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All of the fallacies aside, locals who join the enemy forces will be killed just like the enemy. Attempts to twist this into some unfair hostility should be addressed to Putin - he started the invasion and all of this mess. If he is guilty, he should be punished, better in Ukraine. There are hundreds of reports on the network about the atrocities of Russian soldiers. How many criminal cases have been opened and criminals named so far? None of the normal person will protect them. Ukrainian law enforcement agencies are required to publish complete information so that the thieves and rapists become known in Russia.
And they do that. But Russia isn't doing shit about it, and most likely Ukrainian law enforcement is not going to be able to arrest them. So what exactly is your problem here? You often quote American and English magazines, apparently considering them indisputable authoritative sources, to accuse Russia. Even the most famous newspaper is not a judicial department to accuse anyone, because there is such a thing as "presumption of innocence". Remember this definition? The United States is the main sponsor of Ukraine's military operations and is the most active on its side, and it is unlikely that there are large independent magazines anywhere in the world that are completely outside the control of governments. For prosecution, an international independent investigation must first be carried out. I and any adequate person will not defend criminals, no matter what country they belong to, if their guilt is proven in an independent court. Articles in an American, English, German and any other newspaper can serve as an additional source of information, but in no way can be evidence of a serious crime, especially now, during the open information war between the countries of the West and Russia.
This is not a court of law. We share information from various sources and I put a lot of effort into reading Russian language sources so your allegation about "American and English" is ludicrously off base. I post links to English versions whenever possible because this is an English board, but most of the information originates in Russian. I try to add warnings if I post e.g. rumors from telegram, otherwise if it's a reputable source then it's up to the reader to decide what to make of it. Again, I don't understand what your problem is here. If Russian military isn't looking its best in these news reports, it's most likely because it's a looting gang of criminals and not because the reports are wrong. It would be quite absurd to use heavily-censored and mostly Kremlin-controlled media in Russia as sources for anything other than a laugh. Totally not a fascist regime at all.But you just said you would kill Ukrainians doing the same |
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Bandera is a Ukrainian national hero who fought for Ukrainian independence. He was against the Soviet invasion of Ukraine, a staunch anti-
communist, nationalist but not a Nazi. He collaborated with the Germans, but later was arrested by them and imprisoned in the concentration
camp.
He was assassinated by the Russians.
You support Russians who committed and are committing genocides and war crimes. Who executed people in Katyn?
Santa Claus? Who killed innocent people across Europe during Soviet times?
Russians did. So shut the fuck up about your support for these animals.
I personally think Russians are most restrained people on earth...if Germans killed 25 million Americans, there would be no Germans today, except maybe few kept in ZOO. |
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... Source?
The original source was Alexander Khodakovsky, commander of the Vostok battalion of the People's Militia of the DPR. The information seems to be confirmed, although not in full in terms of numbers. Ahhhh... "that type of source". , in more detail, footage of the surrender of the militants of the Azov nationalist unit and Ukrainian servicemen blocked at the Azovstal plant in Mariupol. Congrats. You've finally scored a point. You've got negative 13 points now. The numbers though... I have read 51 wounded, 256 total, from the MoD Russia. So, four soldiers carrying one wounded, totals 255. Seems they just kept... uhm saved... the carrying azov soldiers. Russia has a very negative trust rating, judged by the "say/do" balances of the past. I would not rely on their announcement to swap PoW at some "later" point. Maybe they want to first settle "shoot knee, stick knife through eye" score? |
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So, once Putin dies or get overthrown, and some hardliner replaces him,
what will happen next? Would it be good if Chechens get their republic
and 30-40 nukes?
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LoL
Nice try, troll. I'm too valuable on another kind of front. Better keep doing what i ecxel at, unlinke drunk RA mobilized civilians of the "eastern front".
I quoted and highlighted this, because with that wording you are admitting, once again, that the "special military operation" is in fact war.
While Putin wanted to fight, UA has to fight. He wants to fight so much, that he's coordinating bataillions himself with his failing general of choice (what was his name already?). He should let the army professionals do their job, but no... This reveals overburdening. Putin is losing not only his mind, but also (t)his war. He should fight on the "political front" to not get Russia completely isolated. Instead he shows his emperor-complex. He went insane. Do you think two years of fear-of-covid self-isolation contributed to his sanity? If so, you're delusional.
EDIT: Just look at him. He's almost finished. Just wait for it.
I think big part of this war IS to actually isolate Russia from West...they were not wise enough, or had enough manpower to do what China did with Great Firewall of China, and now doing it this, much more primitive way, and using war as excuse, among other things |
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Russia will be forced to take retaliatory steps, both of a military-technical and other nature, in order to stop threats to its national security arising. So now even if Russia is doing steps to protect its national security, you consider it threat? LOL |
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Edited to update: Seems like UKR is obtaining some territorial gains in the northeast near Kharkiv. Not an strategic advance to see, but it shows that Putin's army cannot really hold all the occupied territory without unacceptable loses. Belgorod is now within artillery range. Your source. Russia was our friend and ally in the procurement of weapons in the early 1990s. The Russians supplied us with weapons at the request of France. I am a witness to that - says Marin Tomulić in the conversation we had on Wednesday in Paris. - Now it is considered that the Russians were and remain allies of the Serbs. But during the Homeland War, they armed us, not the Serbs - he adds.
Your source states that Russia sent or sold weapons at the request of France - let's say that is accepted. But, you are ignoring the direct intervention of USA in the conflict in 1999. It was not until this intervention ramped up that the war had a end in sight. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars#TimelineI can see you are looking at only the half of the story - the one that reinforces your views. I'm Croat...NATO intervention from 1999 has nothing to do with our war, which ended in 1995 |
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Us in Croatia have similar problem, WW2 quislings are in power and try to
undermine any traces of antifascism left...we're ashamed of Marshal Tito
been a Croat, imagine that
What kind of nonsense are you talking about, aren't the children of the worst communists in power since the existence of independent Croatia? See who was the fathers of the current prime minister and this communist fool of the president who shames the state with every statement he makes. Tito is one of the greatest criminals in history and anyone who still considers him a positivist should be ashamed. 400 000 Croats killed after WW2 are no myth, but you obviously studied history in some other schools. I am ashamed that people like you declare themselves Croats, and we know very well who you really are... @Paxmao See? Do you need more proof? Same going on in Ukraine people like Lucius hate Russia because it sold us weapons so we could kick Milosevic ass |
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No, I meant the one in Kyiv. The one that would be naive and foolish to think wouldn't happen. Why didn't they have one there?
Ukraine probably consider them losing side in WW2, so thats probably reason. Us in Croatia have similar problem, WW2 quislings are in power and try to undermine any traces of antifascism left...we're ashamed of Marshal Tito been a Croat, imagine that |
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I didn't follow closely, who kept Snake Island before special operation started, and who is
keeping it now?
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Eating military rations and drinking vodka for a month can burn a hole in your stomach.
Nah, many of us did it for 4 years and we're still fine |
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People will forgive, it is in their nature, provided the right conditions exist, and that is that those who are responsible bear the consequences for their crime. It is not going to be easy. But it will happen.
But people should never forget what happened and the suffering this war brought on them. How can we as a society ever move on and improve if we allow the past to become a taboo?
Allegiances change fast, Germany was American best friend pretty soon after firebombing their cities that killed much more civilians than current Russia invasion killed in Ukraine. Japan went through even worse bombing, yet they're American favorite pet now, and forgave everything |
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Too bad there's no bump button on this one
Time flies
Any oldtimers here?
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I'm afraid real tests for dedication to NATO are yet to come
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How many wars did NATO start already?
Ask Pope, he probably knows better than both of us  |
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So this was back on December 1, 2021 and we all know how that turned out, US pretty much said that Russia is not allowed to have national security interests in any country and NATO will expand anywhere it wishes. Because freedoms and such (except where it's not convenient for US like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Myanmar, Turkey etc...) \
Actually what US said was "No, we will not tell another country that they can never ever join our alliance no matter what." Except that is the same thing said politely, while behind the scene bribing Zelensky to insist on joining, despite knowing that means war |
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