 "hey dude got some bitcoins ? gimme a pop at a time so we keep in the black" /troll Great to hear competition is on the way  |
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Congrats and thank you for sharing it with the rest of us!
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 is all I have to say about that. seriously now, we could have this done for real and have bitcoins declared virtual cult objects, no tax on those as far as i know |
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So obviously the solution is to design a currency denominated in intangible religious benefits.
Like Reddit Karma? Yeah... bitkarma tokens, virtual holy protection against bad karma |
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I still don't get how there is any "tax liability" in there but will follow on this thread and try to learn from others. Because the govt taxes TRANSACTIONS. Transactions are "usually" in the form of fiat but making them not in fiat doesn't erase the tax liability. Say Joe The Plumber is flexible and you need pipe repairs worth $300 done. Joe The Plumber could accept $300 USD (fiat) Joe The Plumber could accept 9 years of VPS hosting worth $300. Joe The Pulmber could accept Gold coin worth $300. Joe The Plumber could accept 60 BTC (worth $300). Joe The plumber could accept 100 gift cert good for one Burger King Whopper each (worth $300). In each instance a $300 transaction has taken place. Joe has gained $300 in taxable income and if the state charges a sale tax then sales tax is due on the $300 each. Bitcoin doesn't make that magically go away and making it a digital commodity has absolutely no relevance (according to the IRS and state agencies). Wait moment... Because the govt taxes TRANSACTIONS... people already pay a taxes on their income and assets, and now you tell that we pay a tax when exchanging those same assets between us ? |
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Interesting, quoting from second link... Bartering transactions are taxable
Imagine coming to work at your accounting business on a Monday morning and finding that the plumbing in the employee washroom has been leaking over the weekend. While insurance will cover the water damage, it will not pay for the new plumbing work. Fortunately, one of your clients is a plumber. So, you call Jake the Plumber and tell him your problem. The two of you agree that the work will cost an amount equivalent to six months’ accounting work. Jake does the work, you do his accounting work, and no money changes hands.
Is there any tax liability associated with this barter transaction? Yes!
I still don't get how there is any "tax liability" in there but will follow on this thread and try to learn from others. |
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I've always though about this, and its terrifying because essentially yes, I think terrorists can use Bitcoin (In small amounts) to send money across the world
*gasp* And so can my grandmother! Shit's about to get real, folks. Yes yes, but thats not the point. You have to understand, we're constantly fighting the press war and we need to come off as addressing issues like these. Banks have standards and things to prevent their facilities to be used against money laundering and terrorism I think any Bitcoin Business / Exchange where one can trade over a certain limit for Bitcoin should have some sort of compliance and procedures in place. Doesent have to be as strict or pain in the ass as the banking institutions, but we still need to come off as we are trying there isn't such thing as "money laundering" or "terrorism" in a real free market governed world. You base your assumptions on shaky grounds after being "washed" for your whole life. "Money laundering" is the term they like to use for the exchange of value without without proper screening or reporting. "Terrorism" defines the re-action with force to previous interference into a country or organization's internal affairs by force, extinct in a worldwide bitcoin economy. Present status quo and bitcoin are incompatible by design so if you stand up for bitcoin wait for the other extreme to use any means available against it. It will not matter if you comply with their laws as you already do. |
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 what germans now use as yachts |
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@MoonShadow how about using orbot to start from somewhere ? You made some very good points there but with enough time solutions will come to fill the gaps. |
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I'll have the announcement tomorrow everyone is waiting for.  Is the announcement going to be that there's going to be a big announcement next week? Is that the announcement everyone is waiting for? Yes |
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waiting forward for this tech to come out |
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Tú dices: Vendo bitcoins, pago por transferencia, el envio se realizara al recibir la transferencia, según cotización de mtgox. Mas un 2% de recargo. ¿Por qué no lo hacemos mejor así?: Compro bitcoins, pago por transferencia, el envio del dinero se realizará al recibir los bitcoins, según cotización de mtgox. Mas un 2%. ¿Qué te parece? Porque el envío de bitcoins es irreversible. Claro, pero el envío de dinero por transferencia también. Si sabes como hablar con los del banco, se podria revertir una transferencia. |
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Podemos llegar a un acuerdo. Voy en serio y soy de fiar. No los quiero para hacer negocio ni para revenderlos, por lo menos en mucho tiempo, sino para irlos usando en webs que den la opción. Pago un 10% más de la cotización de MtGox.
Muy buenas, tienes alguna cuenta en foros, ebay o mercado OTC ? Cuantos necesitas ? Soy nuevo en este tema. Llevo apenas 1 semana. He descubierto esta moneda bastante segura y fuera del control de papá Estado y me encanta. Tengo cuenta en ebay desde hace unos años: mi pseudónimo es "aprofundis" y he hecho 17 operaciones. Quiero unos 15 Btc para empezar. ¿Cómo podemos hacerlo? De acuerdo, mi reputacion esta en paraipan.myopenid.com por si quieres hechar un vistazo. Podriamos hacerlo a traves de las cuentas del banco o quedar en Madrid en persona, y de paso tomamos algo. ¿Tienes cuenta de Paypal? si, pero si vas a decir lo que pienso, mejor que no. Estare por los foros hablando. Te deseo suerte  Es infalible: en todas partes me pasa igual. Basta con mencionar la palabra "paypal" y se acabó el trato. Tengo que reflexionar más sobre esto. Debe ser que estoy haciendo algo mal. Gracias por todo. (sin ironía). De nada hombre. Si de verdad quieres comprar bitcoins en España mirate el hal-cash, en comparación con paypal es irreversible e igual de rapido. |
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No conocía halcash, aunque tiene buena pinta.
Funciona desde el propio cajero o desde la web? es anónimo o tengo que poner mi nombre en algún sitio? seguramente tendré que usar mi tarjeta del banco, no?
El precio medio de mtgox + 5%.
Sin tarjeta ni na, mientras que sepas algunos datos como la cantidad, el codigo que recibes por sms y el que te dice la otra persona y tu numero de telefono movil, te llevas el dinero sin que el cajero proteste. Salen un poco caros, comprare en otra ocasion si eso. Un saludo. |
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Soy residente en España, en la Comunidad Valenciana.
Podría aceptar transferencia bancaria y otros pagos corrientes. También envío de efectivo por carta (hay formas seguras de hacerlo)
Acceptas halcash ? http://www.halcash.com/es/bienvenidos/A que precio los tienes ? |
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