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4041  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Yep.. BU absolutely definitely possibly maybe ready for prime time.. on: April 25, 2017, 02:28:35 PM
Lumping BU and segwit together in that same sentence is a terrible mistake. Segwit has 100x more coders that worked and tested it, and it has been LIVE on testnet for a very long time now, having received 1000s of times more testing than BU has. There is no "rush" with segwit. It was developed slowly and meticulously, and has been audited and tested by many very capable coders. The same can NOT be said about BU.

until last month when gmax found out his going soft approach Luke JR promoted wasnt as soft as he thought because gmax found out only last month that it ran into compatibiliy issues with ASICS that PRE-DATE segwit code.

also last year it took months to convince devs and get passed their ego's about the anyonecanspend. but instead of writing a version that would have been a full network upgrade and an oppertunity to add real features in. they continued as is and done a work around by telling people not to use segwit wallets until long after activation (killing part of their backward compatibility promise) and also by reinforcing their control of a tier network by making older nodes to be downstream of the network.

making segwit such a cludgy bit of code with no promises. just 'expectations' and many if's and maybe's
4042  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Yep.. BU absolutely definitely possibly maybe ready for prime time.. on: April 25, 2017, 02:17:19 PM
er..so the bitcoin core guys can't get a roundtable together
Correct. Bitcoin Core as a singular entity does not exist. Nobody who contributes to Bitcoin Core can sign/agree to anything on behalf of Bitcoin Core.

liar lair lair
there are atleast 2 round tables a year (ofcourse they are closed door meetings by invite only.. where the main devs and their corporate sponsors plan the roadmaps)

stop trying to brush that crap under the carpet.

the "independent" devs can only request a bip. but its the main devs paid for by blockstream that are the gate keepers of what gets accepted or not

look at the bips.. Luke JR
look at the mailing list .. rusty russel
look at the tech discussion board here gmax

then when it comes to actual code. if gmax or the other paid devs find any reason to nACK a idea.. forget any chance of convincing them otherwise

lauda will you stop wearing the blockstream defender cap, thinking they should own bitcoin. and start wearing a bitcoin cap.
you know the one that thinks about bitcoin over the next few decades and not blockstreams 2-5year plan

you can pretend all you like that blockstream and their interns are independent. but its plain to see that if any of the devs did go independent they would get rekt.

4043  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Yep.. BU absolutely definitely possibly maybe ready for prime time.. on: April 25, 2017, 10:53:58 AM
Hmm..

Franky1 - We ALL want multiple implementations of the same protocol. I agree. Healthy.

We don't want multiple competing protocols. That would be madness.

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What I find very hard to swallow.. is that BU does not fork the VERY LATEST STABLE VERSION OF CORE.. and then add the ~100 lines of code that change it into BU.. Then patches can still be added to both, etc etc etc..

It's really that simple, and the fact that they don't do that.. is what upsets me.. and makes me think they are morons. I can't condone the Bitcoin network being run by morons. That's going to end in disaster.

bitcoin is bitcoin

CORE should not own bitcoin!!!!

NO ONE should own bitcoin
we should not be blindly following core and only doing what core want. not until atleast core independent devs get rid of their dependency on being goverend and moderated and gatekeepered by blockstream.

that way the independent core devs can happily help out the rest of the community without fear of getting REKT

what would be rational is this
ALL implementations. including core should have versions of highly discussed and popular bips.

EG
btcd (wrote in go) should have 3 versions A dynamic. B twomerkle segwit. C dynamic and one-merkle segwit
core  should have 3 versions  A dynamic. B twomerkle segwit. C dynamic and one-merkle segwit
bu  should have 3 versions one dynamic. A dynamic. B twomerkle segwit. C dynamic and one-merkle segwit
(i could list more 'brands' but you get the idea)

where all brands help each other out to write the best versions possible. no brand camping..no REKT, no pointing fingers

and none of them activate the new "protocol" until there is high majority of the community accepting a favourite 'protocol'
this would be done by both a node consensus followed by a pool consensus.

that way its no longer about giving control to any brand because each brand offer the same 'protocol' choice
4044  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Fake Blockchain Conference on: April 25, 2017, 08:00:01 AM
there have both in fiat and crypto been many scammers setting up fake events and getting people to buy tickets for things that will not happen.

google things like timeshare scams.
google things like fake conferences

now there are things to look out for.
when you notice a conference, there are usually details of where it will be held so that people can book their travel arrangements. use thse details to check if the event is even listed at the location and then check who to contact about the event, to ensure your handing funds to the real organisers.

because its not just about pretending to offer a conference that does not exist. but also phishing to pretend to be the official organiser/ticket seller of conferences that do exist.

this has even been the case for things like the olympics where fake ticket sellers prtend they are the official olympic organisers
4045  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Yep.. BU absolutely definitely possibly maybe ready for prime time.. on: April 25, 2017, 07:21:59 AM
This just goes to show that we should not rush into options such as BU and segwit.

Just imagine what would happen if we rushed to implement bitcoin unlimited and this happened, the price would drop significantly. Hopefully we will see a permanent fix for this in the future because this is the third instance of this happening. The numbers should be back up soon but the coders need to fix whatever bug is causing this, It's the third or fourth time that I've seen this since February.

the issue is not about segwit vs BU

the big picture is peer network vs tier network
(because segwit 'features' are empty gestures... the only long term network wide effect of segwit is the tier network)
then below that

dynamic blocks less reliant on dev control vs segwit reliant on dev control

there are MANY implementations out there, not 2. but the reddit crowd are only mentioning 2 because they want to make it sound like an election for who controls bitcoin. by making people think there are only 2 options to choose from.

the reality should be to realise that there are a dozen different implementations at the moment. and where the diversity allows a proper independent choice of brand. where by the rules upgrade only when the majority of the community can find something they can all agree on.

and to keep our mind open to a diverse decentralised peer network, rather then a dependant tier network. this prevents any brand from doing a half assed gesture of temporary drama of features that wont actually meet expectations

if your first thought is to attack anything thats not core. then its time to stand back and ask yourself are you defending the code or the devs.
in short.. if all the lines of code were the same. would your stance change if say hearne wrote segwit

bitcoin is code. if you prefer to only care about the devs that can come or go.. rather then what could happen to bitcoin in the next 120 years, then stand back and spend a few minutes thinking about things

4046  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Yep.. BU absolutely definitely possibly maybe ready for prime time.. on: April 24, 2017, 08:49:26 PM
fail to mention another bug.

https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/labels/Bug

4047  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Yep.. BU absolutely definitely possibly maybe ready for prime time.. on: April 24, 2017, 06:57:19 PM
and why the only brand that has not crash from 2013 is Bitcoin core and why is the majority of the network? Bitcoin is an open source code and anyone can participate from it. In open source if you dont agree with the road of a project you just fork off from it. Is that simple. But i dont think you know about what is open source.
Are you a mac or windows closed source fanboy?

open source even in gmaxwells words means you can read the source but does not mean millions of people can edit it without the blockstream gate keeper.

anyone seen "forking off" from the blockstream gatekeeper and moderators get REKT and insulted

what should happen is the independent devs should be free to help out with any/all implementations. not be dependent on one implementation.
as thats the titanic/banks too big to fail mindset

4048  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Yep.. BU absolutely definitely possibly maybe ready for prime time.. on: April 24, 2017, 06:47:22 PM
and what is this "Big Picture" ? An unstable blockchain system that crash every month?

hello
wake up

if there was only one brand then there would be crashes..
please learn the consensus of a DIVERSE DECENTRALISED PEER NETWORK
4049  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Yep.. BU absolutely definitely possibly maybe ready for prime time.. on: April 24, 2017, 06:40:33 PM
if you not payed for what you do then you do something wrong and you must contact Roger Ver asap Cheesy

funny part is that my opinions are about not any dictatorship.
i want diverse decentralised peer network

many have tried and failed to put me into one brand or another but they are not seeing the big picture.
all they see is "who does/should own bitcoin". they can never actually imagine a network owned by no group

i am going to laugh when blockstream jumps over to litecoin or hyperledger once they have finished messing with bitcoin

my mindset is on the next 120 years of bitcoin. not any particular brand and especially not a particular brand that has so much banscore code and block snobbery about version rather than validity
4050  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 4th Major Crash Bug Exploit on BU on: April 24, 2017, 06:30:30 PM
Also no, we don't need a lot of different clients to "diversify the network", the different versions running at the same time are enough. Satoshi was against anything that wasn't the Satoshi client for a reason.

EG lets say there was a bug in version 0.3 of core.. and 0.4 and 0.5 and 0.6 and 0.7...
but doesnt trigger until 0.8
oh wait that happened in 2013

imagine if..
all the network had was
core v0.13.x core v.014.x core v.15.x next year and there was a bug in all 3

think about it
4051  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Yep.. BU absolutely definitely possibly maybe ready for prime time.. on: April 24, 2017, 06:26:41 PM

530 nodes affected..
vs thousands of core nodes affected in 2013..

OP's link atleast needs to try better and be accurate, otherwise it just becomes a biased narrative
4052  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 4th Major Crash Bug Exploit on BU on: April 24, 2017, 05:56:44 PM
out of this entire topic there seems to be only one post that is seeing the big picture

Yeah we should definitely diversify so if one type of node is full of bugs and crashes all of a sudden the entire network doesn't go under.
The network is already diversified:
if core was humans.. it would be called several generations of imbreds

lol i think you need to learn diversity. you know totally different groups/families with different genetic makeup (code/language) all co-existing

and as for lauda
While franky1 continues to shill for the disaster that is BU, we are back to this again:

your the one that mentions BU in nearly every topic. you keep failing to pigeon hole me into one brand. because i am not someone that wants just one brand..
while i try to talk about diverse decentralised bitcoin peer network that way it minimises risks

EG lets say there was a bug in version 0.3 of core.. and 0.4 and 0.5 and 0.6 and 0.7...
but doesnt trigger until 0.8
... oh wait that happened..
and that was not just a 5 minute bit of comedy/drama..

now imagine if there was btcd (written in go) and other implementations that didnt have the berkeley db...
we would not have had much of an issue in 2013 as what actually happened.

please dont have the blockstream defender hat on and scream KNOTS because that too is blockstream.. im talking real diversity..

even to the point of where the devs allowed users to set their own settings at runtime to not be spoon fed from the same group of devs.
= real independence and diversity.

seriously, take just a 10 minute break from the keyboard and remove your blockstream adoration cap.. and think critically about bitcoin 120 years
not blockstreams next 3 years.

devs come and go. and kissing one butt cheek will leave u lonely when they retire, get bored, or move onto something else.
think beyond blockstream and think about bitcoin
4053  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 4th Major Crash Bug Exploit on BU on: April 24, 2017, 12:15:00 PM
And despite so many core implementations out there, no instances of crashes taking down large numbers of any version of them. The stability record of core is exemplary.
thats the titanic, big bank "too big to fail" mindset... especially ignoring past fails to pretend it will never fail

2013 leveldb transition
now imagine if in 2013 there were implementations wrote in Go and other implementations that had other databases that would not have been hit by the berkely locks

the implementations running non-berkely db's would have been fine and that includes the one running Go too and only the small amount using the old Berkeley with the lock problem would have been held up

4054  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 4th Major Crash Bug Exploit on BU on: April 24, 2017, 12:11:30 PM
It is already diversified with actually safe-to-run code:


Among a few other thing such as Knots.

all nodes you highlighted are all blockstream managed..
yep knots=blockstream too
=not true diversity, just pretend diversity

your still not seeing the big picture
4055  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 4th Major Crash Bug Exploit on BU on: April 24, 2017, 12:02:56 PM
out of this entire topic there seems to be only one post that is seeing the big picture

Yeah we should definitely diversify so if one type of node is full of bugs and crashes all of a sudden the entire network doesn't go under.

But if one type of node is full of bugs, why would you want to run it anyway?  Huh

its about some people thinking core should be king. or thinking th debate is only about BU vs core and who gts to be king

there should be no king. just a diverse decentralised peer network
meaning
lots of "brands" all uniting with a consensus of rules they all follow

that way we dont have a issue with core should they have a bug (EG 2013 leveldb would not have been such a drama event) because there would be other brands keeping core the network alive while core sort out their implementation

that way we dont have a issue with BU should they have a bug (EG assert drama event) because there would be other brands keeping the network alive while BU sort out their implementation

trying to get everyone using just one implementation is where attacks externally can cause mega issues, and dictators internally can cause mega issues
4056  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 4th Major Crash Bug Exploit on BU on: April 24, 2017, 11:53:14 AM
out of this entire topic there seems to be only one post that is seeing the big picture

Yeah we should definitely diversify so if one type of node is full of bugs and crashes all of a sudden the entire network doesn't go under.

4057  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: less wild fluctuation? is bitcoin bemome more mature? on: April 24, 2017, 07:18:15 AM
you can't compare the growth of an altcoin which have a lower marketcap with bitcoin, altcoin are more prone to 5x 10x oincrease, also the increase of these two alt you mentioned was due to bitcoin price decrease, therefore this point is moot

i don't think either that bitcoin is mature, this value is nothign special, to have maturity you ned greater stability and to have stability, you like it or not you need greater value

also you cant compare any coin based on market cap..
market cap is a bubble number.
we all know how easy it is to move a price.. and multiplying that easily movable price by the amount of coins in circulation becomes manipulatable to the  XXXXXXXXXXXXX multiple.

EG i can make an alt with 5trillion coins, and just put 1 coin in an exchange and sell it to myself for $1, to set a coin price to $1
now the market cap is $5trillion
4058  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Was it really possible for Bitfinex to amass $65m from their issued tokens? on: April 24, 2017, 07:00:36 AM
bitfinex did not get $65m from exchange fee profits.

they grabbed funding from https://bnktothefuture.com


42.66m=$54.5m

and now using that to pay out to users in debt

but taking from peter to pay paul is also known as a ponzi. so dont think that bitfinex's finances/drama is over anytime soon
4059  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: less wild fluctuation? is bitcoin bemome more mature? on: April 24, 2017, 06:13:09 AM
bitcoin prices are not stable. from my view its the lack of spending on exchanges due to lack of trust of exchanges



we are no longer in the days where people are spending $10k per orderline
note above is bitfinex which is having some fiat issues hence the  price being $100 higher than other exchanges

but here are some other exchanges showing recent (only a few minutes old at time of posting) under $500 to move the bitcoin price up or down by $1-$3

4060  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Stable BitCoin on: April 24, 2017, 05:47:33 AM
out of all the answers so far, this guy has the closest

more resistance while going in both directions!
that means there should be a lot more adoption, a lot more users and the exchanges have to grow quite a bit. not just have such a thin orderbook which can be dumped into or bought to push the price up with a couple of thousands of dollars. and there needs to be more exchanges just as big, spread around and disconnected from each other.
and yes it is possible, and it is happening. you can compare the days of Mt Gox with 75% of volume with nowadays with exchanges having barely 10% of trading volume.


why.
well ill quote something i noticed last month. about how easy it was to move the price up or down by $1-2, without it costing millions of dollars

(note trades measured in mBTC (0.001btc)

less than $302(324mbtc) to drop the price from $935 to $933
yep $302 to make the market cap change by $32,470,200.00

then ~$50(54mbtc) to ramp the price from $933 to $935
yep $50 to make the market cap change by $32,470,200.00

edit, i just checked the prices again

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