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7721  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Thomas Jefferson on the "general welfare" clause... on: December 02, 2011, 04:24:20 PM
"They are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose. To consider the latter phrase not as describing the purpose of the first, but as giving a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which might be for the good of the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and, as they would be the sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please... Certainly no such universal power was meant to be given them. It was intended to lace them up straitly within the enumerated powers and those without which, as means, these powers could not be carried into effect." --Thomas Jefferson: Opinion on National Bank, 1791. ME 3:148

So, no, it doesn't mean the federal government can do whatever it wants.

http://www.dailypaul.com/103339/thomas-jefferson-clarifies-to-provide-for-thegeneral-welfare

Gee thanks for the history lesson. Why then do you think this was written. We already know why you don't think it was written. Maybe you think it was written so Martians won't come here to eat our gubbermint cheese?
7722  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Mother of 15 Kids: “Somebody needs to pay for all my children." on: December 02, 2011, 04:09:43 PM
I'm glad she no longer has custody of the children. I'm glad people don't want her to have any more children.

Suddenly seeing why the state might have its place in child protection?

Nope. The state isn't the only one capable of providing such services. People provide services and they do so because they desire to do so. People obviously desire children to be care for: It's human instinct. They will be cared for regardless of a tyrannical state.

Even Thomas Jefferson realized that this is not so when he proposed the General Welfare clause “to lay taxes for the purpose of providing for the general welfare .”
7723  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Governments/regulators may eventually actually *like* Bitcoin. - coin blacklists on: December 02, 2011, 03:55:51 PM
Whitelisting solves all the problems of anonymity while securing privacy. This is how its done:

Why not have every nation grab a few hundred thousand bitcoin and register each satoshi in their stash? They could then issue bills backed with their registered satoshis. All of us with non-registered satoshis would be out in the cold, right? Well the bitcoin network still needs us to operate miners to keep it secure. Miners could have their bitcoins registered for other currencies at a "fair" exchange rate as they are needed to expand the economy. After several years, the hoarders will begin to be able to cash in their stash at higher rates. Unregistered bitcoins can still be bartered as commodities until they are sold to another country. Counterfeiting would require demurrage to keep bills updated. It's likely that a system like this would stabilize bitcoin prices to the basket of currencies.
7724  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Mt Gox Soon . . . on: December 02, 2011, 03:40:30 PM
I don't like the new design. It is a lot better than before (when there was no design at all) but still... it should look more like bitcoinica. Now it looks like some kind of japanese cartoon.

Buy/sell order page is awful, you have to switch between buy and sell page. The trade data price chart is useless. For instance if you have price swings between $2.5-$3.1 you should draw a chart in that range not $0-$3.1! The same problem with tradehill, useless trade data also. The advanced chart on the top has the volume drawn with a line! Where have they seen that?!

It is obvious they have never seen a real trading platform before, so don't wait for the options and margin trading on mtgox (they probably don't even know how options trading works anyway). Their idea of security is limiting costumers' withdrawal sizes, lol. If I deposit $50.000 I expect be able to withdraw MY money whenever I want! BTC or USD, it doesn't matter it si my money.

Mtgox is still bad. I try to use other exchanges as much as possible.

lol at trader woes. Using Bitcoin for trading is childish because it's not in the spirit for which Bitcoin was developed. Go speculate oil so that transportation costs skyrocket, or trade corn so poor children starve. This attitude towards Bitcoin is pathetic. I don't mind if MtGox makes a few bucks this way to help fund their development, but hopefully this trading phase will end soon and they will address the real strengths of Bitcoin.
7725  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Operation Bitcoinstorm! on: December 02, 2011, 02:11:44 PM
What Bitcoin needs for broad adoption is more services and merchants accepting them.

This has been said so many times that it's almost a universal truth by now.  Smiley

I'm not sure if this is true though. I don't see bitcoin competing with traditional payment methods or replacing them 1:1. It has too few advantages to the average merchant and average consumer.

Where I see bitcoin succeeding is in killer apps that were not possible before bitcoin, eg. distributed contracts.


Bitcoin transactions are more profitable for vendors, maybe only a few percent but that's a lot these days.

KILLER. APPS. MOAR.
7726  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Open source threshold on: December 02, 2011, 02:06:49 PM
Bitcoin programmers expecting to get rich on their work will be disappointed. Eventually yes, when big business hires them, they have business saavy themselves, or a partner. For now, they will have to settle for simply being first and the honor that bestows.
7727  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Governments/regulators may eventually actually *like* Bitcoin. - coin blacklists on: December 02, 2011, 01:53:17 PM
Every individual who supports blacklisting of any money totally misses the point of money i think.
I for one would stop using it and switch to an alternative currency.

Agreed. We use serial numbers to track money and anti-counterfeiting to ensure it is genuine. These are to help law enforcement, not to stop its use.
7728  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Governments/regulators may eventually actually *like* Bitcoin. - coin blacklists on: December 02, 2011, 12:11:13 PM
I'm not sure everybody understands the nature of money-laundering or other shady businesses. It's not the same as blood-money because it's mixed (sometimes heavily) with "clean" money. You can't penalize someone that does legitimate business with someone that also secretly does illegal business. That's the job of law enforcement to determine.
7729  Other / Politics & Society / Operation Pawn Shop on: December 02, 2011, 11:59:48 AM
While continuing my One Satoshi Project https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52295.0, I'm thinking of designing a ledger and receipt book for selling Bitcoin. Pawn shops can accept a stereo, tv, or other item in exchange for Bitcoin to send to people. They could do it for free with a pawn. Technically no actual money would change hands at the sender's end. They can use btc.to addresses, https://bit-pay.com/, or other payment simplifying systems. I might encourage pawn shops to use http://btcnearme.com/ or https://www.bitcoinlocator.com/ to network. Proof of ID would still be needed unless the recipient had the address which could be sent via sms or email. The redeeming end could charge a small fee for converting Bitcoin to local currency. I would think that pawn shops might go for this model. I'm not doing this to make money (but am not ruling it out), but to raise awareness. Any thoughts?
7730  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Governments/regulators may eventually actually *like* Bitcoin. - coin blacklists on: December 02, 2011, 10:40:42 AM
Governments are more concerned about collecting taxes than fighting crime. I think Bitcoin itself will reduce most common crimes. Whitelisting is preferable to blacklisting when it comes to tracking transactions for taxation purposes. By only allowing merchants to accept whitelisted addresses, then law enforcement will have a better trail to detect wrongful transactions. Eventually, everyone will only accept whitelisted (or original block) addresses. It won't reduce your privacy, except to law enforcement.
7731  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Novel Idea: Unlosable "Binary" Physical Bitcoins on: December 02, 2011, 10:16:25 AM
I don't see an issue with trust. I would rather see more anti-forgery ideas than concern about adding an appeal to authority as a trust issue. Face it, when Bitcoin becomes quite valuable, all trust will be lost in a physical Bitcoin that is originated by a third-party. I like the spirit of what you are doing by creating aesthetically pleasing off-line Bitcoins, but think your POS idea is more sound for secure Bitcoin transactions.

Keep in mind, the project is to promote Bitcoin, promote a proof of concept, and provide a neat-looking example of a good honest coin... but not to insure against things I couldn't possibly reasonably control.  Fortunately, to my knowledge, there have been no occurrences of this kind to report, and to the best of my knowledge, all coins in the wild are either legitimate and funded, or (at worst) are waiting to be funded when enough time has elapsed to ensure they've cleared customs of their buyer.

This scheme seems secure enough.

* bold added.
7732  Economy / Speculation / Re: Next metastable trading range on: December 02, 2011, 09:52:28 AM

It might take awhile, but yeah.

I suspect it will parallel the growth of internet bandwidth traffic.

7733  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Think Different on: December 02, 2011, 09:35:50 AM
That Levi ad is deceptive, because it features attractive models rather than real working people. Nerds, geeks, square pegs, and other names are given to people that are perceived to be incompetent because they are unattractive. Cronie-capitalism has become accepted in much of the West. It's just like in "Death of a Salesman" that now we have a generation raised on who-you-know mentality rather than merit.

To address the OP: Apple stopped being about innovation with the Mac. They are all about packaging, aesthetics, and simplicity. I'm not slamming Apple for their success, but they tend to appeal to people more interested in style than innovation.

it's just waiting for a big opportunity. people are saving them, not spending them on much of anything. it will pick up when Steve Jobs integrates it into iOS. then it will be worth millions
I'm waiting for Android users to have POS systems that allow easy and secure transactions. Steve Jobs will adapt it as *his* idea after it shows how profitable it is. He'll then add an "I" or "Mac" to his bitcoin app and market it to the trendy suburban boutiques.

*I was not aware of Job's retirement or condition at the time.
7734  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gettin' Paper - Redeemable Private Keys now in Mt. Gox Mobile 3.1 on: December 02, 2011, 01:05:49 AM
+1
7735  Economy / Goods / Re: Ron Paul Bitcoin Cheque on: December 02, 2011, 12:58:13 AM
I actually believe that these bills/coins that appeal to fringe groups may bring at least notoriety to Bitcoin. Commemorative FED obituary bills, Andrew Jackson (who was anti-FED) might be an appropriate prez, and the religion angle is always provocative.
7736  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wire transfers? on: December 01, 2011, 11:33:46 AM
I was driving down the road and I saw a "Western Union" sign and thought...why do we still have those places around?

Bitcoin could easily replace Western Union all over the world

$350 billion this year ... just to developing countries.

http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/NEWS/0,,contentMDK:23058070~pagePK:64257043~piPK:437376~theSitePK:4607,00.html


It's all about the BRICS.

OFWs and mail-order brides. I still think pawn shops around the world should network with bitcoin. Pawn a stereo to send cash to a family member.
7737  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I think I now hate Republicans more than any other political affiliation. on: December 01, 2011, 10:58:34 AM
There's a saying around here: "If you're not a socialist when you're young you're an idiot. And if you're not a conservative when you're old you're a failure!".

Please define Conservative

Replace socialist and conservative with left- and right wing.
I'm taking the easy way out. It's a saying. Don't read too much into it.

There's another saying. "Don't trust anyone over 30." I still believe that.
7738  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to Help Bitcoin take over a Local Area on: December 01, 2011, 10:47:08 AM
First and foremost we need smartphone apps that can import private keys. Online services are fine for us geeks, but Joe Blow at the hardware store ain't gonna set up an account at Magic the Gathering Online Exchange.
7739  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I think I now hate Republicans more than any other political affiliation. on: December 01, 2011, 10:40:01 AM
There's a saying around here: "If you're not a socialist when you're young you're an idiot. And if you're not a conservative when you're old you're a failure!".

Please define Conservative
7740  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Today is High Five day, Celebrating block 1 5 5 5 5 5 on: December 01, 2011, 10:35:08 AM
That reminds me, my car needs an oil change.
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