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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: all my coins gone today, sucks
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on: June 22, 2011, 12:30:28 AM
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First, the general public has to succumb to the fact that you're not an idiot and that mybitcoin's database was actually hacked.
I believe mybitcoin's database was hacked. You may also be an idiot. So they just haven't gotten around to taking my coins??? wth is wrong with you?
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Economy / Marketplace / Re: Double Trouble with a Shuffle (early or late, doesn't matter)
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on: June 22, 2011, 12:14:15 AM
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Tell me if this is right.
We all send money and then you put the amounts in random order. If there is double your bet left after your place in line you get your amount doubled.
Aren't you going to be keeping a big chunk almost every time? You say "can't" pay out, does that mean that if there is not a full doubling left you get it all?
Tell what happens with these to make it clear.
6 3 1
9 1 2
1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 1
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Economy / Economics / Re: Save the Coin - Kill Speculators
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on: June 21, 2011, 10:24:01 PM
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An exchange is just a place for people to agree on a price at which to make a trade. Adding limits is just forbidding people from making a trade that they want to make. People will just go somewhere else. The only reason a thing like this can exist in 'normal' world is that armed men stop other people from opening free exchanges.
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Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: A proposed solution to adjust for lost Bitcoins: wallet 'heartbeats'
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on: June 21, 2011, 10:20:49 PM
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I posted similar idea before, except with shorter time but coin sitters hated it. I still think it's a good idea. What about people who just want to have a savings wallet? I have one hidden away that I don't want to bring online for ~30 years. Don't you think it's a bit unfair if you just sit on coins for 30 years without a single transaction while OTHERS provide security for the network 24/7, also for you? If heartbeat would need need a transaction fee to be accepted, that would mean the miners would be paid also by those who just hoard money for years. It would be stupid to have coins lost because you forgot to connect to the network. Forget to connect once per 7 years???! Additionally, there's not really a good way to have a decentralized way to do this. It's very easy, Bitcoins with transaction older than 7 years can't be spent. So heartbeat transaction would be basically transaction back to the same address done automatically by the client for coins that are for example more then one year old. If it got older, the numbre of coins would be simply mineable again. It would also help keep transaction chain reasonably short. So you think holding coins and doing nothing is bad, but holding coins and paying yourself once a year suddenly makes you worthy to keep coins?
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Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: A proposed solution to adjust for lost Bitcoins: wallet 'heartbeats'
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on: June 21, 2011, 10:19:21 PM
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As we all know, the true number of Bitcoins in circulation will always be some unknown number less than the total number of Bitcoins mined. This is not ideal. Wallets can be lost, deleted, or the underlying media on which they are stored on can be damaged beyond recovery.
Are Bitcoins in it for the long haul? Or are they just a five year experiment?
I'm proposing a solution: wallet 'heartbeats'. I'm not sure if it is technically compatible with the existing software infrastructure, but I think it might be. If we define a heartbeat as connecting to the network, then perhaps wallets should give a heartbeat at least every seven years in order to remain valid. Any coins in a wallet that has not connected to the network for seven years become invalid and are made available to be remined, by some method that allows for their easy mining. Because I don't fully understand the mechanics behind the software, I don't know if this is possible, but if it is, I believe the idea has merit.
Why would you want to add trouble to make some people lose coins? What is the upside of this?
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Anyone received verification that the claim was successful?
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on: June 21, 2011, 09:47:31 PM
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For those who are waiting for their claim to get processed, I have the following point:
I think that even if the first 20% of the claims will get processed reaaaly quick (like in 12 hours) the exchange will stay closed because MtGox will wait for the other - at least - 50-60% of the user DB to get their claims submitted. Reopening trade before the majority of the users is cleared would be just unfair! And of course those users above 20% will have forgotten about Mtgox and wont look into the issue for another week or two.
Keeping this in mind one can say that ETA for Mt.Gox exchange is at least 1 to 2 weeks, or even longer!
So everyone just relax in the mean time... :-)
It isn't unfair to let people who care enough to get claims in trade and people who don't have to wait.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who has the authority?
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on: June 21, 2011, 07:02:41 PM
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Unless you signed a private contract with them stating otherwise, all you can do is trust them and ultimately they're in control. Again, the reality of the situation.
I don't know what is right in every situation, but it certainly isn't following everything the gets written down and signed and nothing else. Anyone insisting on this specific requirement is not good to do business with. It's pretty much a way to lie verbally while insisting that you keep your contracts.
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Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Pay miners to rewrite block(s)?
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on: June 21, 2011, 07:02:09 PM
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Problem... make a new transaction after paying somebody... That has a fee higher fee. Means that double spends are easy.
Keep in mind that this is only feasible for large amounts and that it gets more expensive the more confirms you want to wait before double spending. If this became common we would know how much miners require to go back a certain number of blocks and wait until it would be more than the whole amount of the tx to deliver goods.
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Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Letter to the EFF
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on: June 21, 2011, 06:33:54 AM
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Fuck them. So are they endorsing VISA and MasterCard or not? Fuck them. Are they endorsing dollars used around the globe for terror, theft, and rape?
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Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Pay miners to rewrite block(s)?
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on: June 21, 2011, 05:10:40 AM
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I'm think of this as essentially a message saying "Hey network, something went really wrong and I'm willing to pay X for you to go back and fix it".
It's actually seeming to me like the equilibrium is for large amounts of stolen coins to get paid to miners. If person A with access gives a modest fee then B comes back with a high fee and A comes back with a 99% fee and maybe B does 100% to spite him. This assumes you can nearly instantly reissue a tx, but anyone who's on top of that is unlikely to be in this situation.
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Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Pay miners to rewrite block(s)?
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on: June 21, 2011, 05:05:00 AM
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Cunning. It wouldn't work as you've proposed it, though - in order for the rewritten block to be accepted, you'd need to build a longer chain than the original one, and since all the mining pool that didn't find the first block would have no incentive to do so that's unlikely to happen. The obvious solution is that whoever builds the first block gives an incentive - in the form of a transaction fee - to find the next one, and so on. Even with this, it'd only work if mining pools making up significantly more than 50% of the total hashing power were in on the conspiracy.
The real barrier is that this would undermine trust in Bitcoin itself, which would probably make the conspirators' profits worthless.
You only need to get the chain to be the longest for a second then everyone else starts working on it for you. If you are mining then you consider what your chances are of finding 2 blocks in a row and getting 50 + 50 + 1000 compared to the chance that you'll get only 1 block and it'll go to waste. It does not require mining pools at all, but they do make it more feasible for people to make the most profitable decisions without actually having to do it themselves. And why would you need "way more than 50%"? If you have more than 50% it's a lock, but with less you still have a chance. I don't think it would undermine confidence in bitcoin at all. This can only happen if two or more entities that both have the private keys for an address are fighting over where to send the coins. It should reduce the profit in stealing someones wallet a little, that's all I see.
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Economy / Economics / Re: Marginal value of a bitcoin
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on: June 20, 2011, 08:37:33 PM
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If I were just looking at bitcoins as an outsider, not knowing a thing about mining etc.. I'd probably pay around 20 bucks each because they are quite abudant at the moment.
Maybe up to 50 bucks if fiat currencies start sinking in relation to gold/silver, and crash due to an economic crisis etc.
$1000+? Not in this lifetime without a very good reason. (Like the devaluation of dollars)
What if there was a a merchant who would give you $1010 (value to you) worth of stuff? $1000 still too much? This is off my point, but my point is either not clear or not interesting anyway.
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Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Pay miners to rewrite block(s)?
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on: June 20, 2011, 08:14:12 PM
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Is there anything stopping this?
1. get 25000 coins stolen 2. after a few confirmations submit a tx with 1000BTC fee that comes from the now empty address 3. The fee could be claimed by rewriting the block that the first tx happened in.
Obviously this could be used for bad (double spends) too. Right now it can't be done with normal client, and miners aren't on the lookout anyway, but is it possible?
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