Is anyone following the Israel & Palestine Situation.

[BCEmporium]

It's also noticeable that Israel hasn't wipe Palestine this far, because unlike Palestinians, Israelis actually can erase Palestine of the map. I don't doubt that if Palestinians had the same fire power wouldn't think much before wipe Israel.

Maybe because Israeli are not bloody savages...

Or maybe if they do, they'll lose all legitimity, and they'll lose their US backup, because it would create a real outrage everywhere, but for now as long as they can justify with self defense and say look we didn't kill anybody, we are doing surgically precise hits they'll be fine. I mean seriously read, some Israeli books on the matter, and the different strategies they have in place to do such a thing.
1200 Palestinians mostly civilians died so far and still more to come and dozens of thousands wounded or/and disabled.

OTH if the Palestinians wipe out Israel would be seen as heroes by their peers.
Talking of which, the Ramadan party death toll - Muslims vs Muslims only, excluding Israel and Palestine - already goes around 2300 and counting. Nameless victims, mostly civilians too, that nobody will whip, as nobody in the West knows, they're entertained with this long Israeli story that goes in loop, and Muslims won't care, because as long as the murder is Muslim that's OK then.

why are you talking about muslims, and why are talking about something else on a thread related, to Israel/Palestine? you are just repeating what Israeli politicians are saying while trying to divert the attention.

And why do you care so much about 1000 palestinians and nothing about the rest of muslims?
Double standards or as long as the assassin wears your shirt it is OK?

And yes, there are a lot of interests around this conflict, but isn't resources and land that fuel it or push it to frontpage. The thousands of NGO's profiting from it are the main pressure group around.

[faiza1990]

So in the end it is also the fault of the U.S. government  .

Yes because Israel standing just because of USA if they stop to back them they they will out of World map in just few days

[BCEmporium]

So in the end it is also the fault of the U.S. government  .

Yes because Israel standing just because of USA if they stop to back them they they will out of World map in just few days

By who?! You're talking of a small country with almost 200 nobel prizes, and real deal ones, medicine, physics... not bs ones like peace or literature. They made very complex weaponry, such as drones. Israel is far from an easy picking to anybody.

[kuroman]

It's also noticeable that Israel hasn't wipe Palestine this far, because unlike Palestinians, Israelis actually can erase Palestine of the map. I don't doubt that if Palestinians had the same fire power wouldn't think much before wipe Israel.

Maybe because Israeli are not bloody savages...

Or maybe if they do, they'll lose all legitimity, and they'll lose their US backup, because it would create a real outrage everywhere, but for now as long as they can justify with self defense and say look we didn't kill anybody, we are doing surgically precise hits they'll be fine. I mean seriously read, some Israeli books on the matter, and the different strategies they have in place to do such a thing.
1200 Palestinians mostly civilians died so far and still more to come and dozens of thousands wounded or/and disabled.

OTH if the Palestinians wipe out Israel would be seen as heroes by their peers.
Talking of which, the Ramadan party death toll - Muslims vs Muslims only, excluding Israel and Palestine - already goes around 2300 and counting. Nameless victims, mostly civilians too, that nobody will whip, as nobody in the West knows, they're entertained with this long Israeli story that goes in loop, and Muslims won't care, because as long as the murder is Muslim that's OK then.

why are you talking about muslims, and why are talking about something else on a thread related, to Israel/Palestine? you are just repeating what Israeli politicians are saying while trying to divert the attention.

And why do you care so much about 1000 palestinians and nothing about the rest of muslims?
Double standards or as long as the assassin wears your shirt it is OK?

And yes, there are a lot of interests around this conflict, but isn't resources and land that fuel it or push it to frontpage. The thousands of NGO's profiting from it are the main pressure group around.

Here is where you contradict yourself and prove my point, where do you see that I only care about palestinians how do you know? I was pretty active in 2011 and 2012 for syrian people I even participated in strikes and demonstrations to support Syrian people, but again like I said before you just want to derail. Palestine been suffering and been under colinization for a century now (half a decade officially by UN) Palestinians been suffering for that much, every six month to two year period Israel does a Massacre like this one and no one does anything.

Again the double standard is coming from you and your poor attempt of derailing a thread about Israel and Palestine

By who?! You're talking of a small country with almost 200 nobel prizes, and real deal ones, medicine, physics... not bs ones like peace or literature. They made very complex weaponry, such as drones. Israel is far from an easy picking to anybody.

Israel wouldn't be able to make anything without American support being it technological or financial, and also one other source of Israel finance, is Germany that they are still milking every year or two, Israeli government cry holocaust reparation and get a couple of billions € and they are doing it again right now. (I know that some will try to deform this last part so I'll make it clear, Jews suffered a lot during the Nazi period and such trajedy should never happen again and that's why we should stand for Palestinians as they are on the receiving end right now, and the famillies that suffered during the Holocaust deserves reparations, which was done by Germany several times, but right now it's just a political tool to pressure Germany and to get billions to finance it Massacre against Palestine no more no less.)

[Tusk]

So in the end it is also the fault of the U.S. government   .

Yes because Israel standing just because of USA if they stop to back them they they will out of World map in just few days

By who?! You're talking of a small country with almost 200 nobel prizes, and real deal ones, medicine, physics... not bs ones like peace or literature. They made very complex weaponry, such as drones. Israel is far from an easy picking to anybody.

Israel forgets that the world is changing we no longer rely the propaganda media and once people outside Israel begin to put pressure on companies who do business with the Nazi state official sanctions by US or EU will not matter global companies cant afford to piss off their customers particularly in the current economic climate. The Blood lust of the Zionists is doing far more then terrorising Palestinians, its galvanising world resentment.

Take a look https://secure.avaaz.org/en/israel_palestine_this_is_how_it_ends_rb/?fpla
 then wait 30 seconds for RECENT SIGNERS  bottom RHS to start scowling, and you will see the steady stream flowing in. Public companies being targeted will have no choice but to withdraw or face litigation that will follow for being complicit in the genocide. Once the dominoes begin to fall the terrorist state will not be able to fund this genocide from its own coffers and it will be brought to heel. Then the politicians who stood idly by watching this will have to explain how they did nothing.

It will not happen overnight but this is the tipping point.    

[redsn0w]

Think with your mind, not with that of others!
 

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[BCEmporium]

Double standars is when you judge two identical situations differently.

This topic has turn into a "Israel hate page" and as I see most if not all moderated people went away. So I'm joining them and leave you with your hate corner.

[redsn0w]

Double standars is when you judge two identical situations differently.

This topic has turn into a "Israel hate page" and as I see most if not all moderated people went away. So I'm joining them and leave you with your hate corner.

I do not hate anyone, at most I hate them for what they do, not for what they are!

[b00s624]

Yes because Israel is a genocidal machine

[Alphi]

Former CIA intelligence officer and straight talker Michael Scheuer gives his impression of US support for Isreal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFZgoibVFWg


You should watch more videos with this guy talking if you want to know more about US foreign policy in the middle east..
I certainly don't agree with everything he says but I still listen and learn because he has many decades of experience in the field.

[kuroman]

Double standars is when you judge two identical situations differently.

This topic has turn into a "Israel hate page" and as I see most if not all moderated people went away. So I'm joining them and leave you with your hate corner.

Israel hate? this the usual argument of people that cannot argue with facts, most if not all don't hate Israel, but the politics of it current government, and what you are doing right it's exactly what Israel politics are trying to spread, heck you can see new propaganda messages flooding the internet (some of them were so extrem that the UN intervened). And Standing for Palestinians = antisemitism according to Israel this is the new message being spread in EU, rallying or demonstration for Palestine is antisemitic according to the new media push by the Israeli lobby.

[BCEmporium]

Double standars is when you judge two identical situations differently.

This topic has turn into a "Israel hate page" and as I see most if not all moderated people went away. So I'm joining them and leave you with your hate corner.

Israel hate? this the usual argument of people that cannot argue with facts, most if not all don't hate Israel, but the politics of it current government, and what you are doing right it's exactly what Israel politics are trying to spread, heck you can see new propaganda messages flooding the internet (some of them were so extrem that the UN intervened). And Standing for Palestinians = antisemitism according to Israel this is the new message being spread in EU, rallying or demonstration for Palestine is antisemitic according to the new media push by the Israeli lobby.

Antisemitic means nothing and both of them are semitic peoples. Stop making or trying to make points out of nowhere!

Let me just put this more clear as now I've access to a computer - writing on touch screen still isn't the same:

Double standards why?
Most of Western support for Palestine comes out of shocking on how human life is in sale there. Luckily for us, the West puts a high value on life.
What turns this absurd is to see Muslims complaining a LOT about Palestine, but each time someone talks about Boko Haram, ISIS and other dickheads that goes around killing people for nothing; "washing honor", "prayed with the ass 30º upwards when it should be 35º" and so on, we find the other Muslims giving the cold shoulder and making excuses... pretty much what you just did.
The "right answer" would be around, that's also awful... but you just can't attack your religion, can you?

EDIT:
Bottom line, or we say the problem is violence in general, no matter who commits it against who and I'll support that, or if the problem is "violence from Israel" then we are jumping into a non-defensible position of support violence, just not from "those guys".

[TheIrishman]

When I served, the Israeli military was the most moral in the world. No more.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/28/israeli-military-most-moral-no-more-outrage-indifference

<< Once there was widespread Israeli outrage over the bombing of homes in Gaza. Now there is just indifference. >>

[LostDutchman]

Yes because Israel is a genocidal machine

Yeah, right.

[armin22]

Yes because Israel is a genocidal machine

Yeah, right.

Is that supposed to be sarcasm?

[Alphi]

Former CIA intelligence officer and straight talker Michael Scheuer talks about the economics of war and US foreign policy in the middle east.
slightly off topic but he does explain how Isreal may drag the US into another war and how the US really cannot afford it economically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1ex2HnovN4

if you want to know why the so called "war on terror" is such a futile endeavor then this guy explains it really well.

[freedomno1]

Hmm Huffington took an interesting view on it

How Social Media Is Fueling the Israel-Palestine Conflict in Gaza

Ever since Israel began its offensive against Hamas in Gaza, both the press and social media have been abuzz with opinions about the conflict. While the opinions of professional journalists have been somewhat balanced, the rhetoric on Facebook, Twitter, and other social media platforms has been anything but, devolving into one-sided rants and conveniently picked news items that support a particular narrative.

The problem is that the conflict in the Middle East is not just a military one but a political and cultural one as well, and the latter is easily inflamed by rhetoric and public opinion. What the millions of people on social media are doing, in effect, is adding fuel to an already raging fire and making it harder for Israelis and Palestinians to hold a real dialogue about their disagreements.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sanjay-sanghoee/how-social-media-is-fueli_b_5627901.html

[u9y42]

Hmm Huffington took an interesting view on it

How Social Media Is Fueling the Israel-Palestine Conflict in Gaza

Ever since Israel began its offensive against Hamas in Gaza, both the press and social media have been abuzz with opinions about the conflict. While the opinions of professional journalists have been somewhat balanced, the rhetoric on Facebook, Twitter, and other social media platforms has been anything but, devolving into one-sided rants and conveniently picked news items that support a particular narrative.

The problem is that the conflict in the Middle East is not just a military one but a political and cultural one as well, and the latter is easily inflamed by rhetoric and public opinion. What the millions of people on social media are doing, in effect, is adding fuel to an already raging fire and making it harder for Israelis and Palestinians to hold a real dialogue about their disagreements.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sanjay-sanghoee/how-social-media-is-fueli_b_5627901.html

Well, they've had about half a century to deal with their disagreements and the situation has only gotten worse. Now, it's true that what you'll see on social media will most likely be biased towards one side or the other, but at least it makes sure increasingly more people see what is going on, and hopefully look further into it (and who knows, maybe even do something about it).

[Alphi]

Hmm Huffington took an interesting view on it

How Social Media Is Fueling the Israel-Palestine Conflict in Gaza

Ever since Israel began its offensive against Hamas in Gaza, both the press and social media have been abuzz with opinions about the conflict. While the opinions of professional journalists have been somewhat balanced, the rhetoric on Facebook, Twitter, and other social media platforms has been anything but, devolving into one-sided rants and conveniently picked news items that support a particular narrative.

The problem is that the conflict in the Middle East is not just a military one but a political and cultural one as well, and the latter is easily inflamed by rhetoric and public opinion. What the millions of people on social media are doing, in effect, is adding fuel to an already raging fire and making it harder for Israelis and Palestinians to hold a real dialogue about their disagreements.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sanjay-sanghoee/how-social-media-is-fueli_b_5627901.html

I couldn't agree more...
its almost like mass hysteria all over social media..

the Hamas and Isreali leadership love it because it gives them more support for their stated goals of annihilating each other.
the same thing happened in the USA after 9/11 and it took america about 8 years or so to wake up from it. thankfully they did wake up from it..

the problem in Isreal is that there is no left side. they only have far right and center right parties that have any kind of political influence so the chances of them waking up from this hysteria are virtually none unless some severe external pressure is put on them or a really tragic event happens within Isreal proper.

this could be a turning point in history where Isreal either becomes a more liberal pluralist democracy or it becomes an Isolationist state.
I know people have probably been saying that for decades...

on the other side.. the moderates (the Palestinian Left) over in the west bank who aren't firing rockets are being completely ignored while the extremists in Gaza attack Isreal.
I think it is inevitable that Hamas will lose political support just as it is inevitable that Zionist Isreal will.

but when? .. I hope it wont be 8 years.

[kuroman]

Antisemitic means nothing and both of them are semitic peoples. Stop making or trying to make points out of nowhere!

Antisemitic means nothing? by which standard ? just a quick search of Palestinians demonstration and antisemitic and you'll find tons of Israeli sources calling those as antisemitic and starting a propaganda compaign in whole Europe about it
as for the definition :
http://archive.adl.org/hate-patrol/antisemitism.html#.U9dxzLE43wk
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anti-semitic

So no my point is clear and the word antisemitic exists and it definition is clear, so I don't understand what are even trying to achieve by denying such a word

Double standards why?
Most of Western support for Palestine comes out of shocking on how human life is in sale there. Luckily for us, the West puts a high value on life.
What turns this absurd is to see Muslims complaining a LOT about Palestine, but each time someone talks about Boko Haram, ISIS and other dickheads that goes around killing people for nothing; "washing honor", "prayed with the ass 30º upwards when it should be 35º" and so on, we find the other Muslims giving the cold shoulder and making excuses... pretty much what you just did.

Most western world support Israel not Palestine, or at least politically that is and that's why the people is angry and protesting, The west world values human lives? only when it arrange us that is, I don't recall any sanction forward toward Israel, while if we take the example you've mentioning over and over again which Syria, Syria was slamed by international sanctions from the get go, while Israel been going away it for half a century officially that is. As for the Muslims complaining about Palestine, maybe you need to check your facts and that the whole media coverage you are getting is from the western media as I do, or are you watching and reading Muslim medias on the matter, which is impossible because if you did, you would know that out of almost 2 billions muslims there is a minority of dickheads and not everyone is a a criminal as you mention, but of course you feel the need to generalize because that's your opinion about such a large population who's the one talking about hatred here?  

The "right answer" would be around, that's also awful... but you just can't attack your religion, can you?

Or maybe you just read what you want to read and never had an objective look before making such a judgment which a mark of ignorance to say the least, let's just take an example from what you mentioned, "Boko Haram" did you check the position of Muslim clerics and searchers on that matter? Of course you didn't all Muslims support Boko Haram is what your passively claiming or at least no one in Islamic world could condemn boko Haram according to this quote but the reality is quite different and it proves again your partial judgment without minimum research or facts

As for my religion that's again another statement you are advancing without a single proof, not because I read books and do research about stuff so I can have proper judgment it's means I follow it, maybe you didn't check my comments on Christianity or Judaism threads in the past from a couple of month ago, as someone claimed I was Christian the same way you are doing right now...is just goes to prove that hasty judgment is one of your traits
 

EDIT:
Bottom line, or we say the problem is violence in general, no matter who commits it against who and I'll support that, or if the problem is "violence from Israel" then we are jumping into a non-defensible position of support violence, just not from "those guys".

Again you are only reading or keeping what you want to read, I can quote my self several times condemning Hamas for targeting innocent civilians and considering it as such a terrorist organization, but like I said before, and by the same standard, Israel is a terrorist state (The government and the few in control not the whole population) as Israel targets Palestinians Civilians! as proven in many cases and one example of thousands would the 8 year old children that were playing at the beach and were blown to pieces or just today, children that were playing on a swing in park of refugee faced the same fate. but again you are the one that fails to do the same, and so far I didn't see you once condamning the Israeli position, but instead the majority of your post can be resumed to Muslims are barbaric, muslim are killers, muslims are the worst ....and generalizing without even considering the fact that there is a vast majority that is living peacefully and doesn't do harm to anyone.

...Islam is currently the most barbaric.