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3701  Local / Hardware y Minería / Re: Para que sirven exactamente los calculos que se hacen al minnear?? on: October 28, 2011, 06:29:53 PM
Entonces cuando se alcancen los 21 millones de BTC y desaparezcan los mineros quien va a generar bloques y va a autenticar las transacciones?

Los mineros nunca desaparecen. Todas las transacciones (bloques) en el blockchain deben estar marcadas con un hash inmensamente pequeño (proof of work) para asegurarse de que son validas. Cuando el 100% de las monedas hayan sido distribuidas, la red Bitcoin debera cobrar un fee obligatorio en cada transaccion para recompenzar a los mineros que resuelven un bloque. Please, los gurus que me corrijan en caso de que haya algo incorrecto en lo que dije.

Es exactamente asi solo que las monedas seran completamente distribuidas en unos 140 años, aproximadamente, y la balanza se inclinaria poco a poco hacia el cobro de las tasas de transacción por los mineros.

Actualmente se van confirmando con cada bloque unas 20-30 transacciones y las tasas llegan a ser 5-10 centimos de bitcoin pero con el incremento de la actividad en la red supuestamente se llegarian a confirmar miles de transacciones con cada bloque manteniendo las tasas igual que ahora, opcionales o impuestas por el tamaño de transaccion.

De momento hay un limite en el numero maximo de transacciones maximas que pueden estar incluidas en cada bloque que tambien podra ser incrementado en el futuro. Por ejemplo en 16 años el "premio" para cada minero sera de unos 6.25 bitcoin nuevos que entren en la economia y la suma de las tasas podra llegar a ser lo mismo de cada bloque.

Con los avances de la tecnologia en renovables y ordenadores personales podremos suponer que vamos a tener mineros muy eficientes, que gastan poca energia y son muy rapidos, cobrando una fortuna con cada bloque que minan. El valor de cada bitcoin siempre tendera subir dado el acuerdo principal entre todos nosotros es de que no haya mas de 21 millones jamas. Es un poco dificil comprenderlo al principio dado que 99% de todos nosotros ha nacido y se ha criado en una economia inflacionaria donde los precios siempre suben y nuestra moneda siempre pierde valor unitario, se devalua.

Para que te hagas una idea del valor que tendrian los bitcoin en estos tiempos cogemos una masa monetaria, dolares, y la comparamos con los bitcoins existentes, seria valido solo si todas las personas que utilizan esos billetes cambiarian a bitcoins.

~56 trilliones USD / 7.546.950 bitcoins = 7.420.216,11 dolares por cada bitcoin

Tambien podriamos ver cuantos bitcoins tendria cada persona de este mundo si se repartirian de forma igual, cosa imposible en la realidad.

7.546.950 bitcoins / 6.775 mil millones de personas = 0,001113941 bitcoins cada uno sumando 8265,68 en dolares americanos.

Se podrian hacer muchisimas extrapolaciones y mas exactas, cogiendo todas las monedas existentes en el mundo, pero lo mas importante es que la reserva federal ha ido imprimiendo billetes sin parar y ahora parece que estamos todos jugando con dinero de monopoly que no tiene ningun valor. Bitcoin impide exactamente eso, por medio de hacer calculos repetitivos con los ordenadores, que no se pueda crear dinero sin costo alguno. Es mas bien como el oro pero en internet.

Me pasado un poco con el post pero asi me aclaro yo tambien las cosas de vez en cuando Smiley
3702  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What's the best technology to use for a face-to-face BTC transaction. on: October 28, 2011, 04:18:10 PM
I won't be interested in BitPay UNTIL it has some mechanism where implicit trust isn't required.

Steve is right that we want to eliminate that issue.  For bitcoin "purists" like yourself (for lack of a better word, sorry) the multi-sig is a great solution.

In the meantime, merchants have a contract with us just like they have a contract with Visa or Mastercard.  Any business that accepts payments from Visa or MC has those funds held by Visa or MC for a period of 24 hours, perhaps up to 72 hours in case of a 3-day weekend.  

Businesses just want to take peoples money in a convenient and reliable manner, and trust that the funds will be delivered.  That's what we do.  We automate bitcoin payments for the business so that, from their perspective, it works just like Visa, Mastercard, or PayPal.  But of course Bit-Pay is better with the whole no-chargeback benefit.

awesome features for new coming businesses but we were talking a different issue here as the thread title states...
3703  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What's the best technology to use for a face-to-face BTC transaction. on: October 28, 2011, 03:16:00 PM
..............................

I personally believe that BTC is not a currency but more like a commodity...    again we can agree to disagree...



can you please keep posting on topic here ppl ?

@FreeTrade the android wallet would be "Bitcoin Wallet" by Andreas Schildbach, we're handling an digital currency here so an electronic device would be involved in all transactions
If he doesn't have a smartphone, tablet or eeepc he could bring a wallet.dat on an usb stick or if he trusts you will meet him for sure he can transfer the funds before showing up at your place. I don't use online wallets and recommend all my friends avoid them at all cost. They learn new things in the process too. Any person letting another person take care of his/her security should not handle bitcoins or money at all.
3704  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What's the best technology to use for a face-to-face BTC transaction. on: October 28, 2011, 12:22:14 PM
Buyer really should bring a smartphone. Then you just use the Bitcoin app.

...

android smart phones are the most reliable for making this kind of transactions, you let him scan you address qr and send payment over his 3G or your wifi internet, doesn't matter actually because bitcoin is designed to work in a non-trusted environment.
You should chat or invite the buyer a coffee while you wait for confirmation (10-20 minutes). It makes you be more social in the end cause you have to be in contact while you wait for that confirm

edit: option 2 would for the buyer to handle you an usb stick with a wallet.dat file that has the wanted amount. You could close your client, swap the wallet with a symbolic link, start the client again with a -rescan param, transfer the funds to an address you own.

edit2: i proposed the only options i would trust in a face-to-face transaction  Smiley
3705  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is how Wilson and big banks ruined our economy. It's also why JFK was shot. on: October 28, 2011, 11:31:27 AM

wow awesome educating cartoon  Smiley , they should make a miniseries from it
3706  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: Plataforma de crowdfunding 100% basada bitcoins. on: October 28, 2011, 10:58:23 AM
Hola.

I just wanted to let you guys know that this idea is already being worked on by our group and I will announce it in Spanish once it happens!

Disculpame por la tardanza. No hablo español muy bien.

Es verdad lo que dices o estas jugando?

Tal vez te parecio una idea con potencial y la quieres implementar tu.

O tal vez tenias una idea similar (y no has hecho nada aun) y tienes miedo que nos adelantemos.

Dime que pasa.


+1, me subscribo a este hilo tambien
3707  Other / Off-topic / Re: Giving away 3x 1BTC. Post a good reason why you deserve one. on: October 27, 2011, 06:53:32 PM
Because I will give it to someone who hasn't heard about it before and encourage hir to do the same someday.  


Don't do that pls, make them pay for it, no one appreciates the gesture and loses interest fast.
Explain what it is show them how it works and if you do it right they will ask you to sell them some, i do it all the time and it works. now whenever i meet those ppl they keep me up to date on the price Tongue
3708  Other / Off-topic / Re: Giving away 3x 1BTC. Post a good reason why you deserve one. on: October 27, 2011, 11:45:36 AM
Thanks, hope i get more ppl to spread them or come with some new ideas too
3709  Other / Off-topic / Re: Giving away 3x 1BTC. Post a good reason why you deserve one. on: October 27, 2011, 12:50:11 AM
i would make a good use of a bitcoin printing more of these...

http://imgur.com/y3myz

spreading them free of charge  Cheesy
3710  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Photo hour - a bitcoin art project on: October 26, 2011, 11:46:47 PM
it would be nice if ppl could view your portfolio beforehand  Wink
3711  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Slush and his relation to DDoS attackers on: October 26, 2011, 08:12:02 PM
this is what you get from a strong btcg "supporter" to lazy to look for himself the real facts happened lately
Ooohh....a fan club.
It seems you take donations (LMAO) for what you post, so how much would it take for a bottom feeder like you....to NOT POST ?
(btc ready and waiting....just name an amount)

hope i didn't offend you in any way sorry, just wanted to point out this subject has been discussed already and we got our conclusions too, no need to post the stuff you did and accusing ppl. I can think from your posts you could be the botnet op harassing btcg all this time  too. Pls calm down and get up to date before posting something like this
3712  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Slush and his relation to DDoS attackers on: October 26, 2011, 07:51:38 PM
this is what you get from a strong btcg "supporter" to lazy to look for himself the real facts happened lately
3713  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: Noticias Bitcoin - prensa y paginas de blog on: October 26, 2011, 01:20:50 AM
“Bitcoin se hace material”

http://lasindias.coop/bitcoin-se-hace-material/


"Bitcoin: un mercado en expansión"
por Majamalu el 25/10/2011


http://elbitcoin.org/bitcoin-un-mercado-en-expansion/
3714  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mappers vs Packers. Why Most People Don't Get Bitcoin on: October 23, 2011, 01:45:50 AM
ENFP

Extraverted    Intuitive   Feeling   Perceiving
Strength of the preferences %

1                   75             25             33
3715  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is how the weak are protected in a free society. on: October 22, 2011, 02:23:30 PM
yeah, they deserved a hit like that, after a certain level you cannot call it "free speech"...

Well done Anonymous and Thank you
3716  Local / Español (Spanish) / Re: Noticias Bitcoin - prensa y paginas de blog on: October 22, 2011, 07:13:44 AM
"Mining de Bitcoins - El mundo de las GPU"
VIERNES 21 DE OCTUBRE DE 2011

http://www.securitybydefault.com/2011/10/mining-de-bitcoins-el-mundo-de-las-gpu.html


"Bitcoin: hacia la separación entre Moneda y Estado"
by Majamalu on 21/10/2011

http://elbitcoin.org/bitcoin-hacia-la-separacion-entre-moneda-y-estado/
3717  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Selling my bitcoins cheaper than exchange through paypal... on: October 22, 2011, 12:30:35 AM
It's not a scam. It's gambling and the rules are clearly written there. You can spend $5 without receiving a single bitcoin.

I not gambling because the outcomes can be deterministics if the bidder chooses; gambling involves chance. This is a marketplace because you can be on either side of the transaction (You can sell or buy items). This is a skill based game with many strategies.

But I'm not interested in making money from the items I post (Obviously eventually I would like the site to be profitable, but for now it would be nice to cover shipping). I'm just interested in spreading the idea of an alternative marketplace amongst bitcoin users. This platform could be used to trade bitcoins or other tangible products.

This isn't like any of these other penny auctions sites you see. Users can create the penny auctions, there is no other site like this anywhere. You can auctions new or used good, ideas, services (as long as it's legal and non-vulgar). Sometimes sellers can make more money, sometimes they lose. Just like any market you don't always win, the market decides.



20% fees is way to high i think, can you make a website like ebay or silkroad pls, this kind of "auctions" is all over the web already and ppl who know how they work try to avoid them
3718  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Flyers! on: October 20, 2011, 08:24:42 PM
Nice job, who designed it?   Love the simple look.  I want to leave these in public restrooms in my city.

Yes... +1

This looks great..

Can we(as in you Wink ) add a QR code for the tech curious ?

+1 great job

i use this one and get some attention too
3719  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: What's your shutdown point? on: October 20, 2011, 06:56:01 PM
I will shut down when an uncorrectable flaw is found in one of Bitcoin's algorithms, making it unusable.

+1
3720  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Biying solidcoins on: October 20, 2011, 11:34:43 AM
you misspelled topic title...
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