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341  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 04, 2022, 04:36:19 PM
$40k today bitches  Cool

This ain't ant pump, bitches!  Grin Grin Grin
342  Economy / Speculation / Re: Second Largest DeFi Hack Ever on: February 03, 2022, 09:31:49 AM
I swear these EthTards just can't code!

I really can't wait until it goes fuill retard with the Piece of shit protocol and implodes.



Quote
In Second Largest DeFi Hack Ever, Blockchain Bridge Loses $320M Ether

The network has over $1 billion in total value locked and supports six blockchains: Terra, Solana, Ethereum, Binance Smart Chain, Avalanche and Polygon


https://blockworks.co/in-second-largest-defi-hack-ever-blockchain-bridge-loses-320m-ether/
It is funny that most peeps think that eth team consists of skilled and high level programmers. In reality they are just a bunch of enthusiasts. So many hacks, forks, bugs, high fees, sidechains, testnets failures, etc. And Vitalik mocking the high fees of Bitcoin is the cherry of the cake. The only good thing is that the hash functions are relatively asic resistant, which allows mining Bitcoin with gpus. No wonder they hate the miners and since the creation of eth devs promise the switch to POS. Which someone noted here stands for proof of shit. Grin
343  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 01, 2022, 03:39:13 PM
Perhaps the paper hands who sold twice in the last year at a loss are starting to feel again the urge to FOMO back in. "Third time is a charm" they say. As the train is leaving the station, the peeps waiting for <30K are scratching their heads. "What if this was the bottom and the thrain never returns to this station again?" - this thought is haunting their minds. (Biting nails and resisting the urge to buy higher than the sold price. Calculating the missed profits day after day. Until one day the FOMO urge is so strong that they succumb to the temptation and press the buy button. Usually this happens after several months of new ATHs. And the buy trade is made just a few hours before the next correction starts, which brings the FUD again and the next registered 30%+ sell loss is the final result.) This is the short story how some get poor by trading, because they are led by their love for fiat and lack of understanding for Bitcoin.  Wink
344  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 29, 2022, 01:52:23 PM
And I thought 48K was boring.  Huh
345  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 26, 2022, 12:56:17 PM
There is something that bothers me for some time. If someone knows the answers, it would be nice to share them. It is about the derivate markets. It is clear that the cash settled futures contract divert money from acutal invesment in Bitcoin, thus creating an artificial paper liquidity. My quiestion is whether what is happening on the derivate exchanges can lead to a pump/dump of the spot exchanges? It is supposed that derivate exchanges follow the spot exchanges with their index price, not vice  versa, but is this the reality? I have the gut feeling that the spot exchange traders look at the derivate exchanges and if they see a dump there, they also sell. Which is illogical especially for the cash settled contracts. Because nobody can transfer a paper bitcoin and sell it on a spot exchange. But the daily traders have proved many times they have no clue about... anything, even basic math. Also, I wonder if Binance has a physical futures contracts like bakkt,  because a lot of derivate trade is going on there lately and it seems to has an impact on the spot price.

Can paper derivatives effect the underlying? Yes. Can it get to the point where the tail's wagging the dog? Possible, and therere examples in history when that happened, but i don't believe that it's happening with BTC.

Just a hypothetical, lets image you have 100.000 cash settled futures contracts which you got at an average price of $40.000/BTC, they expire today and lets say they use exchange's XYZ spot as a reference rate.
Imagine that current spot on XYZ is $37.500.
1-You don't do anything, Futures settle at $37,5k, you loose $2.500 per contract so you're down $250MM total. That sucks!

2-You look at XYZ and notice that the ask side of the book is pretty thin, you estimate that there will only be BTC5.000 for sale between $37,5k and $42,5k. You transfer $200MM to XYZ and buy everything in sight until $42.5k.
=You're successful and price closes at $42,5k. You're up $2,5k per contract or $250M from futures, but you bought BTC5k for $200MM, so you end up with $50MM and BTC5k profit.
=You're not successful and market actually moves against you and settles at $35k. You lost $500MM on futures, and paid $200M for BTC5k which are now only worth $175MM. -525MM REKT

And it works the other way around. If you sold futures, and then try to short the spot to bring it down so you're more profitable.

Problem is you need to corner the market to be able to pull this off, and there are always bigger whales. Futures platforms are not that dumb too, so theyre using weighted averages across multiple exchanges as a reference rate https://www.cmegroup.com/trading/cryptocurrency-indices/cf-bitcoin-reference-rate.html

There are hedge fund market makers and then there are youtube daily traders that cant do basic math. Don't confuse the two.

BAKKT is not even on a map anymore, do they even still offer BTC futures? Binance is currently the biggest dog and believe they're BTC settled. https://analytics.skew.com/dashboard/bitcoin-futures

Edit: fillippone popped in right on time, he has a whole thread on futures https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188060
Thanks for the explanations! I found the answer for Binance:
https://www.binance.com/en/blog/margin/what-you-should-know-about-crypto-margin-trading-vs-futures-trading-421499824684902310
It seems that margin trades with leverage are like cash settled futures but they involve real bitcoins. Thus the margin trading can affect directly the spot price, even whithout delibarate manipulations. So, what happened in the last year is that many thought the bull run will continue and opened all kinds of leverage margin longs. Each time someone bought and the price rose 1-2% the highest leverage longs hurried to close the positions realizing some profit depending on the leverage. That would bring the price at the previous level, and in some cases lower. Which in turn would trigger a margin call and liquidations of the high leverage longs that weren't closed. And so on, the long squeeze happened many times with some days of ~$1bil long losses. At the peaks before the crashes longs were above $3bil. Now, the longs are at the lowest level at $1.5bil and the shorts are climbing up. Obviously many think that we are in a bear market and expect another crash. This may lead to the opposite - a short squeeze. For the Binance longs/shorts I follow the free https://blockchainwhispers.com/bitmex-position-calculator#, although it does not tell which part is margin and which is futures cash contracts.
346  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 25, 2022, 04:37:13 PM
There is something that bothers me for some time. If someone knows the answers, it would be nice to share them. It is about the derivate markets. It is clear that the cash settled futures contract divert money from acutal invesment in Bitcoin, thus creating an artificial paper liquidity. My quiestion is whether what is happening on the derivate exchanges can lead to a pump/dump of the spot exchanges? It is supposed that derivate exchanges follow the spot exchanges with their index price, not vice  versa, but is this the reality? I have the gut feeling that the spot exchange traders look at the derivate exchanges and if they see a dump there, they also sell. Which is illogical especially for the cash settled contracts. Because nobody can transfer a paper bitcoin and sell it on a spot exchange. But the daily traders have proved many times they have no clue about... anything, even basic math. Also, I wonder if Binance has a physical futures contracts like bakkt,  because a lot of derivate trade is going on there lately and it seems to has an impact on the spot price.
347  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 23, 2022, 09:24:41 AM
Damn...I like how many start having these bearish 10k 9k Vegeta thoughts...

I'm likely to start drinking again if we do the whole Vegeta thing again.

I am SO ABSOLUTELY over it.

But what if Vegeta returns for 90K later this year? I can live with that  Grin
348  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 21, 2022, 03:50:43 PM
Well, the events described in this post happened. There was a short/long squeeze on the market and a further drop in prices below significant support levels:


Derivative markets contributed to the fall, namely option expiration, increased open interest, increased use leverage by short traders, etc.

Next option expiry will hurt.

I just hope that when the uppity resumes, it will be fast and wild enough to reck some of these paper dealers. Eventually, they will need some physical corn to cover. My wish for them is that they have to scramble and marginally buy it at 200k+ apiece.

And it is guaranteed to remain nothing more than a wish. Bitcoin won't go above $45k at any point in 2022. Nor will it in 2023, 2024, 2025, and beyond. Macroeconomic winds have finally caught up to the mania. Nothing about bitcoin is special enough to overcome the headwinds of the next decade of economic policy. Before the next halving we will see prices below $10k.

We know what you are doing with your posts. This is a bitter sarcasm mocking all those weak hands who always sell/short and lose great potential profit because of their short-sightedness. It's just that after the 1000th post of that kind, it becomes boring, at least for me. Besides, there are plenty of autists/aspergers between the weak hands and they can't get the sarcasm. Reading these posts they might actually believe you said what you meant.

For the latter, the translation is this: Don't panic if the price falls from X to Y, because in a matter of days, maximum a year, it will return to X. But if you sell, you will be out of the train and miss the next 10x bull run. Chill out peeps, get a life and don't bother about it.

349  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 21, 2022, 12:15:03 PM
This looks like a double bottom to me, although technically it is several %'s lower than the last. So, just in case, I've bought the dip. And if we go lower, I will buy in the same manner, no matter how deep this bear market turns out to be. Everyone that had laser eyes on twitter now speaks of 20K, even 10K. What I see is that this massive 2 month coordinated dump achieved onlly 38K-39K bottom. It seems that it loses steam and soon there will be a rebound. Let's recall that in March 2019, we had a bottom 3.8K, and look where we are now - the mother of all crashes to 38K? Wow, that is sooo scary, I've almost panic sold ... my spare fiat.  Grin Grin Grin
350  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 21, 2022, 11:26:35 AM

#Bitcoin investors have realised large losses during this sell-off, with net daily losses between $600M and $875M/day.
Whilst these are significant sums, they remain small relative to $1B+ losses realised during the May-June capitulation, and the deleveraging of 4-December.


https://twitter.com/glassnode/status/1484445927888859136
351  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 21, 2022, 12:48:52 AM
It is amazing that the only coins that moved in this 2 month bear market are bought in the last 6 months

Curious. How are you discerning this?
Glassnode stats. They also publish weekly analysis including this indicator. They track each address movement with the exact datestamp. So, since any purchase/sell is related to such a movement, they can tell if it is old or new coins.

https://insights.glassnode.com/the-week-onchain-week-03-2022/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=woc_03_2022
352  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 21, 2022, 12:28:33 AM
It is amazing that the only coins that moved in this 2 month bear market are bought in the last 6 months, a.k.a. short term hodlers. Hence these guys alone are selling. Poor weak hands, they must be screaming like little girls while selling. I just wonder whether there is a single long term hodler to sell in panic now that we are 30K below the ATH 2 months ago? Probably none. And another thing. Is there a single daily trader, who can boast that he is in profit in the last year? Probably none. At least the stats show only liquidations and endless series of stop losses. It sucks to be a trader.  Grin

But where are they getting the coins? In the move from May to Nov most of the buyers were LTH with little selling history. And there is buying by the LTH again at these levels.
The term Short Term Hodlers (STH) combines the daily traders and new wanna-be hodlers who bought in the range 40K-60K. These were coins from Long Term Holders (LTH) who always sell on the way up, and not so much on the way down. Humans are predictable, so when a new investor sees his profit erased in the blink of an eye, he just can't help and sell on the break even in the best case. Glassnode stats clearly show that the movement of old coins itensified during the 2 bull runs in 2021 and went to 0% during the 2 dumps. All these bear wet dreams of cheap coins will soon die in ashes, because without the aid of old coins dumped on the market the crashes will be insignificant like the current one.

This is quite different from the bear market in 2018, when the old coins flooded the market during the run to 20K and the recovery to 12K. Now, if we assume that the current situation is a big bear manipulation, then these must be new players, completely ignorant regarding Bitcoin specifics. They can't bring the price down simply by selling each time there is a small pump, like with stonks. They need a help from the old coins, which could be lured only above 60K. But then they might be surprised again by the lack of such event, since the hodlers are waiting for 100K and fewer will sell at 60K than in 2021. So it is a win-win for the bulls even mid-term, not to mention long term.
353  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 20, 2022, 11:42:25 PM
It is amazing that the only coins that moved in this 2 month bear market are bought in the last 6 months, a.k.a. short term hodlers. Hence these guys alone are selling. Poor weak hands, they must be screaming like little girls while selling. I just wonder whether there is a single long term hodler to sell in panic now that we are 30K below the ATH 2 months ago? Probably none. And another thing. Is there a single daily trader, who can boast that he is in profit in the last year? Probably none. At least the stats show only liquidations and endless series of stop losses. It sucks to be a trader.  Grin
354  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 20, 2022, 12:48:31 AM
[snip]
Gotta question your judgement when you had been considering that selling 60% of your stash would have even had been a good idea while BTC prices were moving through (above and beyond) it's 2017 ATH and through another zone.
[snip]

Yes, I made a mistake, because I saw the possibility to buy mining equipment that would bring me 3x more coins in the next 2 years than with my current equipment. I owe >80% of my stash to the mining anyway, so such risks are part of my job.  I started buying the gpu's and literally on the next day all shipments from UK stopped. The price of the gpus increased 3x while I was searching for other options. Meanwhile I changed my mind about a villa that I liked and so I decided to rebuy back at least the last sold coins when the price fell to 30K. So I improved my ratio from 60% to 38% sold bitcoins. Hopefully with my current old equipment I will recover another 10% this year. I had to spend about other important stuff. Later that year 2021, I nearly lost my father and got myself very ill because of the stress. All this cost more money and nerves. I can't get proper medical treatment here, so I consider moving to another country. And if things continue to be so bad for me, well, I will expand my donations to various children related charities. But let's think positive and hope for something good to happen. Bitcoin is hope after all.
355  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 19, 2022, 04:04:59 PM
[snip]

Not bad or anything, I just would have sold a smaller %

I agree completely. However, I continue mining and DCA-ing, so the sold % would be reduced even more by the end of the year. And if I have a chance of rebuying back at acceptable for me levels, I'll use it. Having said that, I hope the bull run returns as soon as possible. It is so tiresome to watch this ugly chart in the last 2 months.
356  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 19, 2022, 12:29:26 PM
[...]

...no theoretical chance of becoming a fish...

[...]

Can someone point me to the HoDLers' Marine Scale? Just to see where I stand. Thx.

I started as a small octopus in 2017, grew to medium by 2020, and shrank again to small in 2021.

357  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 19, 2022, 12:00:03 PM
Yep, the price movement is boring AF in the last 2 months. To stay 30K below the ATH is quite annoying. This is something the new generation of hodlers is hard to get used to. Most, if not all new commers who bought in the 40-69K range have sold on a loss, according to the on-chain analysis by glassnode. Before glassnode was a thing, we only wondered if the hodlers sell that low or there actually exist individuals that sold on a loss. Now it is almost "proven" that many sell on a loss, although it is not competely certain that the movement of bitcoins always means a trade. It is however the only indicator that gives good enough approximation. For the n00bs 2 months of bear market is the end of Bitcoin. They lack the experience and hardened character to hodl through this period. It seems that the first lesson in 2021 from 65K to 30K wasn't learned and the same mistake was made later from 69K to 40K. So, with all short term "hodlers" being completely eliminated and all actual hodlers refusing to sell, this bear run should terminate soon.

On a personal level, I must admit that I didn't do well in the last year. As a relatively new hodler with average buying price 2.5K per coin (thanks to the gpu mining mostly), I was tempted to sell 60% of my stash for average price of 28K for a beach villa, job retirement and mining equipment. However the covid restrictions and other RL accidents prevented me from realising any of these goals. I could not afford to risk and sell more at 60K, so I've missed both tops, unfortunately. So, I've decided to rebuy back the last sold coins on the same price, making the sold part 39% of my stash. The remaining fiat is equivalent to my salary until I retire after 15+ years, so I could spend some of it if the price falls to my average sold level to rebuy more coins back. All this is hard to plan and fulfil, because of emotions, RL issues, etc... Hopefully, I'll manage to handle it well and not sell too much, not to mention sell most of it. God forbid! I don't want to give the false impression that I have tons of coins. Let's say just that I have no theoretical chance of becoming a fish if I DCA until I retire. This makes me very sad, but I'm comforting myself that I have enough to cover my basic needs.  It's just that in my country the expenses and real estate is much cheaper than the rest of the world, at least for now. Another indicator is that my virtual net worth puts me in the list of 900 richest peeps in my country, according to bank deposit stats. Not bad, considering that before Bitcoin, I had no plans of investments and relied only on my salary. The problem is that the medical care is completely missing, which makes me think of moving to another country. Any suggestions - with a good infrastructure, warm climate, food delivery, internet, etc.? Spain, Greece, France, Antigua...?
358  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2022, 07:13:32 PM
Based on Phil_S's notorious chart, I've made three basic scenarios for the next 4 years. (I'm not a PS or chart expert, so if anyone can make better charts, feel free to do it.)

I tried to make a functional prediction based on previous data. The big question is will we face a deviation below the low orange line in the next 4 years. IMO, this may happen for 2 reasons: severe shorting manipulation and adoption levels worldwide above 75%. I highly doubt that the manipulations can hold the price that long and that the 75% saturation point could be reached without breaking 100K.  

So, here are the variants. The blue one is mildly bullish and I find it highly probable to happen. The green is very bullish, but a bit less probable than the blue one. And finally, the pink scenario I find extremely unlikely to happen. It just shows that even in a series of black swan events, Bitcoin will touch 100K until the end of 2025. There might be various modifications of any of the plans, including the pink one: If 100K is delayed so much, only another black swan event can prevent a top above 200K in 2025.






359  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 14, 2022, 04:54:46 PM
Something old, but still funny. A video lesson for daily trading. The kid seems to know what is doing and it all started well, but then... full proudhon/r0ach mode  Grin Grin Grin

The boy vs shovel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvMd88TiOCc
360  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 14, 2022, 12:44:45 PM
Wouldn't be suprised if it falls below sub $40k again.

IMO it doesn't matter, unless this delevops into a deeper and longer bear market. In that case, DCA investors like me will profit more. We all know 100K is a matter of when, not if, so it is better to DCA 2-3 times cheaper. I remember how bad I felt in 2018 seeing the decline from 20K to 3K. But I used the opportunity to buy as much as possible. I really doubt that this scenario will repeat this year, because of too many reasons which make the difference. One of them is that in 2018 we had several 50-100% price jumps from the local bottom. This is likely to happen this year, which means we will have "a dead cat bounce" to 80K-ish, which is a new ATH. And that will effectively mean that we are still in a bull market. This is of course, if the bottom is in the 30K-40K range, which seems to be the case, seeing how hard it is for the bears to break 40K.
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