It's a compulsion, the addict will find ways to get his rush. If he leaves one wallet accessible he could still get tempted to use that. And once those funds unlock, he'll have to go through the entire self-exclude again (which I think is a waste since that money could be use for something else). There's only so much an individual can do on his own to fight this disease.
If the addict doesn't want to get help - then yes, he would find ways to gamble. However, If the addict wants to stop - then in this environment where self-exclusion is not something that is feasible to achieve so easily with Crypto Gambling sites - then suggestions like the ones in this thread could help the addict to prevent himself from going back to gamble. There is no dispute that self-exclusion works, it simply does - and the goal of this thread is to manifest that concept. So your conclusion is wrong, however you want to look at it. |
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Thanks Pooya, the Redeem Script is: 04a4d8e85db1752102aa0e1eb0fbebf524c91d5b8498d945122a5e8929884d5da462a031b5861e8e65ac |
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Idk why but no one has mentioned bitcoin mixers. What about to use them for that purpose? Well, I know minus is that you won't get any interest (I highly doubt you'll receive one in any case) and you have to pay some percent fees but finally you achieve what you wanted and also get coins in a very privacy way.
You can send bitcoins to any mixer's address and then choose the adress you want to receive, then set time delay (any minutes/seconds), for example cryptomixer allows you max 96h delay and then receive your bitcoins, it absolutely suits what you want, something like time lock feature.
Thanks a lot. I've just checked CryptoMixer - looks like Amazing way to achieve what I was looking for in this thread. Thanks so much. Just a few questions for you: 1) How safe is CryptoMixer? 2) Are there other sites like CryptoMixer? |
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It's probanly more helpful to give us the output you were trying to spend rather than the redeem script (but I'm not entirely sure how timelovked transactions work, I assume the data is in the last output though).
I click on New --> Transaction. Then I enter the Redeem Script under "Address, WIF key or Redeem Script" and then I enter: Output:
Address = bc1qmjq5zmnhtvt2j7tk4yxt3g75s6sdmnskw2fjr6 Amount = 0.00049 Input:
Transaction ID = ac37df3cc5d0001a646a33c0d86e50222f8de4dea7d17f8b1a40aeb1e2425544 N = 0 Script = I enter the very same Redeem Script that I used under "Address, WIF key or Redeem Script" in the page. Amount = 0.0005 I click Submit. Then I get: One or more input or output is invalid
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I've tested a feature called Time Lock in Coinb.in - and I cannot release the Bitcoin from there.
I have followed the instructions to lock the Bitcoin.
I received a redeem script from Coinb.in but whenever I go to Coinb.in and then click on New --> Transaction - and then cilck on Load to load the redeem script - the input is not loaded automatically, so I enter it manually and enter the output manually, and when I click on Submit I get this error:
One or more input or output is invalid
Is it safe to provide you the Redeem Script here so you could test it as well and see for yourself it's not working?
Any help would be appreciated.
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I could see locking your own funds as a good way to stop ones urge to gamble i've tried it once but in another way where i'd cash out my funds right away because putting it back in through my local exchange takes days for me since my options are limited. This isn't for everyone since there are other ways for them to get back in but if its effective it can be an additional layer for the other solutions they have.
Finally it's good to see a sensible comment in this thread. You're right that any layer, additional or main one - to stop gambling - is a vital layer. Merited +1 by me. |
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And what's the use of this if we have cold storage /desktop wallets tyat we could access anytime? This diesn't require any kind of service at all since hardware wallets are a better and safer option for you. I think this is a better method since you aren't relying on a third party to hold your funds and I think this is a much bettet option as aside from having a full access for you it also gives you a peace of mind that no one also has the ability to touch it if your wallet is stored offline.
Please, can you avoid discussing if this option is useful or not and just discuss HOW to use this option. I'd appreciate any answers to my question above (post #35). |
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From reading all these posts it looks like there isn't any one side who wins here.
What don't you guys reach a compromise in order to settle this?
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what?who are you to lock the bitcoin just because he is addicted?that is against the rightsof everyone ,i assume that you are not a gambler because if yes?for sure you will never say this kind of post
Why do you have a problem with someone wanting to lock his funds for the sake of not gambling with them? And how could it be against any possible "rights"? Do you have the right to tell someone else what to do with his funds? If not - then save your opinion for yourself. (I just hope you won't have a problem understanding what I'm telling you here because the way you expressed yourself wasn't really impressive). |
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I need your help. I'm trying to lock some Bitcoin but without any success. I got a redeem script, I'm trying to load it, but unfortunately it doesn't load the inputs automatically. I'm trying to follow with the very detailed instructions provided in post #23 but I still get an error when I submit the transaction: One or more input or output is invalid
Can anyone help? Can I post the Redeem script here for you to try it?
EDIT:
Pooya sorted it out:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5207231.0 |
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Is anybody having an issue with submitting a withdrawal request ? I'm pressing the withdraw button and a blank white page gets prompted but withdrawal is not getting initiated.
Can you upload a screenshot? |
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Roobet should allow yahoo62278 to withdraw his won fund.
They allowed him to withdraw his funds, they just haven't credited yahoo with the correct amount. If you bet $300 on odds of 36x and the bet is accepted then I agree - this should be paid, whetehr you like it or not. Not paying the $9k to yahoo would only cause bad reputation moving forward - I'd also advise Roobet to do the right thing here. |
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Besides, you can always exclude yourself from one gambling site and go to next one, self exclusion won't work. Which is why the suggestion given in this thread is putting you in control of your funds and not being controlled by website A or website B. You lock your funds, not your gambling account. And you do so because those sites cannot really self-exclude yourself with Bitcoin. PS any website that is allowing you to break self-exclusion as you've shown can be subject to legal lawsuits in certain jurisdictions. |
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Even if the Bitcoin is locked there is still no guaranty that he will not play, he can use his other coins to play, he can ask for loans or he will use his savings or his salary to buy Bitcoin, a chronic gambler even in the absence of fund will find a way to gamble, remember in an offline casinos there are loan shark that will readily give you loan so you can continuously play.
Anyone who keeps on posting the same repeated stuff for no reason - please read post #30 in this thread, especially the bold text - please read it before posting to save other readers time and hassles from reading the same repeated stuff.
Please don't post before reading the bold text in post #30 because otherwise you're causing hassles to other readers who want to read this thread without having to repeatedly go through the same thing over and over and over again for no reason. |
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I guess for the self-exclusion thing to be effective, all gambling centers/websites need to have access to gamblers private information? There is potential risk to privacy in this case. Gamstop exists in the UK and only applies to UK sites, but why would Bitcoin sites be required to do that? It's firstly impossible and secondly not feasible. The solution is putting the control in the gambler's hands, not the casino - lock your funds away, yourself - this way you won't bet with those funds. As easy as it sounds. The better alternative could be to gradually decrease the number of times a gambler gambles in a week, till he stops gambling. Or probably have special applications that prevent you from opening anything related to gambling on the internet.
You could try Gamblock but the software has lots of flaws, I wouldn't use it as a solution if you ask me. Initially, I thought about OP's idea as something useless but pretty much harmless on its own. Now I changed my mind. In fact, I no longer see it as innocuous as it appears at first sight. How come? The problem is, if an addicted gambler who seriously wants to quit his addiction tries to implement this approach (like locking his funds, etc), he is not actually solving his problem for real and for good. Instead, he is only aggravating it because he comes to think after a while he is cured, and that gives him false confidence as well as unfounded self-assurance. Then he inevitably relapses, and with a vengeance at that, ending up in an even worse situation than before
Seriously, what a load of crap, haha .... thanks for making me laugh though ... ok, so from your point of view it seems that locking funds will cause only damage to the gambler, it's harmful and dangerous, haha ... okay, that's honestly a good joke, I initially thought you have at least some common sense, now I'm pretty sure you don't. |
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Some of the posters here have a truly vile approach towards the OP for absolutely no reason, and for some reason they all type with broken English ... is it coincidence? I truly feel sorry for the way you were educated, and the way you're looking at life is not gonna turn you into better people in the society. I truly feel bad for you.
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You really can't stop your gambling activities by locking your funds for the definite time that you wanted to stop gambling activities. You should bring the change from yourself let your mind accept that we should stop gambling for obvious reasons.Just locking our cryptos funds may not be enough.
No one said that locking your funds is the only thing that needs to be done in order to resolve a gambling addiction. HOWEVER, If you look at this thread: https://forum.stake.com/topic/26609-this-site-should-have-a-self-exclusion-option/This user lost money despite his will to stop. Imagine he would have done the following: 1) Withdraw his Bitcoin from Stake.com which is done instantly as they process instant withdrawals 2) Lock his Bitcoin for 1/2/3/4/5 weeks whatever.... Would he feel better with himself knowing he stopped his activity, and his funds are locked for a certain period of time? By doing so he would have, practically, arrested his addiction - if he has no other funds to use on immediate basis - in some way this solution will protect him and his funds, he will be protected from further losses. For some reason members in this forum seem to think that I'm implying that simply locking your funds away is a solution for a gambling addiction - I've never said that.
I'm saying this this practical step can help you in times of need - just like this user from the forum in Stake.com - he wanted at that moment to stop, with this option he would be able to stop in a matter of seconds and if it would be easier, technically speaking, to lock your Bitcoin away that would be even better. That's all. Now regarding stopping completely - this is only the first step. No addict in the world would say that being passive and locking your funds away is the way to overcome gambling addiction - someone has to be extremely dumb to say something like this - and yes, of course you need to take proactive steps, consultation, discussion with others, reading other books/journals about it, meetings, online books, online meetings, online forums, whatever you feel comfortable with - of course these are necessary steps to be taken. BUT You, jrrsparkles, implied that locking your funds is unhelpful, as if it's 100% unhelpful, useless and pointless - and that is I'm afraid - simply untrue, wrong, a biased thing to say that is simply plainly and utterly wrong - I don't care how many times I'm saying it in this thread - I feel like I have to repeat myself because either you guys as readers are seriously extremely dumb and have no reading comprehension whatsoever or you guys have other motives or interests - so I'm kindly asking stop it already, this serves no purpose of doing that. So by all means just stop. |
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Why do you think that you are the only one on this world who knows addicted person?
The last time I checked, I know a few "addicted people" but I wouldn't regard myself as someone " who knows addicted person" - that doesn't sound too well in English. Now without bearing any further grudge towards you or the others - 1) I suggest you work on your English a little bit better. Please do. 2) This thread is intended for those who want to stop gambling, I hadn't planned on having discussions WHY locking your funds is vital, I was planning on discussing HOW to do it, or how to find better tools to self-exclude yourself from Crypto gambling sites. That is my problem, and that is a problem silent readers face and can't speak up loud because people like you think we are "monkeys" - well, I'd rather be a monkey, than having to express myself with a broken language like you do. |
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Reading up that thread which the guy somewhat seeking off for that feature.He do blame off the site for him to lose another 500 bucks?
I dont see for any sites that do have this kind of arrangement but you can actually ask them to do but its not really ethical to block out some users account
with funds in it just not to let him proceed or to play?
In the past with KYC websites you could click on 1 button to self-exclude, then they would manually process the withdrawal for you on your behalf to your saved payment details (e.g. card or bank account etc.) BetBit.com has this self-exclusion policy too, with a click of a button you can close your account, immediately - I have no idea how they handle the client's funds, I assume the client will send an email and will provide a BTC address to get his funds back. |
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It's not going to work unless you have someone very close to you who will take care of all your funds. It has to be closest family member, someone who will understand problem and someone who spends most time with you, unfortunately, most will see you as "something very bad" and "something very bad" should take care of their problems by themselves. Most people don't understand addiction - they blame person instead trying to help them.
What is worth for topic is that just locking funds for certain period won't do much because eventually your will unlock funds and then you will find yourself in situation to deposit unlocked funds and gamble with them - rinse and repeat. Besides, you can always exchange cash to bitcoin and gamble with bitcoin or just gamble with cash - gambling addiction doesn't have currency and bitcoin is irrelevant in this whole story.
Keep in mind that you can't completely cure addiction.
Are you speaking on behalf of problem gamblers or on behalf of yourself? Seriously how come this forum is full of people who love to spread nonsense?!?! This user asked to be self-excluded: https://forum.stake.com/topic/26609-this-site-should-have-a-self-exclusion-option/He doesn't have that option. Threads like this offer a feasible solution, since there isn't any self-exclusion policy for Bitcoin websites. What part of it is difficult for you to comprehend or digest? Why is it so difficult to understand it? |
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