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I think Baikal has the right idea, manufacture a machine that can do many algos. Also the FPGAs are just starting to come out. Right now they can so the same algos ASIC resistant GPUs. Once the prices start coming down they will pose a serious threat to GPUs and ASICs.
I have a X11 X3 that is making more per day then a L3+ right now, and people called the X3 a doorstop.
If you look back, every year someone comes out with a faster miner. I have had Bitmain, Avalon, and a host of others, I mine for a while then sell them off. I'm a hobby miner, I'm not in it for the big bucks. As long as I'm making something to cover the electric (yes ComEd loves me) I'm happy. When BTC and the ALTs were at their high, there is no way I would even think of buying a miner.
I did buy 3 of the Z9 minis and a couple E3s at the cheap price. I will fire up the Z9 and see what they will produce, the E3s will be flipped.
There is so much wrong with crypto today, the biggest problem is scammers, DEVs who create coins to rip off people. Scams for miners that will never happen, Masternode scams and scam exchanges. These problems are hurting crypto way more then real manufactures coming out with new miners for ASIC resistant algos. They are making them because people will buy them. They are in the business to make money. Scammers are in the business of ripping people off.
What is going to happen is going to happen, you or me are not going to change it. If some farm in China calls BM and says I want 10,000 machines for XYZ algo you think BM is going to tell them NO, THAT'S A GPU ONLY ALGO? Hell no!!
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Where does it say they are going to be making SHA-256 miners? Maybe they are going to start making miners for ASIC resistant algos.
In the meantime, those who just bought S9's should feel threatened. Bottom line: One or a couple of manufacturers in control of all money printing machines is not good for any blockchain. I agree, it's the same in the GPU world, 2 manufactures control the supply of all GPUs. There have been posts of warehouses of GPU farms in China, as well as warehouses of ASIC farms. First it was the S1, then S3 and so on. All the old miners either get scrapped or end up on Ali-baba. The time for hobby miners (like me) is almost over. It's not as much as 1 or 2 manufactures control the hardware. It's that a handful of farms control the hashrate. If there was no demand for faster machines, BM and others wouldn't be rushing to fill a need that isn't there. But it is. |
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Where does it say they are going to be making SHA-256 miners? Maybe they are going to start making miners for ASIC resistant algos.
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You guys have fun, I'm going to go and enjoy the holiday weekend
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Well personally I can't wait to get my Z9's and start mining with them.
I only have one. Im gonna race my 10k gpu rig with the asic! roadrunner vs roadrunner baby! maybe I can cancel out the centralization polairty by putting each rig on top of each other. Because thats the only logical conclusion. I have 3 coming. Fire them up, run them for a while and resell them to dwmardjr so he doesn't have by from the evil empire!! |
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Well personally I can't wait to get my Z9's and start mining with them.
Well, personally, I can't wait to see all those Z9's get FORCED into one or two coins at best.  Like I said time will tell. |
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Well personally I can't wait to get my Z9's and start mining with them.
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Again, why don't you go and start an anti Bitmain hate thread and leave this one for the people interested in the Z9 miner. That way you and your GPU followers can bash Bitmain all they want and not fill this thread with FUD.
There are people here interested in the Z9 you know.
This is about the Z9... It's trying to infiltrate the ASIC Resistant Equihash coins. Most certainly discussion about the "Launch of the Z9 Equihash miner." Did the title say, Technical Discussion on the Z9 Equihash Miner? Hell no... Now THAT is well said.  After June 15th I guess we'll see how ASIC resistant your little moneymaking coins are or are not. Subject over. |
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Again, why don't you go and start an anti Bitmain hate thread and leave this one for the people interested in the Z9 miner. That way you and your GPU followers can bash Bitmain all they want and not fill this thread with FUD.
There are people here interested in the Z9 you know.
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But think of the poor gamers that can't get GPUs because of the Evil Miners!!! The ASIC manufactures are a god send to them!!
Sure, lets promote centralized mining by one dominant manufacturer to make gamers happy. GPUs only have 2, so what is the big difference? So if a dozen sellers rebranded Bitmain miners everything would be OK then? You know it wouldn't... What's the logic? Ain't none... Try again... You have 2 manufactures of GPUs. They control the GPU and Gaming market. I don't see a difference between them and the ASIC manufactures. Again, admit it I comes down to your personal profit. You know FULL WELL, GPU's are more evenly distributed around the world and AMD and NVIDIA are not actively mining with their cards. Weak argument, Dude. Name one country banning GPU's. Several have banned ASIC's. So you are all for government intervention of restricting distribution? I'm sure Ford Execs are driving cars they manufacture. I know we use printers that we build. Show proof that Bitmain sells used product as new? They have had used miner sales before and always stated as such. |
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Let's face facts, you're pissed that ASISs are cutting into your profits.
Lets face facts, I'm not pissed and you don't know my heart. Fact is, I'm exposing BITMAIN and your pissed I'm doing so. Otherwise, you wouldn't be here wasting your time with me. Yes, I'm bored... But also have 1 GPU rig running and 1 ASIC running. Sorry to say but ASICs are here to stay. |
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But think of the poor gamers that can't get GPUs because of the Evil Miners!!! The ASIC manufactures are a god send to them!!
Sure, lets promote centralized mining by one dominant manufacturer to make gamers happy. GPUs only have 2, so what is the big difference? So if a dozen sellers rebranded Bitmain miners everything would be OK then? You know it wouldn't... What's the logic? Ain't none... Try again... You have 2 manufactures of GPUs. They control the GPU and Gaming market. I don't see a difference between them and the ASIC manufactures. Again, admit it I comes down to your personal profit. |
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Let's face facts, you're pissed that ASISs are cutting into your profits.
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But think of the poor gamers that can't get GPUs because of the Evil Miners!!! The ASIC manufactures are a god send to them!!
Sure, lets promote centralized mining by one dominant manufacturer to make gamers happy. GPUs only have 2, so what is the big difference? So if a dozen sellers rebranded Bitmain miners everything would be OK then? |
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Although it may seem that this guy dmwardjr is talking to himself, he is actually fighting for all of us GPU miners.
If nobody voices out concerns like this, there is no chance that GPU mining will survive and ASICs backed by profit-oriented companies will take over the mining scene. I'm glad dmwardjr is here and actively posting in this thread if anything to raise awareness. Keep on fighting the good fight!
Can you honestly say that if ASIC were as readily available and as affordable as GPUs you wouldnt use them? Did you read my post above? " ASIC would be fine "IF" {and it's a big if} the manufacturing of ASIC's were not CENTRALIZED, if governments did not pose a risk of banning ASIC's when they are shipped into their country, [GPU's are not so easily banned; as they have multiple purposes], and manufacturers pulling shenanigans in regards to better hardware while selling the scraps to unwary greedy driven miners trying to make a buck while being oblivious to the true "end" of what Bitmain works towards. Which is lining their own pockets at the expense of unwary individuals who are being seriously taken advantage of." And GPU manufactures and GPU sales outlet aren't lining their pockets? Of course not, they donate all their cars to charity. But think of the poor gamers that can't get GPUs because of the Evil Miners!!! The ASIC manufactures are a god send to them!! |
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Although it may seem that this guy dmwardjr is talking to himself, he is actually fighting for all of us GPU miners.
If nobody voices out concerns like this, there is no chance that GPU mining will survive and ASICs backed by profit-oriented companies will take over the mining scene. I'm glad dmwardjr is here and actively posting in this thread if anything to raise awareness. Keep on fighting the good fight!
Can you honestly say that if ASIC were as readily available and as affordable as GPUs you wouldnt use them? Did you read my post above? " ASIC would be fine "IF" {and it's a big if} the manufacturing of ASIC's were not CENTRALIZED, if governments did not pose a risk of banning ASIC's when they are shipped into their country, [GPU's are not so easily banned; as they have multiple purposes], and manufacturers pulling shenanigans in regards to better hardware while selling the scraps to unwary greedy driven miners trying to make a buck while being oblivious to the true "end" of what Bitmain works towards. Which is lining their own pockets at the expense of unwary individuals who are being seriously taken advantage of." And GPU manufactures and GPU sales outlet aren't lining their pockets? |
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Looks like every time there is a price change it's a new batch number.
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future topics in "Minning" Section
X3 useless brick - cant even use it as heater... who can help?
I will take it for the team and will offer $100/X3 plus shipping, that is if the heater is in working order I'll up it to $125, same conditions apply An auction, I love auctions.... I'll offer $125.01... LOL Come on a 1 cent increase.. Really... $130 |
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future topics in "Minning" Section
X3 useless brick - cant even use it as heater... who can help?
I will take it for the team and will offer $100/X3 plus shipping, that is if the heater is in working order I'll up it to $125, same conditions apply |
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I wonder how long they run them for testing. Maybe a week, day, a few hours?
I don't know, most of mine have been clean and new/like new condition. So I am pretty sure they aren't "testing" all of them in the manner people think, but clearly they are running and selling some of the miners as new that were clearly mining before they shipped them. So we cannot generalize some examples to be proof that all are done this way. Running for few hours/days doesn't accumulate as much dust At least, clean off the dust on product picture itself.  https://file.bitmain.com/shop-image-storage/product/2018/05/03/17/7dc1ee64-13ab-441d-8047-ca5b1603a0f8.pngYou can tell the model, that could be an S7 (that were sold on Alibaba). I bought some silverfish on Ali-Express that just dirty as hell when they arrived. I didn't get it. So Bitmain is posting a S7 pic on Z9 product page? The pic I posted is from Z9 product page. https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020180503154806494uGcSyiu806FDSorry My bad. Thought it was a random pic. |
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