the real satoshi knows the genesis coins cant move
moses lack of knowledge of this debunks himself (yet again)

@moses
how about take more time to learn bitcoin instead of pretending you are the inventor. it has never helped you to pretend to be the inventor because it keeps revealing how little you know about bitcoin

each time you pretend. it reveals how little you know about bitcoin. so stop that game. stop wasting months with games. and instead inspire yourself to use the time to actually learn about bitcoin

even if satoshi came back he has no back door or access or power over bitcoin and from his writings he did not want power(one of the reasons he left) so his presence wont mean anything.

after all not many people are excited about coblee real name announcement about making litecoin or buterin real life name announcement when making ethereum.. so its just a famous for 15 minute segment then people move on to discuss other topics

its like christmas.... months of anticipation and dreams and hopes for what will be unwrapped. and then 15minutes of unwrapping and its all over

if the fiat banking system offered a service to just swap $1k:$1k and called it 'a mixing service to hide your money transaction movements'.. guess what.. regulators would be watching it like a hungry hawk watches a mouse

just because something is "bitcoin" does not make mixing escape anti-laundering legislation/regulators.

too many people think 'if i just use a different currency, real world laws no longer apply' those people are called idiots

laws still apply, you are just trying to find new ways to evade being found sooner.. by thinking you are escaping laws. but all it is is delaying the inevitable

for centuries. fiat services that swap $1k:$1k are done but they do not advertise themselves as mixing services.. as that is stupid. they do things more subtly to have a legit explanation for why they used a service

EG people go to casinos and deposit dirty cash into poker chips and then withdraw clean fiat after (emphasis) presumably playing poker...
some buy art for cash and then sell it for cash.
some buy businesses for cash and then sell shares for cash

its not called a mixing service nor advertises itself as such. it advertises itself as a different function/service. but has a obvious side effect.

if idiots are too dumb to not know other methods to swap value without advertising their intent to swap value. then they deserve to be watched

if you lot cant get any hints for methods to truly hide your desires to launder money. then you really do deserve to be watched

if you cant get the hint. ill try to be clearer
make a service thats not advertising that its a laundering service but has the side effect of taking in value on one side and giving out other value on the other side. where by if your smart enough those that realise the benefits of such can use it . while having a legit excuse for why they used such a service

but for those who want to continue advertising mixing services and cry about not understanding why mixing services are watched more then regular services.. you will never find peace nor the escape of watchers you seek

virtual, digital, electronic are all synonyms of each other

crypto currency is a form of electronic/digital/virtual currency that uses cryptography to give it an extra layer of security

yes there are many types of spam

the main types are:
spending every block where funds just go back to self.
some call it address hopping/tumblers where someone wants to create enough taint jumps to appear that their funds are not associated with the same wallet, even though its just movements done with the same wallet with over XX+ different addresses of that same wallet

many out many in
this is where someone spends like 10,000sat+ to make 100 outputs+ of 100sat+. and then spend said 100+utxo of 100sat+ to combine it back to 10,000sat+... and repeat
where its obviously not being done to pay 100+ random people. but done instead just to coinsplit-coinjoin

sending dust amounts
these are the transactions that send dust/useless amounts to famous addresses

bloat transactions
making large transactions that have no reason for being so large EG ordinal memes or op_returns that have nothing to do with ownership transfer and just about publishing dead weight data of no use for bitcoin

right now the most spammy situation we are dealing with is the ordinal meme spam

its not just having the bloat on the blockchain. its that at the PRE-BLOCK zero confirm relay. these bloated tx are filling mempools amd causing other transactions of low fee to get dropped by peoples mempools thus causing everyone else to pay more just to even get left in mempool and relayed around the network to eventually land in a block

no one on the planet this month can even mine for less than $18k.. so right now no one is foolish to sell significant amount of coins to push the price below $18k let alone $15k
(unless something epicly disastrous occurs)

that said everyone on the planet can mine for less than $120k so no one will want to buy for $1m any time soon

the window of speculative opportunity this quarter for the spot markets is ~$18k-$118k

within that window, where the price may move next is a guess.. but the number will be within that range

as for nuttys apple narrative

the analogy is more like

nuttys girlfriend who is a apple farmer etched/carved a dickpic into the bark of an apple tree. and then plucked a couple apples off the tree and gave them to a couple people and said one of you owns the dick etch..
saying how the seed of the apple proves the dick etching..

but it does not. there is no dick etch reference in the dna of the apples seed nor does the apples show proof of one or the other being an owner of the tree let alone the etching.. neither of either holders of an apple proves which apple holder is the owner of the etching in the mother tree.. infact no matter what the apple farmer says.. the etching is still stuck on the mother tree on the farm. and does not move

the apple farmer may say person A owns it. but can easily without asking for proof of apples. say B owns it tomorrow because there is nothing in the apples to say otherwise

....
the protocol sets the blockdata and the blockdata proves the protocol
thus the block data stops random idiots from changing the protocol so easily

but caseys ordinals does not have any proof of transfer on the blockdata to lock in the code. thus the code can change..

so save having to repeat the obvious in many posts becasue nutty cant quite grasp reality/logic.. ill just say it a couple times in this post..

if nutildah wants to remain ignorant.. thats up to him

funny part is nutildah cant even answer the question i last asked about the human readable transaction example i gave

which reveals alot about stuff nutildah cannot understand so avoids discussing

caseys ordinals scheme does not have the blockdata proof... it only has one side. the edicable code.... and because its not locked by block data to enforce/ensure the code stays inline. the code can change with an easy decision, pretty much one line of code change

atleast learn the purpose of a blockchain. and how important the blockchain is to a successful economic syste

i know you fangirl over systems without blockchain. but your fangirling insecure stuff

try to learn the purpose of blockchains and the symbiosis between protocol and blockdata
learn which proves which and which restricts which

learn the function of each...

then you will realise is something is not enforced by valid data. then the rules can change without playing with data. meaning the rules are not immutable. the rules are just crappy decisions that can change

rules that can change so easily is a bad system.
rules that are not even rules is a broke system
casey can easily change the code to display different owners by changing one line of code. thats how broke it is. because the rules are not protected or enforced nor proven in blockchain data

if a bank told you to put gold in a vault. but then didnt give you a key or a receipt or any contract to prove the gold is yours.. ,,, guess what its no longer your gold. you have no proof

you can try writing your own code to pretend that it shows something. but if there is no real world data to back it up.. even a court will laugh at you for your failed attempt..

bitcoins PRICE is volatile but bitcoin has a economic number of value that sits below the markets which is less volatile.
an international currency will always have a speculative PRICE because different countries have different underlying costs..
speculation/volatility can be quietened down very easily by having markets performed certain tasks. EG wall street markets have "circuit breakers" that prevent a price moving by too many percent in one session.

network can handle more then you think. but some dont wont bitcoin to perform all users needs. becasue it does not make profit for greedy middlemen. and so they want to hamper bitcoins network utility to push people into other systems to pay middle men for processing it.

if you live in an area where you cannot buy things with bitcoin. dont see it as a flaw. see it as a opportunity. you can start offering services in your area.
bitcoin is not AI. it neds its users to do things. this includes setting up businesses. you will not see a robot called bitcoin get on a plane, come to your town and set up a business. so if you are waiting for bitcoin to go mainstream in your town. you have not understood who should be doing what in your town.. so if something is lacking in your town. take the opportunity, and provide that thing

regulations are not about the unit or product being controlled/chased. its about the people and businesses. same goes for everything. regulators dont chase drugs, they chase the dealers. alcohol prohibition did not chase the beer. it chased the distillery owners and bar owners

electric cars will use more power then bitcoin. if electric is the new bad. then whats the point in the environmental activists promoting electric cars. dont they know where the power of EV's is coming from.


bitcoin never leaves the bitcoin network.
talking about other networks (which have bad pegging mechanisms) is not talking about scaling bitcoin
there are many subnetworks that have their own pegged units.. heck there are a couple with more pegged value than lightning.. yep lightning is flawed and not popular and wont actually scale due to other liquidity issues..
but the subnetwork units are not bitcoin units. their transfer/payment code/data is not understood by the bitcoin network nor is their unit of measure.. do not confuse the bitcoin network with these other networks.. because its just as bad as pretending a CEX is the bitcoin network.
an onion payment(data thats passed between nodes) is not bitcoin data

blockstream and sister companies chaincode labs and brinks do not seed-fundraise hundreds of millions for nothing. most of the wannabe fangirls are not getting a share of promoting blockstream products because they are still penny pinching sig-spam crap for less than minimum wage of western countries
(if they were successfully paid in salary terms they would not need to be scraping the bottom of the income barrel for small income)

those in the merit cycle game get paid to rent their avatar out, again for less than minimum wage..

both of which shows they are not getting a satisfactory salary to not need to be penny pinching/advertising risky systems, scams and things that get people in trouble

heres an idea for you..

look at the blockchain data. not your ordinal website descriptions

have a really good look at the blockchain data and notice how there is no proof of transfer

.. yes your idols website can say any BS it likes but if you look at the blockchain data. you will notice the websites description is the BS

i can say that a particular output is actually the moon coded into astronomical significance of charting the movements of the moon. but then reading the actual blockchain data you will see its not

what casey says in his websites and code. does not compute to what is actually proven in blockchain data.

here is an another idea
(human readable version)

1Dumbguynutty 0.0000101 -> 1Dumbguynutty 0.00001
{meme included in witness}

1Dumbguynutty 0.00001 -> 1Dumbguynutty 0.000003
                                          1Dumbguycasey 0.000003
                                          1Dumbguycrapy 0.000003

without anything but reading the transaction. can you see any proof in the transaction that PROVES that the meme has moved to any other person. and shows proof of which person it goes to.... no? well thats the problem your ignoring

there is a MASSIVE difference between what is said and seen at software GUI level vs what is immutable and proven at blockchain level

if you cant tell the difference. thats your problem

you have know clue about proof of transfer
it does not have proof of transfer on the blockchain.. its just pretending to have PoT at the GUI level of code. not hard data

the output number can be changed at code level without breaking blockchain data because the blockchain data does not include references to LINK/chain ownership together

image i made an ascii ordinal meme with just "idiot" in the creation tx.  there is no subsequent reference in any child/descendant tx that PROVES the ownership transfer went to any particular output

one other thing to note
if you were so rich from selling ntf. you would not need to penny pinch sig-spam the forum, so the need for you to sig-spam this forum shows your not successful financially

i can understand a noob needing to sig spam because they are starting up, are new. yet you, being here a few years still are penny pinching, which shows alot about your lack of successes


i know your scared that once people wise up and realise they paid for something that the original owner did not give them and thus may cause those scammed buyers to come calling for refunds or at worse suing you and your friends that adore these crap memes.. but maybe take the opportunity to not promote them and stop scamming people to reduce the headaches later


funny thing is there is a easy way to create a proof of transfer method, without changing code.. yet ordinals does not use it meaning all them memes are scams

and if you cant figure out a way to create a proof of transfer mechanism, it shows you have no clue about the requirements of a proof of transfer

yep this forum category is not for coming up with critical proposals that get implemented. its not cores github and god-mode achow ensures only those ass kissing cores existing roadmaps get discussed in this forums D&T category

this "bitcoin discussion" category is a discussion forum category to make OTHER people aware of things about bitcoin

if core devs need to rely on this forum category to find out about exploits they caused. we really are in trouble..

its about informing everyone else of dev exploits and problems

the devs have their own hierarchical platforms for them to discuss what plans they have for what they want bitcoin to do next. and those platforms are highly moderated,

so yes for critical proposals, this forum is a collapsing thought bubble

but as a source of information for the crowd, its a growing platform

i know people think twitter is the main source for information. but there is a heck of alot more social drama and ICO scamming and fake narrative games played on twitter than here

twitter is the advert for the noobs to first hear about bitcoin. they then come here for the information,, and then if they kiss enough roadmap applicable ass they can then get recruited/evolve into being allowed to converse with the devs in an echo chamber of single mindedness development

oh and yes i do agree there is like 12 ass-kissing wannabe fangirls of core on this forum that idolise these exploits and defend devs.. but are not successfully getting recruited into being their official PR team because they are still penny pinching for income via sig spamming or merit cycling each other

but with all that said. this forum is a discussion/talk forum. where yes we are free to discuss complaints. because complaints are not allowed in the actual dev platform. they don not want or like to be scrutinised in their moderated platform. (they have a kiss ass only echo chamber) which is another flaw they caused to themselves

anything can be a currency. couples trade sex for birthday gifts. neighbours trade beer for loaning lawnmowers. you name it anything can be currency

bitcoin is a currency. and its international.. thus its already a world currency.

as for being a world legal tender "money" which countries endorse and allow for purchase of all goods in all merchants. that is a different thing

merchants can decide for themselves if they want to accept any form of currency. but to have laws then entice and require merchants to accept a certain currency. will be limited to countries with no real self sovereign currency of their own. whom want to escape the controls of another countries dominance

EG in africa USD and euro dominate many african countries more than their native currency. so some countries may want to escape the dominance that puts their native economics at risk

i doubt large western/developed countries like the EU or US will stop having their own currency and using bitcoin as a replacement. so no bitcoin wont REPLACE USD
but people are still free to use bitcoin as a second CHOICE. and thats the purpose of bitcoin. to hedge against fiat, not replace it

bitcoin spot market moves inside a window of value:premium

the value is the most efficient method of acquiring bitcoin on the planet. which is the most efficient miner on the planet
the premium is the most inefficient method which is the most costly mining on the planet

right now this window is a bottom and top potential of Q1 2023 of $18k-$118k

if everyone on the planet can mine bitcoin for less then $118k no one would really want to buy bitcoin for more.
its standard economic psychology

EG if everyone can mine gold in their own back yard for $200 with a spoon and coffee filter.. no one would want to buy gold for $1800

EG retailer sell cucumbers for $1 and people can grow their own for $3.. no one would buy cucumber for $30

the reason why gold is at $1800 is because the cost range of mining gold is $1k-$2k

for bitcoin to reach a possible $1m.. it requires the window to 9x to allow such a number of $1m to even be in the range of people thinking its worth it

and im sorry to say a window top of more then $1m to allow a market ATH of $1m is not happening in the next 90 days

though $100k is possible in 90 days if speculation went high

the "greed index" is not a good metric

for instance looking at the exchanges volume.. it has actually gone DOWN each day of the last 4 days.
thus less people are trading

the greed index just greenlights the price if the price goes up.. but here is the thing. people do not buy whole coins. thus the price does not have to increase by more people buying whole coins

we can have days where 1000 people an hour buy coin at 1btc each of $27.5k,  in fiat increments +$1 where by after an hour the price increase by $1000 ($28.5k)

however people can fear the market and only want to trade $275 each for 0.01 instead of $27.5k for 1btc
but they can move their orders by $0.02 meaning after an hour of 1000 orders. the new price is $295 for 0.01 which equates to $29.5k for 1 btc thus the price moves up faster/by more. even though those 1000 people are more fearful and spending less per order

a good fear index is by taking order history of unit purchases and average out how much people actually spend per order. and linking it to the volume to actually see if there are more orders of more fiat being willing to be spent

bitcoin.. the bitcoin network is real store of wealth that CANT be taken off the network, nor away from the owner, because bitcoin has a good private key/signing policy, bitcoin is safer then banks..(as long as you dont share/give away/leave open for someone to find your private key)

however when it comes to subnetworks that allows other unit balance without Xconfirms. is where fractional reserve occurs again because as one flaw, the pegging mechanisms of subnetworks are not strong.. as another flaw the ability to create balance using fake/non existent or unconfirmed funding locks allows fractional reserve/counterfeiting/ loss of value games to be played

so this is why people that want safe secure value should stick to only using the bitcoin network and request that the bitcoin network scales. instead of using the abusive subnetworks that pretend to have the same security as bitcoin

there is a big reason why blockchains solves things which other "digital money" doesnt solve. so yes bitcoin solves this, as long as people dont then start using bitcoin as the staging system to then use other systems like centralised custodians or badly conceived subnetworks

smart/established businesses set up multiple accounts where each department gets its own budget. where by funds are separated and accounted for separately thus reducing risk

silly start-ups grab cash from investors and co-mingle it all into one account even if they are running different projects/brands

speaking just about bitcoin retailed employment
its not just about the 6 main god-mode devs of core.. there is alot more opportunity


there are 100k towns/cities in america
even if there was just 1 "bitcoin" shop in each town. that would create 300k extra jobs
(small retailers have ~3 employees minimum)

however some stores could be bigger stores, meaning more employees or have several stores/kiosks per large city.. so 300k employees is the minimum gain

then that can also create more jobs in regards to the products made to be sold in a store

bitcoin themed clothing can start a new fashion business with many people sewing fashion items
other novelty items. much like how the tourist industry create jobs of people making novelty items of flags and mugs.

just like there are phone screen repairers and laptop repairers. new industry of local asic repairers. hard wallet repairers

then there could be much like the real estate and courts have law specialists. there could be crypto specialists giving tax and financial advice. a new accountant sector

then there are devs, and software integration/ front end specialists

educators. advisers. employers. portfolio managers. traders

lets just say it can be done one of two ways

tip: there is a hint in what i have said. ill let you try and work it out

its not about push data's or opreturns or bloat in witness. ill let you work out where the reference would go and can be proven in transfers

fiat money began as a receipt of a gold vault. where people traded receipts(bank notes) to later reclaim gold via whomever was holding the bank note
each bank note had equal gold amount in a bank 1:1

gold prices rose meaning the banks could sell some gold but still have some 1:1 balance between bank  notes and gold value.. .. until gold prices dropped, where there was not enough gold in the banks to cover deposit bank note amounts

instead of banks buying gold again to correct the problem. they instead depegged the gold:bank note amount

it was the de-pegging of these receipts:gold due to what i just said, that started the ball rolling.

it allowed banks to generate bank notes without hoarding equal gold. then more fractional reserving, then more then more.
then just completely uncontrolled printing money without caring about reserves of even customer bank balances

yep there is no limit on printing associated with bank 'value' holdings

which then hurts bank customers when the game flips upside down and when people want their value out. the bank system just doesnt have real value to give them

things should go back to assets which have a true cost of production (gold/bitcoin(PoW)/rare minerals)

a big issue i always see in these debates are:
1. the bitcoin hashing electric estimates in the examples like the one i quoted.. are extremely high compared to reality, its like they think majority of network are still using bad inefficient hardware made in 2016 but used in 2021-23.. (facepalm)

2. nothing is mentioned about how much electric would have been used if there was no asic evolution. EG how much electric would be needed if the network was still ~320exa but done via CPU..
not many people mention how asics have saved alot of electric

3. altcoins like ethereum only have a crowd of 400,000 thus their CPU validation costs give a ethereum minting value at $35/coin
imagine if ethereum have 100million users.. (250x electric cost)
yep the cpu usage power of validators would exceed the 2mill bitcoin asic usage..

if ethereum ever got as popular as bitcoin. but stuck at CPU IN-EFFICIENCY ethereum would waste more electric per eth of their 'validator' stake system