in the northeastern Kharkiv region, said Col. Rodion Kulagin, commander of artillery of Ukraine’s 92nd Mechanized Brigade.
In his brigade’s operational area alone, the Iranian drones—which usually fly in pairs and then slam into their targets—have destroyed two 152-mm self-propelled howitzers, two 122-mm self-propelled howitzers, as well as two BTR armored infantry vehicles, he said.
Before the current wide-scale use of the Shaheds, Russia carried out a test last month, striking a U.S.-supplied M777 155-mm towed howitzer with the drone, Col. Kulagin said. Another Iranian drone malfunctioned and was recovered, he said.
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In other areas, the Russians have overwhelming artillery firepower, and they manage with that.
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Scott Crino, founder and chief executive of Red Six Solutions LLC, a strategic consulting firm, said the Shahed-136 could provide Russia with a “potent counterweight” to the high-tech weapons systems, such as Himars missile launchers, that the U.S. has provided to Ukraine.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/russias-use-of-iranian-kamikaze-drones-creates-new-dangers-for-ukrainian-troops-11663415140That's over only one week in a single brigade with only drones (and in self admission)! We can be adults and use our critical thinking to draw some conclusions from bits and pieces that leak to mass media, or we can continue our propaganda by throwing some BS sites claiming minimal losses at each other US has given Ukraine nearly a million 155 mm artillery shells, US ammunition stockpiles being depleted by deliveries to Ukraine and EU is running low on weapons. So only US handed around 1mil 155mm shells to UA, and RU has overwhelming artillery power, draw your own conclusions Edit: with a 100m kill radius of a 155mm, 1mil of them should cover 31.415km^2 that puts 59% of all of Donbas (53.201km^2) in a kill area, now imagine Russian coverage |
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You really need to either man up and show exactly which argument in my replies to af_newbie comment about physically eliminating collaborators is a "straw man" argument, or just quietly stop using long words you don't know the meaning of.
Your concern-trolling about people using rubles and about children is an example of such strawmanning (no one suggested killing children or people using rubles) and I did mention that in my post... perhaps try some reading before going all blue. Now concern-trolling? Are you just throwing out big words in hopes that at least one of them sticks? Concern trolling involves someone opposing an idea or viewpoint, yet acting like they’re an advocate for the cause. A concern troll offers undermining criticisms under the guise of concern. Their goal is to sabotage the cause being discussed, and to inspire doubt among group members. This occurs in groups rallied around a particular issue, especially in political parties, and the goal of concern trolling is to cause dissent within a community.
https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/concern-troll/Right. so now you're trying to say that I'm acting like I'm advocating to physically eliminate all of the collaborators? you're desperately scrapped the bottom of the barrel here think it'd be wise to throw in a towel
... Edit: From my own curiosity The pay of Wagner private military contractors (PMCs), who are usually aged between 35 and 55, is estimated to be between 80,000 ($1087) and 250,000 ($3397) Russian rubles a month. One source also stated the pay was as high as 300,000 ($4077). https://special-ops.org/wagner-group-notorious-private-military-company/At average of $2k/month for 6months that's $12k per contractor. So just that money from EU and US $1,98B, would get Wagner 165.000 contractors for 6months. I do kind of wonder how fast Wagner, or any other PMC really, could ramp up (and maintain something close to their 'normal' effectiveness.) I've heard that they get some of their personnel from prison, but I have to believe that the pool of suitable candidates from that demographic would be exhausted pretty quickly. Another random thing I never got around to mentioning is that a few weeks or a month ago or something, the CEO of Wagner is said to have been nearly killed in an attack that is said to have been the work of the British SAF. The interesting thing about this is that I doubt that very many of the Wagner people are very nice and forgiving, and that would certainly include the CEO. Wagner is, as best I can tell, a private for-profit business entity. It would be quite believable that misfortune which befell Great Brittan, or more generally the interests of the crown, in the form of an attack it could be simply revenge on the part of a privateer and had nothing to do with the Kremlin proper. So do the Putin fan boys consider the Wagner group the good kind of Nazis? How do you rationalize invading Ukraine bc "Nazis" while funding Nazis to fight for you. Similar dissonance as the hate for Hitler while worshipping Stalin. Your childish name calling are quiet hilarious. I'm not a fan of any PMCs but that Pandora's box was mainly opened with Blackwater, world let it slide, so now it became a new norm, to a point where you have to rely on them if you want to have a chance in any modern military conflict. Like has been covered here many times before, unfortunately Nazi's are everywhere, and it's a problem, question is are they hiding and ostracized, or embraced and are allowed to openly show Nazi insignia and do their Nazi torch parades. I'm not a fan of Stalin and i don't subscribe to the idea that end justifies the means, but even attempting to equate the suffering of all races/ethnicities for some idea of a greater good (reforms, collectivization etc...) of Stalin (and to a greater degree Mao) to Hitler's idea of master race and systematic genocide and extermination of people based solely on their race, ethnicity, or beliefs is just abhorrent. What you're trying to pull here is called an Association fallacy a cheap propaganda trick that would only work on the dumbest of people, and fully discredits you. Hitler is bad. Stalin is bad. Thus Stalin = Hitler No fallacy. He meant to say that most Russians revere the Soviet Union and its leaders despite the fact that the Soviet leaders were genocidal maniacs, including the current one. How can you support the prison of nations, the Soviet Union, or its current reincarnation, the 'Russian' Federation is beyond me. The 'Russian Federation', is not exactly Russian, and it is not a federation. More like a Russian empire where non-Slavic 'Russians' are second-class citizens, their populations are systematically destroyed and Russified. Take down Stalin/Soviet monuments across Russia, then we'll talk. Until then, иди нa xyй co cвoeй PФ. Your dim-witted reply (however unintentional) brings up a great point, people are quick to call for Putin to step down, be removed, assassinated etc... and they just seem to assume through their ignorance, and are fed by propaganda that the alternative would be some green liberal non-existent party. But as you pointed out yourself there are still a ton of Russians that still revere the Soviet Union, and besides some puppet parties, the next real alternative is a communist party. No one ever mentions how Putin is the centrist as the alternative might very well be a communist party. Who wins then?? “It’s a war, not a special operation. We need a general mobilization,” said Gennady Andreyevich Zyuganov, the leader of the Communist Party https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putins-entourage-demands-full-mobilization-for-the-war-in-ukraine/ar-AA11POYh
Population of LPR and DPR is around 4mil, Kherson is 1mil, Zaporizhzhia 1,5mil, Crimea is at 2.5mil for a total of around 9mil, when someone calls for mass murders with obscure criteria, why are you not even interested in clearing up how many people exactly they calling to physically eliminate? Is this not a concern to you?
If definition of collaboration is so obvious to you where you feel the need to interject when someone tries to clear it up and asks follow up questions, mind explaining it to the Kyiv-based regional center for Human Rights?
I'm concerned about many bad things happening to the millions of people, but collaboration being a voluntary action puts it near the bottom of the list. However no matter how you prioritize your concerns regarding this war, there is one thing and one thing only that's causing all this trouble and it needs to end in order for all these issues to be resolved. It's the Russian invasion. That's why your concern is not genuine. You just keep looking for new ways - including made-up / straw man / otherwise fallacious "arguments" - to blame Ukrainians for defending their country. Putin is killing Dobas residents by the thousands, you're "concerned" about someone's definition of collaborator. If you were otherwise calling for an immediate end of the occupation AND were concerned about the fate of collaborators then perhaps I could give you the benefit of the doubt. But as it stands now, it's just deflection/trolling/etc. Using well-known Kremlin propaganda tropes is a dead giveaway. You do realize that it's possible to defend a country without calling for mass murders of all collaborators (in a country without capital punishment) right? In fact, thankfully, I don't see anyone besides af_newbie calling for that. And that's where we fundamentally disagree, i see this conflict as a done deal, so I'm concerning myself with what comes after it, and I'm not seeing many good options. Majority of scenarios push Russia and China uncomfortably close together. I am not a fan of China or communism in it's current implementation. This would be a terrible outcome for everyone in the free world, so I'm dumbfounded why US tried to snatch UA out of RU sphere of influence with soft power and their freedom cookies. The outcome for EU is pretty gloom, and it's hard to believe that it's coincidental |
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The drop in inflation from 10.1% in July to 9.9% last month is not going to trouble the Bank of England’s policymakers when they meet next week to set interest rates.
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Top of the list will be the government’s £150bn energy subsidy scheme, which will benefit millions of people who, many have argued, don’t need to be cushioned from the gas price shock.
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In July, wages growth increased to 5.2% from 4.7% in June. These figures may be well short of the inflation rate and reveal the worst squeeze on living standards in two generations
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/14/bank-of-england-will-not-take-foot-off-throttle-despite-drop-in-inflation-interest-ratesOuch on top of worst squeeze on living standards in two generation GDP is at 35yr low against USD. But hey everyone gets a billion to cover a month of their energy bills  Think i need to buy more BTC |
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Right. so now you're trying to say that I'm acting like I'm advocating to physically eliminate all of the collaborators? you're desperately scrapped the bottom of the barrel here think it'd be wise to throw in a towel Add red herring / tone complaint / ad hominem to the endless list of fallacies you're exhibiting in this thread. It'd be wise for you to look outside of urban dictionary for definitions of words you don't understand. I take it you have nothing else to substantiate your totally genuine concern absurd attempts to imply that children and people who used rubles are collaborators?  Now you're trying to claim that i'm disingenuous in my concerns with af_newbie's calls to mass murder after UA abolished capital punishment? And then you're switching claims and now generalizing that i'm exhibiting fallacies in this whole thread? Keep making up claims, surely eventually one of them must hit its target. Infinite monkeys eventually could write Shakespeare too. Population of LPR and DPR is around 4mil, Kherson is 1mil, Zaporizhzhia 1,5mil, Crimea is at 2.5mil for a total of around 9mil, when someone calls for mass murders with obscure criteria, why are you not even interested in clearing up how many people exactly they calling to physically eliminate? Is this not a concern to you? If definition of collaboration is so obvious to you where you feel the need to interject when someone tries to clear it up and asks follow up questions, mind explaining it to the Kyiv-based regional center for Human Rights? Ukraine’s Plan to Prosecute Collaborators
New legislation remains open to interpretation by law enforcement agencies and judges.
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Article 111-1 criminalises actions of setting the temporary occupation of a part of the territory of Ukraine, transferring material resources to unlawful armed or paramilitary groups of aggressor-state or which were created on the temporarily occupied territory of Ukraine.
Article 111-2 criminalises acts that execute or support decisions and actions of the aggressor-state, its occupation administration or armed groups, transfer of resources or assets to representatives of the aggressor-state.
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However, only direct physical coercion - which renders a person unable to be in control of their actions with imminent danger - excludes the criminality of an act.
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In Article 111-1 there are some differences regarding the voluntary nature as it indicates that some acts suppose that a person must act voluntarily, but others do not have the word “voluntarily” at all.
It is a tricky question, because we do not know how law enforcement agencies and judges will interpret it.
https://iwpr.net/global-voices/ukraines-plan-prosecute-collaboratorsNow mind actually contributing to this conversation and giving us your estimate on how many people you feel fall under your definition of "Collaborator"? And if you agree with af_newbie's notion that they all need to be physically eliminated?
We went from UA being unable to even attempt to break the siege of Mariupol in May
Unable to even attempt? Mariupol was besieged completely in early March. What do you think they were doing for the rest of March and April and why do you think the city was leveled when Ukraine finally surrendered? Or is "unable to even attempt to break the siege" your funny way of saying surrender after months of fighting. I thought it was pretty clear, no? Meant just what i said, no double meanings here. As far as I'm aware, there were no attempts from UA at breaking out its units from the besieged Mariupol. All of the civilians weren't let out and units within the city were left to fight on their own until their eventual "evacuation"...to a Russian prison. No way to break Russian siege of Mariupol and Azovstal to rescue Ukrainian troops, says deputy defense minister
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Malyar said that if such a counter-offensive operation to break through the Russian siege of Mariupol were possible, it would already have happened, public broadcasting company Suspilne reported.
https://news.yahoo.com/no-way-break-russian-siege-134100267.html |
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