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701  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 25, 2014, 12:36:07 PM
Do you want to know why we bounced at $340 on Apr 13, why we bounced at $420 on May 5, and thus why this 'trendline' has held thus far? Both bounce events occured immediately when either China or the Chinese exchanges released some counter-FUD article leading us to believe some major change had occured in China and everything was going to be ok there.


I've been told countless of times that news are secondary to the market movements, or does it only apply to the dumps?
I think Chinese events are more significant than just 'news' - they imply half of Bitcoin's trading power suddenly moving in and out, panicking and thinking that now they have to stop trading bitcoin, or now they can trade bitcoin again - there is a lot of raw force behind it.
702  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 25, 2014, 12:24:59 PM
Do you want to know why we bounced at $340 on Apr 13, why we bounced at $420 on May 5, and thus why this 'trendline' has held thus far? Both bounce events occured immediately when either China or the Chinese exchanges released some counter-FUD article leading us to believe some major change had occured in China and everything was going to be ok there.
703  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 25, 2014, 12:19:06 PM
OK let me rephrase this:  The largest populated country in the world with 20% of the entire world's population, the largest financial shadow currency trading enterprise in the world, and half of the world's bitcoin exchanges being potentially taken out of the game completely by their government is much more important than 0.22% of bitcoins being sold at an auction.
I won't disagree. Thing is, we have already known for quite a while now that "4th party" funding channels for exchanges were going to be taken out. Or is there anything new?
Well it never actually happened,  and when we were up at $660, a new PR came out from the central bankers of a plan they had just developed to efficiently identify and track the accounts being used and to shut them down, and prevent new ones.
704  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 25, 2014, 12:14:41 PM
OK let me rephrase this:  The largest populated country in the world with 20% of the entire world's population, the largest financial shadow currency trading enterprise in the world where wealthy investors swap trillions of dollars to gamble on a regular basis, and half of the world's bitcoin exchanges being potentially taken out of the game completely by their government is much more important than 0.22% of bitcoins being sold at an auction. I tire of people constantly dismissing China as 'FUD' without comprehending the full extent of what it actually is, and it is NOT over until the exchanges are actually closed.
705  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 25, 2014, 12:08:50 PM
My point is that the Chinese probably have about 10x more influence over Bitcoin than this auction as they still trump the entire 'west' in volume on EACH of their exchanges.
How real is volume that is generated by 0% fees? We have to account for that.

Personally, I've only observed Bitstamp leading and Huobi following it reluctantly. I don't know why some perceive the opposite.
I'm guessing enough of it is real to be significant - perhaps 20-50%. Even at just 20% it is still equal to the west, which makes it highly significant. Also, there are frequently several 500-1000BTC walls moving around the order book - those can't be faked, meaning that there are in fact players with millions of dollars (worth of btc or yuan) playing on these exchanges, which leads to belief in at least some legitimacy in the volume.
706  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 25, 2014, 12:02:34 PM
I can't believe there are still people here who don't think this is because of the auction.
"Just normal market behaviour".

I believe it is because of the auction. You need to stop thinking people are rational, they are stupid! This is why auction has so much influence on price.

Here's the really stupid thing.  The SR auction is about BITCOINS, and bitcoins only.  Yet altcoins like Litecoin and other alts are being forced down by the whales too, causing people to panic for their beloved alts as well.  Even Dodgecoin is being sold off, which has absolutely nothing to do with the SR auction.
I don't think this decrease has anything to do with the auction. I think it is actually about the Chinese news about a continued Chinese crackdown, which was released about the same time. This would account for the alt decrease as well.

Bad news that just happens to coincide with other bad news on the exact same day?  That's so strange, but yet so natural!  Fabricated FUD never follows that pattern. /s
My point is that the Chinese probably have about 10x more influence over Bitcoin than this auction as they still trump the entire 'west' in volume on EACH of their exchanges.
707  Economy / Speculation / Re: 2K sell walls on: June 25, 2014, 11:59:58 AM
looks like it was dumped at bid
708  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 25, 2014, 11:57:08 AM
I can't believe there are still people here who don't think this is because of the auction.
"Just normal market behaviour".

I believe it is because of the auction. You need to stop thinking people are rational, they are stupid! This is why auction has so much influence on price.

Here's the really stupid thing.  The SR auction is about BITCOINS, and bitcoins only.  Yet altcoins like Litecoin and other alts are being forced down by the whales too, causing people to panic for their beloved alts as well.  Even Dodgecoin is being sold off, which has absolutely nothing to do with the SR auction.
I don't think this decrease has anything to do with the auction. I think it is actually about the Chinese news about a continued Chinese crackdown, which was released about the same time. This would account for the alt decrease as well.
709  Economy / Speculation / Re: 2K sell walls on: June 25, 2014, 11:54:49 AM
uh, the wall is removed...

I think it's stupid to make an entire thread over a wall unless the wall is at least 5KBTC  like that 8K wall in February.
710  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 25, 2014, 11:50:32 AM
Total sum of active swaps 26,134,755.35 USD

Don't those maniacs on Bitfinex ever decrease their margin positions, or do they just wait until they get liquidated? It's like a ticking time bomb.
For the past 6 months we've been in a sideways/down trend yet the swaps on bitfinex just keep growing and growing. There are now 500% as many swaps loaned out as there were at the PEAK of the rally at $1200.  It's quite fishy actually. I wonder if bitfinex is operating as a fractional reserve now?
Not that I think it unlikely for any of the current exchanges to be a bunch of crooks, but what would be their incentive in pumping up this stat by introducing a fractional reserve? Fake money to pump up the price with?

I'm willing to believe it's real and there are just lots of crazy people who wait for the imminent bubble messiah and bet the farm. After all, the "bubble watch" on r/bitcoinmarkets said so. In any case, it certainly is a whole lot of money if we just consider that it's half of what MtGox (supposedly, anyway) had at its peak.
Also to increase the trading volume and collect more fees.
711  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 25, 2014, 11:42:39 AM
Total sum of active swaps 26,134,755.35 USD

Don't those maniacs on Bitfinex ever decrease their margin positions, or do they just wait until they get liquidated? It's like a ticking time bomb.
For the past 6 months we've been in a sideways/down trend yet the swaps on bitfinex just keep growing and growing. There are now 500% as many swaps loaned out as there were at the PEAK of the rally at $1200.  It's quite fishy actually. I wonder if bitfinex is operating as a fractional reserve now?
712  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 25, 2014, 11:23:22 AM
Luckily there is this 6K high pile of bids on huobi.
713  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 25, 2014, 11:19:19 AM
The bear trap is worse than I expected.  Feel sorry for everyone selling right now

me too, but on the other hand, isn't it quite obvious this is a bear trap?

I mean, you have to be pretty stupid to sell right now.


No, it's not. Bear traps are typically short lived events on high volume, not a slow, low volume, never before seen breaking of a trend where every major indicator reverses.
714  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 25, 2014, 08:15:21 AM

This is exactly what the bulls sounds like right now, still playing their music about how bitcoin will imminently hit $100,000 and we should all take out loans to buy it right now.
715  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 25, 2014, 04:31:08 AM
1w MACD's histogram is not green anymore. Not that it matters much.
TA is extremely difficult at this moment the way trends are breaking and all kinds of indicators are conflicting. Investing in Bitcoin right now is basically an act of faith. "I believe that Bitcoin is the future of money and will eventually rise even if it's not rising right now". I'm finding myself looking to take a long term investment with money that I'm willing to lose and closing out the rest of my 'trading position'.
716  Economy / Speculation / Re: USD Swap demand on Bitfinex has never been so high on: June 25, 2014, 04:13:58 AM
It's bearish. The amount of money loaned out to take longs is now at an all time high meaning prices have been supported on fake money. Now the supply of real money to lend out has dried up which results in the supply/demand you mentioned. This is going to cause interest rates to rise. The higher interest rates will force people to dump as it is no longer profitable to hold with the way the trend currently is. This could end up turning into a cascade of stop losses and margin calls as 40,000BTC purchased with loaned money are dumped.

uh, what?

it means that people want to borrow 11 million USD, (to buy Bitcoins, what else?), but they can only get 1.1 million

isn't that extremely bullish?!
No. Loan demand is not bullish because in order to fill the loan, someone else has to front the USD, which means that those USD cannot be used to buy bitcoins. It all sums out to zero. The only thing that really causes growth is when new fiat is wired in, which actually increases the amount of USD which can be used to bid on Bitcoins at a given time. Actually I would prefer no loans were given out at all and that all USD were directly used to obtain real bitcoins. The margin state is actually more bearish than the non margin state. Here are some more reasons why:

1. The margin positions only exist on paper in the user's account. The only thing he can possibly do with his position is dump it to take the shiny green profit figure shown next it. The user cannot withdraw those bitcoins or participate in the bitcoin ecosystem.
2. The user is subject to an interest rate which means it is most likely intended only to do a short term trade, and if the trend is not rising fast enough to be worth interest rates then he will dump.
3. The above factors reveal the psychology of a margin user which is just to do short term trading, dump, and make profits rather than being a long term investor in Bitcoin.
4. The rising interest rates entice bitcoin holders to dump their bitcoins to obtain USD to fulfill the loan demand.
5. The margin user can be liquidated and forced to dump if the price drops too low.
6. If people with real USD decide to leave the exchange after the margin contract period is up, this will also force liquidate the margin users.

FYI actually the loans can also be used to buy Litecoin and Darkcoin (duh) but the points above are stronger / more relevant.
717  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 25, 2014, 03:54:53 AM
I am impressed with the last 2 hours. There is still some fighting chance left if there is a good recovery over the next 8 hours.
718  Economy / Speculation / Re: Mike Hearn: "Progress on the bitcoin protocol has ground to a halt" on: June 25, 2014, 03:41:08 AM
ACH, Email, and http are all going to become obsolete and replaced with something else. It seems most people now prefer to communicate with something besides email, such as social networking and apps. Businesses send you email messages which just tell you to 'check the message center in your account on our website' because email is too insecure to transmit the message itself.
719  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 25, 2014, 03:20:45 AM
My conclusion from my observation of the charts on the different exchanges is that we never in fact left the state where the Chinese are the market leaders. The Chinese are still our overlords, and they might lead us all the way back down as their government continues to crack down and shut down recharge codes, etc. Wall street will not be coming in to save us in July as I had hoped for because for some reason the regulations with Lawsky are being delayed and there has been no progress.
720  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 24, 2014, 10:21:21 PM
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