I would not be against asking for compensation, that has not been discussed. But your implications that we are unaware of issues that we are discussing, and that the rest of the group buy is just sitting on our hands and accepting a good screwing is just fallacy. If you would like to start a new thread directed at Yifu compensating customers in some manner (like bfl chip credits  or whatevere) I would sign your petition to Bitsyncom. |
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Think this through and be realistic. You are asking everyone else to take a huge loss, and delay their boards much much further than they would at present.
So, since you seem to have a contact with Avalon that noone else has. What is the delivery time at present? I never said that I did, but neither do you so when would gen 2 chips arrive? You dont know, neither do I. But if you are just going to change the subject when I point out issues in the logic why are we continuing to discuss this? |
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20$ per board over thousands of boards....and this is not something you just fix, you redesign. How long would it take to change the board and then source new parts (potentially) since you do not know if the current ones will work. Would you need new regulators?
What i've read, there's no new boards needed, pins are same, just some components replacements.And if you have ordered thousands of boards, you need to look what pays you back the most, gen 1 coming in another month. or gen 2 coming in two months ( avalon numbers) If you would have the refund meanwhile, it would give you the option at least. With difficulty going up 40-50% ever 11 days.. I just do not want to see them deliver as nothing happened, without any compensation. A refund, could mean with an option to buy when in stock, at a later stage to show good faith. But if you want to create problems, instead of suggesting solutions, be my guest. I'm sure its a lot of help to someone. I am not creating problems, I am acknowledging them. Are you consulting an engineer for the items I listed? I am. And the simplest solution at this point is to just wait on the chips we already ordered, it is more likely they will ship them than the likelihood of avalon producing in a timely fashion the Gen 2 chips. Not to mention their potential shipping times. You may have only paid for the chips and would get that money back, but other people would get gen 2 chips then have to purchase different parts and wait on a redesign. Think this through and be realistic. You are asking everyone else to take a huge loss, and delay their boards much much further than they would at present. |
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20$ per board over thousands of boards....and this is not something you just fix, you redesign. How long would it take to change the board and then source new parts (potentially) since you do not know if the current ones will work. Would you need new regulators?
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And what happens to the people that bought parts already and are sitting on non refundable parts? Should they have their chips refunded (most of the people in the group buy) to satisfy a few users in the group buy? Lets be realistic here.
If Avalon is right about gen2 coming out in october. Those past groupbuys should get priority (for example those with refund). Old hardware designs shall support gen 2 chips. Would that then not be best? get refund now, wait for gen 2 when you might actually get some of your investment back. And then they only offer gen 2 based on in stock ordering so we will know that the delivery time will be correct. How do you know those chips would function on the old boards that were already bought and paid for by the group buy members? Do they have the same pin out? Voltage? Watts? Amps? Grounds? There are so many factors to consider that could make the entire investment a waste in your scenario that I would rather just wait. |
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And what happens to the people that bought parts already and are sitting on non refundable parts? Should they have their chips refunded (most of the people in the group buy) to satisfy a few users in the group buy? Lets be realistic here.
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If we were to all request refunds, do you think Yifu would give them? Or would it cause a bank run? Would he just disappear and pocket all the money he got so far? That is the general method of operation with btc businesses when the going gets tough. I would rather have the miners than chance any of that.
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Cardcomm, even if you are right, it just wont happen.
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Did I just learnt that MP
He's a lumberjack and he's okay...he spells all night and he works all day.... I am just trying to provide a little substance for this otherwise boring thread. (srsly what's up with that?) Those accusations are not mine, look over at our goony friends at buttcoin. Oh, buttcoin still lives? Neat. You all must be bored  Well, most are really stupid, some are kinda bored, and I just work here. Holy crap, all this time I just thought she was a raging bitch. Turns out she is following a guide, my apologies. Source: How to appear to be a raging bitch.Hone your humor. A hipster is known for their strong sense of irony and sarcasm. When asked a question, refuse to answer directly; instead, obfuscate, ask a question in return, or just be plain sarcastic. |
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Trying to isolate it now.
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One of the nodes is submitting a bad block I guess.
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The previous version is fine until he gets the new one fixed. Or at least its synced up now.
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Tested out refunds it works awesome!
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That should help with keeping track of tx in the wallet.
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*snipped arrogance*  *snipped arrogance*  |
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