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2421  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold prices extend rally, surge by most in 11 years on: March 24, 2020, 11:45:39 PM
I wonder if this thread from 2019 will become relevent in hindsight:

Central Bank: If The Entire System Collapses, Gold Will Be Needed To Start Over

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5193372.msg52775202#msg52775202


As mentioned, these bailouts and stimulus programs are funded through expansion of the monetary supply. The trend will inflate and weaken fiat currency as deficits rise.

Institutions like the federal reserve not being transparent or audited, it will remain a conspiracy theory whether these bailouts helped the US economy, foreign economies or even china. There was a day a few weeks back when china's stock market was +1 point while markets of other nations were negative by significant margins. Which could indicate at least some of federal reserve bailouts are being directed to prop up china's failing economy.
2422  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoiners' Novel Approach to Find Cure for COVID-19: Biohacking on: March 22, 2020, 07:34:09 PM
chinese corona virus
only politicians with a propaganda add the name of a country to the name of this virus Wink


There is more than one type of corona virus. To ensure people know which I'm referring to, chinese corona virus makes sense. The name alone reminds us of its origins. Names like COVID-19 provide no useful information and are an inferior naming convention as far as I'm concerned.

Calling it COVID-19 is like eliminating the term hungarian notation in software engineering (as apparently that could be "racist"?) and instead calling it XWIN123456789 notation. I would prefer the term hungarian notation due to its history, being a better and more informative term.

Good ideas, money and practices push out bad ideas, money and practices. Chinese corona virus makes sense.



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Corona is being treated with anti HIV medication. If its biology is identical enough to HIV to respond to HIV drugs. We may not be able to develop a vaccine against it. For the same reasons we have no vaccine for HIV.
it is not being "treated", it was only an experiment that has already failed to produce any positive results.
the reason for the experiment was that both viruses use the same enzyme.


Many doctors are describing chinese corona as a "cross between SARS and HIV". Almost as if someone with CRISPR technology melded both to create a hybrid virus. These aren't my words. This is the information I got from reading many news articles on the topic.


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There claims corona is mutating with 2nd strains
there is no evidence for this.


There are many news stories claiming this.

How did you come to the conclusion there is "no evidence" for it, if you haven't bothered using a search engine to look for evidence?


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The mortality percentage of corona is extremely high. Its credited with being fatal to between 1% and 5% of those it infects. By contrast H1N1 had a mortality rate of between 0.01% and 0.1%. The first wave of spanish flu also had a very low mortality. The exceedingly high mortality rate of corona is unusual and there are deductions which could be drawn from this which indicate a vaccine will be ineffective.
3% is not considered "extremely" high. it is high. an extremely high mortality rate is 50% which Ebola had 4 years ago.
and it is not a fair comparison to only compare mortality rate.
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-deadly-is-the-coronavirus-compared-to-past-outbreaks


Naturally occurring viral infections generally begin with low mortality rates. As with the first wave of spanish flu. Sometimes, they better adapt to human biology and we see the mortality rate rise over time.

Weaponized bioweapons are different. They're engineered out of the box with noticeably greater mortality rates. The high mortality rate of chinese corona and recent ebola, where both are extremely well adapted to infect and kill humans. Could indicate they both are military products of a bioweapons division.


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It simultaneously attacks the immune system like HIV
as far as i know this is false.
people with weaker immune systems are more vulnerable to this virus as they are to any other diseases.
in fact this is one of the reasons why this virus spreads like crazy, because there are many infected people without any symptoms with stronger immune systems that spread it without being ill themselves.


Like HIV, chinese corona isn't what kills people. Corona weakens their immune system similar to HIV. Then people die from pneumonia and other conditions. That's what the news is reporting anyway.

Are you chinese or currently in china? Maybe chinese news is saying something different.


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That is definitely improper to attach a country or a race or whatever to a virus, bacteria, disease, and so on. But what surprises me is that the likes of African Swine Fever (ASF), German measles, and so on are still being used officially until now but are not renamed nor perceived to be an affront to the places used. You have also mentioned Ebola which is basically taken from Ebola River in what used to be called Zaire where the outbreak also originated.


There is a movement in the world to destroy historical statues and landmarks to encourage people to forget history. To make it easier for ruling elites to revise history in whatever image they choose.

Ruling elites prefer COVID-19 to chinese corona virus.

Because it gives them wiggle room to invent whatever story they desire around the origins and reality of it.

COVID-19 is easier for people and history books to forget its origins. That's the only reason that terminology is pushed.
2423  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoiners' Novel Approach to Find Cure for COVID-19: Biohacking on: March 21, 2020, 11:47:55 PM
Is this endeavor worth your donation? Is this kind of initiative which is too delicate even worth supporting?


FDA regulation heavily favors big business. Their filing fee for applications alone is more than $1 million dollars. America is notorious for medical research being nearly 2x more expensive in contrast to identical research being conducted in foreign countries. This is one reason why stem cell research, cloning and other medical science is normally conducted outside america's borders.

In terms of developing a vaccine to immunize the public against chinese corona virus. It could be 100% impossible. We may be able to prove this via basic science deduction.

Reasons a corona virus vaccine might be impossible via current medical science

  • Corona is being treated with anti HIV medication. If its biology is identical enough to HIV to respond to HIV drugs. We may not be able to develop a vaccine against it. For the same reasons we have no vaccine for HIV.
  • There claims corona is mutating with 2nd strains of it being identified. A single vaccine will not be effective if there are multiple strains.
  • The mortality percentage of corona is extremely high. Its credited with being fatal to between 1% and 5% of those it infects. By contrast H1N1 had a mortality rate of between 0.01% and 0.1%. The first wave of spanish flu also had a very low mortality. The exceedingly high mortality rate of corona is unusual and there are deductions which could be drawn from this which indicate a vaccine will be ineffective.
  • Corona has been described by doctors as a cross between SARS and HIV. It simultaneously attacks the immune system like HIV and the lungs like SARS. There are things which may be deduced from this, in terms of how a virus like this could arise naturally. Which could indicate a vaccine against it will be extremely difficult if not impossible.

Based on this discussion on ACE inhibitors and related topics:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22500063

Other avenues of corona treatment could yield better results than a vaccine. But I don't know enough to say whether or not this is certain.

There could also be value in natural foods and plants which carry anti viral effects for treating corona. Google: "foods with anti viral properties". You might be surprised at some of the results.
2424  Economy / Economics / Re: I think I Found The Reason For Bitcoin's Latest Crash on: March 21, 2020, 11:20:26 PM
I don’t know for sure, and I don’t really think you’re right. If you check your first picture the price of Bitcoin was already going down before the date you marked; it reached the peak around July and then started to fluctuate downwards before reaching the date you marked.



The declines and peaks are correlated with the publication of other news stories. Winklevoss ETF proposals being rejected by the SEC resulted in price declines. News stories claiming tether market manipulation: price decline. With spikes in BTC value sometimes occurring when positive news relating to bitcoin are published.

There is a strange trend in crypto markets where positive news stories are often ignored. while negative stories relating to vaporware quantum computer developments with no proof of concept carry an exaggerated influence on markets. The same precedent could apply to US stocks where markets continued to trend upwards for nearly a week after news first arose of severe production showdowns in china.

Buying, selling and trading aren't reflecting fundamental market mechanis. The way classic analysis says it should.
2425  Economy / Economics / Re: Coronavirus is very harmful to fiat currencies, not bitcoin on: March 19, 2020, 11:54:57 PM
I agree bitcoin should not be as heavily influenced by corona as more traditional markets, financial institutions and economies. Unfortunately, natural market mechanics are far from being the only forces influencing crypto valuation in this day and age. In modern times, we have witnessed central banks influence stock markets through Quantitative Easing. It has become status quo for the federal reserve to routinely expand its balance sheet by $400 billion dollars to inject liquidity into stock markets.

That massive and overwhelming volume to buy and sell. To epically create demand or reduce it. It is the ultimate power to influence markets. To raise them up. Or to crash them through the floor. The implications of this are not widely understood or advertised. But they do exist. And perhaps we can surmise similar events are transpiring in the crypto world as well. In terms of federal reserve or central bank liquidity being utilized to influence valuation of markets.

2426  Economy / Economics / Re: The Corona Pandemic economic guessing game on: March 19, 2020, 11:46:24 PM
Which country's government will be the most affected by the COVID-19 global pandemic, and be the first to go bankrupt, and default?


Sadly enough, I would guess greece. Due to their cultural trend of tax evasion coupled with big government spending producing not much in tangible benefits for their society. They seem to have also been bailed out the most. The European Union would also appear ill prepared to cope with global pandemics due to their insistence on open borders. And prioritizing the needs of illegal immigrants above their own native demographics.

I can't remember whether the united states or european union carried a larger deficit in proportion to GDP. Its so difficult to find an accurate statistic for exactly how many trillions of euros the EU is in debt. I don't think anyone knows the answer.
2427  Economy / Economics / Re: a disease or a virus or is there business in it? on: March 19, 2020, 11:40:35 PM
Is there any chance that when the corona virus appears, some scientists have discovered the antidote of the virus itself so that there is an element of intention regarding the spread of the corona virus because there is a business element in it so that the antidote for the corona virus is sought after by many people, this is like a film about spreading viruses that can kill and destroy the economy globally. what do you think about this?



It was rumored anti virus software devs wrote PC malware and propagated it into the wild to encourage consumers to buy their A/V product which could remove it. Some computer viruses were harmless and written with the moral intent of forcing vendors to close security vulnerabilities which they ignored for a long time. We have precedents for these business practices.

I do not think the corona virus was developed or distributed with profiteering intent.

Corona is being treated with anti HIV medication. If its similar to HIV in biology, to be treated with the same drugs. I would guess we will never have a vaccine or cure for it, until we have a vaccine for HIV.
2428  Economy / Economics / Re: Sans monetary stimulus and injections, how do you respond to an economic crisis? on: March 19, 2020, 10:48:14 PM
It boils down to basic problem solving.

  • People have difficulty self isolating due to food and shopping limitations, needing to work to pay their bills
  • Businesses are forced to shut down temporarily to prevent the pandemic from spreading making it difficult for them to pay liabilities: taxes/bills/wages

This being a bitcoin forum let's try to envision a decentralized, open source, approach.

Crowdsourced Solutions
The state could offer cash prizes in exchange for crowdsourced solutions to address corona virus. Most of the knowledge and expertise surrounding the containment of pandemics was developed decades ago. It is possible new and better methods could be found. An open forum approach could also contribute towards information being better distributed and people becoming better educated and prepared on how to cope with such issues in the future.

Decentralized Empowering of Communities Rather Than Monolithic Big Government
Communities and regions are different in terms of disposition and needs. Big government soutions tend to be one size fits all. Rather than the state simply throwing money at issues as if our status quo. It might be better to empower individual communities to become more self reliant and independent in terms of electricity, transportation, food and other necessities.
2429  Economy / Economics / Re: I think I Found The Reason For Bitcoin's Latest Crash on: March 18, 2020, 11:52:19 PM
I edited OP to better illustrate evidence for claims.

 Smiley

I wonder what sort of equipment you'd use to check there isn't a magnetic field thst wouldn't itself create aagnetic field 😲...

Good question. Maybe one of the reasons the news story hasn't been widely circulated is it will fail to hold up under scrutiny if subject to peer review. That's what I would expect although I can't claim to have the physics background to put everything into perspective the way it should.

I do think the nsa should hurry up on that front, or maybe someone like semantec and cloud flare could bother to make a partnership of a secure signature algorithm...

This is an example of why encryption algorithms developed by intelligence agencies should NEVER be utilized if security is the goal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-security/cia-crypto-encryption-machines-espionage/

I think general uncertainty on the markets due to a certain pandemic is more likely to blame than anything quantum related.

You know what also happened during the day of the big red spike? The US closing their borders to Europe.

It has been said russia and singapore are having success keeping the virus contained. Thanks to their closed border policy. If that is true, shouldn't bitcoin's price have risen after the united states closed their borders as well. As we are now seeing canada and other nations follow suit in limiting travel and closing borders.

this is the conclusion of the article:

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“This landmark result will open up a treasure trove of discoveries and applications,” says Professor Morello. “The system we created has enough complexity to study how the classical world we experience every day emerges from the quantum realm. Moreover, we can use its quantum complexity to build sensors of electromagnetic fields with vastly improved sensitivity. And all this, in a simple electronic device made in silicon, controlled with small voltages applied to a metal electrode.”

what does this mean in terms of qubit processing? what real applications does this have? does this actually represent a threat to bitcoin and other encrypted protocols?

Quantum computing is no nearer to progressing from a vaporware pipe dream to reality, in my opinion. I think these news stories are simply a method of helping to conceal anti bitcoin market manipulation being orchestrated by banking cartels and their associates.

One core foundation of crypto could be the encryption standards upon which it is built. It loosely follows that developments which threaten that core foundation might have negative effects on bitcoin price. But I think everyone knows that shouldn't naturally happen to such a significant degree without a better proof of concept.

Market manipulation is my best guess. Although I can't claim to have hard evidence.
2430  Economy / Economics / Re: Oil price War will Bring real War soon in Middle east on: March 18, 2020, 02:55:43 AM
Attempts to branch out into tourism and real estate in dubai reflect the middle east's desire to diversify its holdings and wealth away from oil. This offers hope for middle eastern economies not being one dimensional or reliant purely upon crude to sustain themselves. Middle eastern armies with the exception of perhaps israel are not well trained or prepared to wage war against each other. Some like iran are so poorly trained and prepared they cannot launch missiles without unfortunately shooting down their own passenger jets.

War in the middle east due to declining oil prices doesn't appear to be a good prospect. There are political divides which could ignite under the right circumstances. Although I think its unlikely that will happen soon due to declining price of oil. Which are fueled primarily by declines in global transportation, shipping and trade.
2431  Economy / Economics / I think I Found The Reason For Bitcoin's Latest Crash on: March 18, 2020, 02:05:43 AM
EDIT:

Recap on BTC price history.

A news story claiming quantum breakthrough was published on september 20th, 2019: https://www.ft.com/content/b9bb4e54-dbc1-11e9-8f9b-77216ebe1f17

The coinciding decline in BTC price:



A news story claiming quantum breakthrough was published on march 11th, 2020:  https://phys.org/news/2020-03-year-old-puzzle-quantum-breakthrough.html

The coinciding drop:




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Engineers crack 58-year-old puzzle on way to quantum breakthrough



12 MAR 2020

A mishap during an experiment led UNSW quantum computing researchers to crack a mystery that had stood since 1961.

A happy accident in the laboratory has led to a breakthrough discovery that not only solved a problem that stood for more than half a century, but has major implications for the development of quantum computers and sensors.

In a study published today in Nature, a team of engineers at UNSW Sydney has done what a celebrated scientist first suggested in 1961 was possible, but has eluded everyone since: controlling the nucleus of a single atom using only electric fields.

“This discovery means that we now have a pathway to build quantum computers using single-atom spins without the need for any oscillating magnetic field for their operation,” says UNSW’s Scientia Professor of Quantum Engineering Andrea Morello. “Moreover, we can use these nuclei as exquisitely precise sensors of electric and magnetic fields, or to answer fundamental questions in quantum science.”

https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/science-tech/engineers-crack-58-year-old-puzzle-way-quantum-breakthrough


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This news story was published on march 12th 2020. (march 11th** see edit below) The day of our latest downtrend spike. The value of bitcoin declines whenever a "quantum computer breakthrough" news story is published. Anyone that cares to put this to the test can lookup the publishing date of any recent news story announcing a "breakthrough" in quantum computers. There will be a correlation with a decline in BTC price. The theory behind it being quantum computer breakthroughs carrying a potential to defeat the encryption standards technologies like bitcoin are built upon.

That said I suspect scientific claims published in this article to later be discredited and proven false in the future. A normal and typical trend for a high percentage of questionable breakthroughs published in science journals today. The results of which often cannot be reproduced.

This amounts to nothing more than market manipulation and smokescreens imo.


EDIT:  CORRECTION.

The first publishing of this story was on march 11th, 2020 here:  https://phys.org/news/2020-03-year-old-puzzle-quantum-breakthrough.html
2432  Economy / Economics / Re: Best Overview Of Corona Virus Impact on Finance and the Economy I've Seen So Far on: March 17, 2020, 11:59:48 PM
In the present, China is now successful in fighting the virus and they are already recovering from it that infected a lot of people. Hence, this might be the end of the idea that mass adoption of Crypto currency is occurring as countries quarantining fiats. Well, even before, the price of Bitcoin is still on the dump even with fiats being burned to avoid infections when it is being used.

We could say that: even with no direct relation the Corona virus, it still affected the standing of Bitcoin as the massive dump occurred but, I hope it will gradually recover as the virus will be cured in the future.


I am not convinced china is successfully fighting the virus better than anyone else in the world as they claim. A case could be made for both singapore and russia being far more successful than china in regard to stemming the tide of infection. Economic issues relating to the pandemic revolve around a large percentage of global supply chains being heavily centralized within china's borders. Slowdown in china leads to a chain reaction where factories all over the world, lack raw materials and parts they rely upon china to produce.

Everyone will know china has successfully contained its contagion when supply lines begin to churn out steady production. Until then, I think its premature to assume china has its issue contained. Don't forget china has resorted to constructing entire ghost cities which could house more than 1 billion people in an effort to artificially prop up its GDP statistics. Misinformation and outright lies are a large part of china's standard policy.
2433  Economy / Economics / Re: $900K worth of counterfeit U.S. currency seized on: March 17, 2020, 11:49:45 PM
This news story and thread could be more relevent now within the grand scheme of things. Thanks to the federal reserve greatly expanding its balancesheet. Which will in turn generate inflation. All of which could contribute towards the american economy being more vulnerable to an attack from counterfeit bills due to the weakening and stressing of its fiat currency.

We have pieces to a puzzle. How they may be assembled to make a picture is a question. Maybe it means something or nothing. We'll probably never know. Perhaps 100+ years in the future the truth will emerge. Similar to the Great Depression where the federal reserve refused to acknowledge they had caused it until nearly a century had passed.
2434  Economy / Economics / Coinbase's Chief Legal Officer Resigns To Oversee US National Banking System on: March 17, 2020, 10:54:29 PM
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Amid an ongoing global health and financial crisis, Coinbase, one of the most popular cryptocurrency trading platforms in the United States, is losing another key executive.

Brian Brooks, Coinbase’s chief legal officer will resign from the company to join the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC), an independent banking regulator operating under the U.S. Department of the Treasury, the OCC announced on March 16.

Famous crypto skeptic Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin appointed Brooks
According to the official announcement, Brooks has been designated as first deputy comptroller — the agency’s second-highest position — by Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin. Brooks will also serve as the OCC’s chief operating officer effective April 1, the announcement reads.

A known sceptic of cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin (BTC), Mnuchin outlined Brooks as a “strong leader with extensive experience in the financial services sector,” adding that he is excited to work together to foster the financial system and greater economic growth.

Coinbase is proud that their crypto-friendly legal officer will join the authority
Coinbase said in an email to Cointelegraph that the company is pleased to know that their legal officer is joining the OCC to oversee the nation’s banking system, noting that Brooks will definitely bring a more friendly stance to crypto with him. Brooks has been leading Coinbase’s legal, compliance, government relations and global investigations groups since September 2018.

Outlining Brooks as “invaluable in shaping the Coinbase legal and compliance programs,” a spokesperson at Coinbase said:

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“In the midst of a public health and financial crisis, we are comforted to know that Brian Brooks will serve in this critical role overseeing the nation’s banking system [...] We’re always proud of Coinbase alumni who go on to serve in government, bringing a crypto-friendly perspective with them.”

Apart from his departure from Coinbase, Brooks will also step down from the boards of directors of the Federal National Mortgage Association — commonly known as Fannie Mae — and marketplace lender Avant. Prior to joining Coinbase in 2018, Brooks also served as founding advisor at decentralized fintech project Spring Labs, member of the compliance and information security committee at Avant and executive vice president and general counsel at Fannie Mae.

In early March, Treasury Secretary Mnuchin said that the U.S. welcomes responsible digital innovation, still emphasizing that the agency is focused on preventing illicit uses of crypto like money laundering and terrorist financing. Reiterating his skepticism of the industry, Mnuchin said that the U.S. “will not tolerate the use of cryptocurrencies in support of illicit activities.”



https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbases-chief-legal-officer-resigns-to-oversee-us-national-banking-system


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These stories are very common in banking and finance. The typical question of past eras was whether this constitutes a conflict of interest which should be banned or penalized by regulatory agencies. Today this question is seldom posed as the public has come to view revolving doors bridging governments and the corporate sector as: normalized.

I'm not a big fan of coinbase or of the centralized nature of US crypto markets. It would be preferable to have a wide range of exchanges to select from in order to give consumers better options via free markets. The centralized format of coinbase operating similar to a quasi monopoly trends towards inviting exploitive and predatory business practices that could give those new to cryptocurrencies a negative experience which fails to represent the best crypto has to offer.

So. What do people think about this. Is it surprising to see close connections revealed between banks and coinbase. Or is this what we expected would be revealed from the beginning.
2435  Economy / Economics / Re: Best Overview Of Corona Virus Impact on Finance and the Economy I've Seen So Far on: March 13, 2020, 11:19:21 PM
I have also heard of people getting the virus from unknown sources. I guess the virus is much more widespread than it is being portrayed.


It was said the virus can survive for 3 days on surfaces. Overnight or 2nd day air freight could be potential paths of infection. It could be difficult to stem the tide of pandemic in a world where we've become very reliant upon global commerce and trade. Shipping lanes alone could spread the virus to every corner of the earth.


I can understand why stocks and commodity prices are dropping, because companies are closing and production are going down, but why should this virus have such a huge influence on the Bitcoin price?
Are you sure about that? To me it seems that cryptocurrencies are acting exactly like stocks and are treated the same by people. People are selling all investmenst and turning it all into money because they think they might need money in case of emergency.


I think its 100% market manipulation that both US stocks and bitcoin are crashing the way they are.

There is perhaps evidence for it.

Not certain if I should comment. No doubt many people know what happened. But I don't see anyone discussing it. And so I won't mention it, either. Unless someone asks.

On a superficial level, an observer might take note of how US stocks continued to edge higher even as news of corona virus in china broke. Almost as if the goal were to deliberately overvalue US stocks in order to drop the market from a greater height with the end goal of creating a more spectacular crash and more demoralized bear market in the aftermath.

There aren't many parties in the world with the raw liquidity and capital necessary to orchestrate the type of market manipulation we see in the crash and in some bitcoin crashes as well. I think people may eventually figure it out. Even if they do not know the answer today.
2436  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic situation 2020 explaned. on: March 12, 2020, 09:41:06 PM
If anyone wants an explanation.

Read this:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-fed-caused-93--of-the-entire-stock-market-s-move-since-2008--analysis-194426366.html

The majority of market action is predetermined by central banks like the federal reserve. Knowing this it may become easier to consider to what degree high volatility price swings in US stocks and cryptocurrency markets are attributable to the fed's influence.

There is also this:

https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/01/feds-balance-sheet-explodes-by-413-billion-in-119-days/

Put the two together and think of the federal reserve's recent history and policy. Keep in mind that banks have been actively trading, buying and selling cryptocurrencies like bitcoin for years.

Now tell me. What do you think happened?
2437  Economy / Economics / Re: Best Overview Of Corona Virus Impact on Finance and the Economy I've Seen So Far on: March 12, 2020, 08:40:52 PM
Yeah,but China is recovering from the virus.



I don't believe china, south korea or any nation practicing open borders is recovering as they claim. Russia with its closed border is doing ok. With open borders nations, its difficult to believe reactionary methods alone such as testing can produce tangible positive effects. For a different perspective, sources claiming china is faking its corona virus recovery:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8086057/Chinese-business-leaders-leave-lights-work-fake-countrys-recovery-coronavirus.html

https://news.yahoo.com/chinas-coronavirus-recovery-fake-whistleblowers-191300391.html


if researchers still haven't found a vaccine for this virus


Its been said corona virus is being treated with anti HIV/AIDs medication.

If its similar enough to AIDs in structure and biology that it can be successfully treated with the same medication. I wonder if it might be a exaggeration to say there never will be an effective vaccine for corona. For the same reasons we have no vaccine for AIDs/HIV.


Seriously? Are you based in Italy? I don't think one is easily infected for as long as he/she is observing proper hygiene, maintains strong immune system, and does social distancing. Wearing mask and avoiding the crowd would also help a lot.



If the virus is as contagious as advertised. I expect to get it eventually due to how much higher population density is in 2020 in contrast to say the spanish flu in the early 1900s. Similar reasons also factor in. Isolationism appears to be the best policy. In many ways, we're less equipped to utilize this strategy. In comparison to those in the early 1900s who were far more prone towards being self sufficient living in independent farms and communities.


It could literally be years before life returns to some semblance of normality.
It won't take years for life to return to normal, but the virus will likely be around for years to come. There are some models which predict a second wave in the winter (northern hemisphere) months, which will be worse than the first wave which is already underway or hitting in the next few weeks, depending on where you live. There is also the possibility that this virus enters the pool of normal human virus along with things like rhinovirus, influenza, and other less serious coronaviruses, and is something which we have to deal with at low levels for ever.


I was reading Steve Wozniak of apple fame's twitter page.

https://twitter.com/stevewoz

He seems to indicate he currently has corona in march 2020. And that he had it in january 2020. I hope he never gets it again. In terms of worst case scenarios, it seems possible to contract the virus every other month for who knows how long.


Unless it mutates to a point where it no longer infects people before I come across it.
That's not how mutations work. The virus isn't a single entity. If one case somewhere mutated to infect a different species (for example), there are still over a hundred thousand cases around the world still infecting humans.


I read a news story claiming a 2nd strain of corona virus was found, indicating it was mutating. The way I see it, there are two main possibilities for explaining why plagues and epidemics come to an end. The first possibility is substantial improvement in the treatment or prevention of infection. The second is the virus mutating to a point where its no longer as infectious.

With global pandemics like the spanish flu, I don't think there was a substantial improvement in treatment or prevention of infection at the tail end of it. Which could indicate the virus simply mutated into a benign or less infectious form.

2438  Economy / Economics / Best Overview Of Corona Virus Impact on Finance and the Economy I've Seen So Far on: March 11, 2020, 04:34:02 PM

From the GoldSilver youtube channel featuring Mike Maloney and guest Chris Martenson.

Part 1 CoronaVirus: Devastating Economic Consequences To Come:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIeHqjC_wsg

Part 2 Could Coronavirus Trigger the Monetary Reset?:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSNK4MlHqwA

Part 3 Coronavirus Update: IT'S NOT THE FLU!:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6COVaMgHAd0


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The main issue with corona virus in terms of finance/economics is a massive proportion of global production and supply chains being heavily centralized within china, the epicenter of the disaster. There have been calls to decentralize and rely on china less for global productive capacity to prevent similar incidents in the future. I wouldn't expect a full recovery until after we pass peak crisis. That would appear to be a long way off.

The virus itself remains an unknown variable. It has been described as a cross between SARS and AIDs/HIV due to it attacking lungs and immune system in a similar fashion to both illnesses. The problem with global pandemics is it only takes a single person to infect 9 billion people. It is similar to a zombie apocalypse where a single infected can go on to infect another. Then those two zombies can infect two more. It can theoretically attain exponential growth: 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024 and on and on.

From the spanish flu we know these infections can come in waves spanning years. It could literally be years before life returns to some semblance of normality.

I'm not kidding myself. I 100% expect to have the virus at some point. Unless it mutates to a point where it no longer infects people before I come across it. Which doesn't appear likely looking at how things are going in italy and nations nearer to the epicenter in china.

Thankfully it won't affect cryptocurrency as much as it may other traditional financial institutions like banks. Some countries are burning their cash for fear of currency being contaminated with the virus. Banks may be forced to close as workers become sick. Hopefully crypto mining is automated enough along with vendors and retailers in the crypto industry for crypto to not be as affected.
2439  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / The Robber Bank: Can America ever rid itself of Wells Fargo? on: March 11, 2020, 02:18:51 PM
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Wells Fargo “collected millions of dollars in fees and interest to which [it] was not entitled, harmed the credit ratings of certain customers, and unlawfully misused customers’ sensitive personal information,” according to the Justice Department, which announced on Feb. 21 that the banking company has agreed to pay an additional $3 billion to settle potential charges stemming from its unauthorized creation of several million customer accounts between 2002–16. Fees and penalties in relation to this scam alone had already totaled more than half a billion dollars.

Good news, right? That looks like accountability, and $3 billion is a lot of dough. But that $3 billion represents only a small part of the bank’s takings from just this one scam—customer money to which, by its own admission, it “was not entitled.” From that perspective, the DOJ basically caught a gang of thieves and let them scoot right back to their den with most of the loot. Worse still, criminal prosecutions—for a bank that openly admits it stole money from its own customers—are off the table for now: “The criminal investigation into false bank records and identity theft is being resolved with a deferred prosecution agreement in which Wells Fargo will not be prosecuted during the three-year term of the agreement.”

Sen. Elizabeth Warren, whose incisive and relentless questioning led to the resignations of not one but two Wells Fargo CEOs in connection with the scam, was not impressed with the announcement.

“The Justice Dept & SEC’s settlement with Wells Fargo barely puts a dent in the bank’s $12 billion profits from the fake accounts scam,” she tweeted. “When big banks can break the law, pay a fine, consider it the cost of doing business, & go back to life as normal, nothing changes. Nothing.

“I got [former CEO John] Stumpf fired,” she concluded, “but he’s probably popping champagne tonight.”

It’s hard to believe that so much thieving has gone unpunished and unchecked for so long.
Warren has been fighting Wells Fargo’s misdeeds for more than a decade, as she reminded Nevadans at the Democratic primary debate on Feb. 19, harking back to a 2008 meeting with Las Vegans who’d lost their houses in the mortgage crisis.

“When Mayor Bloomberg was busy blaming African Americans and Latinos for the housing crash of 2008, I was right here in Las Vegas, literally just a few blocks down the street, holding hearings on the banks that were taking away homes from millions of families,” she said. “That’s when I met Mr. Estrada, one of your neighbors. … He thought he’d done everything right with Wells Fargo, but what happened? They took away his house in a matter of weeks.”

Wells Fargo paid $5.35 billion as its part of a five-bank, $26 billion settlement to provide relief to American homeowners harmed in the mortgage crisis. According to the New York Times, Mr. Estrada and 750,000 people like him would be compensated for the loss of their homes with checks for $2,000.

This struggle for accountability is not over. The New York Times reported Wednesday that the U.S. House of Representatives Financial Services Committee will hold hearings next week on the failure of Wells Fargo to comply with its existing regulatory settlements. [Update, March 9, 2020, at 8:20 a.m.: Wells Fargo announced Monday morning that its board chair, Elizabeth Duke, and another board member, James Quigley, had resigned from the company.]

It’s hard to believe that so much thieving has gone unpunished and unchecked for so long. But Wells Fargo has powerful and respected champions who have steadily turned a blind eye to criminal activity, perhaps because they have made a lot of money from it.

One of the bank’s chief champions is legendary investor Warren Buffett, whose conglomerate, Berkshire Hathaway, is Wells Fargo’s largest shareholder. The highlight of the annual Berkshire Hathaway shareholders’ meeting in Omaha, Nebraska, comes when Buffett and his vice chairman, Charlie Munger, take questions from their adoring fans, tens of thousands of whom attend the event each year.

The questions tend to be friendly, but at the most recent shareholders’ meeting last May, a retired police officer named Mike Hebel asked Buffett a question about Wells Fargo. Hebel wanted to know why Berkshire, the company he trusted with his own savings, was invested in a bank that has been helping itself to its customers’ money with persistent enthusiasm for the past 20 years or more.

Buffett is easily the most beloved figure in American business. The Sage of Omaha, as he is known, is the face of good capitalism in America, an exemplar of the old-fashioned values of foresight, integrity, leadership and success. His company has a market cap of more than half a trillion dollars and as of last November boasted the largest hoard of cash held by any U.S. corporation: $128 billion. Berkshire is also the biggest publicly traded financial services company in the country, and its 7.82 percent stake in Wells Fargo is currently worth just under $12 billion, a drop of 22 percent since Feb. 17.

Hebel’s question was:

The Star Performers Investment Club has 30 partners, all of whom are active or retired San Francisco police officers. Several of our members have worked in the fraud detail, and have often commented after the yearslong fraudulent behavior of Wells Fargo employees—should have warranted jail sentences for several dozen, yet Wells just pays civil penalties and changes management.

As proud shareholders of Berkshire, we cannot understand Mr. Buffett’s relative silence compared to his vigorous public pronouncement many years ago on Salomon’s misbehavior. Why so quiet?

Here was an ordinary investor, a cop, who—despite having made money on his Berkshire investment—noticed that something very wrong was happening at Wells Fargo, and demanded ethical and legal accountability from a couple of the country’s most famously admired and trusted, most apple-pie-American billionaires. Buffett responded at length, with several zingers:

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At Berkshire … we have 390,000 employees, and I will guarantee you that some of them are doing things that are wrong right now.

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Wells has become, you know, exhibit one in recent years. But if you go back a few years, you know, you can almost go down—there’s quite a list of banks where people behaved badly.

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I don’t really have any inside information on it at all. … I don’t know the specifics at Wells.

That was interesting, because there were plenty to know. The House Financial Services Committee had held hearings about these very specifics only a few weeks before that shareholders meeting. The hearings, called “Holding Megabanks Accountable: An Examination of Wells Fargo’s Pattern of Consumer Abuses,” went poorly for the bank, and CEO Tim Sloan had stepped down shortly afterward.

The scandal would continue to snowball. Last month, banking regulators reported that John Stumpf—Sloan’s predecessor, whose nose Warren bloodied so effectively back in 2016—agreed to pay $17.5 million of his own money in fines for his part in the fake accounts scandal; he is barred for life from working for or even serving on the board of a bank. Multiple Wells executives are facing further investigation, fines, and potential criminal charges.

This fiasco is costing the bank far more than just fines and penalties. Last month the Wall Street Journal revealed that Wells’ wealth management division, which employs 13,000 financial advisers, has been hemorrhaging these valuable employees since the fake accounts scandal broke. Financial headhunter Brian Hamburger told the Journal, “Advisers tell me they don’t want to have to apologize for the firm they work for.” Yes, and maybe they also have little appetite for the task of persuading investors to entrust their funds to known swindlers.

But back at the shareholders meeting last May, Charlie Munger was saying: “I don’t think people ought to go to jail for honest errors of judgment. It’s bad enough to lose your job. And I don’t think that any of those top officers was deliberately malevolent in any way. … I don’t think Tim Sloan even committed honest errors of his judgment. … I wish Tim Sloan was still there.”

“Yeah, there’s no evidence that he did a thing,” said Buffett. “But he stepped up to take a job that—where he was going to be a piñata, basically, for all kinds of investigations.”

One might be forgiven for thinking that the head of a bank that has been stealing money from its customers might reasonably expected to take a whack or two. Or maybe the real piñatas were the thousands of Wells Fargo employees who wound up losing their jobs for doing exactly as their bosses asked.

The wildest part of Buffett’s answer to Hebel came at the end.

“I actually proposed … that if a bank gets to where it needs government assistance, that basically the responsible CEO should lose his net worth and his spouse’s net worth,” he said. But he failed to mention that this brain wave came in the context of being grilled by the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission on the 2008 banking crisis. He was proposing personal liability for CEOs as a preferable alternative to creating stronger banking regulations. “Maybe the spouse would do better policing than the regulator,” he cracked. Tee-hee.

But Hebel was not asking Buffett and Munger how Berkshire Hathaway felt about individual acts of wrongdoing at Wells Fargo. He was asking why its money—his money—was sustaining a bank whose misbehavior was clearly deeper, worse, and more ingrained than the crimes of a few people. The barrel is plainly rotten, in other words, not just a few apples. A better question than Mike Hebel’s is: Why hasn’t this bank been shut down?

In March of 2019, just before the House hearings, Yahoo Finance made a “complete timeline” of 19 Wells Fargo scandals going back to the fall of 2016. But LOL, no, Yahoo’s timeline was not remotely “complete.”

Here’s a selection of the misdeeds for which Wells Fargo has been penalized by various agencies over the past few years:

• overcharging service members for loans, and then

• illegally repossessing their cars

• failing to file reports on suspected money laundering activity

• failing to obey regulations for bankruptcy planning

• charging auto loan customers for duplicative insurance without their knowledge

• wage violations

• keeping conveniently mum to investors about the incipient fake account scandal

• encouraging retail investor churn in high-fee products

• deliberately originating mortgage loans with false income information

• taking punitive action against whistleblowers in its own company.


Good Jobs First’s Violation Tracker lists 136 separate fines and penalties paid by the bank since 2000, totaling about $17.3 billion.

What percentage of the loot illegally acquired by Wells Fargo in this 20-year crime spree does that $17.3 billion in penalties represent? Ten percent? A tenth of a percent? Who knows? Put it this way: The bank’s confessed 2019 Q2 profit, reported in July, rose to $6.21 billion, compared with $5.19 billion the previous year. Even with its retention problems, its wealth division recently reported $1.9 trillion in customer assets under management.

New and terrible details of the fake accounts scandal emerged in the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency’s filings on Jan. 23 against former executive Carrie Tolstedt and others, documenting a work environment so toxic and hateful as to stun even those of us who had already understood its broad outlines. The filings quote many Wells Fargo employees’ written pleas to their deranged, abusive bosses:

Surely, you must be aware that you will reach a sales number to be achieved that will force the staff to cheat to obtain it.

The noose around our necks has tightened: we have been told we must achieve the required solutions goals or we will be terminated. This type of practice guarantees high turnover, a managerial staff of bullying taskmasters, [and] bankers who are really financial molesters [and] cheaters.

Wealth should not be so admired that it sanitizes the people who hold it, placing them beyond the reach of interrogation.
Despite this, nobody in charge has been indicted, let alone convicted, for the crimes of Wells Fargo, so there obviously hasn’t been much of a deterrent for committing them. Shareholders, all of them shielded from direct liability, also benefited, as millions of Wells Fargo’s own customers—and employees—were persistently fleeced and abused.

Unless you are one of them, it may seem to have nothing to do with you, what these kazillionaire bankers are up to. But what Wall Street and the banks are doing is deep in your life, through and through. It’s where you’re keeping your money! A little bit of the sweat of your brow goes in their pocket with your every paycheck.

“There are decisions about what we want not just our economy to look like, but also our broader world to look like, that come from what giant banks decide that they are going to finance.” Graham Steele, a former legislative assistant to Sen. Sherrod Brown, told me.

What is the true cost of accepting the aw-shucks evasions of people like Warren Buffett? Wealth should not be so admired that it automatically sanitizes the people who hold it, and their deeds, placing them beyond the reach of interrogation.

It bears mentioning that despite their protestations of executive innocence, Buffett and Munger quietly sold off 55.2 million shares of Wells Fargo in the fourth quarter, about 15 percent of their holdings. This move left Berkshire still the bank’s largest shareholder, but barely. A cynic might observe that dumping enough to drop behind second-place Vanguard’s stake might attract unwelcome notice in the market.

What would it take to stop a bank that refuses to stop itself?

Since the 2008 crisis, financial institutions have become punching bags to some, but most people are still perfectly happy to keep their money in big banks. Banks are convenient places in which to have your paycheck deposited, and it’s convenient, too, to have plenty of ATMs around; one is rarely invited to consider that the people running the place might be literal thieves and bad guys, or that you should keep your money elsewhere, or that a bank should just be shuttered.

“We have the tools to break up Wells Fargo or any miscreant bank right now,” David Dayen, executive editor of American Prospect, author of Chain of Title, and a longtime reporter on financial shenanigans, told me over email. “The Federal Reserve can do it, or the FDIC. Corporations are granted a public charter by governments with the implicit (and often explicit) intention that they act in the public interest. A bank that violates that charter repeatedly should simply lose it. Wells Fargo should have been given the corporate death penalty long ago.”

State attorneys general, too, have the power to revoke a corporation’s charter, as Dayen pointed out in the New Republic: In Delaware—where more than half of all publicly traded U.S. corporations are domiciled—if the state attorney general finds a corporation has “abused or misused” its charter, they can just mosey on over to the Court of Chancery and direct the court to shut it down.

And finally, if governments or regulators can’t or won’t compel a bad bank to stop stealing, people really can just get their money out and put it somewhere else. Banks can’t make loans without a certain percentage of deposits held by law as “reserve requirements.” Should deposits take a big enough hit, even the largest bank could be forced out of business by its own depositors. It’s a lot of trouble to change banks, no doubt; on the other hand it is also quite unpleasant to be ripped off incessantly by a load of Brioni-suited crooks.

After Sen. Elizabeth Warren mopped the floor with onetime Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf in a Banking Committee hearing in 2016 (“Have you returned one nickel of the millions of dollars that you were paid while this scam was going on?” she asked—and he hadn’t, until he was forced to, years later), Stumpf retired, as did Tolstedt, who had been head of the community banking division. Tolstedt, who is reportedly still fighting charges, has so far taken the brunt of the blame for running the fake accounts fraud scheme, and misleading the board, after an internal investigation. Five thousand three hundred Wells employees lost their jobs in the wreckage.

A lot of hay was made in the press over the $136 million eventually clawed back from Stumpf’s and Tolstedt’s golden parachutes, but Fortune reported that Stumpf still left the company with $105 million—the clawback amounted to a 40 percent hit on his retirement package—while Tolstedt’s took a 54 percent hit, leaving her with a $57 million exit. That is to say, even after his $17.5 million speeding ticket, Stumpf’s exit package alone was still worth $87.5 million.

The precedent for rewarding thieving bankers was fixed in the years after 2008, when, instead of being prosecuted, many of those responsible for the mortgage crisis were bailed out and made whole by the Obama administration, even as millions of ordinary Americans lost their houses, jobs, and pensions.

“The message in the crisis itself was you can crash the global economy, and you will get bailed out,” Steele told me. “So we’ll do some marginal reforms, and then you can take millions and millions of people’s homes away, mostly fraudulently. And there’ll be no accountability for that either.”

This pattern of showering people with money in exchange for corporate malfeasance repeated itself many times over the next decade at Wells Fargo.

Tim Sloan, Stumpf’s replacement, was a company veteran of nearly three decades who had served Wells as CFO and COO. With each new scandal, he publicly promised reforms and transparency. It’s unclear whom he thought he was kidding. The scandal machine rolled on unhindered throughout his tenure.

Instead of being prosecuted, many of those responsible for the mortgage crisis were bailed out and made whole.
In August of 2019—that is, just months ago—a new scandal emerged: Wells had been charging overdrafts to closed bank accounts. A single whistleblower reported having personally nabbed about $100,000 in such fees on behalf of the bank over an eight-month period. Sen. Warren demanded answers from the bank on Aug. 19. (Uh, looking into that we’ll get back to you, it replied, more or less).

Warren’s popularity grew in no small part because of the effectiveness and vim with which she socked it to Sloan in October 2017, as she had to Stumpf before him. “At best you were incompetent. At worst you were complicit. And either way, you should be fired,” she yelled, thrillingly. Even so, Sloan managed to hang on until last March. His compensation for 2018 was $18,426,734. Maybe he thought that wasn’t such a lot, given what his old boss walked away with. Remember, if you have a bank account at Wells Fargo, a bit of that is your money.

Wells’ new CEO, Charles Scharf, started work last October; he’s its fourth leader in three years. His job is to rehabilitate the bank’s tarnished reputation, but until quite recently, Scharf didn’t seem to think anything much needed fixing (and no wonder; the Washington Post reported that “in 2020, Scharf will have a target annual pay package of $23 million and receive a one-time make whole award of $26 million for money he lost by leaving Bank of New York Mellon,” and if you want to rewind for a moment over the phrase “money he lost,” I won’t blame you). Scharf “dismissed the notion that Wells needed a change in structure or strategy,” according to the FT in late September. “The business model is fundamentally sound,” he said.

Scharf’s tone changed dramatically after Stumpf was made to pay even a fraction of Wells Fargo’s ill-gotten gains out of his own pocket.

“The OCC’s actions are consistent with my belief that we should hold ourselves and individuals accountable,” he declared in a statement to employees. “They also are consistent with our belief that significant parts of the operating model of our Community Bank were flawed,” he added.

The altar-boy routine continued on Feb. 21, after the DOJ announced its settlement. “The conduct at the core of today’s settlements—and the past culture that gave rise to it—are reprehensible and wholly inconsistent with the values on which Wells Fargo was built,” Scharf said, in a thoroughly incoherent statement. “We are committing all necessary resources to ensure that nothing like this happens again, while also driving Wells Fargo forward.”

Scharf’s newfound chagrin makes a sound argument for relieving criminal executives of all their ill-gotten gains, as Warren Buffett once suggested, and also putting them in jail, even if the current administration has insufficient brains, integrity, or political will to shut the Wells Fargo supercrime bonanza down completely. But the real lesson of Wells Fargo is that punishing a lawless CEO or two is not enough. Sometimes criminal institutions just need to be annihilated.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/03/wells-fargo-fines-penalties-never-stop.html



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Long and 100% excellent read for anyone interested in bitcoin, crypto currencies, finance, economics.

I hadn't realized Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway is the largest majority stake owner of Wells Fargo. This explains why he would never be open minded about bitcoin or care to endorse anything related to crypto currencies. It goes directly against the grain of the banking industry he has billions of dollars invested in.

This piece also details numerous advantages bitcoin and crypto currencies enjoy over traditional banking institutions. In terms of crypto's trustless system not being applicable towards the type of abuse and fraud which banks like Wells Fargo have long been guilty of.

Its too bad news articles like this one aren't required reading in schools. Many of the principles and ideologies comprising school curriculum is obsolete and outdated by modern day standards.
2440  Economy / Economics / Re: The Indian Bank System is Faulty, and Bitcoins will be it’s replacement. on: March 06, 2020, 11:15:13 AM
Do you remember when chess masters were defeated by computers. People remarked upon how artificial intelligence was improving and how robots would soon be taking our jobs.

Someone should make a bitcoin commercial about banks being defeated by bitcoin in a similar vein.

"Did banks make a mistake costing you precious time and money." Use bitcoin instead, it will solve every problem you ever had using a bank. "No late or hidden fees. No balance minimums. No bouncing checks. No debiting of your account without permission by sneaky 3rd party apps with your financial info."

Bitcoin and crypto still have so much raw potential. Perhaps someday we will see it realized.
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