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621  Other / Meta / Re: Get Donator status by donating 10 BTC on: March 02, 2021, 11:41:17 PM
I doubt anyone would ever donate 10 BTC these days  Tongue

Elon Musk would, someone mention it to him.   Surely he appreciates the foundations of what he has come to appreciate.   I think it was the bug section or submit thread where the amounts were linked to gold rather then BTC exactly, which has also risen but is far more level over time as its supposed to be in theory.
I don't think Elon Musk is going to give theymos five million dollars.
622  Economy / Reputation / Re: TecShare - Farewell my friend. on: February 25, 2021, 01:23:09 AM
Understand that noob..
Say one more bad thing about TS in this thread and your profile will be wearing a link to it for all of eternity..

It's healthy for people to want to talk about it, and some people probably didn't like him.  But if you just want to bitch without reason, I agree to do it in another thread.

I'm interested in learning more about his incident, since I was the last person to talk with him here, and I know stress kills.  (Some people hope for that!)  I doubt my insignificance mattered much to him, but I find myself wondering if maybe he had just lost someone due to covid-19 and his body just said "that's enough for me".   Our brains cannot adjust for the amount of stress everyone is facing at the same time. 

Best thing we can do to preserve his memory Eddie, is to not feed the flames; ignore these idiots.  Smiley    And maybe let's push OG/Theymos to spend a little of the donated millions on stress reduction initiatives?   

We have no reason to believe it was sars-cov-2 related, TEC already had a history of high bp and around 3 years back he had a stroke.
So more likely than not it is linked to that.
We can't fully discard it too, but knowing him and the extent of care he took with such things I highly doubt he ever got infected. Let's just say I would be very surprised if it was the case, but we certainly can't discard it.
I think Vod was saying that TS had lost a loved one to Covid, and had died from the stress related to losing his loved one.
623  Economy / Reputation / Re: TecShare - Farewell my friend. on: February 25, 2021, 01:07:47 AM
certain comments and conducts from members in this thread have highlighted just how low some people can fall even in times of learning about the death of a human being
This really is too bad. If you don't have anything nice to say about a dead person, you shouldn't say anything at all. A dead person is unable to defend themselves.
624  Economy / Reputation / Re: TecShare - Farewell my friend. on: February 23, 2021, 08:37:15 PM
TS was a longtime member of the forum and over the years, he had a falling out with several forum members, including the administration. I hope that he knew that (with one exception) the forum members he didn’t always see eye to eye to were not mad at him personally (but rather had policy disagreements).

TS was a very principled person and was willing to stand up for what he thought was right, even if not expedient.

I hope that anyone who doesn’t have anything nice to say will keep it to themselves.

RIP.  
625  Other / Meta / Re: Ban Appeal - WSBC WallStreetBetsCoin - wallstreetbetscoin account on: February 19, 2021, 07:12:24 AM

lol, you are trying to protect the Hedge Funds on Wall Street by keeping Wall Streeet Bets banned Cheesy

lol /s

OP, you should wait the 30 days your ban will last, and take it as a lesson learned.
626  Economy / Securities / Re: 📈 NastyFans: The Bitcoin Enthusiast Fan Club (est. 2012) on: February 17, 2021, 03:02:29 AM
Anybody got any ideas what we should do with the more than half a million dollars we have sitting around?
If this is in BTC, it would be worth a lot more today.

I am curious to hear seat holders' thoughts on a substantial distribution of money we have in savings. I think it is probably fair to say that we are in a bubble right now, and prices for miners are not favorable. By my back-of-the-envelope calculations, we currently have about 0.000536BTC per seat in savings, and seats are not being purchased on the auction at that price, meaning the market is not supporting the value of NastyFans' liquid assets. 
627  Economy / Reputation / Re: Campaign to exclude Vod from DT. Please join me. on: February 17, 2021, 02:53:15 AM
To answer your question, I think someone shouldn't be able to get away with many "bad ratings". I don't think this should be a percentage, but rather a raw number, and that number should be very low. I would also view a "bad rating" that is being defended but may not necessarily agree with differently than a "bad rating" in which is not being defended. IMO the later should be viewed much more harshly, and should not be tolerated.

This is so absurdly specific, probably a projection based on something you've done.

A bad rating/flag is bad regardless if it's defended by the person who posted it, "supporters", sockpuppets, what have you. A good rating/flag is good regardless of who may try to discredit it.
The question of if a rating is good or bad is subjective. Different people view things different ways. Someone not defending a questionable rating is a sign they don't actually believe in the rating, but are rather leaving the rating up for personal reasons.
628  Economy / Reputation / Re: [Reference] Lending board spammers and scammers. on: February 17, 2021, 02:45:07 AM
This sounds a lot like opening a flag for having opinions. Not getting along with certain forum members does not make a person 'high risk'.

As for the loan request, he was clear as to what he was doing.

Yes, it's my opinion that he's high risk, and it's my opinion that he was clear about his request.  He posted in the lending board, not in the currency exchange board.  He asked to take a "'loan', if you can call it that," not a purchase with an optional full refund.  Which mean's he'll buy your bitcoin if the price goes up, but borrow it from you if the price goes down.  That's not a loan, that's a scam.

Feel free to disagree.
I think you could say the same thing about any loan request secured by collateral on the lending board. That is why lenders should protect themselves by securing collateral far above the value of the loan, and insisting on terms regarding automatic liquidation of collateral if market conditions go against the borrower.
629  Economy / Reputation / Re: A Single User With Multiple Accounts: Are There Reasons For Them Being Accepted? on: February 17, 2021, 02:40:03 AM
I would say it wouldn’t be unreasonable if someone who has a sales thread uses their alt account to ask a frequently asked question so long as the question is answered quickly so not to result in two bumps that seriously affect where the thread is located.
So:
LoyceMobile: Hey LoyceV, how much Forkcoin dust do I need to split my coins?
LoyceV: Thank you for your interest LoyceMobile, you only need to buy a very small amount.

That would violate this rule:
32. Posting multiple posts in a row (excluding bumps and reserved posts by the thread starter) is not allowed.
And it's just dumb Tongue If it's a FAQ, the answer could just be added to the OP.

That being said, I do sometimes post from my Mobile to notify my main account to check things.
You are correct, that is against the rules, but theymos does not enforce the rules that strictly. In your example, if the two posts were made 25 minutes apart, chances are the thread is not very far down on the 1st page, so it would not really be an extra 'bump'.

I am talking about a very small number of posts, not an ongoing conversation. Maybe 3 posts out of a thousand that someone makes. Is this something that is hurting anyone, or causing any real problems? The answer to this question is no. It might be a little tacky, but no one is getting hurt because of this.
630  Economy / Reputation / Re: ChipMixer directly enables Scammers, Drug Dealers, CP, Terrorists, Tax Evaders.. on: February 17, 2021, 02:30:08 AM
What FOMA did was wrong, but it was wrong because it involved deception. He did not steal from anyone, including CM, or otherwise hurt anyone. FOMA did provide benefits to the forum for being around by making many insightful posts -- I don't know if having him around was a net benefit, but I do think that is something open for discussion. CM on the other hand, helps criminals who have stolen money make it difficult for authorities to detect that this money is stolen -- in other words CM helps thiefs get away with stealing. As mentioned before I believe having CM around is a net benefit, but it is hypocritical to have zero tolerance for deception, and then turn around and be willing to look the other way when the company you are receiving payment from is profiting from illegal activity that harms people.
Like I said previously, people who want to defend the CM service alongside the community backlash against FOMA can probably make some argument based on the difference of granularity - probably something to do with the significance of their impact on the system/platform.
I don't think FOMA impacted the forum by enrolling his multiple alts in the CM campaign. If anything this resulted in more interesting posts that many people who are offended were able to read, when such posts are in short supply.
631  Economy / Reputation / Re: Campaign to exclude Vod from DT. Please join me. on: February 17, 2021, 02:26:40 AM
You don't agree with the feedback, yet you support his inclusion into DT thereby supporting his feedback...
This is something that should be discussed, though. The true threshold of unwarranted ratings that will make people start to question inclusions.

How many "bad ratings" should a single person get away with? What standards should the ratings uphold? Would be good to apply this to everyone in DefaultTrust, active or prospective, and see which members have a high percentage of false positives toward supposed scammers (or rather, false negatives). In reality, we should always redundantly tag accounts rather than relying on single points of failure. We should always move towards decentralization as opposed to against.
I think it should be clarified that there is a substantial difference between preemptively tagging someone and subsequently removing a tag after further consideration and/or additional evidence coming to light, and tagging someone wrongly and leaving the tag on the account.

In this case, I have not seen any posts from Vod even trying to defend his tag, and I have not seen anyone who supports Vod ask him publicly to reconsider his tag, or to try to defend his tag. Over the years, there have been other similar cases, in which Vod left a questionable tag, and he was never even pressured to defend his tag, his defenders simply said that Vod has left a lot of good ratings in the past, and that they are going to look past the questionable tag. There have also been other situations in which someone received a questionable tag from Vod, handled the situation poorly, and subsequently received additional tags after trolling and/or deciding to rage quit. The later is especially bad for the community because it effectively removes people from the community really for no reason.

To answer your question, I think someone shouldn't be able to get away with many "bad ratings". I don't think this should be a percentage, but rather a raw number, and that number should be very low. I would also view a "bad rating" that is being defended but may not necessarily agree with differently than a "bad rating" in which is not being defended. IMO the later should be viewed much more harshly, and should not be tolerated.
632  Economy / Reputation / Re: [Reference] Lending board spammers and scammers. on: February 16, 2021, 02:59:40 AM
User scammed-by-nitro has earned himself a mention in this thread, and a tag-&-flag to go along with it.  His behavior suggests he's high risk for trading, and he's intent discrediting those making the lending board safe.  He's been trolling the lending board for a couple of weeks now.  The rampage started shortly after posting this gem of a loan request:

Hello.

I am currently looking for a "loan" if you want to call it that way.
My collateral would be cash and I would only deal in person in Taipei/Taiwan, I am european citizen though.

I dont really want to hold on the the btc so after the loan period I would prefer getting the collateral cash back . The loan will be paid in btc + interest in btc (or cash) of course.

Hit me up if you are around.

Meeting can be in a bank so verify authenticity of the money (I dont speak mandarin though).
I am looking to buy/loan for round 3000us$ which would be 84000NT$. ( I could give whole amount in NT$ or hald NT half US$ ).

Before anybody says I could buy from exchange, no I cant as I dont have resident status here so I cant open an exchange account. Also like I said I would prefer the cash collateral back without having to deal with btc price movements.

Essentially asking for someone to sell him BTC, with the option of returning it if the price goes down.  He practically says so himself by putting the word loan in quotes, adding "if you want to call it that way."  People tried to explain the flaws in his request, but narcissism can cause blindness.

Since then he's taken to trolling people who try to keep the Lending board safe from opportunistic wannabe scammers such as himself, a few examples:

Lil cvnt condoras already gave a fake neg feedback and I bet the other lil bitch Vod will be next.

If you dont like it just dont read it.

"Note that this isn't an official forum rule, it's just a rule that most lenders will follow."

You people posting this thread should actually read it before using it as an argument.

PS: Vod is a fking clown.

Did you see that you actually wanted to give him a loan on this occasion?

Please stop trolling and wasting other peoples time here. U did the same to me, this is childish and annoying.


Flag link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2633
This sounds a lot like opening a flag for having opinions. Not getting along with certain forum members does not make a person 'high risk'.

As for the loan request, he was clear as to what he was doing.
633  Economy / Reputation / Re: A Single User With Multiple Accounts: Are There Reasons For Them Being Accepted? on: February 16, 2021, 12:13:26 AM
I don’t think forum rules around multiposting applies to someone posting from two accounts
IIRC there have been cases in the past of this happening - in particular, relating to bumps if memory serves.

In general, I don't think it's necessary to have a conversation with yourself. Any depth that you want to encompass in your post should simply be confined to a single account or better yet a single post - additional dialogue can be edited to the user's posts so I don't see how it can be constructive.
I wouldn’t be surprised if someone has been banned for bump spam involving multiple accounts. I also think a few people have been banned for running bump spam services.

I would say it wouldn’t be unreasonable if someone who has a sales thread uses their alt account to ask a frequently asked question so long as the question is answered quickly so not to result in two bumps that seriously affect where the thread is located.
634  Economy / Reputation / Re: A Single User With Multiple Accounts: Are There Reasons For Them Being Accepted? on: February 15, 2021, 11:58:06 PM
What alt accounts should not do is make posts in the same thread, giving the impression that there's a genuine conversation happening--that borders on spam, if you ask me, and I've caught people doing that in the past.  And frankly, as long as the person with multiple accounts is making reasonably good posts across the board, who cares?
Given that the forum treats alternate accounts as the same cryptographic identity and that the forum rules are applied to mentioned identities (e.g. bans, consecutive posts), I see no reason why talking to yourself (between two accounts) would not constitute as spam. Rather than write a single post that is edited with the content or rather than replying to other users, the individual is effectively inflating their posts and creating meaningless replies.

Of course, once you start getting into multi-user discussions, it's a more complicated issue: do we have 51% discussion attacks where the alts control the conversation, yet are not considered spammers or rule-breakers because there is enough of an external flow of replies? What's the threshold here?
My understanding is that if one person is banned then all their accounts are banned, even if some of their accounts don’t have a ban applied. I don’t think forum rules around multiposting applies to someone posting from two accounts, so it would be okay to use an alt to ask a question for example. If talking to yourself became excessive, they might get banned for low effort posts with a paid signature. Also, if excessive, they might get banned for bump spam if the conversation took place in a sales thread, but I think the threshold would be far above zero for this to happen.
635  Economy / Reputation / Re: Campaign to exclude Vod from DT. Please join me. on: February 15, 2021, 11:51:37 PM
Vod is one of the most active members on the forum, has done amazing work to find and expose scammers, is considered one of the most honest and reputable members here.  He also has the support of some of the most honest and reputable members here.
I reviewed Vod’s trust page and was able to find exactly four positive ratings involving any kind of financial transactions. I am not sure what makes you believe that Vod is “honest”. There are a small number of times in which Vod has apologized for his actions and promised to stay out of scam busting after he received harsh criticism from high ranking forum members, but I cannot recall many times in which Vod had admitted his mistakes on his own. There might have been one or two instances in which Vod removed a negative after the person received a few counter ratings, but I would see this as Vod feeling like his hand was being forced rather than correcting his mistake because he realized he was wrong on his own.
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Is he prone to mistakes?  Obviously, we all are.  We're all human.

Is this situation one of those mistakes?  In my opinion, yes.  I don't know why he left you that feedback, and I don't agree with it.

Am I going to exclude Vod from my trust list over this indiscretion?  Fuck no!

It is strange that someone is okay with a mistake being outstanding and continuing to support someone without trying to pressure them into correcting their mistake. You are in effect saying that you are okay with this person being wronged.

Vod is very petty and it is stances like this that enables the pettiness.
636  Economy / Reputation / Re: ChipMixer directly enables Scammers, Drug Dealers, CP, Terrorists, Tax Evaders.. on: February 15, 2021, 02:05:49 AM
Liberals tend to be willing to bend their principals when it comes to them earning money.

Take Disney for example.
What definition of "liberal" is this? I would probably say that most companies, once they reach a certain size, concentrate more on the bottom line than any idealized values. The whole goal is to unify labor/skills to earn capital after all.
I said above that I should have used the term "leftist" instead of liberal. In my Disney example, they were giving up potential profits in order to exert political pressure, but their stated concerns were not genuine because they are willing to look the other way when it comes to concentration camps run by the CCP.

The OP is a tangent to this post. I think the OP's concern is that so many people were comparing FOMA to a criminal who has caused very real harm to people for enrolling three alt accounts in the CM signature campaign, while CM itself helps actual real criminals evade detection and launder their money.

What FOMA did was wrong, but it was wrong because it involved deception. He did not steal from anyone, including CM, or otherwise hurt anyone. FOMA did provide benefits to the forum for being around by making many insightful posts -- I don't know if having him around was a net benefit, but I do think that is something open for discussion. CM on the other hand, helps criminals who have stolen money make it difficult for authorities to detect that this money is stolen -- in other words CM helps thiefs get away with stealing. As mentioned before I believe having CM around is a net benefit, but it is hypocritical to have zero tolerance for deception, and then turn around and be willing to look the other way when the company you are receiving payment from is profiting from illegal activity that harms people.
637  Economy / Reputation / Re: ChipMixer directly enables Scammers, Drug Dealers, CP, Terrorists, Tax Evaders.. on: February 14, 2021, 07:53:42 PM
Liberals

Liberals confuse me.. Especially liberals in and around crypto, and of all things CM which is kinda the pinnacle of uh, the furthest right wing thing in/about crypto period..

I suppose this thread is my attempt to understand them better..


I may have misspoke when I described these people as liberals. It would probably be more accurate to describe them as leftists.

I would say that many leftists believe that rules should be imposed on everyone else and that the rules should not apply to them.

If services such as CM were to disappear, it would be nearly impossible to cash out the proceeds from illegitimate activities in any substantial amount. This is a clear cost of having CM around. Many leftists are also opposed to allowing people to have privacy, which is the benefit to having CM around, so other than money, I don’t see any reason why certain people support CM.
638  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Statement of President Joe Biden on Safely Reopening Schools on: February 14, 2021, 06:49:58 PM
So far, I think the one thing Biden deserves to be criticized the most for is claiming that 'A majority of schools would be open within his first 100 days' back in December and now back tracking to 50% of schools having 'some in person learning at least 1 day a week'.

That's a huge backtrack, there was obviously some miscalculation somewhere.
The miscalculation was the teachers' unions. They dont want their members having to actually work or be held accountable.
639  Economy / Reputation / Re: A Single User With Multiple Accounts: Are There Reasons For Them Being Accepted? on: February 14, 2021, 06:47:41 PM
I dont think there should be rules or regulations for the sole purpose of having a rule or regulation. Some rules are intended to help prevent spam like posts, however if someone can make many posts without quality suffering, there shouldn't be a problem.

The argument that a campaign would lose out on free advertising from excess posts someone makes falls on its face. There should be no expectation that someone will receive something in exchange for nothing, and someone may not provide a service if they knew they were not going to receive compensation for said service.

IMO the best policy is to make everything transparent, and to make sure everyone involved is fully aware of the circumstances.
640  Economy / Reputation / Re: ChipMixer directly enables Scammers, Drug Dealers, CP, Terrorists, Tax Evaders.. on: February 14, 2021, 06:39:59 PM
Tell me.. Have none of you recently advocated for or supported any form of regulation whatsoever??
Iirc we even have a self proclaimed socialist suddenly turned anarchist, lol..

Let’s continue..
Liberals tend to be willing to bend their principals when it comes to them earning money.

Take Disney for example. They are willing to consider a boycott of GA because they are considering passing a law that would make it more difficult/restrictive to get an abortion, however they have no concerns with filming in China, near the location in which hundreds of thousands, if not millions of minorities are being held in concentration camps, and where there are forced abortions.

There are probably some people advertising for CM that is harming CM's reputation due to their personally stated stances on privacy related issues, and/or who have supported people with certain privacy related issues.

CM does enable a lot of bad people such as criminals, however they also help other people maintain their privacy (assuming they are not some kind of honeypot). It is a matter of the total cost/benefit of such a service existing.


Even Ross Ulbricht of Silk Road fame didn't spend much time on btct and most of his activities were on other sites.
I dont think you know this. He created at least one sockpuppet account asking for technical help, and he may have created more for various reasons, maybe even for the purpose of advertising/sockpuppeting SR to get it off the ground before talking about SR was banned.
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