AMT is the Authorized distributor for BitMine.ch products and as such it is a safe bet that they by contract can only use the CoinCraft A1 chips and boards supplied by BitMine. . They claim not to use bitmine.ch boards, nor do they resell them. Instead they brag about contracting 3 or 4 PCB assembly houses: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=304605.msg5211012#msg5211012They have no one but themselves to blame for this. Never said they resell boards. Somewhere else in this thread is was said that they ARE using Bitmine boards. Most likely bare ones that the CM's stuff with support components and mount the chips on. As for the CM's, most are assembly houses, not full up manufacturers. Many many do not make the pcb's in-house. They just stuff ones either supplied by the customer or their manufacture is subed out to someone like Sunstone or other places. Something I just recalled. Toward the end of our meetup, Josh expressed that he rather not have me come to the facility outta fear that I would relay the location. I replied with, "If it starts with the letter C, then I already know where it's located." Whereupon, after a pause with a surprised look on his face, he replied with, "You're good at what you do." |
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Its the weekend so safe bet they wont be responding on here until at least Monday. But fact is it sounds like they are getting the parts in. If only they started to contact people or ship the parts off. I mean seriously at this point if they aren't following the order of the queued up orders, they may as well deliver to the people on here first just to quiet things down so the discussion then turns into a technical one or whatever. Seems like that's the general idea. And those waiting for complete systems can wait too. It sucks to put it that way but it sounds like they are prioritizing a certain way.
-Basically get disassembled systems to those who requested it for those on pick up at office
-Then complete system pick up orders
-And obviously while doing all those ship the disassembled orders to those in the queue
-Then completed system orders to be shipped
It's not totally fair to be honest BUT if they are gonna skip around then add some order to that skipping to make it orderly and people actually get their orders.
Obviously it sucks no matter how you slice it but at least they get the lower hanging fruit out of the way which is the systems that need picking up. That knocks out a fair bit of headache. Quite a few of us on here are within driving distance and it would go a long way to starting a more technical discussion.
Their communication yea needs work. Obviously thats just my idea. There may be a better way to ship the orders. Clearly they are not being done in order so the logistics is all jacked. And now people are pissed.
I swear, I expressed this to Josh to at least take care of the discontent clients on this thread, but he just shrugged you guys off, directing the conversation to big orders stemming from elsewhere, not this forum, mostly those that own hosting companies having huge orders. Hell, if that's the case, you guys should consist of a smaller universe of orders, and shouldn't effect AMT's bottomline whatsoever. He could have easily took a very small percentage of each of those hosting outfits orders and fulfill you guyses. In fact, he could have easily only pissed off one outfit, and saved face with everybody else. What the fuck do they teach for six years at Penn State to earn a business degrees? |
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The gist of our conversation is that he didn't know where/how the rumor got started, whereupon I told him that it was probably by me, expressing how I started adding it to the JBF moniker I devised. He claimed to only stated that he didn't know how it got started and not denying the fact. It that is true, then I would be the one to blame for claiming that he said that he wasn't a Freemasons, hence offering up proof of the contrary.
You mean this quote? We don't know anything about masons. There are several rumors, fake images, just plain crap on this thread that the trolls spread all the time, now we're free masons too right :. )
Gulp! I can't believe that I was lied to by Josh. And to think we bonded so well during our meetup. I believed him when he put the blame on me, forgetting that quote above at the time, for I was so tire, being it was 3 AM and all and I've been on the road all day, then being uber-depressed because I had to lower my post count, thus now will take me longer (days, maybe) to get to 20,000 posts. BTW, how does one who's a Penn State grad misspell Freemasons? The absolute minimum requirement of any body of Freemasons is that the candidate must be free, and considered to be of good character. Well, at least Joshua Zipkin has the character part down pat. |
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This thread will loose like 200 pages if they make Phinn remove all his posts. That has to be worth more than 20BTC.  Another 5BTC to cover Clenell's posts, and this whole thread can be seen in like five pages. xD (Clenell should have brought Phinn to AMT.) You know, it would have cost you -1/10000000th of that to get me there (I was willing to defer my miner until I left your company.)... assembling even... You offered, I agreed, you replied as if it seemed possible, then silence... lol. Even though I deleted ~100 posts (lied to Josh and told him exactly 216, and he bought it  ), you guys added over 600 (damn near 700) posts since I got into Pennsylvania. Luckily, for AMT, they were all positive, so hopefully AMT garnered more sales due to said posts. |
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The whole thing is very depressing...
It was depressing way before I even entered this thread, but Josh truly believes that it was I that caused the most harm to the AMT brand, not him or other posters combined. But, for a $1,000 USD/mo. that he offered to pay me to man this thread, together we could turn this around. Of course, that would have meant that I would have to hone my hyperbole skills to meet his standards. Until such skills were honed, my postings would probably resemble the following: "You are just a troll, XXX! AMT is the bestest! We are shipping as quick as possible, working 27 hours a day, give or take 10%. We continue to have orders come in because we are the bestest. Our intentions are to honor all MPP ASAP. We are the bestest." Or something similar. For those wondering: The pizza was delicious--all 16" of it, thin crust. |
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AMT is the Authorized distributor for BitMine.ch products and as such it is a safe bet that they by contract can only use the CoinCraft A1 chips and boards supplied by BitMine. . They claim not to use bitmine.ch boards, nor do they resell them. Instead they brag about contracting 3 or 4 PCB assembly houses: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=304605.msg5211012#msg5211012They have no one but themselves to blame for this.  |
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Well the pressure is on to deliver those miners. Lotta people here willing to forgo the case and PSU which would help ALOT of that delivery load (#1493 here) I would be happy enough to just pick up my parts and put them together. I got 2 rack mount cases for those I was gonna modify if needed to put the hardware in. Nice to know its already ATX compatible so it saves me some headaches. Also AMT may want to take note. http://www.coindesk.com/court-grants-order-freeze-hashfasts-bitcoin-wallets/ There are people with plenty of legitimate gripes. This would be a good time to start heaping out the orders on here first if anything. There are some with refunds that are deserved too. If you got some hidden wallets out there they will be found. After all the ledger is public. I want to be on your side and see you guys succeed as a business. But you gotta look at how its playing out and start flexing a little and communicating with the customers instead of just detractors. Posting on your facebook or blog for starters would be FAR better than using this forum. We can discuss here until we turn blue. Plus anything useful seems to get drowned out within hours of being posted. It is an incredibly poor use of social media in terms of getting news out. That said the forums server their own purpose for customer engagement and feedback. There is a legal storm coming which has been alluded to repeatedly here (not a threat just observation on what people have been admitting). There are people who have been essentially spamming email and these forums for an answer to a refund. No attempt to contact them has been forthcoming. I have emailed requesting an ETA according to your instructions for various things including volunteering to come down and assist (which I am willing to do for the good of the community at large not just myself). Also you put forward the option of receiving the parts and assembling it ourselves. Obviously if we are doing that we definitely want something in return to compensate for that as well. An additional hashing board or even a 128Ghs miner just to get some extra power out. The MPP is a huge huge thing right now as people have lost alot of mining power because the difficulty has climbed a number of times because of the wait. Does not seem like there are plans to honor that MPP at this point. Which is really really bad. These are just the realities of what we are seeing right now. I imagine you guys are keenly aware of that. HashFast, which had been under threat of legal action over the delays since the beginning of this year, was founded just last year and promotes itself on its website as “an industry leader in bitcoin mining technology”. Can you image any bitcoin miner supplier promoting themselves as, "Coin Mining on the Level"? Me neither, thus not even sure why I brought it up. Let me put my tin foil hat on... There we go. Did the Mason connection come up at all? On the level being a Freemason term. I noticed AMT changed their web page some time back to remove other symbols that could be construed as masonic but its kind of hard to remove your company slogan I guess Ok the hats coming off. that thing makes my scalp itchy and I don't care for the easy listening music I hear when wearing it  Yes he did. Josh did admit that he and his father are both Freemasons, and that there are of different sects, for lack of a better term. They're just a brotherhood that does good. Fair enough. No problem with that whatsoever, and he should have embraced them and not removed any symbols. The gist of our conversation is that he didn't know where/how the rumor got started, whereupon I told him that it was probably by me, expressing how I started adding it to the JBF moniker I devised. He claimed to only stated that he didn't know how it got started and not denying the fact. It that is true, then I would be the one to blame for claiming that he said that he wasn't a Freemasons, hence offering up proof of the contrary. If I am the one to blame for that aspect, then I must apologize, and they probably shouldn't have been brought into the equation. I should revisit that post in question to see if and how I erred, if I did. At this penning, I'm leaning toward to making said error. To be fair, Josh did state several times that his intentions are good, but his communication skills suck. I've had the pleasure of meeting several different people who claimed that there intentions were good, but at the end of the day, no joy. Look, we all fuck up! That's a given. But, it's how we handle those fuck-ups that really matter. Unfortunately for Josh, the point of no return has probably been reached, and we're now hoping that all who've ordered don't get burn too badly at the end of the day. Delivering only parts to those who want them would take a big-ass load off AMT. Ironically, if Josh truly isn't mining, even a little, then that'll make him... (insert your own thoughts here). |
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at firs I wondered why they didn't post the video of the machine hashing. then thought about what you said about it hashing @800 gh/s.
people here would have blown a fucking cow seeing a 1.2 machine hashing at 800.
I totally missed the double spend thing on that btc address the other day but it was definitely there. I remember the red bar but didn't read the contents.
After we did the first video, Josh, too, was concerned as to how that 800 gh/s would be perceived, but then he devised a putting it in turbo option (whatever that means or does), whereupon the numbers would be more in line was his hope. Not a lie, but a... a... what's another word for lie? fib, deception (I can go on in about 7 other languages if you like) Caution: Chuckle post ahead. Elliptically speaking, perhaps it was a hyperbole. Of which, in turn (since we're talking in circles) is a metaphor or mole hill, if you will.  "Saw my shadow! Six more weeks of waiting. Time for a RedBull." |
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at firs I wondered why they didn't post the video of the machine hashing. then thought about what you said about it hashing @800 gh/s.
people here would have blown a fucking cow seeing a 1.2 machine hashing at 800.
I totally missed the double spend thing on that btc address the other day but it was definitely there. I remember the red bar but didn't read the contents.
After we did the first video, Josh, too, was concerned as to how that 800 gh/s would be perceived, but then he devised a putting it in turbo option (whatever that means or does), whereupon the numbers would be more in line was his hope. Not a lie, but a... a... what's another word for lie? fib, deception (I can go on in about 7 other languages if you like) Caution: Chuckle post ahead. Elliptically speaking, perhaps it was a hyperbole. |
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Ready for some good news? Seriously! Not kidding! Josh told me that soon the bitcoin rate exchange will go up due to Avalon and BitFury about to flood the market with some sort of chips, thus they're going to somehow get said rate up to make their chips more viable, thus hoping to sell a shitload of them. If I heard that rumor from anybody else besides Josh, I probably wouldn't relay it. Ironically, this is one thing that came outta Josh's trap that I may be inclined to believe. Those in the know would be able to dissect this information, for I'm just the messenger. |
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at firs I wondered why they didn't post the video of the machine hashing. then thought about what you said about it hashing @800 gh/s.
people here would have blown a fucking cow seeing a 1.2 machine hashing at 800.
I totally missed the double spend thing on that btc address the other day but it was definitely there. I remember the red bar but didn't read the contents.
After we did the first video, Josh, too, was concerned as to how that 800 gh/s would be perceived, but then he devised a putting it in turbo option (whatever that means or does), whereupon the numbers would be more in line was his hope. Not a lie, but a... a... what's another word for lie? |
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Well the pressure is on to deliver those miners. Lotta people here willing to forgo the case and PSU which would help ALOT of that delivery load (#1493 here) I would be happy enough to just pick up my parts and put them together. I got 2 rack mount cases for those I was gonna modify if needed to put the hardware in. Nice to know its already ATX compatible so it saves me some headaches. Also AMT may want to take note. http://www.coindesk.com/court-grants-order-freeze-hashfasts-bitcoin-wallets/ There are people with plenty of legitimate gripes. This would be a good time to start heaping out the orders on here first if anything. There are some with refunds that are deserved too. If you got some hidden wallets out there they will be found. After all the ledger is public. I want to be on your side and see you guys succeed as a business. But you gotta look at how its playing out and start flexing a little and communicating with the customers instead of just detractors. Posting on your facebook or blog for starters would be FAR better than using this forum. We can discuss here until we turn blue. Plus anything useful seems to get drowned out within hours of being posted. It is an incredibly poor use of social media in terms of getting news out. That said the forums server their own purpose for customer engagement and feedback. There is a legal storm coming which has been alluded to repeatedly here (not a threat just observation on what people have been admitting). There are people who have been essentially spamming email and these forums for an answer to a refund. No attempt to contact them has been forthcoming. I have emailed requesting an ETA according to your instructions for various things including volunteering to come down and assist (which I am willing to do for the good of the community at large not just myself). Also you put forward the option of receiving the parts and assembling it ourselves. Obviously if we are doing that we definitely want something in return to compensate for that as well. An additional hashing board or even a 128Ghs miner just to get some extra power out. The MPP is a huge huge thing right now as people have lost alot of mining power because the difficulty has climbed a number of times because of the wait. Does not seem like there are plans to honor that MPP at this point. Which is really really bad. These are just the realities of what we are seeing right now. I imagine you guys are keenly aware of that. HashFast, which had been under threat of legal action over the delays since the beginning of this year, was founded just last year and promotes itself on its website as “an industry leader in bitcoin mining technology”. Can you image any bitcoin miner supplier promoting themselves as, "Coin Mining on the Level"? Me neither, thus not even sure why I brought it up. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO-EGJhdx4UNow, I see why said that I even look like a troll. In the video linked above, that dude sure does look like a troll. Notice Josh stated that I he gave me a miner that I paid for. Of course the truth is that I was given that miner in lieu of the bounty, and Josh was adamant in making sure that the wrong message wasn't relayed to the community, hence suggesting that we should lie about how I got my hands on one, of which I immediately agreed to, as I did to all his wonderful suggestions to make sure that AMT comes out in a good light.
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i dont doubt they are mining with our hardware. i am all too aware what a shady person joshua zipkin is. check out public data at the delaware and montgomery county systems. he's a piece of crap. What's up with that address? Total Received $ 359,272.10
Final Balance $ 359,272.10 Also: https://blockchain.info/address/1swrtyBsp9odruX65upeyubAVSAyggh78Warning! this bitcoin address contains transactions which may be double spends. You should be extremely careful when trusting any transactions to or from this address. |
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Something I just remembered during this penning: Josh is not happy with Giorgio for some ass reason. There may have been a falling out there.
Hmm could it be because Bitine.ch is the cause of all this. Face it, whatever you may think of the pair Josh and his fledgling AMT has been badly burned by this as well by BMch. If The A1 product had been properly produced - in other words chips produced and characterized to verify design specs, tweaked a few times as needed BEFORE taking full payment pre-orders - then none of this would have happened. As it stands, safe bet BMch is taking care of their own direct orders first followed by what BMch doles out to chip buyers and miner assemblers. Josh has a lot more problems just from what BMch supplies. Cases and power supplies first come to mind, then the production and how he conducts business. Josh also told me that he developed playerfunder.com for a client, charging him $5,000 to build and maintain the facebook page and a website that was never indexed. RedBull must be some really powerful stuff, that's all I gotta say about it. https://www.facebook.com/Playerfunder |
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looking back at mblackouts earlier posts he said his order was originally due 1rst week in Jan. That would put him in the upper 600's.
With AMT having shipped out so many miners it is starting to look like they are purposely skipping numbers on the unofficial list as Mblackout has never given out his number that I can find.
Probably not but it makes you think, who are they shipping all these miners to?
Josh stated to me that there were a lot of hosting outfits that ordered a slew of miners he felt should get the units first regardless of queue position. Then why are is there even an order queue? Ridiculous. As for saving Josh a headache, who gives a fuck about his welfare? Hopefully we can give the guy an aneurysm. Having an order queue simply looks good. Also, it's not him maintaining any queue position. The queue thread is maintained to act as a bearing as to who ordered what when. It is a fact that no queue position is being honored. |
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If the miners are being shipped now, they must have been running the miners themselves to collect BTC.
Delay for as long as possible before the end of March, so they can bank on the BTC that is being mined.
Sounds like we've essentially funded AMT's mining operation.
There is no way that Josh DIDN'T mine, for the selling shovels analogy doesn't work when it comes to mining bitcoins oppose to digging for gold. With the latter, the shovel supplier would have had to travel a great distance to use them expensive shovels, not being able to man the store to continue satisfying sales, but with the former, all could be done under one roof. Josh didn't enter the Bitcoin realm thinking to himself that I will be the most honest bitcoin miner supplying on the planet and won't mine. He knew/knows full well that basically there's no real way to prove or disprove that he would mine, thus getting the best of both worlds. Did I mention that I ordered a 16" pizza to be delivered to my hotel room? |
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That sucks if that's the case. Here are our options: 1> Receive miner VERY late. It cannot ROI. Left with trying to resell it as soon as you get it to someone stupid enough to buy it.2> Everyone sues and tries this way to get their money back. If no money is returned, well maybe jail time for Joshy boy.
You're right, both of these options suck. How about pipe dream option #3??? 3> Josh reveals to us on Monday, that to make up for everything, he just finished drop shipping 3.2 TH miners to everyone that ordered and we receive them the next day.Let's be optimistic, maybe #3 will happen! Anybody capable of building the miners themselves should just have all the parts delivered, even if you forego the case and power supply(s), and have something else thrown in for the inconvenience. This option would save Josh a myriad headaches and downtime. |
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