Tylko żeby ci nie strzelił do głowy pomysł kupowania meritów, wchodzenie w jakieś komitywy wymiany meritów itp. Wszyscy są tu na to wyczuleni, a niektórzy nawet bawią się w lokalnych detektywów i wyszukują takie akcje. Kończy się to obsmarowaniem konta w systemie trust i o jakiejkolwiek kampani można zapomnieć.

Dzięki za info.
Jestem zdziwiony, że to pierwszy bitcoin ETF spoza usa, bo kojarzyłem, że inne kraje już jakiś czas temu miały taką opcję, ale tak, masz rację, to pierwszy spot ETF, tamte to były futures ETF. Ale szukając info o tym trafiłem na taką ciekawostkę:

"Jacobi first won approval for the fund in October 2021 with plans to list it in 2022. However the firm opted to push back its plans due to the difficult crypto market conditions last year."
https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2023/08/15/first-mover-americas-hederas-token-gains-on-fed-move/

Hmm, czyli byli gotowi w 2022, ale przez bear market przenieśli start na teraz. Czyżby spodziewali się rajdu cenowego?

this could be true in 2017. Its 2023. My fully regulated broker, which I use to invest in foreign markets, offers CFDs on 150 cryptocurrencies. Plus500 (popular blrokers) offers 19 crypto pairs, you can buy crypto using your Revolut app or even paypal app. Microstrategy bought 1% of all bitcoins, tesla also had their bitcoin investment also without ETF. So retails don't need it so as institutions. I really can't image a person that see bitcoin pumping from 10k$ to 60k$ and don't buy because of the lack of bitcoin ETF.
I am aware that CFD and ETF are completely different, but in my opinion, if some retailer is not able to understand how to buy a real bitcoin and put it on the wallet, he probably does not know the difference between CFD and ETF

In my opinion, the introduction of ETFs will have a positive impact on the price, but much less than everyone expects.

You are confusing causation with correlation.

1- Bitcoin often trades in the opposite way to DXY (not to the dollar, because value of the dollar goes down every day, it never goes up). You can buy 50% less stuff than 20 years ago. Thats the dolar purchasing power chart:


2- DXY pumps when there is a panic in the market (no matter what it is caused by) and this causes investors to migrate from riskier assets to safer ones. therefore, they migrate from exotic fiat currencies to the dollar, sell shares on foreign markets, sell bitcoin. Thats the migration from risky assets to save assets not the migration from old money to new money.

Perfect chart to prove this point:


(Consumer Price Index for All Urban Consumers: Purchasing Power of the Consumer Dollar in U.S. City Average - ticker CUUR0000SA0R)

-45% in last 20 years.
-65% in last 40 years.
-90% in last 60 years.


Bitcoin is flat dead for last 5 months. Nothing to see here until we break 32k or 25k. Just random sideways movements.

oh, then it's great that I could meet you. So tell me, experienced investor, how do you justify the capitalization of $ 18 billion on this token? What userbase do you expect with this capitalization? what volumes/profits will the project generate then. And finally, what distinguishes this project from the 10,000 others listed on CMC that it deserves to be in the top 5? What is his technology so good at? and even if it is so unique, how sure are you that no one will come up with a better alternative until then?

Or maybe you just shill your bag?


-90% from ATH is what you call a "impressive"?

quantum computers are horrendously expensive and manufactured for specific tasks, and even with them they do not always achieve supremacy over a traditional supercomputer. Usually, when they manage to achieve it, with a specific task, the media is buzzing about it for several days. So imagine what a mess that is - a no-name company have access to quantum computing and AI to sell trading advices XD what a joke.


By promoting scam all around?

Serio? Nawet nie wiedziałem. Nie wiesz może jak to jest w przypadku mojej kampani albo innych kampani tego menegara?


Wydaje mi się, że jest to dobre rozwiązania podczas szukania kampanii dla siebie lub przy niskich rangach dla których nie ma rzadnych ofert. Przy wysokich rangach chyba lepsze pieniądze płacą kampanie

Nie ma nic takiego na ETH. Na ETH też jest staking, ale działa inaczej - nie redukuje fee a daje ci udział w fee, którzy płacą inni. Według tego źródła stakowanie ETH daje obecnie okolo 3.2% rocznie. Możesz sobie oszacować ile transakcji planujesz zrobić, ile to wyniesie w $ i podzielić przez 0.032 to mniej więcej tyle byś musiał zestakować by wyjść na zero. Jak jesteś traderem i robisz nawet marną 1 transakcje dziennie, to wychodzi mi na szybko 500 000 zł (przy średniej opłacie rzędu 10$ na transakcję, a powiem ci, że czasem koszt takiej transakcji potrafi skoczyć do 100$)

Czym tradujesz? bo wiele tokenów jest emitowanych również na BSC(binance smart chain z coinem BNB do opłat), a jak nie są tam emitowane, to często są zwrapowane. Płynność jest tam wystarczająca (transakcja kupna BTC za 1 mln $ przy slippage 0.23%), a opłata za pojedynczy swap wynosi około 0.1 - 0.6$, czyli na oko z 50 razy mniej.

edit: wracając jeszcze do TRX, to tam stakowanie redukuje fee, ale też nie daje ci darmowych transakcji bez limitu. Tam, w zależności od tego ile stakujesz, tyle masz dostępnych transakcji na dzień. Poza tym, nie ma tam swapów o dobrej płynności, a dostępność tokenów jest bardzo ograniczona (z 15 tokenów i to głównie dzieci trona).

You are righ untill you will be wrong. we are a moment after the bubble on meme coins. I personally know people who quit their jobs after the 2017 ICO bubble because they were so good at finding new ICOs. unfortunately then came 2018, 2019 and 2020 and their entire bag went to zero along with the DCA they did in 2018, 2019 and they put the family in debt.


it's definitely impossible, when creating a new scam coin to send $100 in it to some other address and in case of success have an blockchain proof for article right?


I trade altcoins too but I always try to find a real value and a price way below it. That's how i look for investment - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208144.msg53299809#msg53299809
This thread was made in 2019 when BNB was @15$. I prepared profit estimates in 2 ways, I calculated fundamental analysis indicators and compared them with nasdaq, I calculated the return on token ownership (called it "net dividend", rewards minus inflation on the token) and compared with what the competition offers.

You go with "ohh what a nice name ... yolo"

These are all paid articles with money raised from previous scams. You can publish any article you wont on sites like WSJ, cointelegrph, yahoo finance, marketwatch, bloomberg etc for less than 2000$. 1 article of this type costs $ 2,000 and the legend about it circulates for years.

besides, even if it's true that some retailer turned $100 into $10 million (which i doubt), it's a zero sum game. This is not a stock company share and return on investment comes from the product supplied and sold by the company to people willing to use it. If he get this, orthers had to lose it. meme coins are pure evil.


it's a free world and cexies are listing these coins because people want to trade them. It's not my job to write to the cex to give up profits at the expense of competitors (who will take those profits). My task is to inform people that playing with meme coins brings profits inadequate to the risks and harms the entire industry. So that they wouldn't want to touch that cesspool. Cexy will quickly delist projects that do not bring the expected volumes.

seriously? are you trying to undermine the fact that meme coins are evil incarnate that harms the entire industry by bringing here dogecoin and elon, who wrote a few tweets about it for a joke/price manipulation? Did you know that elon also wrote about cumrocket? did you know that elon has had many lawsuits from the SEC related to market manipulation. but okay if you want to talk about dogecoin, say what problems dogecoin solves and how much worse the world would be without it.
Dogecoin is a joke, but beware, unlike other memecoins, it was a joke told for the first time and thus it was a funny joke. And the fact that there were only a handful of altcoins on the market at the time (rather than 1.8 million today) made him unique in his approach. What can not be said about other meme coins.


I know this type of guy. This is a person who, playing roulette, also thinks that he knows what he is doing because he won 3 times in a row. Unfortunately, he loses everything in the next 2 throws. and why do I care about demonizing meme coins even though it's not my money that is being lost? because it's money that ends up in the hands of scammers and is used to make bigger scams. And everyone suffers from this, except for manufacturers of yachts and luxury watches.

There are facts and there are opinions. The sentence that meme coins are a scam, are created to extort money and harm the entire industry is a fact. meme coins don't produce anything, they don't solve anyone's problems don't develop the industry. Give one example that proves otherwise. The fact that someone once got lucky and made money on it is not proof that meme coins are good, because it is a zero-sum game (meaning someone else lost). In fact, it's not even a zero-sum game because the creator of the meme coin is cutting his cut. in most cases almost everything.


No one likes to be scammed, but you need to know what a scam is in order not to be scammed. Meme coins are scams. Gamble^2 because in normal gamble you can calculate odds of winning. here you don't know when scammers will rugpull all your money. You don't know how much you can win, you don't know what the odds of winning are, how big house edge is.

Unfortunately, the vision of quick profits attracts people and calling it "investing" or "trading" makes them let go of the brakes and so they would enter the casino with a maximum of $ 100 (because "its gambling and i'm not a gambler"), but they will go to look for meme coins with $10,000 (because "I'm investing now"), then do DCA with another $40 000 loosing family savings. Have you ever wondered what tragedies in many families meme coins creates? Have you ever wondered how many people have already committed suicide because of these scammers? "trying to find a new pepe fast" only gives them capital to make another scam with much better marketing, paid listing on bigger exchanges, more fake fallowers, more paid articles, more washtrading to show big volume etc.

therefore, in accordance with my conscience, I advise against meme coins whenever I can. You can write that "some people make money on it", but in my opinion its wrong. At the casino, some people also make money, moments before they lose everything. Only the casino is honest about its house edge. Memecoin scammers don't.

Dzięki za kolejne dobre tłumaczenie.

Proponuję też dodać link do twojego poprzedniego wątku z 6 odcinkami filmu dokumentalnego opowiadającego o bitcoinie i histori bitcoina.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5372241.0

Niestety nie jest to materiał po polsku, ale warte obejrzenia.

Robi wrażenie. 6$ to co najmniej 50% powyżej rynek plus fakt, że ma się pełną swobodę w pisaniu (brak minimum i wysokie maksimum). Chętnie bym doszedł do takiej kampani, ale obawiam się, że po 3-4 tygodniach się zawinie a ja zostanę na lodzie, a moja obecna kampania trwa już 177 tygodni (3 lata) i daje dobrą stabilność i obawiam się, że jak wyjdę to już nie wrócę.

Warto dodać, że w linkowanej kampani nie licza się posty napisane dalej niż 15 strona wątku.

Wrong. The best memecoin trading strategy is to not trade memecoins at all and stay away from anyone who is shilling memecoins. there are many wonderful things you can do with money. Filling the pockets of scammers in the hope of selling a hot potato quickly enough is not one of them. people should invest in innovative technologies or safe returns (dividend aristocrats) and not gamble with unknown probability of success/failure on meme coins.

I will repeat ad nauseam under every thread about meme coins until people stop talking about them, because in my opinion, trading this garbage hurts the entire industry by sucking capital from innovative technologies and ridiculing people investing here.

Dzięki za przeniesienie wątku do globalnej dyskusji:)

Temat się rozwija. Warto śledzić nowe wpisy adamscochran, bo nawet teraz, 4 godziny temu, Jusin przerzucił 200M USDT - dobrze, że tyle ma XD. Mnie dziwi, że na całość nie reguje token HT. Bo czym jest 3% spadek na tokenie, który i bez tego newsa jest 93% poniżej ATH.



Niebezpieczne są powiązania. Huobi zostało przejęte przez Justina Suna i pewnie to on będzie ścigany w przypadku upadku. Sun jest twórcą TRX i ma tam sporo władzy. Niektórzy twierdzą, że za dużo. A na tronie leży prawie połowa wszystkich tetherów. Oczywiście przy takim dymie tether by zainterweniował, ale zadyma byłaby ogromna.

Obecnie zmienność na tetherze przekracza normę. Nie jest to na razie alarmujące, ale zauważalne, bo w tym roku tether był taniej tylko 5x a FUDu było sporo.

That's what scalping is. arbitrage traders also gives the majority of their profits to exchanges to trade tiny spreads before others take them out, and yet I think its one of the most reliable strategy you can use if you have good algorithm.


But fee that exchanges takes depends on the position you take not the collateral you have. So if you open a 1000$ position with 100x leverage a fee is taken from 100 000$ position (for instance 0.075% *100 000$ = 75$). So leverage does not helps here.


Scalping is not risky because you are taking tiny profits or tiny loses. You can always stop if strategy is not profitable and you are consistently loosing.

it's a pity that 99% of youtubers and tiktokers don't create a similar way of thinking

x3 from the current price is not that far away. The flat earth comparison i did in previous post is a bit too strong here, because it's total absurdity, and 3x from the current price on bitcoin is possible. So Adam made this deal in my opinion - "i buy 100k subs for $300 with this action, if it fails, no one will remember it anyway, because it's almost a year from now. And if I succeed, he will get another 100k subs, 300$ and I'll be called an oracle"

maybe in a perfect world it would work like that. In the real world, any number you look at in the context of "very trendy socials" can be bought for dollars, making the success of the project dependent only on the capital that the scammer has and the experience in creating a scam (AKA how many scams he did before, and experience they make quickly, because some of them can create several scam projects a day).

edit: in a perfect world it doesn't work like that either, because in a perfect world there are no scamcoins (AKA meme coins). People invest in technology, sponsoring the development of the industry and sharing future profits instead of buying another yacht to scammers hoping to sell a hot potato before the rug pull.