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601  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are You Tax Efficient With Your Gambling Habbits? on: November 22, 2023, 01:54:04 PM
We pay extra tax on everything we use but paying tax on gambling seems a little surprising to me. I'm already tired of paying extra tax on everything and then again if we have to pay tax on such a risky site like gambling it will be a very bad thing for us. Gambling is already very risky, money can be lost when gambling. Paying taxes from a platform where there is no guarantee of money is really ridiculous. Even if I pay taxes for everything else, at least I'll never pay for gambling. I will turn off gambling if necessary but I am not willing to pay taxes for gambling. Every gambler, not just me, will say that and they certainly don't pay the government taxes for their gambling.
As far as I know, Once you win in any gambling, you won't get the whole value prize because there's a limit amount that is subject to tax. so better to Make sure you keep good records of your gambling activities; losses as well as gains. I as well doesn't want to pay taxes for my gambling activities but it is stated in the law.

I understand that there are European countries like Spain that have to establish or declare almost everything, the thing is that they do not charge the fee for the air that is breathed because it is closed or they have found a way, however Spain is a country that can evade taxes if you go to another country and play, for example a neighboring country, like Portugal, if you are going to play in Portugal the policies are different, they should not charge you tax, because you are outside of Spain, it is an option, now If the person is told that they have to pay taxes because they play in a crypto casino, I think it is not appropriate, because if we assume that crypto is for us to establish an agrable time to have fun, why should we pay taxes to a government? I don't know, sometimes the laws are a little strange, because if I want to play from outside Spain I don't have to pay, the regulations in the countries are very different, they can change from one moment to the next and they can make a difference if you take into consideration the sperosnas decision, what happens if they don't pay?

If I register from Spain under a pseudonymous coaulquer, but they deposit the money into my bank from another country, how will the country realize that I am person X? If I can say that someone entered my account with my internet and played, then how can they determine what they should pay? Those are the things that I don't understand sometimes, because every user in their country has a way of evading taxes, and I say evade because I am a supporter that when you use crypto and in a casino you should not pay anything to any government, let alone pro sar crypto or bitoin, because they do not give any type of benefit and that is what we can exercise when we are in a country like this, for those reasons it is that we must be very emphatic with the rights, we cannot allow ourselves to be trampled on or pay for a government that imposes only its rules where it uses and takes away, but that is my personal opinion.


if you take into account only the laws of a country and not morals, ethics and other ideas than crypto still taxed in some places and not taxed in others
the debate starts to get interesting when we realize that there aren't that many ways to enforce the tax
we're probably moving to a world where there's enough technology for citizens to pay for taxes only if they want to

of course each person will always have to face the consequences of their decisions.

Thus, we ourselves are the ones who decide how to establish a better world with or without taxes on crypto, it is something that we must consider, I in particular have been surprised that many of the forum users have agreed that have to pay to be able to operate with crypto, the truth is that I don't see any sense, it's as if the fun was being privatized, therefore we must be very emphatic about what we want to achieve, it is very easy to say that we want make a difference, but if everything that a government imposes and everyone says yes, it is something that I do not agree with, any government could manage the resources of the country as they want, because that is what they were elected for, and if they steal or something Similarly, the fault of those who elected them, there is no doubt about that.

As a user of many casinos, I always have the option of doing better things, less thinking about giving taxes to a government that in reality, according to my country, does not deserve it, because they are correct in every sense, so if that is the case, how does it make you want to pay something like that? for them? no, it's not worth it.

I could say that things can be seen from the point of view that is more optional and beneficial for everyone, depending on the country we are in, we must pay because I am located in countries like Switzerland, and the Nordic countries where the validity of life is too high, this can lead many to think that things can be seen differently, because the country is focused on doing different activities that completely benefit the inhabitants of the country. For that reason, we can think that it can be different, perhaps for They do, so in this Order of Ideas we could Comply with a Country like That , but if it is a Country that is in the Range of mine , Believe me it does not cause Anything with them , because they are too Corrupt and have no where to scar more  money , money that is not intended for the country but for themselves , the Rulers.


considering the size of most participants in the forum, even the ones in the many millions of dollars, paying or not won't make such a big difference at an individual level
(remember the governments usually get trillions of usd in taxes)
I'd agree that the money will probably make a bigger difference by direct donations than by going to the government hands

it's a totally unfair game to ask you to pay when you win because when you lose you're not protected for your losses at all.
602  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Brasil + 47 Países fecham acordo sobre compartilhamento de transações Cripto on: November 22, 2023, 01:43:56 PM
Discordo em partes, big wall  Undecided o grande problema dos controles é até que se tenha uma estrutura já definida para obtenção dos dados. Uma vez que as linhas estejam plenamente estabelecidas, a única coisa que pode selar estas informações ao acesso terceiro são os direitos sobre propriedade e privacidade de dados. Ainda que bem mais evoluído após a criação da GDPR em 2018, ele ainda está bem distante de ações práticas quando falamos justamente dos cardumes de pequeninos peixes e não dos mais fofinhos Grin

A própria indústria mostra que o tempo leva à facilidades e diminuição de custos, não por menos viemos maturando bastante na última década. No momento certo estas informações estarão a um clique daqueles que elas buscam, como ocorre em convergência dos Bancos Centrais globalmente sempre que necessário.

Dito isso, àqueles que desejam menos transparência de suas operações e holdings, fatalmente terão de apelar para as carteiras de auto-custodia e soluções que as envolvam. Ainda somos em parte uma "terra de ninguém", mas caminhando em velocidades (cada vez mais) galopantes para um ambiente mais regulado (e, consequente, monitorado).

Ainda não vejo motivos para tanta preocupação. Você sabia que toda e qualquer transação bancária acima de 2 mil reais é relatada a receita Federal ? E nem por isso tem tanta gente chamada para prestar esclarecimentos junto ao fisco. Imagina milhões de pessoas tendo de se explicar para a Receita ? Seria uma coisa um tanto quanto complicada. Não acha?

em geral é muito comum se vc conversar com auditores eles relatarem que a receita não tem nem braço para fiscalizar todo mundo
e talvez nunca tenha, teria que pensar nisso
AI e automatizações pode facilitar isso mas sempre cai no jogo de gato e rato.

e o acordo foi publicado agora então essa data contaria desde novembro de 2022 ou mesmo estando disponível ainda não consta como publicado?
tentando entender melhor aqui

no Brasil algumas vezes se pode ler uma lei antes dela ser aprovada em todas as estâncias e estar "valendo"
~

Sim, o acordo saiu agora. Então os países terão 4 anos para se adaptarem e colocar em pratica.
Mas, conhecendo como as coisas são, em 2027, ainda haverá países que não fizeram qualquer implementação. Até porque agora tem de ser feitas leis sobre o assunto, e em alguns países pode ser mais demorado.

Em muitas destas questão Portugal atrasa sempre, e depois tem de andar a pagar pseud. multas. Acredito que o Brasil seja igual.  Roll Eyes

chutaria que no Brasil as coisas tardam mais ainda.


O acordo é bom, na minha opinião vai fechar o cerco contra pessoas que ainda utilizam de exchanges internacionais para cometer crimes, oque não deve ser pouco, porém como em todo meio ainda terá brechas/pontos cegos à fiscalização.

Falando o "Português claro", esse acordo é para pegar a malandragem que trocou o doleiro tradicional por exchanges para mandar altas somas de dinheiro para outros Países. Vários países já descobriram isso e agora querem fechar o cerco. Continuo insistindo, isso é para pegar Baleias e não sardinhas. O custo para pegar somente sardinhas não compensa.

Ah paredão... eu discordo!
A algumas décadas atrás em que os cruzamos de informações eram feitos em papel, as notificações precisavam ser redigidas em cartas "chiques" e entregues na porta do sonegador por um oficial de justiça, de fato isso não compensa.

Porém hoje, o mesmo sistema que detecta uma divergência de R$ 1 bilhão também pega outras centenas de R$ 1 mil. O investimento em hardware e software para pegar um ou outro é o mesmo, o custo de notificação é online (malha fina) e a cartinha que chega por correio custa merrecas.
É uma nuvem de sardinhas que, no meu entendimento ignorante, é viável de detectar e cobrar.

E sei não, mas acho que é seguindo os rastro das sardinhas que muitas vezes a Receita Federal descobre os peixes-grandes.

Por isso... meu conselho é: Não importa se tu movimento grande quantias ou não, se o custo com impostos é nulo ou insignificante, sempre faça tudo conforme manda a lei.

o custo não é o mesmo pq tem que mobilizar pessoal, abrir processo, etc...
o amigo de um amigo é filho de um auditor da receita (não é zoeira essa hahah) e disse que gastos excessivos no cartão por exemplo só começam a disparar sinais de fumaça na receita acima de um valor bem alto que agora não lembro exato mas era tipo 15 ou 20 mil reais por mês.

o custo está no processo como o Joker falou, não em encontrar os problemas.




Eles tem um bom marketing de "terror" né, os sistemas podem ainda nem existir e eles já estão montando material para passar na tv e para os sites de noticias divulgarem e não falo só sobre cripto... Eles fazem algumas operações pegando umas baleias em vários setores e produzem material pra mídia divulgar. Na prática deve dar muito resultado pois fica sempre aquela pulga atrás da orelha e as pessoas começam a avaliar o custo beneficio de se manter na ilegalidade.

Tem que ver o tamanho da ilegalidade. Tem uma grandes ilegalidades e tem pequenas ilegalidades. Lembro do meu falecido pai quando fazia seu imposto de renda. Ele sempre deixava um erro bobo na declaração. Eu perguntava para ele: Pai por que você faz isso ?  Ele me respondia: É que se os auditores pegarem minha declaração, eles vão se ater apenas ao "erro bobo" e deixar passar o resto.  Cheesy Cheesy Tá certo que a malha fina não era tão sofisticada, ainda era o seu início, mas era interessante o que ele fazia.

interessante a estratégia hahahah

continuo me perguntando o que aconteceria se uma pessoa que sonega dezenas de milhões for pega na malha fina e coincidentemente (por opção ou por acidente) é hackeada na mesma semana e perde todo o dinheiro para um hacker que passa o dinheiro num mixer

o estado ainda iria a frente com o processo ou teria que desistir?


Por isso... meu conselho é: Não importa se tu movimento grande quantias ou não, se o custo com impostos é nulo ou insignificante, sempre faça tudo conforme manda a lei.

E nossa lei é tão boa. 35k de isenção mensal.

Basta sempre negociar menos do que isso e tá tudo certo.

Parece q a partir do ano q vem precisaremos fazer isso em corretoras brasileiras né , se a lei nova passar... mesmo assim é uma tremenda folga.

Temos uma legislação muito amigável para criptomoedas, pelo menos pro enquanto. Espero que o Lula não nos persiga...

nunca te vi tão otimista Bitmover
também acho a legislação bem relaxada aqui nesse sentido

mas acho que a isenção dos 35k/mês cai ainda nesse mandato.
603  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: November 22, 2023, 01:34:47 PM
~snip~
As every thing is updated through technology, gambling is also updated in the same way. The style of play is different in each case many may feel comfortable playing for fun it is right that gambling is not considered as a source of income as it is difficult to earn here and no one knows the exact news of winning. Quitting is better than becoming addicted basic needs cannot be met from gambling but in reality this momentary pleasure can sometimes appear as infatuation or addiction in anyone's life. And that's when the problem happened this is why it is important to think about your own problems and control everything so that there will be no risk of addiction.

Yeah, spot on. Being in control of your own actions is always the key to having a good life.

The moment that you lose control, either in gambling, or anything else really, your life starts to spiral down into something bad.

It's much better to stop it while it's still under control.

I totally agree
the thing is that this is sometimes easier said than done
when we are over strong emotions sometimes it's harder to think clearly
it varies from person to person and from situation to situation of course.
604  Economy / Services / Re: [CFNP] Duelbits.com | Signature Campaign ~ Full Members+ | Up to $70/Week on: November 22, 2023, 01:22:36 PM
Lucasgabd your a Legendary, that title doesn’t count in days, it takes roughly a year to attain and that’ll be a year of being really active (on forum and in content) to archive.
With that, it’s safe to assume when it comes to these little forum and campaign mechanics, you understand a great deal.

my personal preference would also be to have the posts counted by week instead of by day
this way timezones wouldn't matter,
but the way the campaign is done right now, timezones matter, that's why I'm asking.

and I don't think users should miss payments for 6 posts in one day and 4 posts in a different one
but I don't make the rules
I think Hhampuz is a great manager and I don't have to agree with all his practices and choices of rules to join the campaings
Every manager throws at you a different set of challenges and that’s what I think makes the forum a lot beautiful and we end up giving some preferences to managers and whom we enjoy working with. While some campaigns pays per post with a defined minimum, others pay by quota and Hhampuz happens to be that manager that pays per quota.

You don’t expect the rules to be edited to suit you or anyone. Not when there isn’t a complaint on a large scale by participants. Instead of having a shift in the rules in the regards you’ve suggested, you can have an internal shift of your schedule to fit the rules.
I understood you wanted to get what really happened but, come on, not having paid for a 6th post, in a 20post/7days campaign and referencing a timing, it doesn’t feels like the best thing not to be cool with.

In the days that you miss out, use it to compare days that you didn’t and you would spot why!
Meanwhile, dangling around the post quota like 20/21/22 is always a risky move. You can define a safe zone in timing and in number of post. Have a good spread across boards and posts/per day and be cool. Don’t have to wait until a UTC time is close or reached and perhaps the last days of the campaign week to meet your mark.

Give the campaign the exposure it needs through the week and have it stay a while longer in good business.

also important to notice that I'm not complaining about not receiving the payment this week but asking on why and how to improve because my mistake can be other's mistakes too
Good you asked, good you know and better still, your willing to acknowledge and move forward on it as Hhampuz have rightly put you through. Let’s go forward past this!

chill Wink
I'm not asking the rules to be changed to fit my personal preference

all the questions I had were answered. no need to make a buzz about it.

The faster I saw someone reach legendary status is 3 years, maybe it's possible to do it faster, idk
605  Economy / Services / Re: [CFNP] Duelbits.com | Signature Campaign ~ Full Members+ | Up to $70/Week on: November 21, 2023, 04:50:29 PM

oh, our forum times are probably in different timezones
in my timezone I made only 5 posts on the 15th, and 5 on the 14th

is there any way I can update my forum timezone to look the same as yours so this doesn't happen again?

I am surprised that you are talking about timezone in 2023. I am not good with computers or the internet but I would still post the number required without any issue. According to my understanding, your Internet service provider would be connected to what is known as a global clock. If yes, then Google tells you the correct time in UTC according to your timezone. Do not come up with such excuses as it does not justify what you are trying to achieve. Please do not take it personally, understand we are in 2023 and not in 1993.

It has happened to me too as I slipped the time and did not get paid for my efforts that does not mean you will not get it in the future. Please calculate how to spread your posts, and replies, as it is only 20 posts per week.

[...]

you clearly didn't understand my situation and lost a beautiful opportunity to be quiet about it or try to understand it instead of making a comment that adds nothing (desctructive criticism vs constructive)

my personal preference would also be to have the posts counted by week instead of by day
this way timezones wouldn't matter,
but the way the campaign is done right now, timezones matter, that's why I'm asking.

and I don't think users should miss payments for 6 posts in one day and 4 posts in a different one
but I don't make the rules
I think Hhampuz is a great manager and I don't have to agree with all his practices and choices of rules to join the campaings

also important to notice that I'm not complaining about not receiving the payment this week but asking on why and how to improve because my mistake can be other's mistakes too

have a nice day.
606  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The madness of gambling addicts. on: November 21, 2023, 04:44:18 PM
-snip
Yes, we must consider bad experiences as learning material so that we can avoid other bad experiences. Even other people's bad experiences can also be a lesson for us so that we don't experience them and can avoid having the same bad experiences. By trying to avoid repeating the same mistakes, we can become responsible gamblers so that we will not experience serious problems like other people.
you have to be careful if you want to see other people experiences to use as a benchmark for not making the same mistakes because sometimes your level of gambling is not the same as his or he could be a very reckless gambling addict and I am worried if you use other people experiences as valuable lessons. for you, I am afraid you will actually have curiosity and try it.

for me the best experience is only what you do yourself and other people experiences are just additions.
I think one of the wisest decisions on earth is to learn from other people's mistakes instead of trying to make same mistakes that has grave consequences before one can actually learn. Gambling addiction is one of the worst things that can happen to any individual and it's very good to learn from it's effects on other people who refused to gamble responsibly instead of trying to become a gambling addict before one can learn from it because at the end, the person might not even be psychological strong enough to come out of the addiction

learning from others is a must for development and for breaking plateaus
I find it really good to be with people who know more than I do on subjects I want to learn

as an example
the times I learned chess the most were the times when I played with people who are better than me,
even if I lost I'd see how they think and be able to improve my game.
607  Economy / Services / Re: [CFNP] Duelbits.com | Signature Campaign ~ Full Members+ | Up to $70/Week on: November 21, 2023, 04:15:12 PM
is there any way I can update my forum timezone to look the same as yours so this doesn't happen again?

As per the rules the cut-off is according to my timezone (CET). My time offset setting here is 1, not sure what that would do for you, though.

changing will help me identify the correct days of posts so in the weeks I'm on a rush I can still focus on posting inside the same days so this kind of thing doesn't happen again when I close to 23pm on the forum cut (which is different than my 23 pm)

so right now it's 5:14 pm for you in the forum, correct?

probably other users end up having this problem too



oh, our forum times are probably in different timezones
in my timezone I made only 5 posts on the 15th, and 5 on the 14th

is there any way I can update my forum timezone to look the same as yours so this doesn't happen again?
Account settings can help you.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1002159;sa=theme
Code:
Time Offset:
Number of hours to +/- to make displayed time equal to your local time.
Change 0 to 1 like Hhampuz told you.

You can see it at Hhampuz profile https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=881377
Local time is +1 than your forum time if you use a default forum time.

thanks, this helped a lot. merited
608  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: November 21, 2023, 04:11:44 PM
Yep, Im a loser on slots. Need to hit a max multi to get it all back.
Most of the loss was on pragmatic slots and the highest multiplier ever perhaps only 700x ish.
Note, got max scatters doesnt mean you will hit something big, been there a few times and failed to be rich ..

what was the max multiplier you got and with what amount of bankroll?

of course hitting a 1000x with 1 dollar is still impressive but getting 999 dollars profit is not life changing
totally different if you hit a 1000x with 10k

makes sense?

If I imagine how good it must be to feel that your bet will be 10,000x even with a 0.2$ bet, how much more so if your bet is mounted at 1$, especially? It's just that, in my experience, I have never experienced that.

Maybe the highest I've ever experienced was the one that only x 250-300 on my bet of 0.2$ in slot games that are often played in a casino here in the crypto gambling business, and then I rarely win again.

isn't it better to focus on total amount earned instead of focusing on multipliers?
a bit on the lines of what I said before
a big multiplier is impressive but 900 dollars won't change your life.

curious to hear more of your opinions on this matter.
609  Economy / Services / Re: [CFNP] Duelbits.com | Signature Campaign ~ Full Members+ | Up to $70/Week on: November 21, 2023, 03:53:30 PM
the post on monday was possibly after your time zone cut but the other 8 ones weren't

You made 6 posts on the 15th, of which only 5 could be counted. You made one post after the cut-off which is counted for this current week.

oh, our forum times are probably in different timezones
in my timezone I made only 5 posts on the 15th, and 5 on the 14th

is there any way I can update my forum timezone to look the same as yours so this doesn't happen again?
610  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Na sua opinião estamos em qual momento do Ciclo de mercado? on: November 21, 2023, 03:49:59 PM
entre disbelief e hope
começando o próximo ciclo de alta absurda
clipe seu cinto e espere...

uma representação que gosto desse gráfico para crypto especificamente é linka-lo repetindo o padrão com picos cada vez mais altos
é o que tem acontecido nos últimos anos.
611  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Javier Milei é o novo presidente da Argentina on: November 21, 2023, 03:35:35 PM
Mais um presidente pró-Bitcoin no mundo: Javier Milei.

Com 86,59% das urnas apuradas, Milei tem 55,95% e Sergio Massa, 44,04%.

Será que vai consertar a economia da Argentina ou vai acabar de vez com o nosso país vizinho?
Muito feliz com o resultado.

Haverão duas possibilidades:

1. O cara prova que o libertarianismo funciona, adotamos aqui e a America do Sul vira potencia.
2. O cara prova que o libertarianismo NÃO funciona, garantimos que não será adotado aqui.

É win-win.

Ou ele é só um charlatão e o país segue no mesmo poço = muda nada pra nós.

Não existe libertarianismo com presença do estado. O libertarianismo prega o fim no organismo parasitário social chamado estado e prega a liberdade e soberania individual. Milei é político, no maximo ele vai melhorar alguma coisa na argentina, é puro desespero coletivo do povo argentino. O libertarianismo funciona, quando voce vai na padaria e faz troca voluntária e gera riqueza entre ambas as partes envolvidas, sem agressão a propriedade privada, isso ja é LIBERTARIANISMO. E funciona muito bem.

ok e se a gente aprofunda um pouco mais e pensa em setores em que as pessoas deveriam estar antes do lucro, por exemplo saúde na terceira idade?
acho que tem mais coisas e situações para pensarmos aí que fogem do óbvio

mas de repente é assunto para outro tópico e melhor focar no Milei nesse aqui.
612  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [POLL] Using AI to predict outcomes on: November 21, 2023, 03:05:51 PM
~snip~
I’m sure it’s only a matter of time before someone creates and AI bot that can sit around making thousands of bets per day and winning at a rate slightly higher than the average gambler. I still don’t think AI can beat the odds over a casino in the long run, but I imagine it could probably bet a massive amount of money with a ton of bets to make gamblers inflate their amount bet numbers like never before.

In a way this has already happened, in the stock exchange. It's called High Frequency Trading (HFT), and it's been happening since more than a decade or two already.

Basically the bots try to find a good opportunity and they buy or sell stocks, all of this in milliseconds. There's no way a human can compete with this.

In terms of betting, I guess most casinos have slower interfaces so I don't think they provide a similar infrastructure like the stock exchange.

the more I learn the more I find that it's usually better to try to get rich slowly and over time than trying to get rich quickly only.
time does a beautiful job for you in terms of compounding gains and rushing/being worried about money many times will make you lose instead of win.
613  Economy / Services / Re: [CFNP] Duelbits.com | Signature Campaign ~ Full Members+ | Up to $70/Week on: November 21, 2023, 02:55:00 PM
Round 163 Payments have been sent out!


Thank you all for yet another fantastic week, keep it up! Smiley

No new positions have opened up.

hi Hhampuz
one of my posts was not counted so I didn't receive payments this week
even though I made 21 posts,
12 posts on gambling accepted so I suppose the one not accepted was on the local board, but can you tell me which one so I can learn and improve for the next weeks?

the post on monday was possibly after your time zone cut but the other 8 ones weren't

thanks a lot
614  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Javier Milei é o novo presidente da Argentina on: November 20, 2023, 11:05:41 PM
Uau
Vi a noticia agora, interessante
Bem curioso com qual será o rumo de agora em diante e concordo que como no dos outros é refresco vai ser um bom experimento pra ver o que funciona

A nao ser que seja só mais um doidão que nao consiga governar ou queira só sugar e aparelhar o estado

Veremos
615  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are You Tax Efficient With Your Gambling Habbits? on: November 17, 2023, 03:12:48 PM
We pay extra tax on everything we use but paying tax on gambling seems a little surprising to me. I'm already tired of paying extra tax on everything and then again if we have to pay tax on such a risky site like gambling it will be a very bad thing for us. Gambling is already very risky, money can be lost when gambling. Paying taxes from a platform where there is no guarantee of money is really ridiculous. Even if I pay taxes for everything else, at least I'll never pay for gambling. I will turn off gambling if necessary but I am not willing to pay taxes for gambling. Every gambler, not just me, will say that and they certainly don't pay the government taxes for their gambling.
As far as I know, Once you win in any gambling, you won't get the whole value prize because there's a limit amount that is subject to tax. so better to Make sure you keep good records of your gambling activities; losses as well as gains. I as well doesn't want to pay taxes for my gambling activities but it is stated in the law.

I understand that there are European countries like Spain that have to establish or declare almost everything, the thing is that they do not charge the fee for the air that is breathed because it is closed or they have found a way, however Spain is a country that can evade taxes if you go to another country and play, for example a neighboring country, like Portugal, if you are going to play in Portugal the policies are different, they should not charge you tax, because you are outside of Spain, it is an option, now If the person is told that they have to pay taxes because they play in a crypto casino, I think it is not appropriate, because if we assume that crypto is for us to establish an agrable time to have fun, why should we pay taxes to a government? I don't know, sometimes the laws are a little strange, because if I want to play from outside Spain I don't have to pay, the regulations in the countries are very different, they can change from one moment to the next and they can make a difference if you take into consideration the sperosnas decision, what happens if they don't pay?

If I register from Spain under a pseudonymous coaulquer, but they deposit the money into my bank from another country, how will the country realize that I am person X? If I can say that someone entered my account with my internet and played, then how can they determine what they should pay? Those are the things that I don't understand sometimes, because every user in their country has a way of evading taxes, and I say evade because I am a supporter that when you use crypto and in a casino you should not pay anything to any government, let alone pro sar crypto or bitoin, because they do not give any type of benefit and that is what we can exercise when we are in a country like this, for those reasons it is that we must be very emphatic with the rights, we cannot allow ourselves to be trampled on or pay for a government that imposes only its rules where it uses and takes away, but that is my personal opinion.


if you take into account only the laws of a country and not morals, ethics and other ideas than crypto still taxed in some places and not taxed in others
the debate starts to get interesting when we realize that there aren't that many ways to enforce the tax
we're probably moving to a world where there's enough technology for citizens to pay for taxes only if they want to

of course each person will always have to face the consequences of their decisions.
616  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are successful gamblers seen as addicts? on: November 17, 2023, 03:02:48 PM
I wish I could have posted this in a more better place but since the thoughts came from gambling addiction, I thought it wise to ask this question over here and I hope we can discuss and get this straight.

Just as the tittle already ask, I really want to know if people who are successful in gambling also seen as addicts because I believe  for one to be successful in gambling or whatever they choose to do, there must be some good amount  of time and effort invested in it as well as money and we know that a successful  gambler must have invested  both time, effort and even money to make any reasonable  winning  and these also are features of an addict as there are always excessive time spent on a betting site.

Now let's be sincere, will you also classify a successful gambler as an addict?

great topic
only saw it now

there's a thin line that separate obsession from passion sometimes, when it comes to doing and mastering an art or skill form
most will probably consider successful gamblers not to be addicted.



what are the main things needed to be a successful gambler?

luck
bankroll management
emotional control/awareness

what else?
617  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: November 17, 2023, 02:51:15 PM
Yep, Im a loser on slots. Need to hit a max multi to get it all back.
Most of the loss was on pragmatic slots and the highest multiplier ever perhaps only 700x ish.
Note, got max scatters doesnt mean you will hit something big, been there a few times and failed to be rich ..

what was the max multiplier you got and with what amount of bankroll?

of course hitting a 1000x with 1 dollar is still impressive but getting 999 dollars profit is not life changing
totally different if you hit a 1000x with 10k

makes sense?
618  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Quantas pessoas pagariam impostos se fosse opcional? on: November 17, 2023, 02:15:06 PM

fiz o quote da mensagem errada
a que queria ter citado era essa:


médio
a maioria faz circo ou dança
é absurdamente mais fácil viver de circo na europa que no Brasil
tem muito mais dinheiro, mais estrutura, mas projetos, formas de se manter apenas treinando e apresentando.
(daí vc entende pq alguém que vive de arte tende a ter opiniões sobre economia mais pra esquerda, ou ter reservas/herança)

então tem um lado financeiro mas não é exatamente para pagar menos impostos
até pq a galera não costuma ganhar muito e muitas vezes nem paga IR


Quer dizer então que o pessoal do circo e da dança é tudo "Comunista" Huh? Esses comunistas estão em tudo o que é lugar. São perigosos. Mesmo depois da queda do muro de Berlim e o final da União Soviética, eles continuam soltos por ai. Será que eles ainda usam o tal "ouro de Moscou" para propagar ideias marxistas pelo mundo afora ??  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

tá muito calor essa semana, não to conseguindo pensar direito hahaha

não vou editar a mensagem anterior para não confundir mais ainda mas veja se agora faz mais sentido o fluxo de ideias

Wink

Fiquei na mesma. Acredito que o calor não fez você perceber que a citação que eu fiz era uma IRONIA. Pois é que para os Bolsonaristas seguidores do "professor" Olavo de Carvalho e também o pessoalzinho da extrema-direita, tudo que é contrário ao pensamento deles é coisa de "Comunista". Eles veem Comunistas em todos os lugares. Deu para entender a ironia?

mas é aí que eu te peguei Paredao
você não percebeu, talvez pelo erro da mensagem citada no começo, que meu comentário também foi irônico
ironia sobre ironia
o hexagrama da ironia ao quadrado

percebe?
619  Economy / Gambling / Re: Duelbits.com | Casino & Sportsbook | VIP | Instant withdrawals!|ARGENTINA & AVFC on: November 17, 2023, 01:56:16 PM
look who's laughing now
I have never played a slot. LOL. But try to stop fully from the slot I am trying to do it.

just kidding but would be really interesting to see statistical distribution of winners and losers over time on slot games
I could bet that there are way more people losing money than making money.
You will win if anyone is willing to accept the challenge of betting related to more people depoait money than those who make withdrawals in the slot game.
I also do not believe that many have succeeded in making money from the slot game even though some of them say I am not inferior during playing, if calculated the results are still a series between deposits and withdrawals.

maybe the only way to make money is to keep playing until you have a big win but even this doesn't come without risks because it could take a long long time for your first win to come
life isn't easy, you know?
haha
620  Local / Português (Portuguese) / Re: Quantas pessoas pagariam impostos se fosse opcional? on: November 16, 2023, 04:51:23 PM



Felizmente, atualmente, os brasileiros que veem para Portugal, já procuram outro tipo de condições e não se sujeitam a qualquer coisa.

Mas hoje o pessoal que imigra para Portugal já são de pessoas "endinheiradas". Tenho vários amigos que se aposentaram nas forças armadas ou nas policias estaduais e foram morar em Portugal por causa da qualidade de vida. Com o dinheiro que recebem da aposentadoria, eles vivem muito bem em Portugal. Fora que existe aquele visto especial de residente para aposentados em Portugal.

oh lord
obrigado pelos meus ouvidos que me permitem ouvir, mesmo que seja uma merda dessas
obrigado pelos meus olhos que permitem ver e ler, mesmo que tamanha besteira.


Não entendi tal reação por sua parte. Acredito que você anda meio desatualizado em se tratando de imigração para Portugal. Leia essa materia da BBC a respeito do assunto: https://www.bbc.com/portuguese/geral-59242654
Agora, imagine se você fosse um oficial reformado das forças armadas, imagine se fosse tivesse uma patente de coronel, com um salário de aproximadamente 5 mil Euros mensais livres de impostos. Você não pensaria em se mudar para Portugal. Um lugar onde você tem segurança, saúde e educação Huh? Se não pensa assim, me desculpe, então você é mais burro do que eu pensava,

fiz o quote da mensagem errada
a que queria ter citado era essa:


médio
a maioria faz circo ou dança
é absurdamente mais fácil viver de circo na europa que no Brasil
tem muito mais dinheiro, mais estrutura, mas projetos, formas de se manter apenas treinando e apresentando.
(daí vc entende pq alguém que vive de arte tende a ter opiniões sobre economia mais pra esquerda, ou ter reservas/herança)

então tem um lado financeiro mas não é exatamente para pagar menos impostos
até pq a galera não costuma ganhar muito e muitas vezes nem paga IR


Quer dizer então que o pessoal do circo e da dança é tudo "Comunista" Huh? Esses comunistas estão em tudo o que é lugar. São perigosos. Mesmo depois da queda do muro de Berlim e o final da União Soviética, eles continuam soltos por ai. Será que eles ainda usam o tal "ouro de Moscou" para propagar ideias marxistas pelo mundo afora ??  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

tá muito calor essa semana, não to conseguindo pensar direito hahaha

não vou editar a mensagem anterior para não confundir mais ainda mas veja se agora faz mais sentido o fluxo de ideias

Wink
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