What my brother and I really need right now is some help from some block chain sleuthers to help us find companies that the scammers ordered from.

Phoenix
1898wZEAmekD4JFNDZSz5Kvm6xujwm1DLr (44.65 btc)
1FxU9V7Jac4EBv8YNshMCZdCkpmUw7X8LX  (7.14 btc)

Maui (Daryl)
1GzBFMvgrLYZRBVrjTV431pVDwT8CJM4Ed (8.9301 btc)
19Hbw5bwag6wjHGmHPvZ1zSPdjAY9GQHoo (8.8301 btc)

Perhaps 2 of us can take 1 of the four address and follow the transactions and make a spread sheet of where it all went?

Dear customers,
Here are our company details:
HashCoins LLC
Reg.number 12490015
Teaduspargi 8, Tallinn, 12618 Estonia

Please visit our website for updates or follow us on Facebook.

What is the ID transaction for the payment you made to CTS Miners? Without this information your "pics" are meaningless and only proves you know how to use Microsoft Paint.

collaborate with the fraudulent scheme?  I'm sitting here with a knife in my gut from loosing 41 grand asshole. Fuck off.

Pfffft...  You said the same thing about KNC, and I made 5x my investment.

So far, it looks legit boys.

AND of course they kept their work secret.  DUH!

Verified...The code actually works

Rebecca Saunder's email seems like she is a real person and I think they will flesh out to be legit in the end.

Not to worry Rebecca....  every asic company in here got the troll treatment, and I see many units sold in a quick time... a good response if you ask me.

As more people do actual research rather than balking, they too will see that you are legit and sales will take 15 minutes rather than 24 hours to sell out 2,000 units.

We all predicted the "unknown" asic companies secretly developing...and here they are...

The data points are really starting to add up to them being legit.

he's my brother Merv, and we worked together all day plus 2 verifying them.... just sayin'

I did the same for knc when everyone was crying scam.... now look at them.   I really don't care what your opinion of us is.  really.
Drawing conclusions on a WHIOS search without resolving the addresses, then using it as evidence is exactly the kind of idiocy that needs prevented. Daryl is a master at web development, with years and years of cutting edge dev experience, and has developed programs years ago that still sell for 5 grand a pop today. I cherish his help, you should too.

Some of you are so vested in this being a scam, that you refuse to change your mind no matter where the evidence leads.  I also acknowledge, that now since I spent some BTC, I am now vested in this being legit as well.

Sheeze, now I know how Copernicus felt.  I am just showing you some evidence that the Earth may not be the center of the solar system and you guys are going ballistic on me for it.

Any takers?  doubtful... it's so much easier to troll & bash blindly

wow Augusto...lol   "mmwin" just asked   "where is their fabrication plant you said?"
It shows Essex not only hosts CMS, but is big on microprocessor companies and the tech in general, including Intel

That's ridiculously smart! Makes sense...

To be fair, this is not the same photo of the building on the CMS website, which unfortunately is common practice for companies.

Don't ask me for anything else, because you are not going to get it.  If you don't believe me, I don't care.

The people who took a risk were rewarded.  This is a risk, and hopefully I will be rewarded and not totally shafted.

I think you are just angry  and like to come onto forums and attempt to get people in a tizzy by making false accusations, when those same people are only trying to share what they think with community.  

So, the Fab facility Location is not that importnant to me. The real question is: Is CTS Miner really part of CMS? The data points suggest it is, but you are right that it is not 100%.  For me it is 95%.

Read the thread and most of your questions will be answered.  BUT, yes, Rebecca made the connection and I validated it to my satisfaction.

what's "unsubstantiated" is your lack of understanding... someone has to vette them, and he made a purchase, you did not,... duh

I think you can all fend for yourselves, I'm doing this just like in KNC for those of us who can actually afford these machines, and want to know.

the site says they use a common(shared) R&D facility, so I'm assuming same for chips

so If I'm a scammer, I'm scamming myself pretty hard, lol... Satisfied?  or do I need a blood sample or something?..  
and BTW, neither Maui or myself EVER recommended CTS to anyone... yet

I'm freaking out over here trying to validate the biggest purchase of my life, and most are not exactly helping anyone...  although it does make sense to keep high tech developments like this secret, its been done like this for ages....oh well, its all profits anyway hopefully monday is better

... and also they (and I) we're involved in finding out the connection to www.butterflyiabs.com....

Phoenix1969 donate:     bitcoinadress: 1HPgsQTVCHuZSRi2Ed29CZZK7VutgkTPvz

ie he does not know i'm doing this and probably is too proud to ask...so i will suck it up and ask for him

Searing

If anyone could let me know if they have any experience with Hashertech.com.  Has anyone been mining with the 1TH Miners they shipped?  Wondering if I should buy one or not?

Thank you, any feedback is appreciated. 

fwiw:

https://twitter.com/GinelliSaunders
https://twitter.com/Unique_PR

RS was the only one w/ an email address and the website didn't say she was part of the company (if I remember correctly), only a spokesperson for.  She may have been used as a proxy. Who knows.

Hi everyone,

My name is Rebecca Saunders and I am the marketing manager of CTS Miner (http://www.ctsminer.com/).

I am pleased to announce to you all that today we are launching our two 20nm stand alone bitcoin mining products - the CTS CirrusMine and CTS StratusMine. Our products will operate at a minimum hash rate of 3 TH/s and 5 TH/s respectively.

Designed, engineered, built and currently being tested in house in our Essex based factory, we are the only UK based bitcoin mining designers, manufacturer and distributor all under one roof. Our products are available now to pre-order for shipping at the beginning of April and we have initial capacity to produce 1000 units of each for the first batch.

The price of our 3 TH/s miner is $5000 and the price of our 5 TH/s miner is just $7500 with free worldwide delivery via UPS for all pre-orders. We are aiming for the mass market and genuinely believe our products will change the face of Bitcoin mining and will become the industry standard.

We have been established in the microprocessor industry in the UK since 1975 and are an elite group formed internally from a world-class microprocessor engineering company. We have spent nearly a year developing our two incredibly powerful and advanced Bitcoin miners and are very excited today to be in a position where we can release them.

I will be available to answer any questions you may have on this thread or alternatively, if I am offline, you may contact me at: r.saunders@ctsminer.com

Alternatively, please call the sales team on +44 1371 606056 or email info@ctsminer.com.

Thank you and kind regards,
Rebecca Saunders.

You can visit our website for more information here:
http://www.ctsminer.com/

Please read our press release:
http://www.prlog.org/12272617-new-3-ths-5-ths-bitcoin-miners-with-20nm-asics-from-cts-miner-will-revolutionise-cryptocurrency.html

Augusto, I'm not arguing that we are not trying to define node trust.  We are.  But, in the words of the great hen master:

"What is needed is an electronic payment system based on cryptographic proof instead of trust,
allowing any two willing parties to transact directly with each other without the need for a trusted
third party."

In this debate, we discuss the important distinction of trust in human third-party institutions and human perceptions versus purely machine derived trust.  Even PGP's web of trust requires human input, where as Bitcoin, using a combination of cryptography, p2p and probability, today does not.  

To sum up these concepts, let's coin a new phrase: "human trustless".  Combining those two Websters definitions, a "human trustless" solution is one that does not require trust in humans.  

I like trillion's definition, too. 

"'Trusting the network' is pretty much the definition of trustless."

Trustless means: not having to trust a single entity. "Trusting the network" is pretty much the definition of trustless.

The crooks are erasing their traces.
I am sure there are forum members who can assemble traces back to their origin.

Network Whois record

Don't have an IP address for which to get a record

DNS records

name   class   type   data   time to live
ctsminer.com   IN   NS   ititch.mercury.orderbox-dns.com   86400s   (1.00:00:00)
ctsminer.com   IN   NS   ititch.mars.orderbox-dns.com   86400s   (1.00:00:00)
ctsminer.com   IN   NS   ititch.venus.orderbox-dns.com   86400s   (1.00:00:00)
ctsminer.com   IN   NS   ititch.earth.orderbox-dns.com   86400s   (1.00:00:00)

My hat goes off to Augusto Croppo, who first pointed out this his find with the IP address 185.8.106.66 that is associate with butterflyiab.com.

I have spoken with Phoenix on Skype a few times + bought a Jupiter from him, where I trusted him by sending the coins first and then waited for the miner to arrive from Hawaii.
From these interactions I can conclude with fair certainty that it is highly unlikely he is a scammer.
I thing he just fell for the scam because greed took over and he wanted to be first in line as usual.

Augusto, I agree with you that it is true that a trustless transaction system can exist in any type of p2p network, including one built with human trust institutions (like SSL).  However, there are many reasons why a human "trustless" p2p network is preferred over one built on human trust institutions. 

More accurately, some of us would like to preserve to the fullest extent possible:

- transaction user anonymity

- node anonymity

- global network accessibility (keep governments from being able to block access)

- network uptime (keep anyone from shutting down honest nodes)

- secure (not easily compromised just because a human institution or its data become compromised)

It's clear that some people have no regard for anonymity, some value it a little, but not essential, and many regard it as essential to protecting our freedom in world where technology is increasingly concentrating central power -- and power corrupts.  So, once a person is identified as being in the first two camps, the rest of us, well, aren't likely to trust them. 

The great thing is we can use the very technology used to create bitcoins, including the combination of the p2p network and the blockchain, to create new concepts that strengthen the network without throwing privacy to the wind. 

While node trustability is distinct from the transactions in the blockchain, the blockchain is in effect our first large scale p2p database.  This type of database depends on the survival of the p2p network.  Likewise, the p2p network can better survive if it is extended to leverage not only the bitcoin blockchain, but new blockchains that can hold new types of information.  Perhaps the next evolution of a highly resilient self-healing p2p network is one with its own non-currency blockchain(s) so it can learn, build intelligence, and respond intelligently to threats.

Nope. Still not trust, only verification. There is no assumption of trust anywhere. Even in the case of a majority of nodes actively attacking, there is still no need to trust - the attack can be seen in quasi real time.

Totally different issue. If I'm a simpleton I have to "take it on trust" that 5 + 7 is 12. That doesn't mean that mathematics is based on trust.

Let's take another look at your original statement:
False.

Bro, do you even ... solve the Byzantine Generals problem?

SCAM WEBSITE you are hosting.

Domain: ctsminer.com
IP: 199.188.201.252

http://domains-by-day.com/2014-01-24/ctsminer.com-domain-name-data.html
shows that ctsminer.com was originally associated with IP 185.8.106.66 (on another network)

THIS IS A KNOWN SCAMMER IP:
https://www.virustotal.com/en/ip-address/185.8.106.66/information/

A research using domaintools.com Internet page shows the domain ctsminer.com was redirect from the IP address 185.8.106.66 to the IP address 199.188.201.252. In accordance with the above evidence, the Internet Page was host in the IP address 185.8.106.66 from 13rd January 2014 to 17th January 2014.  An examination of the IP address 185.8.106.66 reveals some interesting results, such as:

https://www.virustotal.com/en/ip-address/185.8.106.66/information/

https://i.imgur.com/0Ei0aou.png

The WHOIS record on 19th January 2014 for the domain butterflyiab.com matches exactly with the WHOIS record on 12th January 2014 for the domain ctsminers.com:

https://i.imgur.com/m9c3ZD4.png

https://i.imgur.com/BC7lbZt.png

That means it is very likely the same person operating the domain ctsminers.com is also responsible for the domain butterflyiab.com. Both domains were first directed to a hosting service located in Lithuania. One domain is being used to perpetrate a fraudulent scheme and the other was registered to prey on people which misspell the official domain from Butterfly Labs.

he provided all the proof you need, but thats up to him...  i cant see any harm in it