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3841  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: BitCams.com on: June 23, 2011, 07:51:22 PM
Jessy is a female name

Thanks:-) The rest was just... depressing LOL

As I'm thinking about future opportunities, this concept of moat needs to be burned into my mind lest I waste another 2 months of work.  Thanks for the reminder.

Check out Rework by 37 Signals, pretty much the best book for anyone starting a business. Best business book I ever read.

A savvy businessman could have taken all the cash flowing in and created a rock solid site and then been THE online exchange to beat in the coming years.  I suspect it will be the same for Bitcoins and porn.

Bitcoin is actually not suitable for traditional porn membership sites. With competitive affiliate percentages a lot of sites don't actually get in the black on a new member in the first month.

The bread and butter of membership sites- the absolute lifeblood is recurring billing. Without all those guys who signup, then forget to cancel most sites would not be profitable. With Bitcoins low adoption rate, dropping it in as a payment option for a little buzz and SE traffic is fine- but if it ever caught on and became a significant portion of signups it would cannibalize recurring charges and bankrupt the site. It would really only be practical setting it as Bitcoin for three month membership- we do that with money orders, but it's a tough sell.

Sites that allow you to purchase a single video clip (clips4sale) still have a following- but mostly for hard to find fetish footage you can't get for free. Static content is a very, very tough market to break into these days and not one I'd recommend.

There are certianly opportunities with crypto-currency, but they will probably be realized by people who work within their existing skill set.

Might there not be a demand for porn sites that can't bill you over and over? I don't need to buy porn, but I'd prereally paranoid about the cancellation process and would gladly pay 10-20% more if I had rock solid proof I couldn't be  billed again without consent.

I realize that all current customers are willing to deal with the risk of recurring payments, but that doesn't mean there isn't a set of people who stay away because of this issue, but could be enticed if it was solved.

I think one good model for a site would be to provide performers with support for a cut of revenue, and allow nearly anyone to join, but tag and organize so that people only see what they want. Performers can put out some content for free and ask for donations and then sell private or custom content too.
3842  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Camp BX Platform in Beta: Margin Trading, Short Selling, and Advanced Orders on: June 23, 2011, 07:23:45 PM
Will there be a transaction history? I don't mean for the trades made on the site, but a list of deposits/withdraws of dollars/bitcoins.

Holliday,
    Yes, we are implementing fund movement history later this week for following three transactions:

1) Bitcoin Withdrawals
2) USD Deposits
3) USD Withdrawals

We will not be able to show Bitcoin deposits, because it requires an un-elegant technical solution.  This seemingly simple feature will have to wait for a mod to the core Bitcoin client.

Thank you,
     Keyur


I don't understand. You need to know how much is deposited in order to credit it. Why can't you display it?


FM,
     We don't see timestamps of individual deposit transactions.  There is a much more elegant solution planned that will take some time to implement.

Hope this makes sense,
     Keyur



So there will be a record of deposits, but not in the 'history' section since they aren't on a timeline?

Would it be so bad to list the time that the funds were credited to the account instead of the transaction being sent?
3843  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Camp BX Platform in Beta: Margin Trading, Short Selling, and Advanced Orders on: June 23, 2011, 06:43:04 PM
Will there be a transaction history? I don't mean for the trades made on the site, but a list of deposits/withdraws of dollars/bitcoins.

Holliday,
    Yes, we are implementing fund movement history later this week for following three transactions:

1) Bitcoin Withdrawals
2) USD Deposits
3) USD Withdrawals

We will not be able to show Bitcoin deposits, because it requires an un-elegant technical solution.  This seemingly simple feature will have to wait for a mod to the core Bitcoin client.

Thank you,
     Keyur


I don't understand. You need to know how much is deposited in order to credit it. Why can't you display it?
3844  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Doug Casey on Bitcoin on: June 23, 2011, 12:30:12 PM
gold is backed by thousands of years of history.

Salt was backed by thousands of years of history ... until somebody invented the refrigerator.

good. then calculate the likelihood of something like that happening in your lifetime, and there is your risk for gold.

100%...?

Bitcoin: A refrigerator for gold

Naw, I love some gold. When Bitcoin is close to correctly priced I'm going to buy a ton (literally maybe).
3845  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Bitcoin press hits, notable sources on: June 23, 2011, 12:11:05 PM
The Mt.gox event was just on the dutch radio.
Some times I think Mt.gox did this intentionally to get tons of publicity.

There getting what they want if this is true.
damn..

Lol, I highly highly doubt it, but it does coincide with their new software rollout...
3846  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Bitcoin press hits, notable sources on: June 23, 2011, 10:42:43 AM

Needs some sex. I give it 4 days.

it's only a matter of time until there is a bitcoin prostitution story all over cable news.

First they ignore us then they have sex with us then we win.
3847  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Bitcoin press hits, notable sources on: June 23, 2011, 10:22:23 AM
http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/22/6917264-bitcoin-virtual-money-gets-hacked-and-heisted

Quote
The attack on the Mt. Gox Bitcoin Exchanged involved an attempt convert 400,000 Bitcoin credits to $9 million "real money" (the exchange value at the time). That suspiciously large transaction caused Mt. Gox to take itself offline to investigate, and the resulting panic caused Bitcoin's real money value dramatically.

Now I have been drinking, but I don't think that's the reason I can't parse that last clause.
3848  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: recurring transactions on: June 23, 2011, 10:10:56 AM
It doesn't belong in the main client. Write a simple script or have someone do it for you. The last thing we need is 100 threads like "Zomg, I just donated 50 bitcents to EFF even though they don't want it anymore and since the value went to $29000/BTC I could have bought a car instead"
3849  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Could someone knowledgeable explain this? on: June 23, 2011, 10:07:18 AM
It's really irritating that whoever is doing all of this 'research' is calling everything a wallet.
3850  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Pay miners to rewrite block(s)? on: June 23, 2011, 10:01:22 AM
Even if this was implemented I wouldn't hassle people at my shop to wait around for small value tx to confirm. People just don't steal very often when they looked you in the eyes. How many people walk out on restaurant bills? So few that everyone gets served all they want and pays afterwards.

This is a very powerful argument. The problem is that many people may not even realise they are stealing. A single corrupt individual releases a new android app that attempts a double spend 2 minutes after every transaction. This spend targets 50% of the value at miners 25% to the author and 25% back to the originator. This gets pitched as a "loyalty program" where you would occasionally win 25% cashback on transactions. Initially people don't even know they are stealing, so this gets real popular real quick.. Then retailers make a noise and most people know, but suddenly it looks more like a morally gray area.

Also most people won't steal from a mom & pop shop after looking the shopkeeper in the eye. But many have far less of a problem ripping off Wallmart or pretty much any giant faceless corporation. How many people point it out when they are given too much change at a till?
 
For bigger, but not huge, stuff maybe you wait 1 confirm. Paying the network to go back even one block is going to cost a lot more than a tv. For selling cars and larger, you know how you are dealing with anyway.

Problem is, if many people are doing it, the total bribe quickly adds up. If it works, more people start doing it, more miners become corruptible and the vicious cycle fuels itself. Even a 0.01 BTC bribe may be enough if the block was going to get invalidated anyway due to other unrelated bribes.
 

Those are some good points. I hadn't thought about the rewrite fees adding up, but of course they do.

All of this is only a problem as long as people are sending coins directly, but there will surely be mybitcoin esque sites that handle payments for people so that you can get instant clearing and not have to worry about securing a wallet file and such. Those companies won't cheat for fear of losing all of their connections and reputation.

Being able to use the chain directly is really nice though and the whole point is not to need large trusted parties, I need to think some more about these issues.
3851  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Bitcoin press hits, notable sources on: June 23, 2011, 09:50:28 AM
I'm sure merchants are lining up to support bitcoins with this kind of publicity.

  You do not get it man. There is no such thing as bad publicity. Bitcoin is a singularity which is growing exponentially for some time now and is going to keep growing like that until it stops. All these mainstream publications are doing is pouring gasoline on fire trying to extinguish it.

  Lots of smart people will see through bullshit and hear about bitcoin for the first time. They will adopt it. Idiots will have a chance to get some bitcoins later when one BTC worth 10k$.

 The only thing these hit pieces will ensure is that bitcoin worth 100$ or more by the end of the summer.


+1

The press is getting addicted to the bitcoin drama, there's no turning back. The story has it all: money, drugs, technology, hackers, politicians. It keeps getting better and better.

Needs some sex. I give it 4 days.
3852  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Pay miners to rewrite block(s)? on: June 23, 2011, 09:07:47 AM


Problem... make a new transaction after paying somebody... That has a fee higher fee.  Means that double spends are easy.

Keep in mind that this is only feasible for large amounts and that it gets more expensive the more confirms you want to wait before double spending.

If this became common we would know how much miners require to go back a certain number of blocks and wait until it would be more than the whole amount of the tx to deliver goods.

But this does make one doubt the oft-repeated statement that a retailer does not need to wait for confirmations when selling goods of small value. I could buy a cup of coffee and broadcast a new version of the transaction into the network offering half of the price as tx fee. If 10% of miners are maximising transaction fees then there's a 10% chance I get a 50% discount on my coffee. If everyone does this the retailer sees a 10% loss. Suddenly makes Mastercard and VISA look good.

As far as confirmed transactions are concerned, one can easily calculate for a miner with a give percentage of total network hash power that coldly maximises profit, how large the tx fee would have to be to attempt to overturn something X blocks back in the chain (assuming that none of the other miners are bribeable and he needs to do it alone). The figures look good for solo mining, but for pooled mining and especially 0% fee pooled mining, the situation quickly changes since the pool owner (who will make the decision) will keep all of the bribe if he attempts the heist and is successful, but keep 0% (or a very small %) of the coinbase reward if he chooses to keep to the straight and narrow.

Once miners know that other miners may be corruptible the figures change dramatically and a vicious cycle may be born. Also, a large bribe on large tx is not necessarily required, many small bribes on many small txs can add up to the same effect. Sad All in all, I'm a little worried. Please tell me why this won't happen.


Even if this was implemented I wouldn't hassle people at my shop to wait around for small value tx to confirm. People just don't steal very often when they looked you in the eyes. How many people walk out on restaurant bills? So few that everyone gets served all they want and pays afterwards.

For bigger, but not huge, stuff maybe you wait 1 confirm. Paying the network to go back even one block is going to cost a lot more than a tv. For selling cars and larger, you know how you are dealing with anyway.

For goods bought online it doesn't matter at all, they won't ship for 100 confirms anyway.
3853  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is There A Good Reason To Still Be Calling BTC Money/Currency? on: June 23, 2011, 08:01:37 AM
Lets call them kittens, everyone loves kittens and kittens will never be illegal.
3854  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Potential proof that Mt. Gox still has all our bitcoins. on: June 23, 2011, 07:20:39 AM
But maybe it just means that MtGox IS the hacker!

Can we have a few (dozen) threads about that now?
3855  Other / Off-topic / Re: How secure is Ubuntu login password protection? on: June 22, 2011, 07:16:58 PM
I had a feeling it wasn't that secure, but it almost seems pointless (er, I guess I couldn't have gotten into someones computer).

Thanks all.
3856  Economy / Economics / Re: What is holding you from investing tons of money in this? on: June 22, 2011, 09:54:28 AM
What is your main reason you do not invest in BTC with huge amounts of money?

Other than BTC(as well as all related exchanges and accounts) not being insured, backed(neither by an economy nor central bank or any other instance whatsoever) or regulated by anything and thus being worth as much as a seashell, it's a perfectly fine system!

By the way, that's "price is capable of going to 0.01 within minutes", thanks to literally no real depth or liquidity existing in the market, not days.

We've just done that exercise, it's no longer a thought experiment.

How this has not shown people what's what is truly, truly amazing.

If you think the value was .01 the other day then it's up over 100000% in a few days. 
3857  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Bitcoin press hits, notable sources on: June 22, 2011, 09:49:34 AM
Bleh, looks like a bad piece to me.

Maybe I just can't spot a bad bitcoin article anymore because I've read so many crappy opinion pieces that anything remotely resembling journalistic research appears amazing by comparison, even if their timeline is screwed up and they have the common problem of being unable to explain bitcoin.

Lol, true. I never really expected good explanations in 'real' press, now my bar is "was not malicious, just wrong". This one still makes it sound like a coin was actually worth .01 for a while and maybe still is. It should have been mentioned (even stressed) that someone was selling coins they couldn't keep for themselves. There was never a point where someone preferred a penny to a bitcoin. The 'value' was never .01 despite what some compromised site claimed.
3858  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bitoption.org -- ESCROWED LIVE Bitcoin Options Trading on: June 22, 2011, 09:38:51 AM
Yes, my issue is fixed. I managed to break something by leaving bids out past expiry.
3859  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hur hur hur... Hope none of you used Dropbox to store your wallet! on: June 22, 2011, 09:34:38 AM
Spider Oak seems good to me. They say it's all encrypted on your side, but I encrypted myself anyway.
3860  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Bitcoin press hits, notable sources on: June 22, 2011, 09:12:20 AM
Bitcoin 'will recover' from crash - BBC News -includes a statement from Gavin.

Wow. Although there are some annoying things in that article, it's really nice to see a news article on the crash that actually interviews someone relevant.

It's sometimes amazing when you get that flash of memory of back when news outlets used to impartially report details and quote other people's opinions rather than just wing it with the author's interpretation presented as fact.

Bleh, looks like a bad piece to me.
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