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4641  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading bitcoin in person. on: May 13, 2011, 07:37:37 PM
I find there is a big problem with bitcoin as it is not able to be traded in person.

Please tell me that I am wrong and show me the solutions.

Thank you.

I'm meeting a person in Starbucks tomorrow. I'll let you know how mission impossible goes.

Sorry for the delayed update.

It went well. I went to my instawallet on his computer and copied the address from his client. He put dollar bills on the table.
4642  Economy / Economics / Re: Hey you, with the bitcoins, mind the bubble. on: May 13, 2011, 07:29:01 PM
Here's my conception of a normal bubble.

Something moves up fast, maybe for legitimate reasons or maybe from government interference, doesn't really matter. Lots of people who don't know why the price moved up jump in and buy, others don't want to be left out and buy even more. All this demand can hold price up in the short term, but eventually the high price draws in more production. The price cannot remain much above costs of production for very long.

A high bitcoin price does not increase the production of bitcoins. Demand could shrivel away, but that's not how bubbles usually pop. Once the bandwaggoning by normal people who don't get it or care to begins there is no stopping.
4643  Economy / Economics / Re: Maximum value of a single bitcoin on: May 13, 2011, 06:39:43 PM
World monetary mass estimated by the International Monetary Fund in 2009 was 4 trillion dollars or 4,000,000,000,000,000,000 $

4,000,000,000,000,000,000 / 21,000,000 btc = 190 billions dollars for 1 btc
 Grin

A trillion is the number that has more and more zeros until you get bored. Public school, I assume?

Sorry for being a jerk Smiley
4644  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WARNING! These forums are compromised. Beware of SRBLCHE on: May 13, 2011, 06:03:26 PM
You don't say why you think he got information from this site, or even what information he has. I'm suspicious.
4645  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What it costs to kill Bitcoin: $20 million on: May 13, 2011, 08:26:06 AM
From https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses

Quote
An attacker that controls more than 50% of the network's computing power can, for the time that he is in control, exclude and modify the ordering of transactions. This allows him to:
Reverse transactions that he sends while he's in control
Prevent some or all transactions from gaining any confirmations
Prevent some or all other generators from getting any generations

Okay, so someone can spend $20M to pause the network. It isn't dead and can be awoken for $1.
4646  Economy / Economics / Re: Maximum value of a single bitcoin on: May 13, 2011, 08:21:07 AM
I think there is an upper limit in the current implementation of bitcoin
1 BTC @ 1Million USD makes 1 Satoshi worth 1 USD which makes commerce difficult.
Imagin if you couldn't buy anything under $1 or somthing worth $1.50 would have to be rounded to $2.


.00000001BTC = $1 means .00001BTC = $1000 means .01BTC = $1M

Satoshi was no dummy.

That's worth completing:
0.00000001BTC = $1 means   1BTC = $100Million USD ($100,000,000)  

Bit more realistic:
If 'pennies' are still needed:
0.00000001BTC = $0.01 means   1BTC = $1Million USD ($1,000,000)  



"Still needed" as if anything has cost a penny in two decades. Smiley
4647  Economy / Economics / Re: 1 BTC = 20 USD on: May 13, 2011, 07:42:12 AM
Theymos, I'll bet you the price hits $20 within a year or $15 by the end of this year. Want to bet 50BTC?

I will bet against $15 by the end of the year, 50 BTC.

Betting in BTC essentially gives the people betting on high BTC value very good odds, as the btc will be worth more if they win.

Forgot to book this, want to do it now?
4648  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What it costs to kill Bitcoin: $20 million on: May 13, 2011, 07:35:21 AM
Why do you think the network is dead if someone has half of the network power? Have you researched this at all?
4649  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Switching to mBTC by default? on: May 13, 2011, 07:30:21 AM
The market will take care of this when the issue arises!

For sure. If it's true that you can sell bitcoins for more $$ if you call them millibitcoins then smart people (there are some around here iirc) will buy from people who call them bitcoins and sell to people for more by calling them millibitcoins.
4650  Economy / Economics / Re: Maximum value of a single bitcoin on: May 13, 2011, 06:28:33 AM
I think there is an upper limit in the current implementation of bitcoin
1 BTC @ 1Million USD makes 1 Satoshi worth 1 USD which makes commerce difficult.
Imagin if you couldn't buy anything under $1 or somthing worth $1.50 would have to be rounded to $2.


.00000001BTC = $1 means .00001BTC = $1000 means .01BTC = $1M

Satoshi was no dummy.
4651  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What just happened? on: May 13, 2011, 06:22:09 AM


Yes, those transactions (received by me) went from confirmed to unconfirmed but they're still sorted as if they were confirmed. They are now back in the queue.
Happened right after 2 new blocks within a minute appeared, the 2nd of those containing over 27000 BTC. This looks bad..

Did they go from 1/unconfirmed to 0 or from like 5 and 6?

4652  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Breakthrough idea? TravelEx - Utilizing An Existing Network With BitBills.com on: May 13, 2011, 05:47:56 AM
Currency exchangers exchanging bitcoins is a natural thing. I don't know if large existing companies are going to be quick on the uptake though. I don't see how bitbills helps things here particularly. I think bitbills fits a niche, but I don't see why travelers are more likely to prefer physical cards to actual coins right now and it shipping and keeping inventory at every location would be the hardest part of the whole thing. It's way better to keep $10M in bitcoins in one location than $10k in each of 1000 locations where some locations will sel out in one transaction and others will just sit there and you'll constantly reshuffle physical cards instead of taking advantage of the ease of bitcoin.
4653  Other / Obsolete (selling) / Re: Buy coffee with Bitcoins at BitBrew.net on: May 12, 2011, 09:54:33 AM


It's nice to have a new coffee merchant, the old one had an attitude.

Yeah, I hear too much coffee can do that to some people.


I'm dying, that was great.

Where did it come from?

 
4654  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Low Risk Bitcoin Investment on: May 12, 2011, 09:28:19 AM

What do MtGox's market rates have to do with my services?

Everything since that's the offer you've got to beat to get interest?
4655  Economy / Economics / Re: Media an it's effects on market manipulation (enjoy the rise) on: May 12, 2011, 09:25:58 AM
People seem to think that publicity will cause rampant speculation and eventual collapse of this speculation, but I think more Bitcoin buyers will prompt entrepreneurs to establish more Bitcoin businesses, thus prompting even more Bitcoin buyers, which prompts even more business creation, etc.

A common mistake in economics is to only look at the consumption side of the equation. Don't forget about production!

Yeah, I think 2 weeks ago someone might have looked at the $6M 'market cap' and decided not to work on, say, another bitcoin poker site. But at a $33M level it's a little more enticing.

If the bitcoiners are richer and more numerous then there is more profit to be made in serving them.
4656  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Intruducing bcMatch.com - The new weekly BitCoin Lottery! on: May 12, 2011, 09:23:34 AM
Hey guys,

Ok.  First of all - big thank you's to mewantsbitcoins and PwrLeveld for their input regarding their thinking this was a dating service.  I get it, and your posts make total sense.

That being said, I have puchased the domain http://www.btclottery.com and it is now the official home of our website.

bcMatch.com will for the time being forward to btclottery.com.  Perhaps in the future, if someone wants bcMatch to create a dating service, I would be game to trade the domain for BTC.

Thanks again everyone!  And remember all bets previous to the switch are still safe.  You can verify that in Block Explorer and on the new site as well.

Cheers!


Haha, worth it I think since I thought the same thing. Granted in kind of a "could it really be?" sort of way.
4657  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bounty 20 BTC: Wi-Fi Hotspot, enabled by bitcoin on: May 12, 2011, 06:33:27 AM
How'd they be able to pay with bitcoin if they don't have internet to begin with? Tongue

Even a free hotspot usually requires you to give them data to get it opened up. This is obviously possible.

Now what would be really cool is if there was easy software you could run on your home computer or router to give access to others for coins.
4658  Economy / Marketplace / Re: T-shirt contest and future bitcoin retail site on: May 12, 2011, 12:57:34 AM
Money doesn't grow on trees.... anymore

                  Use Bitcoin
4659  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Donate bitcoins to Adam Curry and help get a DSC episode dedicated to bitcoin. on: May 12, 2011, 12:37:38 AM

I certainly do not count myself as a crank. I'm allergic to conspiracy theories. I have a scientific and sceptical outlook on the world, which also shapes my views on economics.  

Everyone considers themselves to be the rational moderate.

Ha! Not me. I'm an occasionally rational extremist!
4660  Economy / Economics / Re: And just wait till they finally hear about Bitcoin! on: May 12, 2011, 12:11:44 AM


the Euro was doomed from the beginning.  trying to force together different cultures, attitudes, and work ethics isn't possible just b/c u fuse the currencies into one.  certain groups will always be lazier than others and will seek to get somethin for nothin. 


I think you are right about this.


Europe is the reason why i don't believe in a one world currency like the gold bugs espouse.  its just not possible.  we are a diverse world of peoples with different idea and needs.  this is why gold and silver are starting to drop and the stock market will reverse down.  its time.  batten down the hatches.

But not this. Fiat (as in backed by force, not by consensus) is the mechanism by which some gain at the expense of others. Having a group who can debase your savings is bad enough, as the overlords are farther removed socially they will abuse you worse and worse. But this power just doesn't exist with gold. I'm not talking about a gold standard. A government promise for gold isn't "as good as gold". I'm talking about free people choosing gold.

I don't think they will choose gold now, fwiw, Bitcoin is just better.
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