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1401  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Bitcoin je prevara utemeljena na manipulaciji jezikom on: April 05, 2019, 08:19:55 PM
Svaki financijski instrument ima svoj rizik jer nositelji obveza po njemu mogu propasti, postati insolventni ili bankrotirati. To važi kako za dionice i obveznice tako i za fiat novac. No Bitcoin nema veze s tim. On nije financijski instrument jer nema nositelja obveza. On je broj u tablici. Njegova vrijednost ne može rasti jer je on matematička apstrakcija koja ipso facto nema vrijednost. Ono što je pandan rasta vrijednosti, preciznije tržišne cijene, je natjecanje tko će pokloniti više dolara, eura ili kuna za upis broja u blockchain tablicu.


Točno, i meni je draži rizik bitcoina nego rizik fiata, tebi nije i ne vidim čemu potreba za dokazivanjem nečega
kad je i jedno i drugo ljudska apstrakcija poput recimo religije.
1402  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Bitcoin je prevara utemeljena na manipulaciji jezikom on: April 05, 2019, 06:26:57 PM

Premisa 1: Novac je ili roba ili pravni instrument u kojem subjekt - nositelj obveza ima dužnost ispuniti konkretnu činidbu prema imatelju tog instrumenta.(npr. fiat novac, certifikat o zlatu, žetoni u kasinima)
Premisa 2: Bitcoin nije roba i nema nositelja obveza koji je dužan ispuniti činidbu prema imatelju Bitcoina.
Zaključak: Bitcoin nije novac.



Ko je subjekt - nositelj obveza i koju činidbu ima prema imatelju tog instrumenta?
Objašnjeno je u članku. Ako govorimo o fiat novcu subjekt je zajmoprimac ili banka. Oni su pustili novac u opticaj i moraju taj novac povući iz opticaja, što se ostvaruje plaćanjem rata kredita. Ako zajmoprimac ne plaća svoje rate kredita novac je iz opticaja dužna povući banka što se radi pljenidbom imovine zajmoprimca i zamjenom te imovine za izdani novac, kojeg njegovi imatelji drže u obliku depozita i novčanica. Činidba je dakle povlaćenje novca iz opticaja zamjenom za robe ili usluge što se najčešće ostvaruje financiranjem plaća zajmoprimca od strane vlasnika novčanica ili depozita  - koje se onda nose u banku za zatvaranje kredita i tako povlaće novac iz opticaja, ili je činidba zamjena novca za ovršenu imovinu zajmoprimca - to je bančina obveza jer banka mora zatvoriti bilančne pozicije nastale izdavanjem kredita.


Ajmo to malo pojednostaviti...ja imam 1000kn u džepu, koja obveza OTP banke iz toga proizlazi prema meni?
Tvoje kune su proizašle iz nečijeg kredita i vode se na strani pasive banke kao obveza prema tebi i na strani aktive kao potraživanje od onog koji je dobio kredit. Obveza banke je povući tvoje kune iz opticaja zamjenom za ovršene pokretnine i nekretnine zajmoprimaca ili naplatom kredita - prilikom čega ti dolaziš do roba i usluga zajmoprimaca. Ti možeš svojih 1000 kuna zamijeniti nekome drugome na tržištu tj. nekome tko nije zajmoprimac, pa će taj ili netko drugi u konačnici doći do roba i usluga zajmoprimaca. Uglavnom fiat novac nije instrument na ime, nego na donositelja pa se ne zna tko je, a tko nije zajmoprimac pri razmjeni. Također, on je instrument koji ima ročnost, pa ne mogu svi u istom trenutku ostvariti svoja prava iz njega. Neki krediti imaju ročnost i 30 godina, pa bi u scenariju da kreditni tj. fiat novac prestane postojati, neki imatelji kuna čekali 30 godina da dođu do roba i usluga zajmoprimaca ili njihovih ovršenih nekretnina. Uglavnom, ulaganje u kune je ulaganje u dužnički instrument koji ima svoju ročnost.

I naravno, tijekom te ročnosti moguće je da bankari 5 puta potroše moj novac i na kraju mi daju 20% onoga što sam ja dao njima, ili kao u slučaju Glumina banke, 0%

Za razliku od bitcoina koje dugoročno vrijednost stalno raste
1403  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Bitcoin je prevara utemeljena na manipulaciji jezikom on: April 05, 2019, 10:07:58 AM

Premisa 1: Novac je ili roba ili pravni instrument u kojem subjekt - nositelj obveza ima dužnost ispuniti konkretnu činidbu prema imatelju tog instrumenta.(npr. fiat novac, certifikat o zlatu, žetoni u kasinima)
Premisa 2: Bitcoin nije roba i nema nositelja obveza koji je dužan ispuniti činidbu prema imatelju Bitcoina.
Zaključak: Bitcoin nije novac.



Ko je subjekt - nositelj obveza i koju činidbu ima prema imatelju tog instrumenta?
Objašnjeno je u članku. Ako govorimo o fiat novcu subjekt je zajmoprimac ili banka. Oni su pustili novac u opticaj i moraju taj novac povući iz opticaja, što se ostvaruje plaćanjem rata kredita. Ako zajmoprimac ne plaća svoje rate kredita novac je iz opticaja dužna povući banka što se radi pljenidbom imovine zajmoprimca i zamjenom te imovine za izdani novac, kojeg njegovi imatelji drže u obliku depozita i novčanica. Činidba je dakle povlaćenje novca iz opticaja zamjenom za robe ili usluge što se najčešće ostvaruje financiranjem plaća zajmoprimca od strane vlasnika novčanica ili depozita  - koje se onda nose u banku za zatvaranje kredita i tako povlaće novac iz opticaja, ili je činidba zamjena novca za ovršenu imovinu zajmoprimca - to je bančina obveza jer banka mora zatvoriti bilančne pozicije nastale izdavanjem kredita.


Ajmo to malo pojednostaviti...ja imam 1000kn u džepu, koja obveza OTP banke iz toga proizlazi prema meni?
1404  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Bitcoin je prevara utemeljena na manipulaciji jezikom on: April 05, 2019, 07:35:19 AM

Premisa 1: Novac je ili roba ili pravni instrument u kojem subjekt - nositelj obveza ima dužnost ispuniti konkretnu činidbu prema imatelju tog instrumenta.(npr. fiat novac, certifikat o zlatu, žetoni u kasinima)
Premisa 2: Bitcoin nije roba i nema nositelja obveza koji je dužan ispuniti činidbu prema imatelju Bitcoina.
Zaključak: Bitcoin nije novac.



Ko je subjekt - nositelj obveza i koju činidbu ima prema imatelju tog instrumenta?
1405  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: 3000X gem on: April 05, 2019, 07:20:21 AM
week 42, nice volatility, good trades, over 7% gain, and we broke $3 price

https://www.countinghousefund.com/single-post/2019/04/05/Weekly-Update-Report-42
1406  Local / Altcoins (Hrvatski) / Re: [DUAL RUDARENJE] ZIL + BILO ŠTA ---- ECO FRIENDLY DUAL on: April 04, 2019, 11:33:03 AM
Ide razvoj u dobrom smjeru Smiley
Jos malo do isplate hehe

Code:
Zilliqa is scheduled to end its bootstrap phase in the coming week, after which processing of transactions will be enabled. Thanks to all the support we’ve received from the mining community during this time! For further details, you can check https://forum.zilliqa.com/t/end-of-bootstrap-phase/553


Koliko si na kraju tokena dobio, ja u prosjeku 7 po accepted share iako je bilo obećano 13 čini mi se.

I da li ti mining i dalje radi normalno, ja nakon što je bootstrap prošao nemam još nijedan ni accepted ni rejected share

kratko sam bio na rudnik hopto, tamo sam skupio 4,86 ZILa po share-u (toliko mi ispadne kada podijelim ZIL koji sam dobio na wallet sa accepted shares), dakle, čista zguba  Smiley
ovo što uzimam na svom nodeu je oko 30/40 po share-u u zadnje vrijeme, prije je bilo puno više, ali je i diff u nebesima - tu varijablu treba uzeti u obzir

prije 4 dana ti je izašao novi ZIL miner https://github.com/DurianStallSingapore/ZILMiner/releases/ možda ti je do toga

U svakom slučaju, vlastiti node je ekstra isplativa investicija

Nije do minera, pratim taj github i uvijek imam zadnji. Ti si znači još lošije od mene prošao, iz onoga "rudnik" pretpostavljam da se radi o našem čovjeku,
a mi valjda ne možemo, a da ne ukrademo Smiley

Na drugom poolu je lik obećao na početku 4 pa mi je na kraju za jedan jedini share ipak poslao čak 16 ZIL, možda se vratim tamo.

Digao bi ja svoj node, ali da li se isplati sa samo 130-140MH/s zezati s tim?
1407  Local / Altcoins (Hrvatski) / Re: [DUAL RUDARENJE] ZIL + BILO ŠTA ---- ECO FRIENDLY DUAL on: April 04, 2019, 09:04:57 AM
Ide razvoj u dobrom smjeru Smiley
Jos malo do isplate hehe

Code:
Zilliqa is scheduled to end its bootstrap phase in the coming week, after which processing of transactions will be enabled. Thanks to all the support we’ve received from the mining community during this time! For further details, you can check https://forum.zilliqa.com/t/end-of-bootstrap-phase/553


Koliko si na kraju tokena dobio, ja u prosjeku 7 po accepted share iako je bilo obećano 13 čini mi se.

I da li ti mining i dalje radi normalno, ja nakon što je bootstrap prošao nemam još nijedan ni accepted ni rejected share
1408  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Zilminer - mine POW coin in dual mine mode with almost no power use!!!!! on: April 03, 2019, 07:51:33 PM
Then your luck is gr8 atm


I don't understand logic behind "ZIL per accepted share", though
I'm following so many projects and don't have time to dig too deep into each one,
and this obviously requires lots of reading about inner system working
1409  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Zilminer - mine POW coin in dual mine mode with almost no power use!!!!! on: April 03, 2019, 07:28:36 PM
Its not complicated I told you, difficuly shard / 60 = hash you need so , can`t be more easy to see as we have 10 POW per day atm

so if you have 1.6Ghs total you can expect 10 accepted shares per day, and if you have 1 or 100 rejects that mean nothing at all

also miner is not gr8 but works as it should, mine own rigs and dozen ppl i know with NV all have 85-100% luck atm with A shares per they hashrate, AMD miners have issue but they have zil switcher

also none calculator can know the state of 1000 nodes and network and shards so he can see network issue which we have each few days

in past 2 months I spent 10 days online just waiting for updates as they are critical and not published at said time and need to be applied at once


I got about 2.8 per day with 130MH/s so I guess thats even better than expected Smiley
1410  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Zilminer - mine POW coin in dual mine mode with almost no power use!!!!! on: April 03, 2019, 07:15:34 PM
@Branko

also you see you pc worker have ok stat but your other two rigs are submiting lots of fake work which does not degrade your performance just you stats look bad with R/A rate

You are prolly using old miner that is making fake DAG with rejecting fake work, use the miner that is uploaded at the pool

also I said xxx times what is counted on zil is A share per hasrate you have if we don`t have main network issue or constant shard dropout

its clear from you hashrate that 251 submited are not even possible with 3x more luck

I said many times divide shard difficulty with 60sec and you will get what hashrate you need to make 1 A per POW so atm:

91600 / 60sec = 1526Mh is needed to make 1 share per POW so 10 shares per day! if luck is 100%

all is all goes well if we lose shard then expect 60% rejects at that POW, and so on, for more read white paper as zilliqa is unique and you can compare it with the other POW coins as most try to do

No, always used last miner...version 2.20 for the most of time, and now 4.01

Thats why I said we need good calculator, as its pretty complicated to estimate rewards compared to most other coins
1411  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Zilminer - mine POW coin in dual mine mode with almost no power use!!!!! on: April 03, 2019, 07:04:31 PM
Why has that "other pool" switched to ~31zil reward per accepted share more than a day ago and yours not yet?

transaction started pool rise the reward, then they closed transactions again, I updated payout only after they resumed as node get more reward from them

also its not all about pay per zil, as you see here
http://pool.zil.farm/miner/0x33429fc6854414e342e74d60bfe1a04939cd960c

most/almost all shares there are rejected don`t ask me why, I offer support only for my pool and his rigs works fine on @mine

everyone can set reward to as he like and reject even valid share as any pool can cheat/or be broken on hashrate or with dozen of ways you can never see. only validation is what you get at end and not some stats they writte

Frankly, looking at stats only, I have no idea what to think about stats, your pool gives me some strange stats too:



Funny thing is that rig with 90MH/s gives 38/62, while sole RX380 with 21MH/s gives 9/180...how it gets so much more rejected shares?
1412  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Zilminer - mine POW coin in dual mine mode with almost no power use!!!!! on: April 03, 2019, 05:12:26 PM
seems low.i got 6400 for 850 accepted shares?

i guess it depends at what stage of rewards you got your shares?

Its confusing, I got 16 for single share on another pool, but didn't stay there because they're in USA and I'm EU, so my
percentage of accepted shares was low (1 our of 15), thats why I switched to this one

See here
http://pool.zil.farm/miner/0x33429fc6854414e342e74d60bfe1a04939cd960c


Even more confusing because back then they said I'll get only 4 per accepted share


I really think someone with knowledge about ZIL should make good calculator
1413  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Zilminer - mine POW coin in dual mine mode with almost no power use!!!!! on: April 03, 2019, 05:05:17 PM
i got a good sized payment in my wallet, but i dont see my balance going up on the pool, how are future payouts working, and will we be able to see what we are earning and what we are getting payed out?

thank you

yes

but priority atm is payout and stability of nodes and with the issue they have nodes are taking all mine time atm as I need to optimize and make stable 100 nodes with backups and keep track and update them


I got 310 ZIL for 113 acceptes shares, is that OK?
1414  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: What are you buying now? on: April 03, 2019, 05:03:56 PM
Bought XBASE for $85, its worth $4500 now, soon $45000 as we approach exchange launch
1415  Local / Altcoins (Hrvatski) / Re: Najbolji način majnanja (farmanja) coina on: April 03, 2019, 10:54:23 AM
Imate li kakvih novih coina na vidiku preko etherdelte? Primjetio sam da se "shitcoini" koje držim u erc20 walletu, nisu previše pomaknuli s obzirom na skok BTC-a koji je ipak značajan za cijelo tržište, pa bi moglo biti dobrih prilika.


Bilo je nekih divljanja prije nekoliko sati oko CLEAR tokena

https://forkdelta.app/#!/trade/0x410af23334e26aa13c1f3e630bae006bdd313264-ETH

ali nemam pojma što misliti o tome, još uvijek su tajanstveni oko čitavog projekta


eterbase (XBASE) će definitivno ići gore bar 10X ako ne ispadne scam (a ako ispadne, svaka im čast jer su se zbilja potrudili  Grin )
1416  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Zbirni topic za davanje merita za kvalitetne postove on: April 03, 2019, 09:49:16 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5027943.msg50306651#msg50306651

Nije baš preveliku diskusiju izazvalo, al eto potrudio se skupiti info na jedno mjesto, a i da ne propadne sourceru merit
1417  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XRP] Ripple Speculation on: April 03, 2019, 06:39:34 AM

Already won? LOL. They're starting to lose - it was easier to tamper bitcoin blockchain in 2009-2016 than right now, so they're surely losing, but slowly!

Make no mistake, if crypto takes over fiat any time soon, you can bet crypto will be
dispersed among people the same way fiat is...1% will own majority

Exactly. And that is how it's supposed to be in a free society. You can't distribute the wealth of the world equally without violence, and even if you could, you can't save everyone from making bad decisions and becoming poor again. The same way you can't avoid people to be successful and becoming filthy rich again.

It's obvious than a educated 70y man who earned $200k/y during most of his life will be far richer than an uneducated 20y guy. That's inequality? Yes. But it's also right and fair. So, a part of the inequality can be explained simply by the difference of age.


But bitcoin maximalists often tell us how BTC is supposed to do just that, redistribute wealth and get rid of evil banksters...to give power to Roger Ver and Craig Wright?  Grin
(guess them 2 are much nicer people than Brad Garlinghouse)

Obviously those people got Bitcoin wrong. They're leftists with good intentions but with a poor understanding of how economics work. The simple idea of equality by redistributing wealth is laughable.


Everyone can go out and buy 50 ASICs, mine BTC and become wealthy, right?  Grin
1418  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: The next 100x-1000x coin? on: April 02, 2019, 12:17:30 PM
of course kin.
it has really big potential. it is only 0.00000050 dollar now. buy 1M kin now
if it will become 1 dollar. you will be a millionare

1$? With 10 trillion supply? I dont think so, be happy if it hits 0.1 cent anytime soon
1419  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Sia - Decentralized Storage on: April 02, 2019, 11:46:14 AM
Sia is an old coin lot of new coins coming up in cold storage space sia should speed up their development to current day requirements
Really little development from the team. Today, you need to quickly develop. A lot of other projects may come to the market this year.

TBH, although it may seem slow, its not that other projects in same space
developed faster, at least I didn't notice any production ready yet
1420  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Zilminer - mine POW coin in dual mine mode with almost no power use!!!!! on: April 02, 2019, 11:44:40 AM
Anyone got his ZIL yet?
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