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1581  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 04, 2014, 02:03:10 AM

I hereby promise to give 1 oz of gold for 21,000,000 BTC or fractions of 1 oz of gold for respective fractions of Bitcoin to anyone who is willing to meet me in person. PM me if you want to redeem.

Here we go. Bitcoin is backed by gold.

There is a price already, 2.2293 btc per oz of gold

By trying to say you backed btc with gold, the scale is set to 21million per oz.    So instead of increasing the credibility of bitcoin, it now becomes like sand on a beach.    

     In a free market bitcoin must have a price/risk comparable to other assets, arbitrage makes this true of almost anything.    We cant just 'make it so' without resorting to the stupidity of communist party (or Nixon) price fixes and what that really means is less business is done.   In your case you are probably proposing that only you can give this exchange, because you undercut all other exchanges with your cheap price then business is restricted I think would be the effect.  
I think it would be so much more complicated and harder to do.   The immediate effect of every exchange offering this swap to gold would drop btc prices massively I think.  Exchange rates are not fixed without further problems

Peer to peer cryptography wont mix with gold, that value cannot be transmitted or codified

Yes!  The volume is the key.  Without it, a chart tells only half the story.
Volume of all major exchanges would be useful information to have.  Mt gox led to an inaccurate perspective so it would be best to have some average or weighting to trade done, that would help improve prediction most likely

Bitcoin Specie project has been doing it, for real, with silver for quite a while now.
Gold will be added soonish.
http://coldhardca.sh
The higher the volume, the lower the premium and closer to the spot alloy price.
1582  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 04, 2014, 01:58:01 AM
Yes!  The volume is the key.  Without it, a chart tells only half the story.

NL, the only thing i'd say about your arguments above is that i'd like to see gubmint play a "more" active role by loosening the choke points and regs that are restricting Bitcoin's free trade at the moment.  there is no doubt in my mind that Bitcoin would be much more widespread by now if they weren't interfering.

the other thing is that until the gubmint is willing to tie their fiat currency emission to Bitcoin, such as perhaps M1 to 21m BTC, they will continue to inflate the USD which is bad for everyone.  this has to stop.

Sure, but gubmint doesn't move in that direction, its activity goes the other way consistently and without remorse.  Perhaps some once and future government that is for and by the people, if and when that occurs, might see things differently. 
Don't forget that Government gets its money pre-inflation, and its only after it is spent into circulation and competes with the existing money that the effects of inflation occur.

Its laws allow it to steal bitcoin and resell it, entrapment or no.  Why would anyone expect this to change?
http://rt.com/usa/bitcoin-florida-laundering-arrest-431/
1583  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 03, 2014, 04:23:19 PM
Yes!  The volume is the key.  Without it, a chart tells only half the story.
1584  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 03, 2014, 04:18:21 PM
While the concept of a "necessary backing" is a fallacy in my book
"Backing" is a kind of awkward hack that attempts to limit the production of currency.

It never really worked in the first place, and it's completely unnecessary now that we can just use math to limit the supply of the currency.

Well put.

The 'backing' concept still remains a rhetorical argument against things like Bitcoin by people that imagine that their favorite currency is 'backed'.  There aren't any currencies other than gold itself that are backed by gold in that sense of backing, (with the possible exception of a negotiable warehouse receipt for gold).  What they mean by backing, bitcoin has, and has done better.

The necessity of it is in the minds of those that think their currency is better than ours.  The Bitcoin Specie project is to not only prove them wrong by example, but also to shame them for the fact that their currency has no Specie of its own with a value anywhere close to the value of the specie.

Come on, a $1 Silver Eagle oz?  A $5 Canadian Maple Leaf?  A $50 Gold Eagle oz?  These are laughably wrongly denominated.
1585  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 03, 2014, 04:03:25 PM
The problem I have with gold bugs who advocate a gold backed currency such as Rickards and Schiff is that gold backed currency has been tried and failed. It failed because of a central point of failure and in the US this central point of failure is the federal reserve and it failed to maintain a dollar peg to gold.  Einstein's definition of insanity is "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."  By that definition, all gold bugs who want a gold backed currency are insane because it has been tried and failed miserably.  Don't try it again.  Bitcoiners are the sane ones for trying something different.

A gold backed digital currency would be great but these three conditions cannot exist simultaneously for money:
1.  Digital
2.  Backed by gold
3.  No third party risk (no central point of failure - decentralized)

The next best thing is to have 1 and 3 exist simultaneously, which leaves us with bitcoin.

With Bitcoin Specie, we get all three.

Bitccoin is not backed by gold so we don't get #2.

In fact, it is.
Bitcoin is backed by many things.
Everything for which you can redeem your bitcoin is what backs it.
The math and software and block chain hashing make bitcoin valuable, but that is different from backing.  Backing requires redeemability.

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The problem with #2-#3 is when it is all kept in some central vault.
A gold coin standard with a flexible free market valuation gives all three.
Bitcoin does this now.  You can buy gold or silver with bitcoin, and sell them for bitcoin.
This is not a true gold standard.  If it were, then a fixed amount of bitcoin would be directly redeemable for a fixed amount of gold.  This cannot exist in a trusless environment.  What you speak of are just market rates.  By your logic, the Argentinian peso is backed by gold.

There is no true Scotsman.

If you define 'true gold standard' as one of the many gold standards that have existed in history and literature you can pick one that doesn't match the facts of today.

The gold standards elucidated by Richard Salsman's excellent work "Gold and Liberty" published by the AEIR list many including probably the one you are thinking of, and presents very strong evidence for what would be the best and ultimate gold standard, one based on the free market rather than a centralized authorities proclamation.  Very close to what you dismiss as 'just market rates' is a gold standard that can stand the test of time.


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Gold and silver provide pure anonymity in point of sale transactions.  They are not so good at being sent over the internet as Bitcoin.
Bitcoin is not quite as good at point of sale.  With both, you get Rickards dream coin.  Its already here.  Its called Bitcoin.

Gold and silver cannot be sent over the internet.  Period.  All you can do is send an IOU for gold or silver over the internet, which requires third party trust.  Bitcoin gives us 1 and 3 but not 2.  All 3 cannot exist simultaneously.  Unless someone can make all 3 happen at the same time, then bitcoin is our best option.

I would suggest that all three can (and do) exist simultaneously, and that with all three, Bitcoin remains our best option.
1586  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Bitcoin Wallet Recovery Services - for forgotten wallet password on: August 03, 2014, 03:04:05 PM
Dave's service is working well!

unfortunately i had a mismatch in my password. I contacted Dave, without knowing him and i didnt know if i could trust him, and followed his guidelines for recovery. Ive send him the info he needed and a day later he was showing me the password mismatch.

Dave, thanks a lot!

I am actually more confident that it is a scam after your post

Come on guys. When you try to recover some password using the pywallet dump, you just send him a encrypted key with no funds, so he can recovered the password but recovers a private key with no funds. Thats 100% trustless.

But in order to know that, it would take knowing things about stuff.  Wink
Password =/= Private Key

what you say usually makes sense to me. Not this time. Care to elaborate what you mean?
 

This is a password recovery service, not private key recovery to determine the Master Key for the wallet.  This is used then (by the wallet owner to decrypt the funded private key(s).
The funded private key is not provided to the service in the portion of the modular wallet software that is sent to him for doing the password recovery.
It would not be possible to steal the coins in the wallet with just the information sent.

It uses this tool:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=pywallet

What he's innovated seems to be a type of narrowed search, rainbow table, brute force cracking, with some fast hardware available to make it time-economical.  The 'secret sauce' would be in the search narrowing.  The ability to chop up the rainbow table by reducing the entropy based on what the wallet owner can provide from their memory is pretty important.

But this just cracks the password to the wallet.  Without the private key that has funds attached to it, or the full wallet, that information is not so very useful except to the wallet owner.

He's posted the process for sending just non-funded keys, and the master key (which is what is needed for the passphrase cracking) here:
http://www.walletrecoveryservices.com/information.html

Mike Caldwell ELI5'd it here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=240779.msg2555111#msg2555111
1587  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Buy bitcoin with cash deposits at most banks in the USA with Bitcoin-Brokers on: August 03, 2014, 02:49:21 PM
You've seen the rates on LocalBitcoin?
http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/localbtcUSD#rg30ztgSzm1g10zm2g25zv
Some are >100% markup.  12% seems like a bargain considering the service level quality.
1588  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Buy bitcoin with cash deposits at most banks in the USA with Bitcoin-Brokers on: August 02, 2014, 09:22:51 PM
Ask Tim Draper how much over the exchange rate it paid for getting coins?   Grin
1589  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Buy bitcoin with cash deposits at most banks in the USA with Bitcoin-Brokers on: August 02, 2014, 09:20:43 PM
I'm accustomed to paying more for better service.
Seems pretty reasonable, even a bargain considering the alternatives.
1590  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Buy bitcoin with cash deposits at most banks in the USA with Bitcoin-Brokers on: August 02, 2014, 06:49:50 PM
If you want cheap bitcoin, they won't be fast.
If you want fast bitcoin, they won't be cheap.

I don't know of a better option for same day delivery, securely and easily.

I had a call from someone last week that was hit by the cryptolocker virus.  He needed bitcoin in a hurry because his boss had his accounting files locked up.  BitcoinBroker would be the perfect option for him.

He isn't going to go through even the hassle and delay of setting up a coinbase account for something like that.  Probably a one time thing for him (in his mind at least).
1591  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Buy bitcoin with cash deposits at most banks in the USA with Bitcoin-Brokers on: August 02, 2014, 06:43:26 PM
The service is just what it says it is.

I think of it as a kind of LocalBitcoin + Concierge level service, and without the back-alley feel of.

Considering the convenient ease of use, and the swiftness, and the history of integrity in management.  It is well worth it.  I tried it out when it first started and am delighted to see that it is still around and doing well.

I keep a localbitcoin advertisement up, but I don't really do much with it.  Mostly it is to meet the new folks in my area that want to know about Bitcoin and it is one way for folks to find someone they can talk with about it.

If I wanted Bitcoin in a hurry, same day, without having to go through the month long approval process and money sending processes of dealing with an off-shore brokerage, BitcoinBroker would be my go to option.
1592  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: August 02, 2014, 05:59:01 PM
The problem I have with gold bugs who advocate a gold backed currency such as Rickards and Schiff is that gold backed currency has been tried and failed. It failed because of a central point of failure and in the US this central point of failure is the federal reserve and it failed to maintain a dollar peg to gold.  Einstein's definition of insanity is "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."  By that definition, all gold bugs who want a gold backed currency are insane because it has been tried and failed miserably.  Don't try it again.  Bitcoiners are the sane ones for trying something different.

A gold backed digital currency would be great but these three conditions cannot exist simultaneously for money:
1.  Digital
2.  Backed by gold
3.  No third party risk (no central point of failure - decentralized)

The next best thing is to have 1 and 3 exist simultaneously, which leaves us with bitcoin.

With Bitcoin Specie, we get all three.

The problem with #2-#3 is when it is all kept in some central vault.
A gold coin standard with a flexible free market valuation gives all three.
Bitcoin does this now.  You can buy gold or silver with bitcoin, and sell them for bitcoin.
Gold and silver provide pure anonymity in point of sale transactions.  They are not so good at being sent over the internet as Bitcoin.
Bitcoin is not quite as good at point of sale.  With both, you get Rickards dream coin.  Its already here.  Its called Bitcoin.
1593  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: ==== Eligius, please pay my 200+ BTC ==== on: August 02, 2014, 05:45:35 PM
He tried something, he got caught,now he owes 400 BTC and is trying to refocus the discussion away from that fact.
QFT

Sure he does. He could even 51% attack p2pool to get up to ~200% PPS (at the expense of everyone else).

Could you please explain a 51% p2pool attack in more detail? I mean, lot of people believe, that p2pool is the most decentralized mining option available, and you state, that a 51% attack could be done to p2pool?

An "obvious" one would be making it so nodes ignore a forked chain more than 'X' shares deep, if it all pays out to the same address (indicating somebody forked from the chain to build a longer one that only pays themselves), though all that you'd have to do to combat that is cycle through addresses when making your fork.

In other words, p2pool users would be mining a block which pays almost the entire reward to the attacker, even though they've only done 51% of the actual work.

The difference is a 51% attack on the p2pool chain would be immediately obvious to all miners monitoring it - p2pool finds a block, but no payment is made since the attacker has substituted their own btc addresses into the sharechain, instead of the legitimate miners.

In this event, I imagine miners would just jump ship, if a better solution isn't implemented by then. Until then, though, it still has its advantages.

The "obvious" defense is too easily countered by new addresses for each block.  Addresses are zero cost.
1594  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Bitcoin Wallet Recovery Services - for forgotten wallet password on: August 02, 2014, 05:38:05 PM
Dave's service is working well!

unfortunately i had a mismatch in my password. I contacted Dave, without knowing him and i didnt know if i could trust him, and followed his guidelines for recovery. Ive send him the info he needed and a day later he was showing me the password mismatch.

Dave, thanks a lot!

I am actually more confident that it is a scam after your post

Come on guys. When you try to recover some password using the pywallet dump, you just send him a encrypted key with no funds, so he can recovered the password but recovers a private key with no funds. Thats 100% trustless.

But in order to know that, it would take knowing things about stuff.  Wink
Password =/= Private Key
1595  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Opinion on the US on: August 02, 2014, 05:27:46 PM
USA has a war on drugs and a war on obesity.

What an horrible way to spend the taxpayer money against him  Embarrassed I hope every country who have this stupidity will stop, it's fascism.

Given enough democracy, that's where it goes...



President's wives aren't really elected.  Though Hillary tried.
1596  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Anyone following the ebola outbreak? on: August 02, 2014, 05:21:53 PM
Who are these 'authorities' you are seeking help from on this?
You are the authority on your own health and safety. 
Or have you outsourced that responsibility to someone that has more interest in it than you do, and its not yours anymore?
1597  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Opinion on the US on: August 02, 2014, 05:14:12 PM
Drug and fat people is my impression.

USA has a war on drugs and a war on obesity.
Both were started by the wives of presidents. (Reagan and Obama)
A people are judged by the wars started by its first ladies, it seems.
1598  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 02, 2014, 05:05:48 PM
Pointing to the smartphone, Kurzweil says, devices like the iPhone are 100,000 times smaller than the computer that he used as an MIT student. "It is also several thousand times more powerful," he says. "It is a million times cheaper. That is a several billion-fold increase in price performance." Technology is being reduced at a rate of "100,000 in 3-D volume per decade," says Kurzweil. "That is another predictable exponential trajectory, so computers of this capability will be blood-cell size in 2030.

Phone size is increasing again.

30 Years Of Cell Phones
1599  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread on: August 02, 2014, 04:50:58 PM
Is someone from this group taking the lead on working with Overstock?
They are looking to start a DEX and needing the howto.
It looks like it could be a good project for some of the folks here.

We're about 3 months ahead of you here. Wink
I know XCP's DEX is the best and only one that is really working.  They are just looking to implement.
Are you the lead on this Overstock/XCP effort?
Or should this be taken to mean that no one need do anything since it has been done already 3 months ago.
1600  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread on: August 02, 2014, 03:41:21 PM
Is someone from this group taking the lead on working with Overstock?
They are looking to start a DEX and needing the howto.
It looks like it could be a good project for some of the folks here.

I know this is a couple news cycles behind, but curious.
https://o.info/index.php/Talk:How_to_issue_a_cryptosecurity
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