That's nice to see one of the ME Islamic countries to change a bit. But nothing outstanding there, Dubai's sultan is known for being progressionist, recalling his wise words about oil "the stone age didn't end due to shortage of stones". Would be more weird if it come from Saudi Arabia, where women can't even drive cars.
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Yeah because atheists are proven to have a much higher IQ There are no studies about it. Yet, you can be theist either by knowing and unknowing your religion, most people falls under the second group. For the first group, if out of so much incongruence and incoherences present on all holy books you still believe it, then you've a logical handicap. Taken IQ measures the logical and mathematical abilities, I believe that atheists have a higher IQ score than "knowing theists". EDIT: Forgot to add honesty to equation. I believe many religious leaders are atheists, but dishonest enough to take advantage of it. Believers are easy to exploit, sheep waiting to be sheared. So some "claim to be believers" may actually be atheists inside.
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Its your opinion So you are free to say what you want. for me Islam the best.
Thanx alot
It's NOT an opinion, it's a set of facts that points such way. I didn't made up any of the Islamic books. You sound like those followers of that idiot who already predict the end of world 3 or 4 times... they stick to it for unknown reasons. There is Quran i do not know what Islamic books you talking about. Anyway i have done here i gave you my opinions. Thanx Well, now you know about the Hadeeth... It is not a good thing to oppose a religion even if it is Islam, Christianity, Hinduism etc... So stupidity must be left alone because they are too many of them? Let's get all back to VII Century to not offend the idiots?
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What golden rule are you referring? Any of them. The golden rule is the law and the rest is mere interpretation. That "golden rule" has a huge flaw! I wouldn't risk say that to a masochist... you probably won't like to be treated the way he likes to be treated. The corrected version should be around; "Do to others the equivalent in goodness you wish from them.", but you have to adapt what is goodness or not to others in a per case basis.
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Look. Let's say that you were hiking in the mountains when you came upon a hidden valley that nobody had ever visited before. And let's say that all over the floor of the hidden valley were nuggets of gold as big as your fist. What would you do? Would you grab a nugget or two and then set up a legal mining claim as fast as you could? Or would you start digging and panning, just hoping you could get a few specks of gold in your pan, when all around you there were the nuggets? There's so many Muslims around that it is very easy to hate Islam. I mean, why go looking for some remote, hidden tribe in the jungles of South America so that you can hate their religion? Islam is easy to hate. And why people doesn't hate Hindus? Or Buddhists? They are pretty much as many as Muslims...
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And here we go again with the attempt to make Islam somewhat right because Christianity did this or that. Let's put this straight: Christianity did NOTHING. Europeans did. Europeans are extremely organized and when aim at some goal go for it in industrial scale. Islam supports slavery, Christianity doesn't. However in only 3 centuries Europeans got way more slaves than the Muslims in their 14 centuries of slavery. Islam calls for the extermination of Jews, however Europeans just in 5 years of nazism killed more Jews than all of the Muslim attempts to terminate them combined.
Show me some place where Christianity, in it's doctrine, does not support slavery? Hell, I'll go look up some scriptures. Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ. -Ephesians 6:5 Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward. - 1 Peter 2:18 Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God. -Colossians 3:22 There are many more, and I deliberately omitted any in the "old" testament, as Christians tend to try to wiggle out from under that , even if the Gospels and Apostles did say that not one letter of the law would pass away. Servants and Slaves are different things. A servant was the equivalent to an employee.
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I think many people feels intimidated by atheists because they have no clue what atheists stand for. Atheism is not accepting God(s) or at least the ones described on the bullshi... Sorry... Holy books. Absolutely nothing else. I'm a "pro-life" atheist for an instance, I'm also more liberal than communist... And other atheists may be the exact opposite.
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Not incoherent. The O.T. focus is simply from the standpoint of a theocracy ruled by God. That theocracy dissolved when Jesus came and did His work. Why? Because now He has taken up rulership of the whole world, through His Spirit for now, and personally when He returns. When you have two opposite orders in the very same doctrine it is an incoherence, as you can either do one or other. About the Walking Dead thing of Christianity... give me a break! That part is just funny
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Its your opinion So you are free to say what you want. for me Islam the best.
Thanx alot
It's NOT an opinion, it's a set of facts that points such way. I didn't made up any of the Islamic books. You sound like those followers of that idiot who already predict the end of world 3 or 4 times... they stick to it for unknown reasons.
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Finally! A thread about NOTHING. Let's discuss NOTHING then! Pick quotes of Atheists doesn't quite add up to nothing, as those quotes are usually not linked to religion or widely or even accept between Atheists. Let me quote the Atheist Bible/Quran/Torah (Yes, we have a 3-in-one book):
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Those words are just amazing, aren't they? They sum pretty much everything G.O.D. told humanity so far.
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I don't care for his excuses. If he married 80 yo women or 15 or 9, because political arrangements or sex perversions. Why do you Muslims care so much on justify Mo when he was clearly mocking you guys up - and still is?
And for the note, I know Islam way better than most Muslims... too bad you guys stick so much to Quran and/or to listen to the cherry-picked Imam quotes that you lose focus. A quick read of the Hadeeth, the "biographies" of Muhammad, can explain pretty much all surahs and where it came from. Usually and most, it was by convenience of Mo.
"Study one religion, and you'll be hooked for life. Study two religions, and you're done in an hour"
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CoinCollect:
Muhammad had 12 wives in total, 9 of which still alive at his death and all of which married to him. Inform yourself better about your religion!
When it was "revealed" the maximum should be 4 wives, after a small riot amongst Mo's wives* (again, it goes around Mo's personal life) he was "exempt" from such rule.
About the 4 witnesses, you already have the Bukhari source and the reason why 4... if 4 came it would be 5, if 5, 6 and so on...
* When Mo married his 9th wife he spent too much time with her, leaving the other 8 upset.
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CoinCollect, CoinCollect... how to explain this to you?... Under Sharia, not rational even if majority muslim countries - like Malaysia, Indonesia and so, you will need 4 male witnesses to prove rape. Otherwise the woman will be confessing to had extra-marital sex and things will turn ugly... to her.
The 4 witnesses thing came after Aisha, Muhammad's baby-bride, when she was about 13 got lost and was picked by a 15 yo boy and spent the night with him. 3 guys saw it and start talking about the horned prophet, so he came up with 4 witnesses... I wonder if 100 guys saw Aisha with the boy, maybe it would take 101 witnesses or so. Just cross the Hadeeth with Quran... it turns so clear how much of "as we go" Islam was made of. And there's nothing "holy" to it, Allah knows nothing Muhammad himself didn't knew. And what to say about the 4 wives limit, when Muhammad had 9 and Allah conveniently made an exception to him. So he kept his 9, the rest only 4...
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Why is God so inconsistent? God works in everyone's life. You only need to worry about your own relationship with God and when you do, you are open to help others to have a personal and life changing relationship with God. What a big load of absolutely nothing! Did you read it at Orkut or some bathroom door?
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Isn't my role to stand for Christianity; but it has a chronological line. Like Islam also says to leave unbelievers alone and to kill them, however the Quran isn't write in a chronological order, so we don't know which of them comes first. If the crossroad is just one and I told you to go to one side then I corrected myself and told you to turn to the other, you must follow the most up-to-date instruction. You pay taxes? You're a slave! Nobody can be totally free...
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Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
The OT is not obsolete according to Jesus
No... it's just incoherent, but at least we've a chronological line. If I tell you to turn right then tell you to turn left, you will follow the last instruction given.
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1 Timothy: 8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine The New Testament prevails over the Old. And to note, most of the early Christians were slaves. In History, the first slave market in Christian lands was at Silves, Portugal, during the reconquest in 1189. It was allowed as the terms of surrender that Muslims could keep some of their traditions including that market. The Christian king, Sancho I, however closed the market shortly after because "it was incompatible with Christianity".
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And here we go again with the attempt to make Islam somewhat right because Christianity did this or that. Let's put this straight: Christianity did NOTHING. Europeans did. Europeans are extremely organized and when aim at some goal go for it in industrial scale. Islam supports slavery, Christianity doesn't. However in only 3 centuries Europeans got way more slaves than the Muslims in their 14 centuries of slavery. Islam calls for the extermination of Jews, however Europeans just in 5 years of nazism killed more Jews than all of the Muslim attempts to terminate them combined.
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I can't talk about Freedom with someone who doesn't know what Freedom is. Do you think porn, gays or gambling are freedom? Then you know nothing of what it is! Freedom is put your choices in your hands, make you responsible for your actions and decisions. That's what it is about. Now if adults want to gamble, do porn or are gays... their choices, their call. What is it to you anyway? Do you own shares of someone else's life? eg: I chose to not drink alcohol, not because some schizophrenic in the VII Century told to, but because I want to.
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