Another ignorant post that confuses, religion, country customs and different currents maybe you should learn about the conflict between Shiites and Sunnites before posting a sensationalist title like this one....
Also murderers don't need religion to kill they just uses it as an excuse, and the prove is that murders happen with or without religion.
And AGAIN... instead of CONDEMN the violence, here comes one trying to make an excuse for it. About Sunnis/Shiites/Ahmaddya it doesn't mater who is or isn't right. Ahmaddya is the only non-violent sect and it's hated by the other two... wonder why it's mostly the only thing the other two "Allah uh-Akhbar zombies" fully agree with! Maybe being non-violent is a bad thing at Islam... Where do you see not condemning violence ? did you miss the part where I name this people as MURDERERS, I think the one that is being a zombie here is you, you are auto hating anything related Muslims and Islam in all your posts and generalizing and I can quote your several times, the difference between me and you is that I reckon that in everything there are bad and good people, bad, people should be punished but not because there are bad people in group/community/religion/nation, doesn't mean I have the right to condemn everyone ! but a fair judgement is not one of your vertu it seems |
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I DON'T CARE about polygamy. I care about the "honor killings" that some dark ages cultures surround it with.
But for the note, the notion of "protecting" for Islam is the sane of Camorra or other mafia.
You've made 5 lengthy posts describing how polygamy is unfair and it is adultery and it is allowed in Islam while at the same Islamic law on adultery are harsh so this position and biased, and no you are telling me that you don't care about polygamy? you are just being to dodgy here, so you admit that your previous argument doesn't stand, so we can talk about "honor killing" ? |
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Antisemitic means nothing and both of them are semitic peoples. Stop making or trying to make points out of nowhere!
Antisemitic means nothing? by which standard ? just a quick search of Palestinians demonstration and antisemitic and you'll find tons of Israeli sources calling those as antisemitic and starting a propaganda compaign in whole Europe about it as for the definition : http://archive.adl.org/hate-patrol/antisemitism.html#.U9dxzLE43wkhttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anti-semiticSo no my point is clear and the word antisemitic exists and it definition is clear, so I don't understand what are even trying to achieve by denying such a word Double standards why?
Most of Western support for Palestine comes out of shocking on how human life is in sale there. Luckily for us, the West puts a high value on life.
What turns this absurd is to see Muslims complaining a LOT about Palestine, but each time someone talks about Boko Haram, ISIS and other dickheads that goes around killing people for nothing; "washing honor", "prayed with the ass 30º upwards when it should be 35º" and so on, we find the other Muslims giving the cold shoulder and making excuses... pretty much what you just did.
Most western world support Israel not Palestine, or at least politically that is and that's why the people is angry and protesting, The west world values human lives? only when it arrange us that is, I don't recall any sanction forward toward Israel, while if we take the example you've mentioning over and over again which Syria, Syria was slamed by international sanctions from the get go, while Israel been going away it for half a century officially that is. As for the Muslims complaining about Palestine, maybe you need to check your facts and that the whole media coverage you are getting is from the western media as I do, or are you watching and reading Muslim medias on the matter, which is impossible because if you did, you would know that out of almost 2 billions muslims there is a minority of dickheads and not everyone is a a criminal as you mention, but of course you feel the need to generalize because that's your opinion about such a large population who's the one talking about hatred here? The "right answer" would be around, that's also awful... but you just can't attack your religion, can you?
Or maybe you just read what you want to read and never had an objective look before making such a judgment which a mark of ignorance to say the least, let's just take an example from what you mentioned, "Boko Haram" did you check the position of Muslim clerics and searchers on that matter? Of course you didn't all Muslims support Boko Haram is what your passively claiming or at least no one in Islamic world could condemn boko Haram according to this quote but the reality is quite different and it proves again your partial judgment without minimum research or facts As for my religion that's again another statement you are advancing without a single proof, not because I read books and do research about stuff so I can have proper judgment it's means I follow it, maybe you didn't check my comments on Christianity or Judaism threads in the past from a couple of month ago, as someone claimed I was Christian the same way you are doing right now...is just goes to prove that hasty judgment is one of your traits EDIT:
Bottom line, or we say the problem is violence in general, no matter who commits it against who and I'll support that, or if the problem is "violence from Israel" then we are jumping into a non-defensible position of support violence, just not from "those guys".
Again you are only reading or keeping what you want to read, I can quote my self several times condemning Hamas for targeting innocent civilians and considering it as such a terrorist organization, but like I said before, and by the same standard, Israel is a terrorist state (The government and the few in control not the whole population) as Israel targets Palestinians Civilians! as proven in many cases and one example of thousands would the 8 year old children that were playing at the beach and were blown to pieces or just today, children that were playing on a swing in park of refugee faced the same fate. but again you are the one that fails to do the same, and so far I didn't see you once condamning the Israeli position, but instead the majority of your post can be resumed to Muslims are barbaric, muslim are killers, muslims are the worst ....and generalizing without even considering the fact that there is a vast majority that is living peacefully and doesn't do harm to anyone. ...Islam is currently the most barbaric.
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Another ignorant post that confuses, religion, country customs and different currents maybe you should learn about the conflict between Shiites and Sunnites before posting a sensationalist title like this one....
Also murderers don't need religion to kill they just uses it as an excuse, and the prove is that murders happen with or without religion.
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I wonder if the 450 lashes are to be given all in one session or if they will be spread out over the 3 years. That seems like a very high number of lashes. Tradition says that Jesus Christ was only given 39.
I think it's in one go, but never heard of 450 lashes, I know that for adultery it's 100 lashes and it's really applied in very few countries, and holycities |
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being in a European jail is better than being gunned down by a tank.
unfortunately there aren't many nobodies, 99% of people don't care, sure as hell don't care enough to go protest.
my country is safe because invading it costs more than the gain from the invasion.
if the Palestinians weren't so weak and could hurt Israel Gaza wouldn't be invaded either.
and anyway no one needs Israel for an example of an invasion, countries have been doing it long before Israel existed.
It's not being in jail, they will not and cannot pass the border all together. They are weak because they are not allowed to anything, while the other side is getting unconditional support from worlds power. And that's why after WW2, UN and it's security council, International supreme court.... were created to handle this kind of issues among others and to avoid atrocities of war, but the way they were built on is flawed from the beginning, as just a few countries reign on such organisation, hence Israel is going away with it, and that why people should pressure their government to push resolutions and sanctions so we can have a peaceful solution and so that the massacre stops |
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Double standars is when you judge two identical situations differently.
This topic has turn into a "Israel hate page" and as I see most if not all moderated people went away. So I'm joining them and leave you with your hate corner.
Israel hate? this the usual argument of people that cannot argue with facts, most if not all don't hate Israel, but the politics of it current government, and what you are doing right it's exactly what Israel politics are trying to spread, heck you can see new propaganda messages flooding the internet (some of them were so extrem that the UN intervened). And Standing for Palestinians = antisemitism according to Israel this is the new message being spread in EU, rallying or demonstration for Palestine is antisemitic according to the new media push by the Israeli lobby. |
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So they should surrender and do what? die? I don't understand why people can trow words like surrender on other people, no they have one choice it is resistance, for now the majority of palestinian people are going with peaceful resistance, with some groups fighting but if Israel keeps killing civilians as they do things might change and more palestinians will take arms, and I hope that would never happens.
Resistance is a fundamental right, and there is no other choice for Palestinians, unless you are willing and you have the political power to split your own country with the Palestinians, so Israel can has all the land, and the Palestinians has a place where to live, but I doubt you'll anybody has an inch of your country
if they surrender unconditionally and disarm completely Israel will stop killing them, or at least will stop mass killing them. the smartest thing they could do is leave the middle east altogether and move to Europe just like the Jews did 2000 years ago when the Romans kicked them out. then they could learn how to build a modern army and maybe one day come back and win the land back. as it stands they pose no match for the Israeli's and are simply sheeple in a shooting range. Again, your are repeating yourself, so they surrender and leave? where to? Europe? no one wants millions of refugees and doesn't have the means to deal with them, and why should they give up their lands and country, and why are you standing for an unjust cause? why not help by demonstrating peacefully, and putting pressure on your government to react on the matter, why not push for the application of the international law? so we can get the two state solutions that many UN resolutions been made for, if Israel could do that and go away with it, what would stop other countries for doing the same? how about your country being invaded next and you being kicked out after seeing your familly members and friends getting killed and or disabled? they will have to enter Europe illegally, sure is better than being mowed down by an Israeli tank. they should give up their lands because there is no practical way for them to get them back and if they stay they are as good as dead. I'm not standing for any cause, i simply think what the Palestinians are currently doing doesn't make sense (assuming they want to live). no one gives a damn about any peaceful demonstrations, I'm a nobody and have zero power to push on any government to do anything. nothing stops any country from doing the same, countries have been doing this ever since countries exist. my country is well protected making it not worth it for anyone to invade. They will not be allowed, you know during the Libya war when thousands (and just a couple of thousands) of refugees we reaching Europe, through Italy mainly illegaly, a whole drama started about closing boarder, and putting boarder guards withing Schengen space, just so said countries could protect them selfs from such migrations, you think that millions of refugees would be allowed? no they will not, and the boarders will closed, as they are with Egypt right now for example . Your response is exactly what's Israel wants, keep terrorizing them by all means, till they give up and leave, but sadly that's not how it works, it's not like they can just pack and leave to somewhere else, they have no where to go, and they are on their right to stay As for Palestinian, they want to live, and what you are talking about is not an option they can't leave they have no where to leave to and they are in their right You might be a nobody on your own, but many nobodies , have the ability to push for drastic changes. Your country might be protected, but obviously it's not safe, especially if anything is allowed as Israel seems to be enjoying such freedom |
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But essentially you're saying that those with the ability to conquer have the right to shape the future of a country and the people within it. I suppose that has happened a lot historically.
Those with the ability to conquer have the social, economic and technology advantage on their side. They have earn the right to shape other future. Those who are being conquered should learn their mistake adopt to new way of doing things. Should they correct their mistakse, they too have the right to do the same to their enemies. And if someone robes or rapes you on the street one day, will you also blame yourself for it? The social advantage include having law abiding citizens which contribute positively to the country they are residing in. Raping and robbing happen often in the conquered nations as you often read on the news in Muslim and Hindu countries. Do you think such countries "earn" their right to exists? What surprise me the most is the west often accept these cultures into their country with open arm and invite the same kind of problems with bring down the immigrants own country. Your argumentation is totally wrong/false, simply because, crimes will always flourish in poor countries/regions no matter what confession they are, and it's not about the culture per say, you mentions Muslim countries for example then lets do a comparison shall we, the amount of crimes in the UAE or Qatar, is much lower than most western countries you are talking about, yet on the other hand, if you take an example of a poor country such as Somalia or Sudan you'll find a lot of problem. it's the circumstances and living conditions, that push people to do such crimes in general not their culture or origin and saying otherwise is just stupid |
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You got me totally wrong, I DO NOT condemn polygamy - not my business. What I condemn is the fact that Muslims, being a culture that allows polygamy, harasses people due to adultery. If you want polygamy then stop lashing, killing and god knows what about adultery, polygamy is just another name for allowed adultery! - Usually sexist, like any Dark Aged law.
That sounds like a non-sense sick joke!
I don't know if my English is that bad or you don't even read what I'm saying properly. While polygamy is technically allowed there are too many restriction on it that it's basically very rare and non existance, again your argument is that it's polygamy is allowed yet not adultery, I'm telling you and repeating my self, polygamy more or less not allowed unless it has it legitimacy, (and Just for your information, the reason why polygamy was allowed in the first place, was to protect women in difficult situations such, as widows, or women that lost their family with no one to support them, in case of disease or inability and this at the time where women used to not work and couldn't support them selfs or families .....ect why of course there is always a minority and the minority that would wants to abuse the system for their own pleasure, but we cannot take such a minority as a general rule and that's what you are doing right now! |
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Seems a bit disingenuous to compare a formal war with an insurgency and terrorist related violence. The two aren't fought in the same way. Nor are they fought with the same weapons. You're stuck on WWII but it isn't the 40's anymore. Not really. You can fight an insurgency with the same weapons one would use in a conventional war. Russia did so quite nicely in Chechnya by using massive conventional firepower on Grozny and other insurgent-held, civilian-populated targets. Indeed, the sheer indiscriminate nature, destruction, and terror imposed on the civilian population helps to deter their resistance. I’d suggest the fact that the Allies demonstrated a pretty clear resolve that killing civilians to achieve victory was acceptable is the entire reason why World War II was so successful while Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan were not. Perhaps if America had opened up the war by turning Kandahar into a firestorm like Dresden, it would have sent a clearer message of what the price of attacking America is. That worked out well for him didn't it? Considering he's dead and all and a Shia government is now in power in Iraq. And yet it is still unstable and isolated to this day. Good work The North Caucasus was perfectly stable after Stalin deported all the Chechens to Siberia. Letting them back was a mistake. Compared to the US, Russia did much better in Afghanistan as well. It only took a US invasion to do it, but hey, clear failure, right? It's under control. Yes. There are terror threats which emerge from it to impact Russia, but beyond that, it's pretty much been crushed. As long as the US supports Israel, I don't really see them failing. They have survived this long. When the US supported long term blitzing of Vietnam, eventually the wee viet-com fellas in tunnels routed the US outta Vietnam with heavy US losses. When the US occupied Afghanistan for too long it was time to go, allowing the taliban easy access back in. When the US bombed Iraq senseless and installed a police /troops operation and then left, the insurgents were soon to come back in. Whatever crazy level of funding the US has given the jews in Israel, eventually from the way the crazy jew is acting in Israel, completely disproportionate in their killing of palestinians, they too are going to fail and will either get nuked or ensconced in too many battles they can't win, upsetting too many arabs. they already fought all their Arab neighbors simultaneously and beat them, and that's 50 years ago before they had nukes and the unconditional support of the united states. it ain't happening, not in our lifetime. well to be fair it wasn't that hard to be the Arab, as they were fighting each other and never had strong collaboration (and they still to this day and age and most of the conflict is due to borders after Independence), not to mention the strong American and French and UK, intelligence and armament giving by them |
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And it is pretty scary, so far it's still contained to south saharians country, but if the outbreak reach northern hemisphere thing will get serious....the UN support should be stronger to help those countries that doesnt have the resources nor the means to deal with such an pandemic
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It is a convenient timing and one way to pressure Russia and that's goes without saying, is it deserved or not? I don't know, it's impossible, but again other countries including the US does such practices and goes away with it, well I guess it's all about geopolitical power
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So they should surrender and do what? die? I don't understand why people can trow words like surrender on other people, no they have one choice it is resistance, for now the majority of palestinian people are going with peaceful resistance, with some groups fighting but if Israel keeps killing civilians as they do things might change and more palestinians will take arms, and I hope that would never happens.
Resistance is a fundamental right, and there is no other choice for Palestinians, unless you are willing and you have the political power to split your own country with the Palestinians, so Israel can has all the land, and the Palestinians has a place where to live, but I doubt you'll anybody has an inch of your country
if they surrender unconditionally and disarm completely Israel will stop killing them, or at least will stop mass killing them. the smartest thing they could do is leave the middle east altogether and move to Europe just like the Jews did 2000 years ago when the Romans kicked them out. then they could learn how to build a modern army and maybe one day come back and win the land back. as it stands they pose no match for the Israeli's and are simply sheeple in a shooting range. Again, your are repeating yourself, so they surrender and leave? where to? Europe? no one wants millions of refugees and doesn't have the means to deal with them, and why should they give up their lands and country, and why are you standing for an unjust cause? why not help by demonstrating peacefully, and putting pressure on your government to react on the matter, why not push for the application of the international law? so we can get the two state solutions that many UN resolutions been made for, if Israel could do that and go away with it, what would stop other countries for doing the same? how about your country being invaded next and you being kicked out after seeing your familly members and friends getting killed and or disabled? |
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It's also noticeable that Israel hasn't wipe Palestine this far, because unlike Palestinians, Israelis actually can erase Palestine of the map. I don't doubt that if Palestinians had the same fire power wouldn't think much before wipe Israel.
Maybe because Israeli are not bloody savages... Or maybe if they do, they'll lose all legitimity, and they'll lose their US backup, because it would create a real outrage everywhere, but for now as long as they can justify with self defense and say look we didn't kill anybody, we are doing surgically precise hits they'll be fine. I mean seriously read, some Israeli books on the matter, and the different strategies they have in place to do such a thing. 1200 Palestinians mostly civilians died so far and still more to come and dozens of thousands wounded or/and disabled. OTH if the Palestinians wipe out Israel would be seen as heroes by their peers. Talking of which, the Ramadan party death toll - Muslims vs Muslims only, excluding Israel and Palestine - already goes around 2300 and counting. Nameless victims, mostly civilians too, that nobody will whip, as nobody in the West knows, they're entertained with this long Israeli story that goes in loop, and Muslims won't care, because as long as the murder is Muslim that's OK then. why are you talking about muslims, and why are talking about something else on a thread related, to Israel/Palestine? you are just repeating what Israeli politicians are saying while trying to divert the attention. And why do you care so much about 1000 palestinians and nothing about the rest of muslims? Double standards or as long as the assassin wears your shirt it is OK? And yes, there are a lot of interests around this conflict, but isn't resources and land that fuel it or push it to frontpage. The thousands of NGO's profiting from it are the main pressure group around. Here is where you contradict yourself and prove my point, where do you see that I only care about palestinians how do you know? I was pretty active in 2011 and 2012 for syrian people I even participated in strikes and demonstrations to support Syrian people, but again like I said before you just want to derail. Palestine been suffering and been under colinization for a century now (half a decade officially by UN) Palestinians been suffering for that much, every six month to two year period Israel does a Massacre like this one and no one does anything. Again the double standard is coming from you and your poor attempt of derailing a thread about Israel and Palestine By who?! You're talking of a small country with almost 200 nobel prizes, and real deal ones, medicine, physics... not bs ones like peace or literature. They made very complex weaponry, such as drones. Israel is far from an easy picking to anybody.
Israel wouldn't be able to make anything without American support being it technological or financial, and also one other source of Israel finance, is Germany that they are still milking every year or two, Israeli government cry holocaust reparation and get a couple of billions € and they are doing it again right now. (I know that some will try to deform this last part so I'll make it clear, Jews suffered a lot during the Nazi period and such trajedy should never happen again and that's why we should stand for Palestinians as they are on the receiving end right now, and the famillies that suffered during the Holocaust deserves reparations, which was done by Germany several times, but right now it's just a political tool to pressure Germany and to get billions to finance it Massacre against Palestine no more no less.) |
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Yes it's a strong logic, every guy who go in a good language school can speak good French, but only a true French can speak the average street teenager French, cause usually people coming to France without be French don't speak with this guy. all north African youth can write in the same French (de la rue) and the people you are flaming in all your post excels at it. |
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It's also noticeable that Israel hasn't wipe Palestine this far, because unlike Palestinians, Israelis actually can erase Palestine of the map. I don't doubt that if Palestinians had the same fire power wouldn't think much before wipe Israel.
Maybe because Israeli are not bloody savages... Or maybe if they do, they'll lose all legitimity, and they'll lose their US backup, because it would create a real outrage everywhere, but for now as long as they can justify with self defense and say look we didn't kill anybody, we are doing surgically precise hits they'll be fine. I mean seriously read, some Israeli books on the matter, and the different strategies they have in place to do such a thing. 1200 Palestinians mostly civilians died so far and still more to come and dozens of thousands wounded or/and disabled. OTH if the Palestinians wipe out Israel would be seen as heroes by their peers. Talking of which, the Ramadan party death toll - Muslims vs Muslims only, excluding Israel and Palestine - already goes around 2300 and counting. Nameless victims, mostly civilians too, that nobody will whip, as nobody in the West knows, they're entertained with this long Israeli story that goes in loop, and Muslims won't care, because as long as the murder is Muslim that's OK then. why are you talking about muslims, and why are talking about something else on a thread related, to Israel/Palestine? you are just repeating what Israeli politicians are saying while trying to divert the attention. |
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The first picture shows the effects of effort on Ukrainian territory with multiple rocket launchers, second and third - the results of the self-propelled artillery shelling by Ukrainian military unit. The fourth shot rocket system fired at targets from the territory of Ukraine at the border - according to the U.S. in this case was about the use of facilities provided by the separatists from Russia. https://twitter.com/GeoffPyatt/status/493411896222302208/photo/1Ukrainian military have long claimed that their position near the Russian border often fired or the direction of the border, or even from Russia. These statements are confirmed in social networks and the Russians themselves, residents of border villages and soldiers who boasted of his attacks. Western intelligence sources also said that Ukraine should confirm attacks on Russian territory. Russia rejects all evidence of this and calls them false......))))) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtjzgSoIYAASkG7.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/Btjz4SzIUAAFjop.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtjzrXtIEAAPHMl.jpgwell yes, some of the picture, shows traces of shells if I did interpret the image correctly, but where is the proof that it was Russia behind it I mean really and what with the poor quality satellite pictures with several days interval, I'm pretty sure that the US has tons of drones with high resolutions picture flying around the area from the Ukraine side, and that's without speaking about the fact that current satelitte can take picture way more accuratly heck even commercial solutions shows better picture, example http://www.digitalglobe.com/ |
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Wesh gros moi jsuis un vrai français j'y vi depuis toujours la preuve jsais ecrire en mauvais français alors casse moi pas les couilles avec ma légitimité à parler de mon pays, sale mélanchoniste. Et viens pas dire que le FN est pas socialiste avec ses délires social et protectionistes à la con. D'ailleurs jean marie le pen soutient les palestiniens aussi.
How old are you ? 12? because that's not the kind of reply you would get from a mature person. Français? pas plus que moi en tout cas, Et puis tu me traites de malebranchiste sans même connaitre mon appartenance politique, ce qui, encore une fois, prouve ce que j'ai dit au début de mon commentaire. Can someone translate?
He is just saying in broken French : "Yo, I am a true French and I always lived in France, and the prove is that I can write in broken French (lol the logic here is too strong) so don't nag me (actually the literal translation is that stop breaking my balls) over the my legitimacy of speaking about France, you dirty mélanchoniste (follower of Jean Luc Mélanchon which the leader of far left party) and don't come and tell me that the Front National (extreme right party) is not a socialist with all their stupid socialism and protectionism., Also note that Jean Marie LePen (FN previous leader) support Palestine |
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Also the death numbers are reaching 1200 and more to come, but yes one side can do whatever they want as they are protected and no one dare to take real measures against them.
Israel is protected politically by the United States, which is exactly why the Palestinians need to put their freaking pride aside and surrender. the Israeli's are too strong both militarily and politically, there is no scenario where this ends well for the Palestinians. So they should surrender and do what? die? I don't understand why people can trow words like surrender on other people, no they have one choice it is resistance, for now the majority of palestinian people are going with peaceful resistance, with some groups fighting but if Israel keeps killing civilians as they do things might change and more palestinians will take arms, and I hope that would never happens. Resistance is a fundamental right, and there is no other choice for Palestinians, unless you are willing and you have the political power to split your own country with the Palestinians, so Israel can has all the land, and the Palestinians has a place where to live, but I doubt you'll anybody has an inch of your country Palestinian can accept a fair two state solution, but people like you prefer dead Palestinian...
Palestinians are willing to accept a two state solution, it's Israel that undermine any peace solution and refuses to accept UN resolutions and La Haye supreme court orders and keeps doing illegal activities, from building illegal settelement and kicking out people out of their land, to killing civilians and imprisoning people without trial.....ect |
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