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2541  Other / Meta / Re: Mike Hearn, Foundation\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ on: November 17, 2013, 04:59:41 AM
Again you are giving the foundation too much power.

Mod Edit Note: Shove your tracking pixel up your ass, BCB. Cheers, Raoul Duke


hmm...

hmm indeed. The BF should be onto this like a ton of bricks.

BCB has posted nothing since this. It will be interesting to see if he ever posts again, or if he retires that sockpuppet.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/18/revealed-air-force-ordered-software-to-manage-army-of-fake-virtual-people/

A tracking pixel gets outed.  It bears observation that fundamentally any post with in BitcoinTalk with an embedded picture from a domain under your control, or for which you can review server logs, will show the IP address of anyone browsing it.  Those browsing IPs addresses have a higher than average likelihood of having a bitcoin wallet on the machine, and present a target list for the would be attacker.

Good security has many layers.
2542  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [LEAKED] Private Bitcoin Foundation Discussions On Blacklisting, more (ZIP dump) on: November 17, 2013, 04:32:29 AM
Erm... i wonder where you life since the control of people is a disease spreading worldwide. And yes they use all kind of excuses to forward their plans. Be it terrorism or money laundering. They will spread fear to get the plans through they need to earn money.

Yes.
So you are going to surrender?
Well - do what you please...

I am going to stand up, because I am not a slave, I have my rights as a human being and I am going to use them to promote my human interests.
And Bitcoin is today my most powerful weapon, which I will not give up even after my dead body. Smiley

These days I live in Holland, but I was born and raised in Poland, though today I consider myself a citizen of the world.
Unfortunately as it turns out, the World does not issue passports, and without a passport a human being is nobody.
So I am doomed to have a nationality, even though I think nationalism is stupid and inhumane
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Passport
2543  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 17, 2013, 04:03:25 AM
There are no coins!
There is no spoon!
2544  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 90% of US bills have cocaine residue on: November 17, 2013, 03:50:24 AM
Only criminals use cash. The rest use plastic. Wink

the highest tiers of criminality just use are the regular, recorded banking system. They evade law enforcement agencies through being connected to corrupt high-level banking types, as well as to corrupt politicians.

FTFY

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-02/hsbc-judge-approves-1-9b-drug-money-laundering-accord.html

US$670 Billion in money laundering unmonitored.  In just that one bank.  And their fee is less than 0.5%, a lower fee than we pay for trading on an exchange.

Bitcoin is legitimate, but if it weren't, and even if there were zero non-money laundering use of bitcoin and was only used for money laundering, it could barely make a dent in the way the big bad guys play.
2545  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin at the US Senate on: November 17, 2013, 03:43:46 AM
i heard this would be streamed live, what time tho?
Will be interesting, hopefully they don't make too many mistakes.

ripple labs? lol   Cheesy

https://opencoin.com/

They have Proof of Stake.  By the senate metric, means potential taxpayer, donor or vote influence.
come on you turkey>> you know what i'm saying: everyone calls ripple a scam! LOL  Grin ~personally i have not DD'd them ..i just noticed they were on the list*fwiw*
XRP has far more to gain/lose from the hearings than BTC, and is better positioned to do so.  XRP is more Fed-friendly as a debt-trading instrument, even if it is designed to outlive and drain it of value.
2546  Economy / Collectibles / Re: New Bitcoin Specie by the makers of New Liberty Dollar on: November 16, 2013, 09:35:49 PM
Agora Commodities is now also offering direct sales of the silver Bitcoin specie!
Buy from them if you can, their USD direct prices are lower than mine are unless you are buying in bulk, AND they are much better at the retail transaction.
I'd encourage anyone in the US to buy direct from Agora:

https://agoracommodities.com/product/silver-bitcoin-specie/
2547  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin at the US Senate on: November 16, 2013, 09:17:17 PM
i heard this would be streamed live, what time tho?
Will be interesting, hopefully they don't make too many mistakes.

ripple labs? lol   Cheesy

https://opencoin.com/

They have Proof of Stake.  By the senate metric, means potential taxpayer, donor or vote influence.
2548  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: scenarios if US Govt tried to take down bitcoin? on: November 16, 2013, 03:08:32 PM
All you have done thus far is critique.  As they say, the most dispensable person in the theater is the critic Smiley
Ought I leave that role to you alone?

The notion that something is perfect, or even best, simply because it succeeded is the death of innovation.

The notion of success being an indicator of worth is the fundament of every attempt to validate the unregulated free market & similar socio-Darwinian baloney Undecided
Even if your goal were validate the unregulated free market & similar socio-Darwinianism with your fundament, the panglossian monadology of "it is, therefore it is good", is thin gruel.

Of course it is.  What survives is what survives  "What is best" is a predicate without a subject (Best for (what???)).
The free market is guaranteed to give us simply that which survives (succeeds), nothing more or less.

"Panglossian monadology"? Leibniz's "everything that is, exists according to reason, and thus this world is the best of all *possible* worlds"?  The sage words of Killdozer further clarified that metaphysical stance for us, the modern scholars:

Let me tell you something my friend
In the best of all possible worlds
That is to say
In this world as well as all other worlds
Why i'm the best of all short-order fry cooks!


Is your premise that the free market produced all the governments, and because they are here is why they are good?  Or is this a reductio ad absurdum of someone else's straw man?
2549  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: scenarios if US Govt tried to take down bitcoin? on: November 16, 2013, 11:35:18 AM
All you have done thus far is critique.  As they say, the most dispensable person in the theater is the critic Smiley
Ought I leave that role to you alone?

The notion that something is perfect, or even best, simply because it succeeded is the death of innovation.

The notion of success being an indicator of worth is the fundament of every attempt to validate the unregulated free market & similar socio-Darwinian baloney Undecided
Even if your goal were validate the unregulated free market & similar socio-Darwinianism with your fundament, the panglossian monadology of "it is, therefore it is good", is thin gruel.
2550  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Should the IRS accept voluntary taxes from Bitcoin users? on: November 16, 2013, 11:17:06 AM
US and many countries along with them are in the tobacco, lottery, alcohol and gasoline business by putting tax on these in addition to other taxes that already apply to it.
Special taxes put the government in the business.  Capital gains should be more than enough.
2551  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 16, 2013, 10:57:33 AM
If you know could know exactly when bitstamp would come back online to bitfinex then it would make for a great shorting opportunity.
I would do arbitraging instead of shorting, but hardly worth it due to trading fees.  Percentagewise the price difference is still small.
I have seen up to a 10% difference when it happens.

Making 10% on an arbitrage can get dwarfed by the loss in the opportunity cost of moving the fiat around rather than having had it in bitcoin.
2552  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 16, 2013, 09:00:56 AM
US Banks are fighting Bitcoin hard:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/11/15/bitcoin-companies-and-entrepreneurs-cant-get-bank-accounts/


“Saying Bitcoin in a bank is like yelling fire in a theater,” says Kinnard Hockenhull, the 23-year-old founder of Bitbox.

We need to try that  Grin

Lol I went to my bank to make a wire transfer and the cashier asked me what was the reason for the transfer. I really hesitated about mentioning anything about bitcoin.

"Personal loan"  Wink

The reason for the transfer is "sending money".
2553  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [LEAKED] Private Bitcoin Foundation Discussions On Blacklisting, more (ZIP dump) on: November 16, 2013, 04:51:49 AM
Yes they pay Gavin, but that's only because we accept their changes and update our software. If we stop doing that and fork QT, the need for them diminishes quickly.
Gavin doesn't need BF to get paid. He could open a ReDonate account tonight and get enough people to sign up to support whatever salary requirement he has.

I like you, let's be friends.

Question is whether or not Gavin would be willing to break away from the Foundation. Hint: the answer is [probably] no.

Truly, they work for him.
2554  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 16, 2013, 04:48:52 AM
No dont get discouraged.  Butter bot threads full of people with success ... But if you look through the help the OP gives, you have to do your back testing and make sure you set the values to what other people that are successful with.  I'm pretty new to this all too, but when I calibrated one of the bitcoincharts using EMA 9/20 and a HOURLY sample, it appeared to be giving a pretty solid sell signal.  But, if you notice, most people using the butter bot have it set to 2 hour intervals.  When you go to the same chart and set it to 2 hours, the lines don't converge.. D'OH!  Don't forget golden rule of trading is you'll win some and lose some...Just try to win MORE when you win Wink.  When you get the bot configured right, you should have more positive experience.

Or set it to 1:58 and front-run the herd?
2555  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [LEAKED] Private Bitcoin Foundation Discussions On Blacklisting, more (ZIP dump) on: November 16, 2013, 04:15:55 AM

you are out of the topic . The truth is Laden bought weapons using USD not bitcoin ,so why not ban USD worldwide ? Because it's not money's fault .
+2 bitcents:
If he'd been using bitcoin, he'd have been found sooner.  Not to mention bitcoin transactions take technology, modern electronic communication and connectivity... all things he was forbidden to use and forbidding others around him to use.  From a practical perspective, this terrorist funding angle is vulnerable to accusations of being a false premise, or worse yet, a theoretical fear floated to grab authority.  It is fine to discuss it, but why be surprised when it invites severe criticism?  It borders on the trollish.
2556  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 16, 2013, 12:03:12 AM
This is different from the normal dip/retracement. Sellers are actually running a demolition on the large walls rather than just retracing over low bid depth. Also, over 900,000 coins were transferred today.

had http://www.listentobitcoin.com/ running in the background and my box was constantly grumbling.

http://blockchain.info/charts/estimated-transaction-volume

this spike looks unreal   Shocked

i'm overslept atm and on second beer and not sure what to think of this,
but i find it a bit disturbing. (at least on log scale it looks more comfortable)

are these coins from cold wallets flowing back into the system?

don't want to spread FUD, just want to understand what's going on.


.....anyone notice any outgoing coins from some of the big holders?  Smiley  ...i have no idea what to make of it either.


https://blockchain.info/charts/bitcoin-days-destroyed
2557  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 15, 2013, 07:29:30 PM
I can't take it anymore. The price is just too tempting. I'm selling all my coin as fast as I can. I may hate myself later but I feel like I have to do it.

save 10% in XBT

I thought about that but if I don't sell it all I won't have enough to pay cash for this house I want to buy.

You can have inflating fiat debt, where they bank takes the loss on the inflation.
And bitcoin.
It would be doubling down, just be sure you like the house.
2558  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 15, 2013, 06:37:58 PM

Light that rocket!
2559  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: BTC violates GAAP, result a mess. on: November 15, 2013, 05:13:53 PM

GAAP uses arbitrary rules for compliance which change from time to time.  They are also inconsistently enforced, regional rather than global, and essentially transitory.
In short, GAAP compliance doesn't belong in the core protocol.  It is easy enough to do at another level or with already planned BIPs that it need not be further addressed in this context.

That was essentially the answer I was given in 2005, (but without the BIP enhancements) and it still applies.
2560  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin at the US Senate on: November 15, 2013, 03:11:53 PM
Has anyone heard of "The Bitcoin Council"?  How about "The Bitcoin Collective" or "The Bitcoin Society"?  I think we need to found those as well as several other groups.

Draw up a charter, gather the founders, pick a geography (if you like) and do it
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