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601  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling? on: December 15, 2015, 03:54:52 AM
I feel like I have a really good idea for a game that no one has tried yet, and have tried in the past to gather some people to go in on a partnership with me to get it developed and to get it up and working.  The only problem is, is that there is really no interest from people who can code to get all this stuff set up without knowing if it's going to be a huge success or not.  I've tried in the past talking with some people about getting a plan together, but people just tend to be very skeptical... Since I can't really protect my idea if I start explaining the concept in full detail, I'm just going to wait until maybe sometime in the future, I will learn how to code and create my own website.  I guess it's the only way this would be possible for me to start my own gambling website, because of the fact that I can't afford to pay someone 5,10,20 BTC to code something for me, I just simply can't afford that... and also the fact that there really isn't really any "premium" of any kind on ideas where coders will be willing to give me a reasonable chunk of the profits from the site deters me from trying to make my idea come to life.

Unfortunate, because I really believe this would be a fun game for everyone with insane winnings if the person who plaid were to win (not a "lottery" though).

You bring up a really good point here, and yeah... this is a good place to ask for questions in general about how one would go about getting their ideas to "come to life".  I believe there is so much room for innovation in the gaming experience, and there has to be a realization that not all good coders who can create these games have the best ideas, per se.


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Why not freshen things up on here with a speculation topic that asks the question: "What's your idea of the next big thing in online gambling?"
I have to agree with you there, the last couple of weeks I'm seeing the same kinds of threads over and over again. Nice to see something different, I'll have a go. Smiley

I'm a fan of new games that incorporate concepts of Bitcoin in it, for example those mining games or predictions based on the Bitcoin price or difficulty, satoshimines comes to mind, but I'd like to see some new fresh ideas in that area (games based on Bitcoin, the blockchain).

I'd also like to see more pvp skill games (either new or existing games) with a gambling aspect, not really something new, but it's definitely something that hasn't really caught on yet by the big public (with the exception of poker). I'm thinking of tournaments with a jackpot consisting of entry fees. So that's something I hope will be the next big thing.

I'm not quite sure if I have seen this somewhere before, but I believe there was a site that was promoting itself for doing exactly that. I want to say it was PevPot, and I think one of the more trusted members on this side of the forum, RHavar, created it. It's basically a lottery type system that issues "tickets" out based on how much you bet... after X amount of blocks have been solved, it uses the next block to decide who wins the pot (that part I still don't quite understand).

Not quite sure if there are any other sites that uses the blockchain as a form of gambling, but a neat concept overall. Keep 'em coming! Smiley
602  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why arnt we seeing more bitcoin ATM popping up? on: December 15, 2015, 03:46:57 AM
Base on my personal experience, it's a lot easier to buy bitcoins in person from someone than to use an ATM machines an go through the long process before having your bitcoin...

In many cases the process of buying bitcoins is simple as scan code, feed cash, click send = 15 seconds. No registration or verification.
Almost all lamassu machines (~30% of all bitcoin ATMs) work like this.


The Lamassu machine in my city requires a scan of the state Driver's License.  "Debbie Downer"

It also does not work right all the time, the owners are always having to fiddle with it (reboot, etc.).  That MIGHT be a network or WiFi issue, I cannot say.

I bought some BTC at a BTM in NYC once.  No ID!  I put in almost ALL the FIAT$ I had in my wallet.  Then went to a regular ATM to replenish my cash.

Just be glad that you have a city that has an ATM in your state in general, let alone your city... It would be so convenient to exchange cash for bitcoin directly and not have to worry about my bank verifying my transaction that takes 4 business days.  I think the closest one to me is around maybe 4 hours away? So unless I had a huge amount of fiat that I was willing to deposit directly into bitcoin, it will never be reasonable for me to make that drive.
603  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: CHAT THREAD FOR ---> Bitcoin Game Changer - Coming to over 10,000 cities across on: December 15, 2015, 03:39:11 AM


So in a way, it sounds like this is more of a bank/stock brokerage? Idk, just sounds like that though... but from what you're saying, the only thing you need to do is to have the funds available and ready when the time comes and you are ready to start taking investment order... but here's the reason why I'm skeptical: I am not going to say what the nature of the business is at this time.  All investors will be given a preview prior to making the investment, just to make sure this is something they are interested in.  This way there are no surprises.

If you are making a niche market where you have a certain business project outlined, the thing is, is that the person who is getting invested into something like this will probably need to know something about what they are doing.  They will need to know what they are doing, but we are taking a lot of the work out of play so that the investor can sit in front of a computer in their underwear to run this or pay someone $10 an hour to process the transactions when they come in.  So for example: someone who is a computer scientist probably won't know how to economically run a business. We are doing all of the leg work to put this all together in so that this will be a turn key business.  We beleive this will assist in making this a low blow.  People have knowledge in many different fields, and I doubt that "every one" with the funds you are requesting people to have are the only thing they need to make a ROI out of this... Not to mention you need to advertise your product, try to get people to do business with you, and maybe even need to rent out a building to do business at so people know where to go to talk to you about stuff. You do not need an office unless you want one.  I can run 25 cities from my home computer and it is not even that good. People don't tend to do business with people when it's all based on the internet, especially the case if you are trying to get people to take over 10,000 cities in America or wherever.  The money part of the business will be online. The business part of this is in the open and will be all taken care of by your customers.
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Ok, so maybe I'm reading into this in a wrong way, but how you described the business plan in the last part I bolded and underlined it seems as if this is more of a pyramid scheme?  So like those Verge energy drinks or whatever else the "customer" needs to purchase something in order for them to sell it and so on?  If the business is "taken care of by your customers", then this screams out pyramid scheme to me... did I get that wrong?
604  Other / Off-topic / Re: If You Won A Million Dollars.. How Much Bitcoin Would You Buy? on: December 15, 2015, 03:31:48 AM
10,000 in Bitcoin and save the rest to invest.

So you wouldn't do anything else with your money. Like pay off your mortgage or buy a new PC or buy a nice car. You are a weird guy.

Also the type of guy who can't do math...

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I would say that I would split it about 50/50. Worth the risk but I wouldn't like to set my self straight such as finishing paying off the house and student loans, ect.

I think it would be even more feasible (if you honestly believe bitcoin is going to succeed in 5-10 years time) to invest 75% of your funds into bitcoin while using the other 25% to pay off stuff like bills and that sort of thing.  I mean if you think about it, that's $250,000... For me that's a middle class income for 3 & 1/2 years or something like that. You can do a lot with that kind of money if you spend it properly.

Now the tricky part is deciding when to buy with the 750K you set off to the side, which you have multiple options of either buying it all at once (which that in itself is tricky because of different laws put in place), or try and decide a time to buy each week in increments.  I would think buying a noticeable dip every week with something around $2-5K per week will be optimal in not going all in on one set price and have the potential to lose out big.
605  Economy / Speculation / Re: Reasons for a possible BTC price decline? on: December 15, 2015, 03:24:33 AM
Well I mean it seems that everyone has forgotten that there is still a blocksize debate going on, and the direction of where bitcoin goes from here doesn't necessarily matter any more because of "da halving!! Tongue".

Where the devs take it from here is very important for Bitcoins long time success, and what people are proposing from both sides on the topic of what the block size should be would be a huge change in the structure of bitcoin block chain itself...

So what I'm trying to say, is that if a bad mistake were to happen in this debate and the possible fork fails, then we would see a major decline in price because there would be no more trust in how bitcoin operates at it's most fundamental level.
606  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: CHAT THREAD FOR ---> Bitcoin Game Changer - Coming to over 10,000 cities across on: December 15, 2015, 02:40:15 AM
I'm interested but skeptical since there is no info. Could you at least give out a little bit more information as to what this is about in general? Is it btc exchange?
I can give some general info, but we are keeping this under wraps until we are ready to go live.  This project can be duplicated by anyone and I am sure it will once we hit the floor running.  We are just trying to keep this with the people instead of letting some large investor or company take it and run it with large corporate profit margins.  This project will make using Bitcoin like using a credit card, allowing and informing more users about bitcoin and making it more profitable.

So in a way, it sounds like this is more of a bank/stock brokerage? Idk, just sounds like that though... but from what you're saying, the only thing you need to do is to have the funds available and ready when the time comes and you are ready to start taking investment order... but here's the reason why I'm skeptical:

If you are making a niche market where you have a certain business project outlined, the thing is, is that the person who is getting invested into something like this will probably need to know something about what they are doing.  So for example: someone who is a computer scientist probably won't know how to economically run a business. People have knowledge in many different fields, and I doubt that "every one" with the funds you are requesting people to have are the only thing they need to make a ROI out of this... Not to mention you need to advertise your product, try to get people to do business with you, and maybe even need to rent out a building to do business at so people know where to go to talk to you about stuff. People don't tend to do business with people when it's all based on the internet, especially the case if you are trying to get people to take over 10,000 cities in America or wherever.
607  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: what happens to Bitcoin if internet goes down? on: December 15, 2015, 02:24:23 AM
If the full Internet is down people will be using alcohol and cigarettes for trade.

Next year there will be satellites broadcasting the blockchain so that would likely still be going.

http://www.coindesk.com/jeff-garzik-announces-partnership-launch-bitcoin-satellites-space/

Unless somehow space gets blown up too.


Or, you know... cash?

Just because the internet is down it would not stop the Dollar, Pound, Euro etc from being valid. Banks do have preparations in place for such a thing happening.

Yes, the price of the currencies will probably be diminished, but I can see them being used over cigarettes, alcohol etc.


But the thing is, is that you have chaos going on in the world and war happening all around us, then that would most likely mean that something isn't right with government and people will lose all "trust" in the government.  Fiat is all backed on "trust" in the government, and the prices get lower if there is no more trust... it will all go back to precious metals (i.e. silver, gold, etc.).  That's one of the main things that makes precious metals so valuable to people over the course of time... you can't really create nor destroy it... in this case, there is a way (very unlikely though) to destroy bitcoin, because if you take down the internet, it is rendered completely useless.  Precious metals will always be what it is, even if you melt it, freeze it, throw it away or hide it; it's not going away.
608  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2015-12-04] A New Service Called CoinCube Can Help Manage Your BTC on: December 15, 2015, 02:13:22 AM
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“During my time working in finance, I saw firsthand the inefficiencies, double-standards, and corruption in the industry. This broken system is perpetuating the growing economic divide,” he said. “In 2013, I started to follow Bitcoin more closely and began to look for opportunities in the space. I saw a need for wealth management services for the Bitcoin community and that was the beginning of this journey.”

I am confused about introducing a middleman in a system that does not rely on a third party to form transactions. What are these 'wealth management services' ?

Basically it works like this: if you are wealthy individual already, you give access to part of your money to third party - in this case - this Wealth Management Service.
They are trying to keep your money growing by short time investing it, buying shares etc. It is passive way of income for you if they are doing their job right.

Yes and also a good way of losing if this third party service messes it up.And of course they will require a nice fee for that.
I don't see any reason why I should ever do this. When I own cryptos, I guess I know how this stuff works.When I'm wealthy I guess I know how to manage my income and how to store or increase it myself.
Stupid business imo!

From what I read on their website, they charge "high water mark" fees... meaning that if your wealth grows by using their system, then they will charge you 25% of what you gained at the end of the quarter.  Quoted from the FAQ about the high water mark system:
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A high-water mark is the highest peak in value for your COINCUBE account (based on the fee currency you have chosen). We only charge a fee if your account value has moved past the prior high-water mark. So, for example, if you started with 10 BTC, your account value increased to 13 BTC, you paid a fee based on that 3 BTC gain, but then your account value fell to 11 BTC, you would only be charged a fee again once your account value has surpassed 13 BTC. We subtract any account withdrawals from your high water mark.

So this gives members who sign up and start investing into coincube a sense that everything will be OK if the system starts to lose some of your assets through bad trade.  It won't count fees until it passes that high water mark, ensuring the customer that they will only ask you to pay the fee if they have been doing their job correctly... doesn't necessarily mean that they can't just lose your entire investment, and in the scenario above, 10 BTC is a pretty hard loss to recover if they just completely flop as a company.
609  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling? on: December 15, 2015, 12:00:27 AM
lets face it Gambling isnt knew so it's hard to think of a new game that dosnt involve the classics like poker and dice.  A game we play in ireland is called pitch and toss where you toss a coin an the person that gets closest to ta wall is the winner, might be hard to relicate in computing tho..... Tongue

Hahah, that's actually a pretty cool game, is it more just trying to get a coin closest to the wall without touching it?

And going back to what you said, yeah I understand that gambling is a very old hobby, and it's hard to get away from the norms.  I just believe that people have a lot of cool ideas, and just don't know what to do to get it to become a reality.  Plus, if someone were to make a really new type of game that hasn't really been done before in the online gambling industry, and only accepts cryptos like bitcoin, it will boost more popularity toward bitcoin and thus lead more people into wanting to get into Bitcoin in the first place.
610  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: whats the easiest way to give btc as a gift? on: December 14, 2015, 11:48:52 PM
There are still physical bitcoins that you can buy and gift.
It would be a cool gift and would definitely get the receiver interested in bitcoins.  Smiley

Yeah, I would be ecstatic if someone were to gift me a physical bitcoin for christmas... but it's definitely something I would never "ask Santa" for christmas, because my family really hates the fact that I'm into bitcoins at all and they think it's just some fad.

But as another suggestion to the OP, I would make it abundantly clear that what you gave them probably shouldn't be "opened" if it has come pre-loaded with bitcoins on it.  Tell them how much of a collectability comes with those kind of coins, and what kind of premium they already go for when you leave those coins untouched for a prolonged period of time... honestly that would make me more interested in bitcoin and researching what coin you just gave me.
611  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling? on: December 14, 2015, 11:41:14 PM
I can speak only of Bitcoin, but I would like to see a Bitcoin's Poker Stars or something to that extent, so live texas hold'em. I had the idea of developing a Bitcoin's FanDuel/DraftKings type of site but it involved plenty of work and money, that would be another.

Yeah and that's another thing that I kind of wanted to point out that's a problem for lots of people who have great ideas, but don't know how to package them or sell them themselves; case in point, they are people with great ideas but don't know how to code a mediocre site that has a built in API and can withstand a descent amount of traffic. Even with me personally, I would have no idea how to go about coding my own site, because I don't do that kind of thing for a living and only frequent here because learning about bitcoin is just a hobby of mine and not my source of income... and because of that, every now and then I like to have fun and gamble.

So maybe along with this speculation, we can sort of talk about how to teach or give suggestions to people that do actually have good ideas on what they should do.

Idk, personally I'm just tired of seeing the same type of threads in the gambling section of the forum and want to pick peoples brains of what they think should be implemented to make gambling safer and more fun for everyone. 
612  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why arnt we seeing more bitcoin ATM popping up? on: December 14, 2015, 11:23:59 PM
Most of them get robbed (if they're not protected well by the shop owner etc).
Also they're really expensive and there's not much people who use them, so the expected roi is many years. Nobody finds them profitable to invest in.

Idk, they could be profitable in a country or state that has a lot of tech savvy people that at least know and understand a little bit about bitcoin.  They probably sometimes check and see every now and then if there are new ATM's popping up around them every now and then, and I would think that you could potentially bring in a lot of business if you decided to get one.
613  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [EMUNIE] THE fastest crypto-currency on: December 14, 2015, 11:14:12 PM
Dev, how often is emunie block produced? and which is the maximun size of the block, thanks and congrats for so nice project
eMunie actually doesn't use blocks anymore.  But confirmations on individual transactions will typically occur in 10 seconds and be spendable again in 20 seconds roughly.  Project is still in development, and docs are being prepared, so I don't have a good link to give you at this time.

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  • In 2013 eMunie gave up plans to use block chain tech (June 29th). Understandable delay was required to re-code the core using its better block tree design.
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Wow, I didn't even know that a "block tree" was being developed... that's actually really awesome he's designing something totally different in comparison to the "block chain" architecture.  But could you go more into depth about what that entails and means in regards of being able to confirm tx's faster and remain relatively secure?
614  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: whats the easiest way to give btc as a gift? on: December 14, 2015, 11:08:23 PM
im using coinbase for my wallet but if i wanted to gift some for christmas to someone who does not have a wallet, how would i go about it?

The best way i see for giving away bitcoin for xmass is as either in loaded casascius physical bitcoin or as a loaded hardware wallet like trezor.
Either way you should hurry up if u're planing on doing that, due to delivery time.

If you're looking for a cheaper alternatives, you could set up a wallet on thumb drive or as a paper wallet, even tho i would definitely suggest
one of the first option i mentioned; it has way more class to it.

cheers


Yeah, I personally think the "giving casascius coins as a gift" era has already past us by, because of the realization of how much those coins can fetch for in btc and fiat.  Even though that's what it was mainly used for in the past, if someone doesn't already own a couple of them now, they are going to pay a pretty hefty premium for them since Mike is out of business and not creating them any more.

That's not to say that there aren't other way to do this coin giving thing a try.  If you plan on giving someone at least .1 in btc, try looking at the auction threads for Smoothie's brass "lealana" coins that he auctions off pretty frequently right now.  They tend to fetch lower prices and the last thread I saw, a bulk order of 40 brass is fetching somewhere around .35 btc right now, which isn't too bad at all... plus Smoothie is kind of like Mike's successor in a way in the first ones to start producing physical bitcoins, which makes them a little cooler. Not to mention his physical coins, or any of the new and upcoming physical coins, look very nice and would be a very nice gift to someone for the holidays.
615  Economy / Gambling discussion / [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling? on: December 14, 2015, 10:57:57 PM
So, we've all pretty much seen it all when it comes to new gambling websites that are coming out now and days.  From P2P games like blackjack and poker, to provably fair lotteries and dice sites... different types of sports gambling games are also starting to pick up interest in the bitcoin world which is also a very good thing.  All of these are well and good, and while I do like to frequent some of these sites when it's a rainy day; it leaves me to think about what new possibilities are out there for new entertaining games that casinos will implement in the near future.

I keep frequenting the gambling section just to see if there were any new games and ways to gamble that have been recently made, and really, it's all just the same thing... people predicting sports picks, best ways to play dice, etc. etc.

Why not freshen things up on here with a speculation topic that asks the question: "What's your idea of the next big thing in online gambling?"
616  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: #EarnBitcoin on: December 14, 2015, 10:38:43 PM
And a similar Bittorrent + Bitcoin system:

http://joystream.co/

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A new BitTorrent client, with faster speeds, streaming and paid seeding.

I have been reading into a little bit about joystream in the past and is a really cool sounding concept and could probably work if more people get interested in earning bitcoin by sharing bandwidth.  But as I know of right now, they are still in Beta and I think they aren't paying out in bitcoin just yet, and instead using testnet coins or something of the sort? Last time I check, they haven't really posted much info about it on their home page.
617  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you play loteries ,did you won something on: December 14, 2015, 10:25:23 PM
imho lottery is a pure gamble, and i love to play it.
blind outcome it make something different for me. once you won you feel in heaven. several times won it .

Maybe you're one of the luckiest person down to the earth. Only for the heavenly people can make lotteries winning several times in their whole lifetime.
I tried lotteries many times but never ended in winning it. Winning after many losses would be a great feeling but the losses in several attempts cannot be beared by me.

Maybe it should be noted that he should mention if by when he said "he won", that he actually meant that he won the big jackpot multiple times... or just "won" which is pretty easy to do in most lotteries.  Every now and then when I play IRL, there is a 3:1 chance of at least coming out even, and probably more around 7:1 to make an OK profit.  It still makes you feel really good when you win, but just not "heavenly" as winning the big time jackpot.
618  Other / Off-topic / Re: bitcoin affects life a lot on: December 14, 2015, 05:25:24 PM
bitcoin has afftected my life a lot not only positively but also negetively.thats because there was a time when i use to walk run and even jump like a monkey with friends and all the outdoor stuffs but after getting involve in this bitcoin thing i am spending most of my time either coding or learning new programming languages or earnin btcs for somewhere . should i lower spending my time in internet or not and is there anyone who is facing this type of addiction here

I mean, Bitcoin is still a pretty revolutionary and "new" concept that everyone is excited about.  I spend a lot of my time on here, and at times, takes over a good chunk of my time and maybe some sleep every now and then when things are getting exciting in the crypto space.  I don't think that it's a matter of a problem with Bitcoin exactly, but possibly your traits that were handed down to you genetically (I definitely have an addicted personality, so I can sympathize with you).

You need to be able to step back every now and then and set time aside where you will not go on the internet at all.  Think about it this way, sure you are probably embarking on something that will probably make you a lot of money when it's all said in done, and you will probably be very well off like a lot of people who are on here and accumulating as much bitcoin as they can when it's relatively cheap... but what is that worth if you distance your self from friends and loved ones?  What do you see your self doing and spending money on when the time comes from a very profitably bitcoin career? Hanging out with lots of people and having fun at parties or maybe spending time with your significant other on a glamorous trip across the world somewhere?  You can't do that if you lose everyone that you know and love, and if you are stuck in your room coding away for hours on end, or stuck here on the forum, then chances are you are not going to enjoy the life you were working so hard to prepare for in the future.
619  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What unit do you find more comfortable when measuring BTC values? on: December 14, 2015, 05:15:36 PM
I believe that any measurement that uses the metric system is the easiest way to discuss values in general when discussing an amount of bitcoin with someone else.  I believe that slang terms like "millie" or "satoshi" should just be left out when trying to have an honest conversation.  Everyone tends to know the metric system universally since it's used for every type of scientific measurement, and I think that it should be kept that way since bitcoin is trying to become the first global currency.

Plus I mean think about it... while everyone on here knows what a "satoshi" is, is there any real reason to be measuring your bitcoin value in satoshis? There is literally no value in a satoshi, and it's misleading to say you have 1K satoshi's on hand when that still is in a sense, nothing.
620  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why should people use Bitcoin? on: December 14, 2015, 05:07:25 PM
I think Bitcoin has many advantages over fiat or normal currencies such as the USD and Payment companies such as Paypal.

Advantages:

= Very low fee to send and receive cash - much cheaper than Paypal or Western Union or SWIFT or TT Payments internationally.
= Decentralized and not really controlled by major governments or finance companies
= Quite Anonymous - You do not have to give all your information to a company to send money.

Disadvantages:

= Takes around 10 minutes for the first confirmation - so the payment is not instant.
= Price Volatility - The price of Bitcoins is much more unstable than say USD. Hopefully this will be more stable
= Unknown - Still not accepted by major companies and there needs to be much more marketing to promote Bitcoin.

These are the things that i can think of for the reasons why Bitcoin may or may not be used.

Is there anything else that you think can be added to advantages or disadvantages?


So I'm pretty skeptical about what I underlined above, and totally disagree with what I put in bold.

Bitcoin isn't very decentralized, but it provides more decentralization than the central banks (obviously).  I think this problem is just going to get worse as time goes on and the future halvings cause more "at home" miners to stop mining because the cost of them doing it is just way too much than what they are getting out of it.  Doesn't mean that all miners will get out of mining, because a lot of people just enjoy it for a hobby, which there is nothing wrong with that... it's just a very expensive hobby IMO.  I just think the development of big time mining farms that will become the "Apple" or "Microsoft" of mining will be inevitable, because as the difficulty increases and payouts decrease, you have to be able to know how to run miners in the most profitable way in order to gain ROI.

Now with true anonymity, I don't believe that one bit... and it's becoming more clear that's the case every single day.  Like I stated above, people don't just mine to produce their own bitcoins to spend.  Bitcoin is very much pseudonymous, but the privacy and security that bitcoin gives users is declining every day.  If people want to get into bitcoin, they will probably have to go through a 3rd party exchange site, which requires them to link their bank accounts and/or credit cards, which links to them as an individual.  This is not at all anonymous, and people should start realizing this... that's honestly the biggest flaw I see in bitcoin right now
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