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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What do you think of the TradeHill referral program?
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on: June 20, 2011, 02:47:43 PM
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And if I was going to trade there I would refer myself instead of giving some spammer free money.
So setting up a second account, ref'ed by the first and collecting referral fees? I guess such a construction should be easily detectable + a bannable offence... I would advise against such stuff, as you risk your BTC/money to be frozen any time. You kidding me? Why would you leave money with someone you thought would do that? Do you think he'll steal my money if my wife refers me? Getting 100 people to spam the forums is retarded. I don't know how anyone thinks spewing pollution makes for a good image.
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Bitcoin / Press / Re: Bitcoin press hits, notable sources
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on: June 19, 2011, 08:43:20 PM
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I like FOFOA too. I also get that borrower/spenders like easy money. But they'd probably like to pay with farts too. All that matters is what productive people will accept. They've been accepting a pretty crappy version of money, maybe they'll wise up, I don't know.
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Economy / Economics / Re: Marginal value of a bitcoin
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on: June 19, 2011, 10:23:02 AM
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The responses make me think I'm not clear.
I value my coins more than market value. That is not disputed.
But having one more or one less coin is pretty much the same as having 18 dollars more or fewer. If having one more coin was worth $50 to me then I would buy a coin. If another coin after that was still worth more than the market price I would buy another. Eventually I would have few enough dollars that they were quite precious to me and I wouldn't give any more up for another coin. This is where I always sit.
I completely understand about risk and subjective value that all factors in to how much I want an extra coin. I think Bitcoin is the greatest thing since food, but I won't pay $18 for another one so I can't say that my marginal coin is worth $100.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Wallet Backup 101 - A Guide by The Bitcoin Sun
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on: June 19, 2011, 09:37:41 AM
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alex, bitcoin makes a new empty wallet if there is not a wallet.dat in exactly the right place.
Double spending is not possible. The network knows how many coins are associated with each address. What you have in a wallet is a set of keys that can be used to move coins from those addresses. If you load the same wallet on two computers (this is not recommended) they both have access to the coins, but only the first spend will work. A restored backup might think it has access to coins that it doesn't in some circumstances, but it never actually will.
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Economy / Economics / Marginal value of a bitcoin
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on: June 19, 2011, 09:30:11 AM
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What would one more bitcoin be worth to you?
I'm interested to know if anyone thinks their marginal coin is worth far more or less than market rates. If an extra coin is worth less than market rate to you, why aren't you selling some? If a coin is worth more to you than market rate, why aren't you buying? Do we really all value an extra coin in the same narrow range?
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin dreams and nightmares
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on: June 19, 2011, 09:23:27 AM
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I had a dream the other night that i was running a kind of bank service (think savings, bonds, loans, the works) for bitcoin, but some fat little man made a clone of my service and could some how afford to give better interest rates than me even though i was barely covering my operation costs. So i tried adding more services and more features but every time he would roll out the same thing or better hours before i did and i just couldn't keep up.
Thing is, I have dreams like this when ever i think to hard about a potential business venture, and there is always a fat little man stealing my thunder. I don't know who this fat little man is, but i hope he chokes.
I dunno why, I'm cracking up.
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Economy / Economics / Re: Will bitcoin malware cause the price to crash?
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on: June 19, 2011, 05:05:20 AM
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malware will make the price RISE, because the hackers will try to buy out all the BTCs for easy transfer to his own wallet.
Hackers are going to steal coins and then buy more coins? How does buying more make the coins he stole easier to transfer?
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ideas for the Perfect Bitcoin Exchange
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on: June 19, 2011, 01:30:23 AM
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Make it possible to only put BUY/SELL orders that are 2% higher or lower than the last 24 hours average price.
If the "price" of a free market is wrong, it will correct itself quite easily (for example if it should be 21$ instead of 20$, and the last 24 hours average price is 20$, then you can put orders of up to 20.4$, once those sell, the average will shift up to 20.4$, slowly allowing for higher bids, for example if everyone puts 20.4 then in 12 hours you should have an average of 20.2, thus be able to put a 20.6 bid). You will offer greater stability and trust to your customers. You will also lag behind other markets, and have people oscillate between yours and other markets due to arbitrage possibilities.
This would be awful. If there is even one unrestricted market and the price moves down by 10% then your site will have 0 buyers, they will all be buying at a 10% discount elsewhere. Likewise on moves up. Are you sure about that? Did you consider both parts of a market, eg. the sellers and the buyers? Yes. If the real price on Tuesday is $20 and you and mtgox reflect that and there is a drop in demand and the price is $16 you will still have a minimum listing price of $19.60. There will be only sellers and no buyers at your market. All buyers will go to mtgox where prices reflect current reality and trades can happen.
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Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitoption Status Thread
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on: June 18, 2011, 08:56:18 PM
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Update: there's a DDOS attack against our provider and node. Could be due to us, could be something else. More as I get it.
Aww, that sucks. I bet you're the target, I hope it gets solved easily.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ideas for the Perfect Bitcoin Exchange
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on: June 18, 2011, 08:50:45 PM
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Make it possible to only put BUY/SELL orders that are 2% higher or lower than the last 24 hours average price.
If the "price" of a free market is wrong, it will correct itself quite easily (for example if it should be 21$ instead of 20$, and the last 24 hours average price is 20$, then you can put orders of up to 20.4$, once those sell, the average will shift up to 20.4$, slowly allowing for higher bids, for example if everyone puts 20.4 then in 12 hours you should have an average of 20.2, thus be able to put a 20.6 bid). You will offer greater stability and trust to your customers. You will also lag behind other markets, and have people oscillate between yours and other markets due to arbitrage possibilities.
This would be awful. If there is even one unrestricted market and the price moves down by 10% then your site will have 0 buyers, they will all be buying at a 10% discount elsewhere. Likewise on moves up.
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Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ideas for the Perfect Bitcoin Exchange
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on: June 18, 2011, 08:30:48 PM
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We want it to be as legal and upfront and trustworthy as possible.
Can people post suggestions of what makes the perfect (realistic) exchange?
I think those are contradictory goals. I'm tired of companies telling me they'll keep my data private and then complying with the demands of strangers (strangers to me at least) at the drop of a hat. Or imposing their interpretation of some else's rules on me. I think an exchange that lets people make offers that are available to everyone on their trust list and acts as a record keeper (maybe bitcoin escrow too) but has people settle dollars on their own would be good. I imagine you could make dollar debts transfer able with consent by all three parties so that they could net out and reduce the 'outside' transfers required. Build in all the PGP stuff and use the data from OTC to bootstrap.
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