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2421  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: FortuneJack Casino Refuses to Pay 20 BTC Won From Jackpot! on: January 24, 2019, 07:07:33 AM
From the looks of it, both you and TMAN have collectively derailed this thread and likely have removed any realistic possibility the OP will receive additional compensation due to community pressure.

They lost at mediation (from a mediator they chose), so I highly doubt the community would be supporting them without game-protect and TMAN.
Yes the OP lost mediation. The mediator gave their logic as to why they came to the conclusion they came to, and this was largely based on FJs TOS. To my knowledge, the mediation was not binding.

If you agree with the mediators logic, you will support FJ, and if you don’t you will support the OP.

The bickering between GP and TMAN will cause others to ignore the thread and controversy.


My primary concern with this situation is that FJ was effectively able to freeroll their customers. The OP had lost a decent amount playing this game he won the jackpot before won the jackpot. The amount was greater than his initial deposit. I would question if a FJ would have invalidated the bets of the second game if he lost more than his deposit when he stopped gambling. 
2422  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: FortuneJack Casino Refuses to Pay 20 BTC Won From Jackpot! on: January 24, 2019, 12:58:57 AM
Anyone fallen into the brainwash trap from TMAN? Cheesy
From the looks of it, both you and TMAN have collectively derailed this thread and likely have removed any realistic possibility the OP will receive additional compensation due to community pressure.
2423  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evil MAGA hat kids from Covington School VS Native American on: January 23, 2019, 04:40:23 PM

There was noone hurt, noone harrassed, nothing
I think you forgot about all the calls for violence against the kids, and harassment by the hate group at the event against the kids.

Quote
I don't see how anyone could sue anyone here.
The kids likely have a case for defamation against many in the MSM along with the Phillips fellow.

 
2424  Other / Meta / Re: Merit Backscratchers: who scratched who's back the most? on: January 23, 2019, 04:24:32 PM
How did you determine who is in which column?
2425  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evil MAGA hat kids from Covington School VS Native American on: January 23, 2019, 08:14:23 AM
That has been debunked:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/22/alunmni-covington-catholic-high-school-push-back-against-medias-new-blackface-claim/
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[...]Two sources at Covington told Breitbart News that the students were not wearing “blackface” but had been participating in “blackout” sporting events several years ago, like other color-themed events for school spirit that had nothing to do with race.

[...]
There are pictures of school students participating in "whiteout" and "blueout" events in which students were in all white and blue respectively, including face/body paint.   
2426  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evil MAGA hat kids from Covington School VS Native American on: January 23, 2019, 07:41:14 AM
The kids and school have a long history of being extremely racist. 
I don't think there is any basis for this statement.
2427  Economy / Reputation / Re: [Ethical Dilemma] What would you do? on: January 23, 2019, 07:40:11 AM
There should be a "Keep partially, donate the rest (to charity)." option. I wouldn't be against someone taking a share for the work they did do, and donating the rest.
You think it is okay to steal from an alleged scammer? That doesn’t sound right.

Unless a third party can lay a claim to the money, any excess funds belongs to the person who procured the work. Even in this case, without a court order, giving money to a third party is legally dubious.

A refund should be given for work not completed, however there is an argument that a full refund should be given, depending on the terms agreeed to.

"I wouldn't be against" doesn't mean that I fully support doing it. I think it should be a poll option though, as it was the most commonly suggested option when Lutpin was escrowing the Ebitz campaign and Ebitz turned out to be a scam.
I would be strongly against doing that. As others have mentioned, stealing from a scammer is still stealing, and donating to charity doesn't change the fact that money was stolen.

I am shocked to see how little detail some of these escrow contracts for signature campaigns (and others) have. I remember seeing this escrow contract, and believing it has an appropriate amount of detail as to what all parties should expect so everyone will be on the same page depending on various outcomes and/or a dispute (this thread has a portion of the escrow contract regarding a potential dispute). Ideally, any (escrow) contract should detail what happens if work cannot be performed for any reason.

A problem with "giving the money to charity" is there is always the possibility the "scammer" will be able to later provide proof of innocence (or something to give doubt to their guilt) after the money is given away.

 A bigger problem is that you said you will do one thing, and end up doing something else.

You think it is okay to steal from an alleged scammer?

That's a big part of the ethical dilemma. When an illegal drug-distributor is caught all of the funds on-hand are seized; this is a terrible analogy for the situation, but if the community (as the authority) were largely in agreement that these funds were being used explicitly for illegitimate acts then it would seem appropriate that the funds be seized. Is that flawed reasoning?
Forfeiture laws and practices are horribly unethical, and IMO are likely to get stricken down in the fairly near future.

Also, you are incorrect as funds that can be directly tied to the crime are seized, which does not apply to the case described in the OP. Also, from what I can tell based on the description in the OP, the team in question has not actually scammed anyone yet, as it sounds like they are likely planning on scamming -- it would be appropriate to not work for this person, and to warn others of the likely scam attempt, however it does not sound like they obtained any money illicitly.

I don't think it matters who money is stolen from. Stealing is stealing no matter what.
2428  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evil MAGA hat kids from Covington School VS Native American on: January 23, 2019, 07:00:25 AM
The reaction of those in the MSM and on the left was disgusting. There were people calling for these kids to get punched in the face, doxed, harassed, and worse. The school these kids go to was closed on Tuesday because of threats of violence against the school.

What these kids were originally accused of is wrong, however none of this is an appropriate response to what they were accused of doing.


It turns out that the Indian was actually the one who instigated the incident, along with another racist, anti-white, anti-jew hate group, and the kids were actually the victims of the underlying incident. There were multiple racial epitaphs yelled at the kids.

After it came out the kids were the actual victims, many on the left doubled down and refused to admit they were wrong.
2429  Economy / Reputation / Re: [Ethical Dilemma] What would you do? on: January 22, 2019, 07:46:23 PM
There should be a "Keep partially, donate the rest (to charity)." option. I wouldn't be against someone taking a share for the work they did do, and donating the rest.
You think it is okay to steal from an alleged scammer? That doesn’t sound right.

Unless a third party can lay a claim to the money, any excess funds belongs to the person who procured the work. Even in this case, without a court order, giving money to a third party is legally dubious.

A refund should be given for work not completed, however there is an argument that a full refund should be given, depending on the terms agreeed to.
2430  Other / Meta / Re: Forum innovations in the last 12 months. on: January 22, 2019, 06:54:58 PM

- the 24hour-no-delete  rule in the Altcoin section

What is this specifically? Can you point to additional information about this?
2431  Other / Meta / Re: My account is banned on: January 22, 2019, 08:56:48 AM
Why was Dzhus banned? The posts appear to be written in Russian

Dzhus has been banned because of copy and pasting.

[...]

Well I've already found two:

I like your "4NEW's WTE PLANT PROCESS" GoodLuck sir!! and keep be STRONG!

I like your "4NEW's WTE PLANT PROCESS" GoodLuck sir!! and keep be STRONG!

This is an important project, of great importance in what is about the cryptomonedas, in this case, the tokens. There should be other projects like this and even, there are other initiatives in this regard that allow the best use of the tokens that are presented daily to the public. A great initiative that must be greatly supported

Connecty is a Great project with a good idea and a team of professionals.This is a very new project, I wish the project to be successful, of great importance in what is about the cryptomonedas, in this case, the tokens. Very promising project

[...]
The OP can go away
2432  Other / Meta / Re: My account is banned on: January 22, 2019, 08:18:24 AM
Why was Dzhus banned? The posts appear to be written in Russian
2433  Other / Meta / Re: The Russians V TMAN - peace treaty. on: January 22, 2019, 06:55:26 AM
Hi, Lauda

You are best off leaving lauda a little while, he doesn't react well to retaliatory negs.
He likes to give them though. He doesn't like criticism either.

2434  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: [11.2kW SOLAR/WIND/MAN] NastyMining Green Energy Project ☀️💨💪🔋 on: January 22, 2019, 05:30:22 AM
I’m allowed to sell excess solar energy back to the grid, but I am not allowed to sell grid energy back to the grid at higher prices that I’ve stored in the battery. What is happening now is that instead of selling excess energy back to the grid at off-peak prices, it stores it and then uses it on-peak.

Ahh, gotcha.

So if you wanted to, you could sell excess power at off-peak prices, but you are storing excess electricity in the battery, and using it during times at which peak prices are charged in order to avoid paying peak prices.
2435  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Direct Seller 10-50 BTC on: January 22, 2019, 02:00:46 AM
Direct to seller for small deals of 2000 -3000 bitcoin 
4% gross /1% net , buyer pays for escrow fee 1.5%  seller side closed for fees 0.75%, buyer side open 0.75% for fees
We will consider selling small purchases of 10-50 BTC ,however there will be no discount  selling price based on current blockchain price  however we will add +3% to current market price to cover seller side 0.75 and buyer side 0.75 fees and also the escrow attorney fee 1.5%
Bitcoin Seller Procedures for customers buying Bitcoins
1. The buyer must open a new wallet with SELLER'S sources and provide
the login information to the seller (such as email address and
password)

2.Seller will transfer bitcoins to the new wallet and private key will be
issued by blockchain to complete the transaction.

3.Buyer will confirm the bitcoins and send the payment to the seller's
nominated escrow attorney bank account and change the login password for security
purposes

4.Upon confirmation of the payment, seller will release the private
key to the buyer to complete the transaction

5.Buyer will  move the Bitcoins to another wallet for safe keeping.

Regards,
John Greg   email : telegram: @john_greg553   alcyone553@gmail.com

There is no reason to be exchanging private keys for any transaction of any size. There is no reason to be providing credentials to exchange accounts.

Also the "blockchain" does not have prices, and the "blockchain" does not "provide" private keys.

It sounds like the OP is a scammer who does not even understand how "blockchain" works :Cheesy
2436  Economy / Reputation / Re: A boycott of replies to the recent extensive trolling by cryptohunter on: January 22, 2019, 01:39:39 AM
I am on the fence if he even agrees with the positions he takes. It is possible he (and a few others) are going to extreme lengths to criticize certain people, so that legit criticism of these people are assumed to be trolling and are ignored.
Even if there's legitimate criticism somewhere in all of his rambling, he's made his point many times over and at this point everything he's writing is just trolling.  If the community thought he had valid points, he'd have garnered some support but that doesn't seem to be happening--and he just doesn't grasp that. 
He goes to extremes to voice his points, and that turns people off from wanting to support him.

It is my opinion that the negative ratings others have given him are inappropriate for a number of reasons. First of all, he does not appear to trade with anyone, so leaving the negative ratings will not actually warn anyone against doing business with him. Secondly, the negative ratings only give him more to complain about. Lastly, I don't think him trolling is an indication that he is a scammer.
Negative trust isn't just given to scammers, and you know that.  If Theymos thinks members ought to leave negs ONLY for people scamming or suspected of scamming, then he would make a rule requiring that.  As far as CH is concerned, he's spreading lies and breaking rules and other DT members are fed up with it.  I don't blame them for giving him a neg.
Theymos has said what a negative rating is for:
Quote from: theymos via trust page
Negative - You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.
I know you believe this should be updated, but it has not been updated. Perhaps I will create a new thread for this elsewhere, as I do feel strongly about this.

However if I were to concede that negative ratings can be given for reasons other than "someone is a scammer, or strongly believe someone is a scammer", then I would ask what purpose the negative rating to CH gives? From what I can tell, the negatives do not affect him in any way. I see little purpose in giving the ratings against CH beyond stroking the ego of those who gave the negatives.

Again the harm in the negative ratings is that CH can now complain (and troll) about one more issue.

My prediction is he will eventually get banned for trolling<snip>
That would be nice.  He's one of the worst trolls I've seen since I've been a member here, and not because of his attacks against me.  It's because of his constant derailing of threads, repetition of the same nonsense over and over, and his obvious use of alt accounts to give the illusion that someone agrees with him (Chosen Username is the first one that comes to mind, but there may be others).  It's time for him to go.
It will take some time because the forum does not take excluding people from the community lightly.

One of my favorite trolls was WoodCollector (I believe this was from before your time here, unless you browsed before creating an account). Unlike CH, he actually tried trading around here, but when he was caught being a scammer, he turned into a troll. Here are some WC threads for your reading pleasure:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=930649.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=933888.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=864472.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=931472.0;all
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=935115.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=932131.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=931109.0

I think the above links are in a good order. I gave him the benefit of the doubt for a decent amount of time, but eventually the facts came out that cemented him as a scammer.
2437  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: [11.2kW SOLAR/WIND/MAN] NastyMining Green Energy Project ☀️💨💪🔋 on: January 22, 2019, 01:00:22 AM
It seems to be reducing the on-peak usage and leveling out power usage spikes, but it appears to only arbitrage energy generated with solar power. I don’t think they’re yet allowing the discharge of energy to the grid that was charged using off-peak grid energy.

Does this mean you are not being allowed to sell excess electricity back to the electric company?

It was my impression (based on newspaper reports) that power companies were required to buy back excess electric production via solar (and other "green" methods) in your part of the country.
2438  Economy / Reputation / Re: A boycott of replies to the recent extensive trolling by cryptohunter on: January 22, 2019, 12:57:24 AM
I am not familiar with him, but once you are certain someone is a troll, it is probably best to simply ignore him.
<snip>
You can make your point and show your logic, however at a point this becomes futile.
I'm surprised you've missed all the commotion cryptohunter has created, but take a look at his post history and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. 
I have seen more of his posts, and believe he is most probably a troll.

I am on the fence if he even agrees with the positions he takes. It is possible he (and a few others) are going to extreme lengths to criticize certain people, so that legit criticism of these people are assumed to be trolling and are ignored.

It is my opinion that the negative ratings others have given him are inappropriate for a number of reasons. First of all, he does not appear to trade with anyone, so leaving the negative ratings will not actually warn anyone against doing business with him. Secondly, the negative ratings only give him more to complain about. Lastly, I don't think him trolling is an indication that he is a scammer.

My prediction is he will eventually get banned for trolling, and he will try to appeal that ban, and eventually his appeal account will get banned for trolling.



2439  Economy / Reputation / Re: User Vod abusing DT position (petty red-rating with provable lies as a reason) on: January 22, 2019, 12:34:28 AM
I find it interesting that Anduck has received multiple ratings for what was effectively backing out of his auction a single time, yet when Minerjones backs out of six of his auctions, he maintains an unblemished trust rating.

It remains my opinion that Anduck should compensate the winner of his auction (or agree to sell the coin on terms similar to his auction), however I also believe there should be consistency in giving out these types of ratings. 
2440  Other / Meta / Re: Signature advertisers: suggestions? on: January 21, 2019, 11:06:29 PM
Would it be a difficult task to enforce a rule that users advertising for banned advertisers are given a few days to remove their signature before being suspended/banned?
Would it be difficult to enforce?

From a technical standpoint, no. It would be very easy.

From a fairness standpoint, yes. There could be some people who are advertising a company outside of the signature campaign, for example because they have an ownership stake in the company, or work for the company in a role that benefits when the company has increased sales/volume.

Even if this rule were to be enforced, campaigns could be managed entirely outside of the forum, which would make it difficult to rule out someone using a bunch of accounts to wear a particular signature, and post a bunch of garbage, making it look like the campaign has a lot of people enrolled making lots of shit posts, when in reality, these people have nothing to do with the campaign.

I don't think theymos wants to be involved in giving licenses to get to perform a job.

I meant more along the lines of a community-enforcement; similar to the direction DT is taking.
That is still a de-facto license. I also have a feeling changes will eventually be made to the DT system moving it in the opposite direction from where it has recently gone.
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